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Some Reasons to be Skeptical of Nationwide Injunctions
The Supreme Court in Trump v. CASA, Inc. should rein in the district courts' use of nationwide injunctions.
I disagree, on the merits, with President Trump's executive order denying birthright citizenship to children of non-citizens who are born in the United States because their parents were here without a green card. I will explain my reasons for disagreeing with the President in more detail in a future blog post. My reading of the Constitution, the caselaw, the scholarly commentary, and of our history leaves me persuaded that United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 693 (1898), was correctly decided 127 years ago. Justice Gray's opinion in that case for six justices of the Supreme Court is far more persuasive and more thorough than is Chief Justice Fuller's dissent.
I disagree, however, with the increasingly aggressive issuance of nationwide injunctions by the federal district courts, including the nationwide injunctions at issue in Trump v. CASA, a birthright citizenship case which is presently before the Supreme Court. Article III, Section 2 of the Constitution explains that "The judicial Power shall extend" to nine, and only nine, categories of specific cases or controversies. The federal courts do not have the power to decide issues nor are they the sole expositors of the meaning of the Constitution.
The Constitution never mentions the word "interpretation." It never expressly grants any actor a power of interpretation and does not expressly grant courts a power of judicial review. The only powers granted by the Constitution are legislative, executive, and judicial powers. All of those powers require those who exercise them to engage in interpretation to ascertain the scope and limits of their powers (and the powers of other actors), but those powers of interpretation are incidental to the exercise of [the legislative, the executive, and the judicial power]. [Steven Gow Calabresi & Gary Lawson, The Meese Revolution: The Making of a Constitutional Moment 192 (2024).]
As former Attorney General Ed Meese explained in his October 21, 1986 speech on "Departmentalism" at Tulane University, all three departments of the federal government must interpret and enforce the Constitution when they perform their own distinctive functions. Congress must interpret and follow the Constitution when it makes the laws, the President must interpret and follow the Constitution when he executes the laws, and the Article III federal courts must interpret and follow the Constitution when they are deciding one of the nine categories of cases or controversies that they have jurisdiction to decide. Presidents Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, and Franklin D. Roosevelt all said precisely the same thing as did Attorney General Ed Meese. [Steven Gow Calabresi & Gary Lawson, The U.S. Constitution: Creation, Reconstruction, the Progressives, and the Modern Era 111-114 (2020).]
It is true, as President Madison wrote, that "Without losing sight … of the co-ordinate relations of the three department to each other, it may always be expected that the judicial bench, when happily filled, will … most engage the respect and reliance of the public as the surest expositor of the Constitution" because of "the qualities implied in its members; … the gravity and deliberation of their proceedings; and by the advantage their plurality gives them over the unity of the Executive department, and their fewness over the multitudinous composition of the Legislative department." [Id. at 111-112.]
But President Madison's explanation as to why the Judicial department "attracts most the public confidence" applies rather uniquely to the Supreme Court and not to each and every one of the 667 individual permanent federal district court judges who have not taken senior status. When an individual federal district court judge issues a nationwide, or global, injunction directed at the President of the United States, it can only extend to the party who has standing to bring a Case or Controversy before the district court. Frothingham v. Mellon, 262 U.S. 447 (1923); Massachusetts v. Mellon, 262 U.S. 447 (1923). And standing in such a case depends upon there being (1) a concrete and particularized legal injury that is not speculative and hypothetical (2) that has been caused by the President and (3) that can be redressed via judicial review. Any remedial judicial injunction can apply only to the party or parties who brought the case or controversy and that had standing to bring the case or controversy in the first place.
It is not at all clear that any of the parties in Trump v. CASA has suffered a legal injury that warranted the issuance of a nationwide injunction. Such parties will surely exist if, and when, President Trump tries to deport a named non-citizen who was born in the United States to parents who were in the country without a green card, or if, and when, President Trump tries to deny a U.S. passport to such a person. But even then, the Article III district courts only have power to issue injunctions as to the parties who are actually before the court. Article III district judges do not have the power to review in the abstract the constitutionality of President Trump's misguided birthright citizenship order, which is what the lower federal courts did in Trump v. CASA.
No sane legal system would give any one of 667 district judges, acting alone, the power to set aside the actions of the President, in the abstract, as to some legal issue that annoyed someone or even that annoyed 20 State Attorneys General. Such a system creates an incentive for forum shopping and for individual judges to abuse their power. It prevents the deliberation of issues by many judges, and ultimately by the Supreme Court, which is absolutely necessary for the public to have confidence that our unelected judiciary is deciding cases or controversies according to law rather than for partisan reasons. It also hamstrings the President of the United States, who is chosen by all the people of the nation in an election that is widely considered to be the most important election that our nation holds.
Judicial review, ultimately by the Supreme Court, is a vital part of our American system of checks and balances, but the Framers of the Constitution quite deliberately chose not to give the Article III federal courts the power to issue advisory opinions rather than the power to slowly and deliberately decide "cases" or "controversies" of "a judiciary nature." The idea that any one of 667 federal district judges should act as a king on some particular issue is itself a threat to our system of checks and balances because it concentrates too much power, in too few judges, acting far too quickly. And it bears noting that federal district judges are often in practice selected by their home state senators and do not have the same stamp of national approval as has the Supreme Court.
The American people will not have, and should not have, confidence in the impartiality and soundness of judicial decision-making that occurs in the frenzied fashion in which it occurred in Trump v. CASA. It is time for the Supreme Court to set some limits on the inferior federal courts with respect to the issuance of nationwide injunctions.
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No sane legal system would give any one of 667 district judges, acting alone, the power to set aside the actions of the President
That's why we have Appeals courts.
It's batshit insane that when the President issues an unconstitutional order that affects millions of people, that each and every one of them must sue.
Do we really need a separate lawsuit in every district court?
This isn't Burger King where you can have it your way.
So you agree with the status quo, that district courts can issue national injunctions as necessary, and that no change is needed to satisfy those who want it "their way." Glad you're on board.
This would have ended in an instant if Brandon had been hamstrung by MAGA judges.
Appeals courts are not sufficient to repair the damage from overbroad injunctions.
If you wish to sue on behalf of an entire class of people, we have established ways to do that. The current 'national injunction' abuse entirely bypasses that protocol.
OIC. The argument is that the courts didn't go through the process of certifying a class action.
It's totally not a complaint about the outcome.
Yes, "conservatives" are all about due process these days.
I haven't seen an example of a national injunction that wouldn't pass muster as a class action.
I can't speak for others but I've been consistently opposed to national injunctions for the past several administrations. Even when I agree with the policy outcome, they're the wrong way to go about it.
And contrary to your claim, many (arguably most) national injunctions would fail as class actions - or at least, would be bounded down to just the class who can actually show damages
In the present case, would certifying a class action succeed?
Possibly. I don't see any unsuperable problems to certifying a class of people actually subject to executive order 14160.
That is the point, for the government to make it expensive and slow to get remedies to illegal policies and actions. Those fighting for freedom and civil rights do not have unlimited funding and the government wants to overwhelm them and drain their accounts. Then no one would be able to stop the government.
So, you have to violate the constitution to save the constitution? Just like you wanted to remove the democrats' main political opponent from the ballot to save democracy. And of course, the little effort to jail that same target, all to save democracy again. Or something.
Basically. you are not arguing for the constitutionality or legality of the lower court overreach. You just think it would be easier for the issues you favor if the lower courts had more power at this time. If you don't like the constitutional, amend the constitution. If you want to expand the statutory limits of the lower courts' jurisdiction, win an election.
There is nothing in the constitution that provides any guidance in regards to this issue. When the president is acting lawlessness, the courts need a way to counter that.
And Trump is ineligible for office under 14A3S, but no one is wiling to enforce that other that CO.
"Trump is ineligible for office under 14A3S"
Says you, Molly. When you are elevate to SCOTUS, I'll listen.
Yet that is precisely what Justice Jackson argued for trying to cast the the idea of getting rid of nationwide junctions by circuit judges as stupid.
In fact she was arguing for nationwide TROs. If her argument were cogent, there'd never be a circuit split and if the TRO were nationwide it would be appealable. Fact is that that all parties like the present forum shopping when they are successful at it.
https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/05/announcement-of-opinions-and-oral-argument-live-blog-for-thursday-may-15/
Perhaps nationwide injunctions are overused, but there are certainly some cases that call for them and this seems to me to be one of them. Are people really suggesting that, for example, if you're born in the 1st Circuit you're a citizen but not if you're born in the 3rd? I also note that w/the exception of Sam Bray, a lot of people concerned about nationwide injunctions now didn't express the same concern say, oh, 3 or 4 years ago...
We have lots of laws that vary from state to state. Yes, it would be bad if all the birth tourists went to a particular state, but maybe Trump will put an end to that.
The point of 14A is to have uniform citizenship laws.
The point of the 14th A was to stop states from creating their own fractured definitions of citizenship. Nothing in the 14A (or any other federal law or constitutional clause) has ever forced uniformity across the federal districts until a case gets up to the US Supreme Court.
For an obvious example, look at how the different districts still enforce 2A issues. The 14A is no different.
…by creating a universal nationwide definition.
Which, like the univeral nationwide definition of allowable gun law (governed by the 2A), free speech (governed by the 1A), what counts as a reasonable search (governed by the 4A) are all subject to varying interpretations by the different district courts (until, that is, SCOTUS finally steps in on each individual issue).
Strange argument by Calabresi, serving up an absurdly narrow definition of judicial power unwarranted by any reasonable original meaning., English courts had the power to enjoin long before the Constitution was drafted and that power was assuredly part of judicial power, as was the power to interpret law. Further, at the time there being a distinction between law and equity but no distinction being made in Art III, you can't argue on that basis either.
Finally, English courts of first instance having the power to enjoin, and the Constitution not restricting delegated judicial power - noting only that Congress could establish inferior courts, not dictate their powers, there's nothing unconstitutional about universal injunctions. The division into circuits is an artefact of legislation, not inherent in the Constitution.
So the only issue is whether the case is limited to the actual plaintiffs. And here the consequences are evidently absurd if it is.
Scotus could put a stay on all the injunctions.
They can indeed.
It is an warranted and absurdly narrow definition of the judicial power to note that Art. III courts lack the power to issue advisory opinions? Yeah, crazy talk.
An injunction is not an "advisory opinion." It's an order.
"Article III district courts only have power to issue injunctions as to the parties who are actually before the court. Article III district judges do not have the power to review in the abstract the constitutionality of President Trump's misguided birthright citizenship order, which is what the lower federal courts did in Trump v. CASA."
Congrats on being able to copy-and-paste. But the observation makes no sense in this context; the courts are not reviewing the issue "in the abstract." The case presents a purely legal question. It is possible that there are different categories of people to which different rules apply — I mean, we know of some, like children of diplomats — but within those categories, it's a question of law applicable to all of them. To say, "Garcia and Rodriguez argue that this executive order is unconstitutional, because the 14th amendment says that all children of illegal aliens are citizens. They are correct, but the government can nonetheless continue to unconstitutionally treat every such child except Garcia and Rodriguez as noncitizens" would be nonsensical. It's a facial challenge, not an as applied challenge. And once that decision is reached, the question becomes what the appropriate remedy is. And the answer is that the remedy is to order the government — which is a party before it — not to enforce the EO.
No, what this means is that 667 district judges, acting alone, lack the power to dictate nationally binding rules to the President. Art. III powers are not unlimited. If you think the system should work differently, amend the constitution, or change the laws (to the extent such change would comport with constitutional limitations). Sorry if this is inconvenient to some legal activists. Them's the breaks in our system of checks and balances.
Riva, it's bad form to quote from materials without identifying the source being quoted.
I agree, but in this case he was quoting the post itself, so I think it's okay.
Bro would overrule Marbury v Madison and let both the Executive and Legislative branches decide what rules they want to follow.
Bro would also disagree with this article on Separation of Powers...
https://liberalarts.tamu.edu/pols/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2020/09/Calabresi-Rise-Fall-of-the-Separation-of-Powers.pdf
“ The federal courts do not have the power to decide issues nor are they the sole expositors of the meaning of the Constitution.”
There’s really no other conclusion than to say the courts can’t dictate constitutional meaning to the executive or legislative branches. The article you cite was from 2012, before Calabresi went MAGA and Trump 2.0 came to power. That’s what they’re going for now—total capitulation to Trump—make no mistake.
Bro argued no such thing.
Already noted above; but you shouldn't need an individual law suit in every single district when the action complained of is nationwide in scope. The executive order denying birthright citizenship applies to the whole of the country because it directs federal agencies to act (or refrain from acting and issuing necessary documents) of any person born in the US who doesn't meet the executive order's conditions.
Unconstitutional orders are ultra vires...void ab initio. If the 9th, 3rd and 6th districts enjoin the act but the other districts don't because someone hasn't filed in that district yet... and if ultimately the executive order is struck down as unconstitutional... the fed govt agencies in question would be issuing citizenship documents for some and denying to others based solely on geographic happenstance. Then later would have to fix the mess. It's idiotic and a total waste of judicial economy and federal resources.
The govt didn't appeal the legality/constitutionality of the executive order...just the scope of the various injunctions (trying to narrow the scope). That tells me all I need to know about what they think about their chances on the merits. So if they win...some people get documents other do not then in ~2yrs...govt loses on the merits and everybody denied documents while this plays out is then entitled to them.
How much damage is done in the meantime??
I've become increasingly convinced that the issue of forum shopping and nationwide injunctions is real, but needs to be dealt with by Congress. I've suggested before that a District Court Judge can certify an issue to a specific Appellate Court who has the power to issue national injunctions.
That being said, the government has an obligation not just to obey a writ issued by a court (same as any other party), but to ensure the law is applied as consistently as possible. This means if an injunction is applicable to the government to enjoin their action against one person, that injunction would be applicable to the government against other people in identical circumstances. The government shouldn't be causing irreparable harm inconsistent with that court's reasoning. If the current standard is abuse of discretion, I think the Supreme Court, through oversight rules, could recognize that nationwide injunctions from district court judges should be narrowly tailored for a compelling need and used as a last resort, but I don't think there's anything in the power of the judiciary that would prohibit them from tailoring their remedy to best suit the situation.
Or any request for a nationwide injunction is automatically assigned to a completely random 3-judge panel picked from the pool of all 667 district court judges.
Poof goes forum selection, individual judge shopping, and “single self important judge” problems.
Once one judge rules against the Government on an issue of law, the Government is collaterally estopped from arguing its position elsewhere.
That is not true. We see examples to the contrary every week.
See the discussions in City of Chicago v. Barr, 961 F.,3d 882, 915 (7th Cir. 2020), and Mahoney v. United States Capitol Police Board, 2024 WL 4235429 at *9-10 (D. D.C.).
I looked up your Chicago v Barr case and found on page 62-63 a discussion that exactly contradicts your claim. That discussion cites to Standefer v US which held that while private parties might be estopped under such circumstances, the government is explicitly allowed a different standard and lays out all the reasons why.
The court there was talking about the Government's right to argue a different position in future suits. I'm talking about being bound by a decision on a certain point.
"Government is collaterally estopped from arguing its position elsewhere."
I'd like to se some SCOTUS authority on this assertion. Have any?
So I listened to the oral argument here, and while it's always perilous to read too much into that process, I think the government is going to have a tough row to hoe on this issue.
I really don't understand why they picked this case. (And by "they" I mean both SCOTUS and the administration.) It's such a terrible vehicle for challenging universal injunctions.
Administration picked it, perhaps, since someone felt they needed to bring a birthright citizenship suit after all the losing & this was the strongest argument they had.
I’m still thinking that the majority won’t rule UIs are never allowable, will allow this one, and issue guidance to limit them. Some of the limiting guidance proposed by Plaintiff and amicus counsel might have legs, either the “facial constitutional challenge” or “robust showing on public interest” strike me as meritorious. Put some teeth into the less-used Winter factors.
Thomas will issue a “never allowed” dissent.
I thought that Trump's lawyer (Sauer) did the best he could with what he had to work with; because Trump fires anyone who undermines him in any way, the guy could not make any concessions of any sort that might have assuaged any of the justices' concerns.
I thought the states' lawyer — NJ's solicitor general — did a great job, and I thought the other lawyer for the respondents did a good job.
Yeah, I thought Feigenbaum was really good as well.
And also totally agreed that this case was close to the worst possible vehicle for the government's argument against universal/nationwide injunctions. I imagine Thomas and/or Alito will still manage to side with the government, but in the discussion it didn't seem like anyone was skeptical of the claim that class actions couldn't substitute for universal injunctions for states, or that the states likely needed one here.
You may be right that Sauer was doing the best he could under the cirumstances, but it felt like he had a ludicrously weak hand. At some point Kavanaugh was asking about the feasibility of turning on the policy in 30 days and seemed to really beat him up over his inability to provide a substantive answer. In general, he seemed to face much more hostile questioning than the respondents' counsel.
It wouldn't surprise me if the Court just acknowledges his first category of universal injunction (necessary to provide equitable relief to the plaintiffs) and punt on whether or not there should be other kinds. Best case scenario for the government would actually be if they DIGed this so they could avoid the L and choose a better case.
To be fair, what could Sauer say? "Well, we honestly never really bothered to think about that because we knew the EO would never go into effect."
I'd characterize it more as skeptical than hostile. Several of the GOP-nominated justices seemed to hope he could give them something to work with, but he really couldn't.
But really, as I said, his problem was that he couldn't make any concessions at all. "Class cert? I can't say it's warranted here because I'd get fired, but I can't say it's not because that would undermine my case. So I'm not prepared to discuss that." And "Would we obey a Circuit Court ruling? Eh, who knows? Generally we do, but I can't commit to that, because I'd be fired."
I am surprised that there was very little discussion of what does or does not constitute an "emergency" so as to justify interim relief from SCOTUS. How is it emergent for the federal government to be required to follow law that has been settled for at least 127 years?
It's ego. Listen to how Sauer so belligerently kept insisting that no, actually our merits arguments are really good here, I swear, and in the process kept failing to even engage with hypotheticals posed by Gorsuch, ACB and Kagan, and in my mind weakened an already weak position by doing so. Trump and his appointees seem to take the view that nobody would dare tell them they're wrong, and so much of their litigation posture is almost a dare to the judiciary to do so.
I think David Nieporent is probably correct in that it's not so much that Sauer himself necessarily believes his position (although he can't reasonably concede the merits without the whole thing falling down) so much as he can't concede anything because Trump has signaled that he'll fire attorneys for doing so.
But man, if that's how he's going to have to argue all of his cases, his term as SG is going to be really rough. It would be interesting to go back and look at his work as Missouri SG to see if he was a more effective advocate in that context.
You give the guy too much credit. Don’t do that. He’s as much a hack as Bove and Biondi.
That was my thought as well. Why fight to remove injunctions over a background issue that is both highly divisive and very likely doomed on its own merits?
Moreover, until Trump's bad faith and aggressive assault I was very sympathetic to removing that kind of injunction power from district courts. Suddenly we now see its utility against bad faith abuse of the law by rogue Presidents...another unforced error by the administration.
Trump - or any other president - should draw a line in the sand and tell district court judge to go pound it. Once and for all. Simply ignore the court.
A president who did that would invite Second Amendment solutions.
From whom?
From people who realized that the law was on their side but that the government wasn't constrained by that law anyway. The dispossessed tend to be the ones most likely to lash out historically.
All patriotic Americans.
Yep. Probably more patriotic than those who live in a lefty bubble, and understand the reason that we have a 2nd Amdt and why Thomas Jefferson essentially suggested frequent revolutions. He said “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
Do you seriously believe that it is patriotic to facilitate the entry into, and obstruct the removal from this country of rapists, human (including child) traffickers, drug suppliers, violent gang embers, etc, without scrutiny? They are illegal aliens for a good reason - if they were properly vetted and scrutinized, they would be jailed, instead of being allowed into this country as legal aliens. And for the otherwise law abiding illegal aliens is it really patriotic to require the rest of us, many having ancestry here for upwards of 400 years now, to pay for their school, health care, feed, lodging, etc, just because they came here illegally? Why do you consider that patriotic?
1) This case has nothing to do with the entry of illegal aliens into the U.S. This case is about birthright citizenship.
2) But the issue we were discussing in this subthread has nothing to do with the specific merits of birthright citizenship. The issue we were discussing in this subthread was a president yelling, a la Judge Dredd, "I am the law!" and ignoring the courts. A president who declares himself above the law is ipso facto a dictator, and it is patriotic to remove him.
You support dictators, it appears. Ignoring the courts is ignoring the law.
To me this is a question of what the words "cases" and "controversies" in Article III actually mean. Does an order that binds the government's actions towards parties not before the court go beyond the scope of deciding a case or controversy? I don't know enough to answer that question, but I do know enough to think that it is the only relevant question. Concerns about the practical consequences of one system versus another are totally beside the point.
I also think commenters that are suggesting that District Courts should not have the power to issue universal injunctions but higher courts should have that power are misguided on the role of appellate courts.
Seems to me that the proliferation of universal injunctions are a direct result of the proliferation of nationwide executive orders (EO). When Congress passes a law, the process is slow enough that those who are aggrieved can plan and prepare a case to challenge it. But Trump can spring an EO on the country at a moment's notice, and those EOs can have drastic effects.
A blatantly unconstitutional EO requires a streamlined process to be addressed on the merits before it harms the rights of thousands (or millions). While I think the justices on average do not like universal injunctions, the EO in this case is so egregiously wrong and with such damaging consequences that I think the Court is backed into the corner of having to say that universal injunctions can be required in certain narrow circumstances like this one, and that the Court will have the final say on a case-by-case basis. The alternatives the government has offered, which all boil down to "force everything into piecemeal litigation or class actions where we can slow or stop it," aren't going to satisfy a majority of the justices.
Crucially, I think the elephant in the room on this case is the issue of trust. In the past, there was a level of trust between the branches that one branch will not go too far, or at least stay within the arguable bounds of the Constitution, and so it was not necessary to lay out hard rules on what could and could not be done. Courts could take their time, let issues "percolate," and work things out properly. But with A.A.R.P. and the fact that the Trump administration was busily sending people by bus to the airport to be sent to Venezuela while it was telling the Court there were no immediate plans to do so, I think the Court has decided that it really cannot trust this administration at all to act within the confines of the law. Therefore, the Court is going to make sure there is a mechanism in place to protect the rule of law. Universal injunctions may not be perfect, but they are the best way to quickly get such EOs before the Court on the merits and protect the rule of law from a capacious executive.
Kavanaugh was basically making this point at oral argument, FWIW. Not just with regards to Trump, but with Presidents generally tending to take more aggressive positions since Congress isn't actually legislating anymore.
I'd be curious to see an analysis of what all those universal injunctions actually enjoined. During the Biden administration, the nationwide injunctions I recall being particularly egregious mostly seemed to apply to agency action: e.g. approval of mifepristone, or the SEC's private fund adviser rule, neither of which were really a direct outcome of presidential action. Maybe this is symmetric between the two "sides" but I wouldn't take that for granted.
I agree that Kacsmaryk trying to nationally reverse the 20+ year old agency approval of mifepristone was particularly egregious.
But ... that was an APA ruling, and it seemed to me that both parties agreed that was a different issue. It has its own problems! Bigly! All that said, APA remedies are not what is currently on the table today.
From the OP: "When an individual federal district court judge issues a nationwide, or global, injunction directed at the President of the United States, it can only extend to the party who has standing to bring a Case or Controversy before the district court." Also from the OP: "Article III district courts only have power to issue injunctions as to the parties who are actually before the court."
But the Supreme Court is also a creature of Article III. So why does this depend on district court vs. any other level of the federal court system? If this is rooted in Article III standing then not even the Supreme Court can issue an injunction covering anyone but the named parties.
Yes, the Supreme Court has nationwide jurisdiction, but again, if this is rooted in Article III, that only matters to the extent the named plaintiffs are geographically scattered. The named plaintiffs can now go anywhere in the country without fear of being deported based on the EO, but everyone else still has to challenge the EO or join a class or whatever.
In short, the Supreme Court's nationwide jurisdiction doesn't help if the problem with universal injunctions is a problem of the court's remedy exceeding the scope of the court's Article III jurisdiction. In that case, no one, not even the Supreme Court, could enjoin the government from enforcing the law generally (against non-named parties).
And an Article III ruling would also call into question vacatur under the APA.
Two things worth considering that often seem to be left out of such discussions:
1) These injunctions are not a legal decision, they're a delay and one which could be struck down hours later by an appeals court. "The federal courts do not have the power to decide issues nor are they the sole expositors of the meaning of the Constitution." And statements of this nature suppose an alternate world where judges are themselves kings and what they say becomes law. That's not what an injunction is and acting like it is doesn't add to the conversation in any meaningful way.
2) The Constitution doesn't offer a single mechanism to penalize those in government for violating the Constitution, save one very bad one that's worth avoiding at almost any cost. With that being true, some ivory tower view of how a utopic judicial arrangement would look should really take a back seat compared to basic practicality. Delaying enactment of plausibly unconstitutional measures for a few hours or days, on the signal of an appointed, by profession reasonable actor, is far from the end of the world. If the horses really can't be held up, then the appeals court will act with sufficient emergency. Otherwise, what is really lost by holding those horses?
And if we are concerned about the quality of our judges then.... Well, to that feels like the larger issue to me, so why not focus on that one?
Layman question for the lawyers here who listened to the case.
Am I misunderstanding it, or were essentially all the justices asking for opinions on the proper way to shut down this EO, and not even contemplating the possibility that it could be upheld?
They're considering different options with respect to individual vs district vs national injunctions, class actions vs injunctions, lower courts vs SC, but it's all about how and where the government will eventually lose on any denial of birthright citizenship, at least if it is challenged.
Is that approximately correct?
Officially, no. Unofficially, yes.
Thanks.
Presumably, there is a class of children of illegal aliens who agree with Trump that they are not citizens, such as those who would owe taxes and don’t wish to enjoy other benefits of citizenship.
Given the lack of a controversy between the Trump administration and people like that, where would courts get the power to enjoin the EO with respect to them?
Presumably you could also find some (very small) class of gun owners who really want the government to take away their guns. Or a (perhaps larger?) class of arrestees who wouldn't be totally against having sex with jail personnel.
Anyway, that's a defect of class actions in general. I actually liked the McD nuggets better when they were mechanically separated and had some feathers in the recipe. And I have no objection to coffee served anywhere up to 212F.