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Arresting Someone for Violating a Probation Condition That Doesn't Exist …
would violate the Fourth Amendment, holds the Eleventh Circuit.
A short excerpt from the long Gervin v. Florence, decided yesterday by the Eleventh Circuit (opinion by Judge Robin Rosenbaum, joined by Judges Nancy Abudu and Charles Wilson):
DeShawn Gervin has not been a model citizen. But he did do at least one thing right. As Gervin's sole condition of probation, a Georgia court kicked him out of its jurisdiction and banned him from returning. And Gervin followed that instruction. He moved to North Carolina.
But he didn't stay out of trouble there, either. North Carolina imprisoned Gervin for breaking and entering, larceny, and robbery and kidnapping.
Soon after, a probation officer with the Georgia Department of Community Supervision learned of Gervin's North Carolina transgressions. And she sought a warrant for his arrest in Georgia. In support, she swore that Gervin had "failed to report" and "absconded from probation supervision" in violation of his probation conditions. Another probation officer under her supervision then petitioned to revoke Gervin's probation based on his failure to report.
After the probation officer obtained the warrant, police officers in North Carolina arrested Gervin on the Georgia warrant. Then they extradited Gervin to Georgia. And Gervin spent 104 days in jail waiting for the court to resolve his probation-revocation charges.
But as we've recounted, the Georgia court's only probation condition for Gervin required him never to reenter its judicial circuit. And that's the one thing he had not done. So however else Gervin had broken the law, he had not violated his Georgia probation.
For that reason, the Georgia court concluded that the State failed to show that Gervin had violated his probation. So it ordered Gervin's release.
After his release, Gervin sued the two probation officers under 42 U.S.C. § 1983. He alleged violations of his Fourth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendment rights. The probation officers moved for summary judgment, and the district court denied their motion.
We now affirm the district court's ruling. When we view the evidence in the light most favorable to Gervin as the non-moving party, the probation officers recklessly swore that Gervin had violated his Georgia probation, even though it was clear that he had not. That violated Gervin's Fourth and Fourteenth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable seizures because the officers' misconduct caused his arrest and prolonged confinement. And because every reasonable state official would have understood that the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments prohibit recklessly making false statements and material omissions to obtain an arrest warrant and prosecute a probation violation, the probation officers are not entitled to qualified immunity….
There's more, oh so much more, back to the Statute of Marlborough (1267). Zack Greenamyre (Mitchell Shapiro Greenamyre & Funt LLP) argued on behalf of plaintiffs, and Matthew Cavedon argued on behalf of amicus Cato Institute.
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Yikes! I hope he wins his lawsuit! Getting past
unqualified immunity seems like the biggest hurdle, and he's cleared that one.Hello, lawyers. Home addresses, please. We are sicking this career criminal on your homes and families. We are sick of your utter failure to control crime. There are 2 billion crimes a year. You have 2 million prosecutions. Crime is risk free thanks to the pro-criminal lawyer profession. When victims fight back, they are put through due process. They arrest the victim. Lawyers should be targeted for crime. We should get rid of this garbage, highly toxic profession, 10 times more toxic than organized crime. Organized crime does not crush our economic growth, for example.
All low crime jurisdictions around the world, and within our country have one factor in common. Some are rich, some poor, some religious, some secular, some authoritarian, some democratic, some white, some black, some underlawyered, some overlawyered. All have public self help, the sole factor in all low crime jurisdictions. Grab the handbag of a tourist in Egypt, a very poor Muslim country. 50 people will chase you, beat you, and hand you over to their worthless police. They are really poor. Poverty is not a factor in crime rates.
All law abiding citizens should be armed, and trained in weapons in high school. Use the time now spent on transgender bullying and propaganda. All should be fined $100 if they fail to fire on a violent criminal. Kill a violent repeat offender, the government should pay you $10000, because you have added $100 million to the future economy by each of their passing, including real estate values enhanced by their absences. All repeat violent, and non-violent career criminals should be executed at the earliest age tasteful like 16. We know who they are at age 5, because of their frequency of violent crime at that age. Kindergarten students identified their future criminality by identifying the kid they avoid in class, with great accuracy, in contrast to the worthless lawyer and judge professions. This professon is loosing their clients on the public to keep their make work jobs. Replace expensive prisons with cheap and repeated lashings, up to twice. Adolescents are superior functioning adults, including in morality. The lawyer wants to make 25 the age of full responsibility. Yet, adolescents have a lower crime rate than young adults from their superior morality. Deterioration begins at 19, from a fat ass to a rising crime rate.
The idea is that the deceased have a low recidivism rate. Crime cannot be deterred, as by the high death rate or by the hideous health consequences of drug abuse. It cannot be rehabilitated. It cannot be restituted. Retribution is an immature, expensive waste of money, time, effort. It is a lawyer scam to generate worthless make work jobs for the lawyer profession. It can be prevented by the death of the criminal. The lawyer is imposing self serving and rent seeking quackery on billions of crime victims. Get rid of the lawyer profession to get rid of crime.
Oh, bullshit. Yes, this is a bad guy who did bad things. So do your damn jobs and lock hm up for the bad things he actually did. There is no injustice to holding police accountable when they are the ones doing bad things.
Let's turn it around. What's your home address? How would you feel if we started siccing these crocked cops on you so they could arrest you on trumped up charges and falsified arrest warrants?
Oops - should have been "crooked cops". Though some of them are probably crocked as well.
Shut the fuck up, you absolute dork.
SC is the latest troll account. I think it's a repeat customer...but not exactly sure who he/she was in a prior life. But the repeated posts are so silly, and so shrill and moronic, that they add absolutely nothing. I expect it will be one of my rare mutes. Not for horrible language, or anything incredibly offensive. But just because we all end up 10 IQ points dumber after each post.
I reiterate: Supremacy Claus has posted on the Internet for decades under that handle, and also under his real name David Behar. He is more of a lunatic than a troll.
Don't get your point. Legally isn't everything. Yes, he should not be detained for what was not part of the bargain. But he is in no way reformed, should not be out on parole, is a societal nuisance
His problem and the state's problem are one problem: This person should not be out on parole
No, the point is exactly that, in order to lock somebody up, the state must actually have a legal basis for doing so. Not "this person should not be out on parole.", when a court had already put him out on parole, and he had complied with the terms of that parole.
And, doubly, the state should not be locking people up on the basis of lying to a court about the terms of that parole.
So, yes, based on his conduct he shouldn't be out on parole, but that doesn't mean that the state, having stupidly let him out anyway, is entitled to lock him up without actually following the law.
Gonna pick a nit here. He was on Probation, not Parole. In GA they're two separate things, even if one agency (Dept of Community Supervision) supervises both. The sentence sheet is strange, and I have to wonder if it's an oversight that they didn't include all standard Probation conditions.
Quite possibly, but such were the terms, and he was only legally bound to the terms they did impose, not the terms they'd intended to.
Oh, absolutely. The sentence is the sentence. The officers should have looked at the sentence sheet.
From the decision:
" Later, when describing her actions before seeking the war-
rant, Florence testified that she was “sure [she] looked at [Gervin’s]
sentence.” In fact, department policy required her to do so before
seeking an arrest warrant. Florence also acknowledged knowing
that the sentencing judge made a practice of reading probation
conditions from the bench. Yet Florence did not obtain or attempt
to obtain the sentencing-hearing transcript, though she had re-
quested sentencing transcripts in the past for other people."
...
"The Superior Court held Gervin’s revocation hearing on Au-
gust 7, 2019. In the meantime, Gervin spent 104 days in a Georgia
jail waiting for that hearing.
At the hearing, Milton testified. She noted that Gervin had neither reported to his probation officer since January 2012 nor informed his probation officer of his change in residence. On cross examination, Gervin’s counsel asked Milton to examine Gervin’s
sentence disposition. When Milton did so, she conceded that
Gervin’s probation included only one condition: to not return to
the South Georgia Judicial Circuit during its term.
The state court did not revoke Gervin’s probation. It concluded that the State had failed to meet its burden to show that Gervin violated his probation terms. So the jail released Gervin that day. His probation term ended in January 2021."
The hearing seems to be the first point at which she'd bothered doing what departmental policy had demanded she do up front.
Although they are pretty standard conditions, the sheet makes explicit that it's a box that must be checked, not something automatically imposed as condition of probation. (I've seen in the past forms in other places where they list all the nearly-automatic things and then the judge crosses off ones that don't apply.)
Also, as the woman testified at her deposition, the judge recites the probation terms when he imposes them, and he did not recite any in this case.
But Brett, your own argument is against you. Here you are not a member of the state or the law or relative of the parolee and arguing as if you were a citizen. And that is my point exactly: both parole officers and parolee are answerable to US
Have somebody read your comment and see if it doesn't make you blush for how illogical it is.
He. Wasn't. On. Parole.
Alice More: Arrest that Man!
More: On what law?
Margaret More: He’s bad!
More: There is no law against that.
William Roper: There is! God’s law!
More: Then let God arrest him.
Alice: While you talk, he’a gone!
More: And go he should, if he was the Devil himself, until he broke the law.
William: So now you’d give the Devil benefit of law?
More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
William: I’d cur down every law in England to do that!
More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ‘round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country’s planted thick with laws from coast to coast - Man’s laws, not God’s - and if you cut them down - and you’re just the man to do it - do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law for my own safety’s sake.
— Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
Legally actually is everything in court. Also, he wasn't out on parole, so you're very confused.
Weirdest sentence I've ever seen. No conditions other than banishment from the sentencing judicial circuit. I have to wonder if it was an oversight.
Maybe, you'd have to see how often that particular court does this. But oversight or not, such were the terms of his probation, and he didn't violate them. And the probation officer, under a legal obligation to review the terms of his probation, testified falsely concerning them.
It would be completely unsurprising if many standard probation conditions are mutually exclusive with banishment from the state. For example, any sort of physical checkin with a probation officer in Georgia is hard to accomplish from NC.
So GA deciding to drop standard conditions for in-state probation in favor of “get the heck outta here” might not be an oversight at all. It would be worth looking at other cases where banishment is imposed to see what the usual practice is.
There’s no reason to think it was an oversight. The judge appears to have decided to impose his own idea of justice at sentencing rather than follow the standard protocol. Maybe this was appropriate for this individual, maybe not. But since the people elected him judge and the state didn’t appeal the terms, that’s the sentence and that’s that.
Rural Alaska famously had blue ticket sentences, where the court would dismiss someone's case if they bought a steamboat ticket out of state. I don't believe it was formalized like this, though. I could see a judge articulating something about how the defendant has developed community ties that are adverse to his rehabilitation and that moving will help him, but I'm guessing the logic is still "I don't want to see your face in this town again."
Seems kind of lazy on Georgia's part. They should punish their own criminals, not expel them to commit crimes elsewhere.
I wonder if North Carolina could give him a stiffer sentence, with probation on condition that he remain in Georgia.
I didn't think this was still being done, but banishment from the jurisdiction used to be a fairly common practice, sometimes as a condition of probation and sometimes as the initial sentence for the crime. I believe Mr. and Mrs. Loving, of Loving v. Virginia fame, were given the option of agreeing to leave Virginia and not return for 25 years.
It also used to be a fairly common practice that young offenders were given the choice of joining the Army or jail. I haven't heard of that happening in a long time either, though.
Last year in Western Pennsylvania a teenager was arrested. He was on Delayed Entry to the Marine Corps. The Magistrate gave him the option of two years in jail or keeping out of trouble and reporting to the Marines on time. If he reported to the Marines, his record would be cleared upon his graduation from Boot Camp. The reason that I know this is the the Senior Judge of our County is a friend and he was consulted by the Magistrate before the Magistrate made the offer. The teen did graduate Boot Camp.
Huh. The Army stopped accepting recruits under those sorts of conditions decades ago. Surprised the Marines still do. The Army was getting too many gang loyalists trying to extend the franchise, often successfully, and more generally had recidivism problems.
First, it was an individual judge, not the state of Georgia. Second, he wasn't banished from Georgia; he was banished from one particular district in Georgia.
Si the whole state’s not lazy! Pheeew!
I'm actually surprised we don't see more of this. Collectively speaking it's a disaster-- just like constantly buying homeless people bus tickets to be somebody else's problem-- but selfishly it makes a lot of sense to do it. What we really need to do is build more prisons. We don't have enough capacity for the actual predator population, so lots of people who should be in cages are instead victimizing the people.
Now here's an interesting law school exam question: According to the opinion, the probation condition was that he "never . . . reenter" the judicial circuit. Well, he did reenter it, when he was brought back in restraints to face charges that he had violated probation. It wasn't a voluntary return on his part, but he was in fact found within the judicial circuit.
Question: Is the condition strict liability -- the mere fact that he's there, voluntarily or not -- violates the language of the probation order? There are strict liability crimes, and violating probation may be one of them. Or, does his lack of consent to being returned to the jurisdiction protect him from having his probation revoked?
And before anyone tells me I'm being stupid for asking the question, that was the essential fact pattern of a law school exam I once took. In the exam, the United States extradited a foreign national to the US to face a criminal trial, he was acquitted, and he was then indicted for being present in the United States without a visa. The correct answer, believe it or not, was that it was a strict liability offense so he could be prosecuted for his presence here, involuntary though it was.
An obvious injustice, unless he had the opportunity to promptly leave, and was just being dilatory. But I think you can distinguish in that a foreign national has no right to be in the US to begin with, while the guy in question here is a citizen, ordinarily entitled to be present anywhere in the US, including Georgia.
So you can't make his presence in the state a strict liability offense.
But if his probation condition is that he not reenter Georgia, then he has no more right to be in Georgia than the foreign national does to be in the United States. Citizens generally have the right to be present anywhere in the United States, but that doesn't mean you can't lose that right as a consequence of a criminal act. In fact, criminals who are incarcerated have no right to be *anywhere* in the United States except the prison to which they have been assigned; if they escape, it will not be a legal defense that citizens generally have the right to be anywhere they wish.
Remember that my position is that the alien was subject to an injustice if not dilatory. I don't think strict liability is ever appropriate for things the government itself has compelled. EVER. It's like the government punching you, and then charging you with battery for striking its fist with your face.
But if you wanted to distinguish, the fact that the alien never had any right in the first place, while the citizen had a right which was legally extinguished by the very government that had caused the violation would provide you a basis.
And I don't understand why that distinction makes any real difference. At the time of the offense, neither the foreign national nor the citizen at the right to be where they were.
What you're not understanding is that I don't think there IS any real difference, that strict liability is inappropriate in both cases.
I'm suggesting an excuse you could use if you wanted to hold that it applied in the one case, and not the other.
He is no more guilty of re-entering the district than a married woman who is forcibly raped is guilty of adultery. There are legal systems in the world that would find her guilty and execute her for it. But not our system. Although the Supreme Court said in Lawrence that our legal system continues to permit states to make adultery illegal, guilt for any offense requires intent. And forcible compulsion is a complete defense.
"necessity is its own law"
"The correct answer, believe it or not, was that it was a strict liability offense so he could be prosecuted for his presence here, involuntary though it was."
Why wasn't the correct answer that it's not a crime to be present in the US without a visa?
As I understand it, strict liability crimes are general intent crimes, which is why a woman who is raped by a 17-year old wouldn't be guilty of strict liability statutory rape.
Because on a law school exam, you go with the facts as they are given, whether those facts are true in the real world or not. It’s an exercise in one’s ability to apply the law to a given fact pattern, not to pass on whether the facts are plausible.
Also, if two 12-year-olds have consensual sex, are they both guilty of statutory rape?
It is in fact a crime to be present in the US without a visa if you've been deported. And it's held to be a strict liability offense, too.
But not in the Seventh Circuit, which has sensibly held that involuntary return is NOT a strict liability offense, and so involuntary return is a defense.
No. You are overreading something that involves terms of art that you don't really understand. Involuntary return is a defense everywhere. What the Seventh Circuit previously had said was that conviction required that the govt prove you knew you hadn't been authorized by the AG to return, and then in the case cited in the link you provided overturned that, saying that the govt only needed to prove that you weren't authorized. The term "strict liability" generally means that the government doesn't have to prove that you knew what you were doing was illegal. But it still has to prove that you voluntarily undertook the act. (I can't speak to what aWoNI's professor wanted as an answer on the exam, but what she describes as the correct answer would not be correct IRL.)
I find that hard to believe. Presence in the US without a visa isn't a crime, so can't be indicted.
Volenti non fit injuria
Which brings me back to "sovereign immunity is weird". This should be a simple wrongful imprisonment suit against the state of Georgia.
Sovereign immunity is a natural abuse of "No man should be the judge in his own case."; The government always is...
The government always is . . . what?
And you certainly don't mean the US Government and/or the people who fill Art. I, II, and III positions.
Brett is confused. Logically you can't be saying there should be no oversight because no one will be able to oversee the overseers. Brett wants to make a moral or religious point but hasn't the vocabulary for it.
The government always is the judge in its own case, obviously. And, certainly, I mean exactly that the government's own actions are judged by members of the government, and sovereign immunity derives from that very fact: That the government itself gets to decide whether the government has immunity.
As opposed to whom? Private arbitral tribunals? Nobody?
Saying something is predictable and bad doesn't imply that you have an alternative. I'm just identifying the real source of sovereign immunity: The fact that the sovereign gets to decide whether it exists.
So those checks and balances are meaningless?
As well as elections?
You're being way too overbroad on the 'government is judge in its own case.'
No, Brett, your point is "who will watch the watchers?" Latin "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"--because you can't be saying there should be no watchers.
No, I'm not saying there should be no watchers, I'm saying that when you let the watchers watch themselves, you should naturally expect that they'll see no evil.
If only there was some way to split the sovereign power of the state over three parts, let's call them branches of government, so that screw-ups by one branch can be corrected by another.
Great idea, but really making it work requires some critical features.
For instance, if one of those branches is staffed by the other two, you must expect that it will eventually be captured, and stop functioning as a check. Then the other two can just agree on expanding their mutual power.
Really, you'd want to divide the power of the state vertically, too, and then provide each level of government some way to exercise a check on the other. Perhaps you could have one of the chambers of the upper level's legislature chosen by the legislatures of the lower level?
That would work until you stupidly replaced it with direct elections, taking the lower level's power to block nominations to the upper level's judiciary away, enabling that capture I spoke of above.
The 17th amendment broke our constitutional structure, and directly led to the subsequent cancerous growth of the federal government.
Hang on a sec...
Above you were complaining about "sovereign immunity" and that govt (whatever you consider govt), policed itself.
Yet 17A (1913) put the election of senators in the hands of the people instead of senators being elected by state legislators.
Isn't that a step in the right direction towards democracy?
I like how no one bothered to look at the actual probation conditions.
TBF, if this is a 1 in a million case, it’s not really reasonable to expect humans to catch that kind of thing.
I imagine the NC authority thought they were being efficient by simply arranging for this guy to go back to prison in Georgia rather than holding a trial in NC.
State functionary screws up in her job; lawsuit ensues; taxpayers will pay.
That about sums it up.
This seems...correct.
"Follow all laws" is a standard condition of probation. I just wonder if the sentencing judge committed an oversight and the probation officer, also being lazy, just presumed that this standard condition was in place for this case.
I know; doesn't make it right, but as a law professor once said, the damages are increased when you go from "really stupid" to "really mean." I don't think this was the latter.
the probation officer, also being lazy, just presumed
Except that according to the officers' own testimony, they didn't merely presume, they read the actual relevant document. Of course, they were probably caught in a dilemma: admit that they hadn't read the doc - quite possibly - or say that they had, and unaccountably/recklessly missed the (lack of) conditions.
I think your first inclination was right. So many people get caught in a liar's trap. The boss probably asked her if she read it and then she immediately responded, "Sure I did!"
Then when it starts becoming clear that she didn't read it, she doubles down and insists even more strongly that she did. It happens a lot.
This is basically what I would have commented. The problem here lies not with the probation officers who are, if the probies in my state are representative, overworked, not that bright, and have a bunch of standardized forms that comprise the majority of their workload.
Standard conditions of probation always include not committing additional Felony or Misdemeanors (sometimes the latter is restricted to more serious misdemeanors) while on probation. This judge decided to "get creative" which is what caused the problem. He is the one that should have to indemnify the plaintiff, for his own dumbassery. Its like the judges who get acclaim for sentencing people to be a butler or hold a sign that says "i am a jerk" in Central Park. No. If you want to be fancy, use stockades. Otherwise, just give people normal punishments.
No, the problem here really does lie with the probation officer, who failed to follow departmental policy by looking at the sentencing document before seeking the warrant. One look at it would have stopped the whole mess in its tracks.
It is interesting that the GA constitution forbids banishment. So what courts do is banish them from EVERY county in GA except Echols County.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echols_County,_Georgia
As the article notes, most of those banished decide to leave GA altogether. I agree with the poster upthread and think this is wrong. Take care of your own criminals; don't dump them on neighbors.
Oooh, that's a fun piece of information!
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