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Process Formalism In Texas But Not At SCOTUS
Kudos to Judge Ramirez who understands how the rules of civil and appellate procedure operate.
For much of the last five years, the fine federal judges of Texas were slandered and maligned. They were called rogue, partisan hacks. Egged on by pundits on social media, these judges were targeted for non-stop attacks. Their chambers were blitzed with calls. They received countless misconduct complaints. Billboards were plastered with their faces. They were subject to repeated death threats, which led to criminal indictments. This conduct was far worse than any pizzas delivered to judges. How did the federal judiciary respond to these actions? By trying to ram down an illegal rule to take away their cases. And the threats were met with silence.
The reality is very different. For sure, plaintiffs forum shopped, but the Biden Administration never argued that venue was improper. And when these judges issued national injunctions or vacaturs, they stayed their rulings to permit the government to take a timely appeal. The Fifth Circuit moved promptly, and decided cases on its emergency docket to permit a timely appeal to the Supreme Court. It is fair to criticize these rulings on their substance, but over the four years of the Biden Administration, I think Texas judges largely followed fair procedures.
The second Trump administration has brought on a different wave of problems. District judges have permitted suits against the federal government for damages that should clearly have been brought in the Court of Federal Claims. Habeas actions brought on the east coast should have clearly been brought in Texas where the prisoners were confined. Actions seeking reinstatement of federal employees should have clearly been brought in the MSPB and other civil service forums. Judges have certified class actions during ex parte TRO hearings without any regard for Rule 23. And so on.
At every instance, judges in these cases abandoned any pretense of process formalism. Even as they denied Trump the presumption of substantive regularity, courts themselves abandoned any preseumption of procedural regularity. Judge Boasberg is perhaps the most egregious repeat offender. On a Saturday afternoon hearing, he told the ACLU lawyers to restyle their habeas case as an APA case to avoid venue problems, and immediately certified a class, and ordered the executive branch to turn around planes. Even after the Supreme Court gave him an easy out by finding he lacked venue, he is still going down the road to appoint a truly independent special prosecutor who can assert absolute authority over the executive branch. Again, Boasberg may be right or wrong about the substance, but procedurally, he is way out of his lane. The D.C. Circuit administratively stayed Boasberg's order by a 2-1 vote (Katsas and Rao, with Pillard dissenting). Let's see if that holds up.
By any procedural measure, the judges of Texas have behaved far better than the judges on the Amtrak Corridor. This background brings me to the latest installment of the emergency docket, A.A.R.P. v. Trump.
Judge Hendrix cannot be faulted. He moved with remarkable dispatch on a compressed timeline with a very complex case. The ACLU only gave him forty-two minutes to rule, even as he promisd to rule by the following day. You might say, well someone had to stop the planes? The federal judiciary does not work for the ACLU. There are many important cases on the docket. Indeed, it seems that Judge Hendrix had a criminal case that week. Generally, as any district court law clerk can tell you, criminal cases always take precedents over civil matters. (Whenever lawyers called to ask about the status of a civil case, I would parrot that line.) Judges cannot be expected to rule on incredibly complex cases, without waiting for the other side to reply. That sort of knee-jerk reaction would be the anthesis of reasoned decision-making. Remember, courts cannot solve all of society's ills. Some problems can only be resolved through the political process.
The Fifth Circuit cannot be faulted. They only had the case for a few hours before the ACLU ran to the Supreme Court. And the panel managed to put together a one-page order denying relief. This analysis, which was done without the benefit of any government briefing, is also emphatically correct.
Petitioners' opposed motion for a temporary administrative stay and an injunction pending appeal is DENIED as premature. "A court of appeals sits as a court of review, not of first view." Zaragoza v. Union Pacific Railroad Company, 112 F.4th 313, 322 (5th Cir. 2024) (cleaned up). That principle dictates our ruling today. Just yesterday, the district court entered an order indicating that "[t]he government states that authorities will not remove the petitioners during this litigation, and it will alert the Court if that changes." If Petitioners are concerned that Respondents' position has changed, they should have litigated these concerns before the district court in the first instance. We do not doubt the diligence and ability of the respected district judge in this case to act expeditiously when circumstances warrant. Petitioners insist that they tried to proceed before the district court in the first instance, and that the district court simply "refus[ed] to act." But the district court's order today indicates that Petitioners gave the court only 42 minutes to act—and did not give Respondents an opportunity to respond. The appeal is DISMISSED for lack of subject matter jurisdiction under 28 U.S.C. § 1291(a)(1), for substantially the reasons stated in Judge Ramirez's concurrence.
This is far more considered judgment than the Supreme Court gave to the issue.
Moreover, Judge Irma Carrillo Ramirez wrote a two paragraph concurrence under exceptionally tight circumstances:
Nevertheless, "what counts as an effective denial is contextual— different cases require rulings on different timetables." In re Fort Worth Chamber of Commerce, 100 F.4th 528, 535 (5th Cir. 2024). "District courts have wide discretion in managing their docket, and they do not necessarily deny a motion by failing to rule on a parties' requested timeline." Id. Here, the petitioners filed a motion for a temporary restraining order just after midnight on April 18, 2025. Around noon the next day, they filed a motion seeking a status conference and informing the district court that they would construe its failure to act within 42 minutes as a constructive denial of their motion. The ensuing appeal, after the district court failed to meet this unreasonable deadline, divested the district court of jurisdiction. It was therefore unable to complete its review of the filings, after affording the government an opportunity to respond, and issue rulings by noon on April 19, 2025, as it had planned. Although the declarations fully reflect the need for urgency, we cannot find an effective denial of injunctive relief based on the district court's failure to issue the requested ruling within 42 minutes. The appeal is dismissed for lack of subject-matter jurisdiction under 28 U.S.C. § 1291(a)(1).
Kudos to Judge Ramirez. She previously served as a Magistrate Judge, and has a wealth of experience in the intricacies of trial court proceedings. The Supreme Court, and its two former district court judges, should know better.
Maybe the ACLU would have preferred if the Fifth Circuit summarily denied relief without putting out any opinion. That way the ACLU could take the case to the Supreme Court without delay. Maybe the Supreme Court does not even care what the Fifth Circuit has to say about these matters. If the Justices did, they could have waited a few hours before administratively staying the executive branch's actions. But process matters. Here, the fine judges of Texas illustrated process formalism. The members of the Supreme Court majority did not. Instead, they ignored the foundational principles of Marbury v. Madison and issued an order in the absence of appellate jurisdiction.
I wonder if the Supreme Court, when it decided J.G.G. v. Trump, thought through the next step. What would happen if the Fifth Circuit did not bend procedural rules like the D.C. Circuit did? The Supreme Court's ruling on venue punted the inevitable clash with the real process formalists.
My friend Mike Fragoso aptly noted the "excellent application of process formalism by Biden appointee, Irma Ramirez." He added, "too bad the Supreme Court' didn't heed to it."
Excellent application of process-formalism by Biden appointee, Irma Ramirez. Too bad the Supreme Court didn't take heed to it. https://t.co/yUClN0eP7P pic.twitter.com/S7hftMcTvz
— Mike Fragoso (@mike_frags) April 19, 2025
I share Mike's frustration. But some people on the Supreme Court did heed to it: Justices Alito and Thomas. At least one, and probably all three, of the Trump appointees, disregarded process formalism. (We'll see if anyone else joins Alito's imminent dissent.) As I've written before, for Justice Barrett, process matters except when the case comes from the Fifth Circuit. Here is your daily reminder that President Trump could have filled all three of his vacancies with judges from Texas.
Soon enough, A.A.R.P. will come back to the Court in the normal course. The Justices will never have to acknowledge how flawed this order was. Justice Alito will issue a dissent, as promised. But it will not make a difference. In a stress test, the Justices of the Supreme Court failed. In the same breath that Judges like J. Harvie Wilkinson wax poetic about the executive branch behaving lawlessly, the highest court in the land does no better.
I've long said that Chief Justice Roberts thinks about law in terms of newspaper headlines. "Supreme Court upholds Affordable Care Act" matters far more than the nuances of the Tax Anti-Injunction Act or the apportionment requirement of the Direct Taxes Clause. Roberts is proud to disavow being an originalist, but I think the reality is far worse. He is not a legalist. More often not, the law will take a backseat where Roberts thinks that there is some higher purpose the Court must serve in the moment.
The Court's statement (and it is not an order) in A.A.R.P. v. Trump illustrates this principle clearly. The headlines all report that "Supreme Court blocks removal of aliens by a 7-2 vote." But the press is utterly unconcerned with whether the Court even had jurisdiction to do so. Indeed, to the extent the reporters said anything, they unquestionably accepted the ACLU's position that the district court's failure to immediately rule on a motion warranted immediate intervention by the Supreme Court. How many of these reporters ever spent a day in district court, where preliminary injunction motions sometimes sit pending for weeks or months. The inferior courts performed with exemplary swiftness here.
I'll close with my common refrain. John Roberts is ill equipped to keep the Court away from an actual constitutional crisis. At this point, he is squirming in a pit of quick sand. The more he flails his arms, the quicker he will sink. Anyone who reaches out to the Chief will descend just the same.
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The Roberts court seems to thinking playing Calvinball with procedure is going to result in something other than Trump proclaiming, Jackson style, "now let them enforce it," and that constitutional crisis we've long worried about.
With my limited thinking, I believe, Chief Justice Roberts, did human act, by saving these desperate humans that were allowed by POTUS Biden to migrate from Venezuela to the USA, and then with change of POTUS, tRump sending them to death chamber in El Salvador.
Does Roberts really think he's going to win a media relations battle with Trump?
Trump's Jackson moment will be: "fine, the Supreme Court kept me from deporting these gang members with weapons and assault charges pending, so I dumped them on Robert's lawn. Roberts must know what to do with them."
The bus with these gang members will pull right up to Robert's house, the same way Texas and Florida sent migrants to New York. And 2/3 of the country will cheer.
Do you think courts should allow government officials to break the law when it’s popular for the latter to do so?
Do you think judges should decide what the law should be based on their open borders policy preferences?
No, and thank goodness no is doing that here. What seems to going on is that there are important questions about how this law can be invoked and used in this situation (where there is no declared war or AUMF for example) that might need answered before a rush to use it.
Hmmm... judges ordering the government to disburse billions (without bond so the money can be returned), ordering planes to turn around (after telling plaintiffs to drop habeas to avoid venue problems and without consideration of fuel and the laws of physics), and then issuing ex parte middle of the night pronouncements without jurisdiction...good thing judges aren't usurping the law! I feel so much better.
You're using old talking and abandoned points.
And you don't seem to know what ex parte means.
Did you ever read the statute determine the process that is due for deportations?
Skimming last week's headlines from rightwingwanker.com doesn't seem to be working well for you.
Putting you on mute. I had you on mute for a few years, now I remember why. Come back with some value-add to the discussion.
So why don't you stop parroting old talking and abandoned points? But I'm not putting you on mute because you're one of my architype examples of the clueless parrot genre.
Sometime I'll post the architype definitions and names. Blocking the numerous dupes (oooh..unintended double-entendre!) really saves time. I clear my blocked list 2-3 times a year and am encouraged that some manage to stay off it, but most go right back on.
I think you will find most law enforcement officers will be willing to side with the courts and also, if it comes to it, the army as well. So yes, they can enforce it.
Let’s just say history suggests that the Pope has more divisions than Stalin gave him credit for. I think Trump will find out something similar.
Is Josh going to blog the same idiotic comment eight or ten more times in a row? If he wants to throw a tantrum, that's his 1A right, but there's no need to let him do it here.
I’ll say. As my kindergarten teacher used to say, “Once is funny, twice is silly, three times is incredibly boring.”
History suggests we're maybe only 15% of the way through him disgorging on this one.
We have more Trump-haters here, posting the same anti-Trump arguments over and over. It is good to see someone defend Trump.
I hope he does it 100 more times right here and you have to keep reading it.
It's a great point which is why you can't argue against it but want to silence him like the authoritarian you are.
It will not work.
Scoffing =\= silencing.
What a clever way to prove that judges are not political, by acting politically. Wait a second...that's not quite right...Ok I take that back.
The S.Ct. seems to be enjoying itself now but the lower courts were created by Congress and the S.Ct's appellate jurisdiction is determined by Congress. Not to mention impeachments are always possible. FAFO. They may not like the accountability the real political branch has the power to bring and which they are providing ample reason for Congress to exercise.
Oh please. The Congress isn't going to abolish all the district courts. With the likes of Jim Jordan and other MAGA idiots running committees and thinking of legislation to make Dear Leader happy they will totally fuck everything up. Because they are in fact idiots.
This ends with Gitmo and military tribunals for the illegal aliens, or something very similar. If that's "due process" for Al Quaeda, its "due process" for MS13, etc.
Congress hasn’t declared any war against MI-13. And we don’t have any evidence any detainees are members. If you consider that the “evidence” against Garcia consisted of things like he was seen wearing a Chicago Bulls cap - a supposed “known gang symbol” - you get a sense of just how thin the evidence the Trump team’s claimed are based on.
We have no more reason to believe any of Trump’s claims ghat these people are a danger to the country than we have for his claims that he won the 2020 election in a landslide.
Good luck with the judicial nomination, Josh
You see, when Kacsmaryk did these things it (R)eally was different!
"Even as they denied Trump the presumption of substantive regularity"
The Trump administration has proved time and time again that they don't have substantive regularity.
Also, this post gave me a headache.
Blackman is either being disingenuous or doesn't know the meaning of "presumption." I mean, both is always possible. In law, there is something called a conclusive presumption, or an irrebuttable presumption; those terms refer to a fact that the adjudicator must accept as true. Those exist but are very rare in law. Nobody has ever described the presumption of regularity as conclusive, which means that it is rebuttable. Which means (stop me if you can figure this one out on your own) courts are not required to adopt it, when the facts indicate otherwise.
JB must be upset that so many people opined about last night's order before him, including as it occurred. He likes to be FIRST!
Now he has three posts up, all flailing about. Overcompensation.
Only one who is overcompensating is you for hating Josh for defending what is right.
I disagree especially with the fourth post he eventually added.
You. Tiresome. Hack.
Roberts? Yes agreed. Josh did great pointing that out.
Question: Blackmun criticism of the SC seem to be based in part by his having a fuller understanding of what was transpiring at both the District and Appellate levels. Given the SC didn’t have the same understanding, could the majority’s decision make more sense viewed from that perspective?
I agree that the lower-court judges cannot be faulted.
Josh, however, fails to understand that the present injunction is different from other injunctions against the administration. This is not an injunction on the merits, as in Marbury. This is an injunction to preserve jurisdiction - one that would ensure that, when an appeal is filed, that court can hear the dispute. It is an exercise of appellate jurisdiction in that sense. Delo v. Stokes, 495 U.S. 320, 323 (1990) (Kennedy, J., concurring); FTC v. Dean Foods Co., 384 U.S. 597 (1966); Roche v. Evaporated Milk Assn., 319 U.S. 21 (1943). ("[Appellate court's] authority is not confined to the issuance of writs in aid of a jurisdiction already acquired by appeal, but extends to those cases which are within its appellate jurisdiction although no appeal has been perfected.")
Read Blackman's articles; think of Blackman's face, beaded in flop sweat.
Absent a corruptly partisan Supreme Court, an ill advised habit to cheer it on, and a reckless compulsion to do that publicly, Blackman would not now be cornered in an emotional prison linked to outcomes nobody can predict.
Eugene you should be so ashamed that you continue to give this Nazi a soapbox. Seriously. Fuck you.
Only Nazi is you. Josh is anti-Nazi clearly. So really fuck YOU.
Heh. The MAGA cry of "IKYABWAI?" distilled to its essence.
Aiding And Abetting Terrorists Hat
@kenwhite.bsky.social
Angel of the Lord: He is not here, He is risen, just as He said.
Come and see the place where He lay. And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead.
Alito: Okay, first of all, this violates ALL sorts of rules
Thomas: This was a LAWFUL execution, who is God to interfere
Josh, Josh, Josh...
• ...the fine federal judges of Texas were slandered and maligned.
• They were called rogue, partisan hacks.
• Texas judges largely followed fair procedures.
• ...the judges of Texas have behaved far better than the judges on the Amtrak Corridor
• The Fifth Circuit cannot be faulted.
• Here, the fine judges of Texas illustrated process formalism.
• President Trump could have filled all three of his vacancies with judges from Texas.
...being from Texas is not going to help you. You're never gonna get that nomination.
I think this pretty much sums up what’s going on. Just change the accents and add ICE.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6NkzFhxsOyA
Maybe I missed it because my eyes are tired from reading FAR TOO MUCH about this case, but I didn't see any mention in this article about the prospective deportees having been loaded onto busses bound for the airport --- aka bound for El Salvador --- and having to turn around and bring the prospective deportees BACK.
That has been mentioned elsewhere but not in THIS article, and of course I have no way of knowing whether it's a fact or a fairy tale. But perhaps SCOTUS doesn't know, either, so the majority of justices felt compelled to step in and make sure ANOTHER planeload of prospective deportees wasn't removed to a foreign dungeon from which the administration has already stipulated that it is powerless to retrieve them.
Preventing innocent people from being imprisoned in a foreign dungeon from which there is no escape and no appeal just might be a bit more important than strict adherence to the usual procedures under these highly-unusual circumstances. The old saying is that it's better to let 100 guilty people go free than to imprison ONE innocent person.