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"The Trump Administration's Unconstitutional Hate Mail to Harvard," by Prof. Genevieve Lakier (Chicago)
I've worked with Prof. Lakier on various projects recently, and have been much impressed with her analyses (as well as by her scholarship more generally). I'm therefore delighted to pass along her thoughts on the Administration's letter to Harvard University, with which I generally very much agree:
On April 3, officials in the Trump administration sent a letter to Harvard University, apparently in response to efforts by university administrators to open a "dialogue" with them about the funding cuts the administration had several days earlier announced it was considering making. The letter responded to the university's attempt to talk by outlining some, but possibly not all, of the changes the university would have to make in order to preserve the university's "continued financial relationship with the United States government."
The changes the letter asks for are sweeping, if also very much lacking in specifics. The letter demands, among other things that Harvard "review[]" and make "necessary changes" to academic programs and departments that "fuel antisemitic harassment" to "improve [their] viewpoint diversity and end ideological capture." Harvard also has to "consistently and proactively enforce its existing disciplinary policies, ensuring that senior administrative leaders are responsible for final decisions." It must impose a "comprehensive mask ban" on campus, and hold student protestors and student groups more strictly accountable for violation of the institutional time, place and manner rules.
It must cease all DEI programming on campus, as well as adopt a "merit-based" system of admissions and hiring (as opposed to what Harvard has now?). Harvard also has to "make meaningful governance reforms … to foster clear lines of authority and accountability, and … empower faculty and administrative leaders who are committed to implementing the changes indicated in this letter." It must in other words, reallocate power within the institution to those who agree with the administration's ideological agenda.
These demands are breathtaking in their ambition. The administration appears to be asking Harvard to change not only how it regulates speech and conduct on campus but how it performs its core educational and research functions, how it determines who constitutes the university community in the first place, and how it self-governs—although, again, without giving Harvard clear direction in any of these respects.
These demands are also very likely unconstitutional. As I, along with fifteen other constitutional law scholars argued in a public statement several weeks ago, the decision by the Trump administration to terminate $400 million in funding to Columbia was not only unjustified on statutory grounds but very likely violated the First Amendment by chilling, and pushing Columbia to suppress, protected expression. The same is true here, even though in this case, the administration hasn't actually cut Harvard's funding (yet!) but merely threatened to do so.
It doesn't matter that the administration has so far merely threatened to pull Harvard's funding, not actually done it, because—as the Supreme Court made clear just a year ago, in National Rifle Association v. Vullo—threats can violate the constitution too when they promise legal or regulatory harm in an effort to coerce private speakers or speech hosts like Harvard into censoring themselves or suppressing other people's speech. As the Court put it in Vullo, quoting an earlier Second Circuit opinion, "although government officials are free to advocate for (or against) certain viewpoints, they may not encourage suppression of protected speech in a manner that can reasonably be interpreted as intimating that some form of punishment or adverse regulatory action will follow the failure to accede to the official's request."
It is very hard to read the Harvard letter as doing anything else but "reasonably intimating"—indeed, very strongly intimating—that adverse regulatory action will follow the failure to accede to its demands. In a recent case, the Ninth Circuit held that Elizabeth Warren did not violate the First Amendment when she sent a letter to Amazon that expressed displeasure at the fact that a book that contained Covid-19 misinformation was listed on the retailer's best seller lists and hinting at possible legal consequences if Amazon did not change how it promoted this kind of material. The Ninth Circuit found that the letter did not violate the First Amendment because the letter did not "intimate[] that [Warren would] use her authority to turn the government's coercive power against the target if it does not change its ways" but merely expressed concern about Amazon's actions. In this case, by contrast, it is impossible to read the Harvard letter as doing anything other than making crystal clear that the administration will use its coercive power of the purse to punish the university if it does not change its ways.
There also can be no question that the demands the administration is making of Harvard are intended to suppress protected expression, of various kinds. To avoid the loss of federal funds, Harvard will have to refrain from advocating for, or empowering others to advocate for, the viewpoint that diversity, equality, and inclusion are important educational and social values. It will have to change how it oversees faculty research and teaching, and what kinds of scholarly viewpoints it hires and promotes. And it will have to suppress student speech and association, including core political expression, more severely than it has chosen to do so far—or at least it will have to promise to do so. Fundamentally, the letter uses the stick of funding cuts to undermine every single one of the "four essential freedoms"—the freedom "to determine for itself … who may teach, what may be taught, how it shall be taught, and who may be admitted to study"—that Justice Frankfurter, in concurring opinion in Sweezy v. New Hampshire, identified as core to the institutional autonomy that the U.S. constitution guarantees to universities.
It may be the case that some of the hiring practices that the letter requires Harvard to change are unprotected because they constitute, say, the kind of racial discrimination prohibited by Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Similarly, some of the student expression that Harvard will have to promise to regulate more strictly may not be protected because it constitutes involve fighting words, or discriminatory harassment prohibited by Title VI.
But there can be no doubt that much of what the administration is targeting here is protected speech and association, even under the most expansive interpretations of both Title VI and Title VII. After all, neither statute would ever give the government the power to decide when and how academic departments are ideologically captured, or insufficiently diverse in their viewpoints. Similarly, it is very difficult to see how Title VI would ever give the government the power to force universities like Harvard to strictly enforce their time, place, and manner rules, or ensure that senior administrators are responsible for disciplinary decisions. And that is to say nothing of the other demands, such as the demand to get rid of all DEI programming.
The fact that it lacks the power to simply legislate these changes is obviously an important reason why the Trump administration is instead attempting to use the stick of funding cuts to force Harvard to make them on its behalf. But the fact that the administration is proceeding in this informal manner, by negotiating with Harvard rather than ordering it to act, does not make its actions any less inconsistent with the First Amendment. If anything, it makes them only more troubling.
After all, as the example of Columbia University vividly demonstrates, the businesses that are typically targeted by these kinds of threats (including, evidently, non-profit educational businesses) will often choose to comply rather than fight them in court even when they have a very good chance of succeeding in that litigation. This is because these institutions will often believe, rationally enough, that it is more advantageous to maintain good relationships with the officials who oversee their operations than to defend the speech interests of the third parties (in this case, students and faculty) who use their property and resources to speak.
And when, as here, it is unclear exactly what is required to make the government happy, businesses targeted by these kinds of threats may restrict even more speech than officials expressly demand of them, to avoid any risk of retribution down the line. (In one case, for example, retailers accused of disseminating pornography who faced far milder threats of governmental retribution than Harvard faces now removed not only issues of Playboy and Penthouse magazines from their shelves, but also "out of an abundance of caution," also temporarily suspended the sale of American Photographer and Cosmopolitan magazines because they contained photographs of women with bare breasts.)
The result is that informal government threats and sanctions can create what Justice Brennan, in Bantam Books v. Sullivan, described as an "informal system … of regulation" that is not governed by the ordinarily speech-protective rules that govern the formal system but instead restricts whatever speech government officials want private actors to restrict, without judicial oversight. Powerful actors in the system can, in effect, sacrifice other people's speech interests in order to save their hide. And for this reason, the Court has recognized that this kind of "do it or else" approach to speech regulation creates, as Justice Brennan put it, "hazards to protected freedoms markedly greater than those that attend reliance upon the criminal law" and categorically prohibited it. (For a fuller version of this argument, see here.)
The fact that this kind of tactic can succeed in coercing even very rich and powerful institutions to comply demonstrates how effective, and dangerous, it can be as a tool of speech suppression. It also makes it essential to call the government out when it engages in this kind of "jawboning against speech." Even if it never actually cuts any of the university's money, the letter that the Trump administration sent to Harvard poses a very serious threat to the free speech values that Harvard itself has insisted is essential to its institutional mission.
Hopefully the fact that complying with the government's demands will require Harvard to abandon the values it has argued are "uniquely important" to it as an educational institution will mean that, in the end, the university will not choose the path of appeasement that Columbia has chosen so far but will instead defend its own institutional expressive interests, as well as those of its student and faculty, in court. If Harvard does give in, however, we should all recognize what it is doing—namely, enabling, and thereby encouraging, the unconstitutional actions of an administration that appears hellbent on destroying the independence of American higher education, one rich ivy-covered institution at a time.
I might have come to these results slightly differently; for instance, I'm not positive that Frankfurter's freedom of a university "to determine for itself on academic grounds … who may be admitted to study" entirely makes sense in the funding context (where, even beyond bans on race and sex discrimination, a state might be allowed to, for instance, condition funding for private universities on those universities' maintaining preferences for in-state students). But these are minor differences; in general, I think Prof. Lakier's analysis is correct and important.
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The problem Harvard has is that the shoe is on the other foot, and they're now getting stepped on. One sympathizes. Perhaps Harvard should have thought about that when they appointed that incompetent plagiarist Gay to the Presidency and then sent her to Capitol Hill where she loudly and proudly demonstrated her utter incompetence to the entire world. Harvard's deliberate and calculated inaction in the face of antisemitism, harassment, threats and intimidation, and vandalism earned them this unwanted Federal attention.
Harvard should worry about that 5B in Fed funding. It is on thin ice.
Spot on...!
I truly don't see the issue here -- SCOTUS has repeatedly stated that ED can actually do what it is merely threatening to do.
As to it being wise -- that's a different question, but as to Constitutional, it is. Congress explicitly delegated this authority when it set up ED in 1979 (if not before) and ED/OCR has been exercising this authority for at least the past 40 years (that I know of).
Like I have said before, permit a group of students to repeatedly chant "Send the Niggers Back to Africa" and ED/OCR will be all over you, Yale only had DKE chant "No means Yes, Yes means Anal" once outside the women's center and ED/OCR threatened them.
The wisdom of giving ED this authority is a different story -- and someone whom we know wants to abolish ED -- but this is like Leftists getting upset about being told that the (now abolished) 55 MPH speed limit applies to them as well.
Not in the least.
If, after due process of law specified by both the Constitution and the Civil Rights Act, a neutral tribunal finds not only that Harvard has done the alleged things but also that they are illegal - a highly questionable proposition for many if not most of them since there is at least a strong argument Trump is simply disagreeing with their speech or the speech of their students - THEN the DOE can withold funds related to the violation. Related to the violation, not all funds for any purpose whatsoever.
Trump’s letter calls for nothing like this.
Sir Thomas More: You threaten like a dockside bully.
Cromwell: How should I threaten?
More: Like a minister of state, with justice.
Cromwell: Oh justice is what you’re threatened with.
More: Than I am not threatened.
— Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
Exactly the same holds here.
Universities are NOT simply the tools or mouthpieces of government. Government, by spending money on them, does not acquire the right to make them so. They have an independent institutional autonomy that protects them as institutions.
This is why I have consistently said the “institutional rights” theory behind Griswold borders on legitimacy, and why I have consistently disagreed with Professor Volokh’s oft-repeated view that rights belong only to individuals. I think the Court’s institutional rights line of cases extending First Amendment protection to cover “institutional autonomy” for institutions (qua institutions) traditionally highly connected to speech and education is valid. And I think this example helps illustrate why.
As to Hillsdale and Grove City Colleges, I agree.
Definitely not to public institutions -- they have no more "institutional autonomy" than the state DPW or (better) State Police do. They are creatures of the state which can destroy them for no reason.
As to private colleges, for the past 60 years is that they waive it in order to receive the Federal largess. Now if that's unconstitutional, challenge it IN GENERAL (i.e. also challenge SD v. Dole and similar cases).
Don't play a ...but Trump....
And I am not sure that recipients have a the right to go in front of a judge BEFORE termination -- my guess is that they termnate a recipient and then the recipient can sue.
Do you think that there's a way you could find out, instead of just posting your own guesses?
"More: Than I am not threatened."
Narrator: He was threatened.
...but not with Justice. Which is actually the point.
Maybe with karma.
Casting Harvard as Thomas More is kind of funny: "We're the ones who are supposed to punish the heretics!"
The primary purpose of my reply was not to praise Harvard, and certainly not to compare Harvard to More. The reason I replied, and the purpose of the Robert Bolt quote, was to compare the tactics of a certain current President to those of Henry VIII and Cromwell.
Purple Martin beat me to it.
Reader Y’s analysis seems backwards to me.
Let us suppose that Congress appropriates funds for allocation to educational institutions, providing that no funds may be disbursed to institutions which discriminate between employees, students or suppliers on the basis of race.
The executive branch charged with executing these Congressional commands, is surely permitted to determine for itself whether any particular institution qualifies for funds or not. If and when an institution is denied funds by the executive branch, it can dispute the executive branch’s determination that it fails to qualify because of the proviso, in the courts.
The executive branch is not obliged to hand out money to all comers and then itself resort to the courts to claw it back.
Exactly. Just because previous administrations, including 45, let universities waste taxes, is no reason why it has to continue.
This particular line jumped out at me:
Good grief. DEI is explicitly against merit as being racist white supremacist oppression.
"Good grief. DEI is explicitly against merit as being racist white supremacist oppression."
This reminds me a lot of the CRT discussions when it became clear that essentially none of the anti-CRT folks had any idea what it actually was.
The President is obligated to abide by the laws Congress set.
USC 42 Sec. 2000d-1 provides that any enforcement action or withholding can only occur “after opportunity for hearing.” First hearing, THEN enforcement. That’s what Congress ordered.
The Executive Branch absolutely is obliged to do what Congress says. In this Country, Congress is boss, and the President has to do what Congress tells him to do. The President is a mere Article #2 in our Constitution. Congress is #1.
Mr. Trump doesn’t like it? You don’t like it? Tough shit. Take it up with Congress.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/2000d-1
Well, the letter is an opportunity to respond.
Did you even read the OP? It makes it quite clear this isn't about antisemitism.
Nor about the fact that you don't like the former Harvard President.
Nor about whatever happened to you that has made every single even slightly serious poster on here ask what the fuck happened to you?
It's about the Constitution. The First Amendment specifically. Remember that? You discarded it long ago in favor some weird 'shoe is on the other foot' thing, where your personal resentment about Covid and DEI and Israel excuses wrecking America's sacred institutions.
Sure it is, Sarcastr0 = It's about the Constitution.
It is about accountability, and how Harvard would like to avoid that.
Nobody owes "accountability" to Donald Trump. (Well, some do, like his national security team conducting wars on social media, but they're not having to provide it.)
It's not about personal accountability you clod. DJT is the President and represents in his office, the Executive power.
It isn't even that -- the 1965 Higher Ed Act REQUIRES violations of the 1st Amendment and SCOTUS upheld it.
Citations?
"The Office for Civil Rights enforces several Federal civil rights laws that prohibit discrimination in programs or activities that receive federal financial assistance from the Department of Education. Discrimination on the basis of race, color, and national origin is prohibited by Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964; sex discrimination is prohibited by Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972; discrimination on the basis of disability is prohibited by Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973; and age discrimination is prohibited by the Age Discrimination Act of 1975. These civil rights laws enforced by OCR extend to all state education agencies, elementary and secondary school systems, colleges and universities, vocational schools, proprietary schools, state vocational rehabilitation agencies, libraries, and museums that receive U.S. Department of Education funds. Areas covered may include, but are not limited to: admissions, recruitment, financial aid, academic programs, student treatment and services, counseling and guidance, discipline, classroom assignment, grading, vocational education, recreation, physical education, athletics, housing, and employment. OCR also has responsibilities under Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (prohibiting disability discrimination by public entities, whether or not they receive federal financial assistance). To view OCR's guidance please visit the Policy Guidance Portal. In addition, as of January 8, 2002, OCR enforces the Boy Scouts of America Equal Access Act (Section 9525 of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965, as amended by the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001). Under the Boy Scouts of America Equal Access Act, no public elementary school or State or local education agency that provides an opportunity for one or more outside youth or community groups to meet on school premises or in school facilities before or after school hours shall deny equal access or a fair opportunity to meet to, or discriminate against, any group officially affiliated with the Boy Scouts of America, or any other youth group listed in Title 36 of the United States Code as a patriotic society."
https://www.ed.gov/about/ed-offices/ocr/about-ocr
What part of that do you think either “REQUIRES violations of the 1st Amendment” or represents the Supreme Court upholding it?
Well, the Jennifer Keeton case did.
Was this the case where a woman was not permitted to counsel gay people that they were immoral? Where is the Higher Ed Act involved? SCOTUS did not hear the case.
The university in the Jennifer Keeton case didn’t argue that its treatment of her was required under the Higher Education Act of 1965, the courts that ruled for the school did so by finding that the treatment of her didn’t violate the First Amendment, , and the Supreme Court never heard the case.
Other than that, great point!
Josh, if Keeton had been a rape survivor, would she be required to counsel rapists? Or even men?
Keeton's offense was stating that *if* she had a gay client *and* the client sought counseling regarding gay issues, she would find him a different counselor who she thought could better help him.
The rules explicitly permit the rape survivor to do that -- she isn't even obligated to find the different counselor.
"The university in the Jennifer Keeton case didn’t argue that its treatment of her was required under the Higher Education Act of 1965"
No, a different organization operating under color did -- the APA whose program accreditation was required for program graduates to obtain a state license.
I'd argue that this was even MORE coercive because this was a threat of program shutdown and not just funds ending.
the courts that ruled for the school did so by finding that the treatment of her didn’t violate the First Amendment,
Which is why I am asking how the Columbia students have grounds for a suit, as this is 5th Circuit precedent, not binding on the 2nd but still relevant.
, and the Supreme Court never heard the case.
Lots of precedents are on the circuit level.
So… you agree that when you said that “ the 1965 Higher Ed Act REQUIRES violations of the 1st Amendment and SCOTUS upheld it” you were lying?
Or is this another case where the proof is in your dissertation?
I don’t know all the facts in the Keeton case, but I think it may have been wrongly decided. Doctors declining to address certain matters on conscience grounds has become fairly standard. Abortion and assisted suicide come to mind. I don’t see why this couldnmt be treated any differently.
Therapists have specialties. Pediatric and geriatric paychologists are not regarded as discriminating against old or young people; they simply specialize in the problems of particular segments of the population. Same with therapists who specialize in the problems of particular communities. What makes this any different? She could specialize in the problems of heterosexual couples. There are therapists who openly advertise that they specialize in the problems of gay couples, and they don’t get expelled or lose their licenses for doing so. Why should she be treated any differently?
This would impose some professionalism limits on her behavior that she would have to abide by. She would for example have to politely tell people that this is outside her specialty or that she is unable to do it, just as a pediatric therapist would do with an elderly couple, and just as doctors with conscientious objections currently do with people who want things like abortions or assisted suicides. But if she could live with those constraints, why should her preferred specialty and conscientious objection limits be treated any differently from anyone else’s?
"It isn't even that -- the 1965 Higher Ed Act REQUIRES violations of the 1st Amendment and SCOTUS upheld it."
Is that as true as everything else you have said, Dr. Ed 2?
Please cite the SCOTUS decision(s) you are referring to.
Still waiting for your SCOTUS citation(s), Dr. Ed 2.
Accountability FOR WHAT? What are you talking about? What is so important the *First Amendment* can be ignored?
It can't be antisemitism, this sweeps well beyond that. It can't be some past practice; this is an unprecedented level of top-down diktat.
So what the fuck do you mean, other than the King is owed fealty and the Constitution doesn't matter?
I mean, we all know your answer; you stopped thinking like a free person round about 2023.
"What is so important the *First Amendment* can be ignored?"
Preventing people from hearing people say that that there are two genders, according to you.
You keep bringing up this straw man. Once again, that was only in the K-12 context where a heckler's veto is permitted, and thus the conclusion the regulation was constitutionally permitted had nothing to do with what speech it was.
The rule in K-12 is that students are allowed to express their opinion if they don't cause disruption beyond the discomfort inherent in having other students hear opinions that they disagree with.
And in any event, why should there be a "heckler's veto" in K-12 schools.
But don't worry, I'm sure Trump can rationalize these restrictions in the same way that you've rationalized the government punishing people for saying that there are two genders.
No. If that discomfort causes (or is likely to cause) disruption, then the speech can be censored. That's the heckler's veto. And as Eugene put it, "That may not seem right to you but I don't make the law, I just make videos about it."
And once again, the above analysis has nothing whatsoever to do with the speech being "there are two genders." A K-12 school can equally ban "there are more than two genders" if that would cause disruption. Your straw man is pathetic.
There was no evidence that the T-Shirt was likely to cause disruption.
"That may not seem right to you but I don't make the law, I just make videos about it."
Certainly true. And if you're OK with that being the law, you have no business calling yourself a free speech supporter, and certainly no business calling others out for their lack of support for free speech.
As people like to point out, everything the Germans did to the Jews was legal under German law.
I'm ambivalent about K-12 restrictions. But, that's besides the point.
You brought up "two genders" as a "gotcha" that liberals like freedom of speech for speech they like but not so much for speech they don't like. That is, liberals' opinions about freedom of speech are viewpoint based. Your argument fails as a straw man because the "two genders" case is not about viewpoint.
The next time you haul this one out, skip the "two genders" part and simply argue that those who support freedom of speech at universities don't fully support in K-12, and you think that is wrong.
"the "two genders" case is not about viewpoint."
Yes it is. CA1 found that the T-Shit could be censored because its viewpoint demeaned a characteristic of personal identity and could cause psychological harm to other students.
And although this is not a heckler's veto case, any K-12 hecklers veto case is also about viewpoint, because schools are free to pick and choose which viewpoints to apply the rule to.
The heckler's veto in K-12 must be based on "facts which might reasonably have led school authorities to forecast substantial disruption" (Tinker), not whether the authorities like or dislike the viewpoint. In the two genders case, the appeals court concluded it is reasonable for the school to conclude demeaning students would lead to substantial disruption.
It concluded that the student wearing the two genders t-shirt might make it difficult for transgender students to learn.
That was the district's court's conclusion. The appeals court relied on substantial disruption.
Sigh. Yes, it said that the viewpoint would cause substantial disruption by upsetting transgender students.
Heck, people saying mean things about my president upsets me.
Right, that's the heckler's veto. The ruling stressed the substantial disruption conclusion had to be based on the likelihood of a disruption occurring because transgender students would react to being upset, and not based on whether the school thinks the "two gender" viewpoint is good or bad.
Usually in these cases the only disruption is that caused by the school itself.
12"P -- K-12 is different -- see the Bong Hits for Jesus case.
I think that case was wrongly decided, but...
Well, maybe Harvard can be different too.
MA Chapter 51A doesn't apply to Harvard -- only K-12 has mandated reporting laws.
"So what the fuck do you mean, other than the King is owed fealty and the Constitution doesn't matter?"
Actually, if you receive Federal funds, that is what it is.
See: South Dakota v. Dole, 483 U.S. 203 (1987)
As someone who disperses Federal funds, You ought to know this...
Dr. Ed 2, have you even read South Dakota v. Dole, 483 U.S. 203 (1987)?
Incident to the spending power, Congress may attach conditions on the receipt of federal funds. However, exercise of the power is subject to certain restrictions, including that it must be in pursuit of "the general welfare."
The operative words there are "Congress" and "the spending power." Nothing in Dole authorizes the Executive Branch to unilaterally impose conditions on the receipt of federal funds.
If ED/OCR doesn't have the delegated authority to negotiate settlements of violations, they've been acting illegally for 46 years. As has the EPA because they do the same thing.
You well may be right -- but 46 years with no one noticing?
You’re missing the point. Not guilty isn’t saying that there can’t be conditions on the receipt of federal funds; he’s saying (accurately) that those conditions have to be set by Congress when the funds are appropriated (and even then, there are limits. The executive can certainly verify compliance, but it can’t just make up new terms wholesale.
And the cheap bastards at Harvard don't want to dip into their own endowments. Harvard is sitting on what? 50 billion? more? Let them spend their own monies if they don't want accountability.
"It is about accountability, and how Harvard would like to avoid that."
XY, have your read National Rifle Association of America v. Vullo, 602 U.S. 175, 144 S.Ct. 375 (2024)? Yes or no?
Still waiting, XY. Have you or have you not read Vullo?
"The First Amendment specifically. Remember that? You discarded it long ago in favor some weird 'shoe is on the other foot' thing,"
Says the guy who thinks it's OK for the government to punish people for saying that there are two genders.
Yeah, the purported concern for freedom of speech is so belated and narrowly applied that it's hard to put much credence in it being the real motivation here.
Narrow my ass.
Read the OP. This isn't special pleading, and it's pretty ridiculous you would even gesture that way.
GaslightO, ED is doing exactly what your bureaucracy has been doing for years. There is *no difference* between you telling recipients what they must do and ED telling Harvard.
Are you on glue this morning? Who or what was ever punished for saying two genders? You anarchists are in full mode today.
https://lawandcrime.com/first-amendment/court-sides-with-school-that-sent-7th-grader-home-over-there-are-only-two-genders-t-shirt/
They sent a kid home? Oh my god
What do you think would have had de returned with the same shirt on?
Another pro-censorship commentor. The First Amendment really isn't all that popular, is it?
That's still a government infringement on speech. Not as bad as a criminal fine, and not as bad that much more as jailing him, but it is still the government taking adverse action because of a content based restriction on speech.
"America's sacred institutions."
Harvard? Sacred?
Sorry, I don't participate in whatever weird religion this is.
Its a hedge fund with a college attached. BlackRock but with a Latin motto.
Hedge funds are experiencing their most significant margin calls since the onset of the Covid-19 crisis...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/economy/hedge-funds-face-biggest-margin-calls-since-2020-amid-tariff-turmoil-ft-reports/ar-AA1CoxrX
"Its a hedge fund with a college attached. BlackRock but with a Latin motto."
That is a bit mean, but it is also hard to argue with. Given the rate at which the endowment has grown in the past thirty years, it is hard to support the claim that the fund is just there to advance Harvard's historical educational missions.
As for the claim of Harvard being a "sacred institution" that is just far-over-the top" silliness.
I have to agree with you, Sarcastr0. XY peddled high affinity to principles and civility. But since Jan 20, in front of all our eyes he's shed it all. I no longer trust him as a person. Just another one lost to the fever
Commenter_XY was once a decent and thoughtful fellow. I suspect that since October 7, 2023, however, he has viewed the world through Jew colored glasses with blinders.
Not to mention that Donald Trump farted and blew XY's brains out. He is now a total Trump sycophant.
"Jew colored glasses"?
No wonder you support Harvard and it's anti-Semitic policies.
No, I don't support anti-semitic policies, at Harvard or elsewhere.
As an aside, though, Palestinians as well as Jews are semitic peoples.
You just used a derogatory phrase to describe another poster. If a conservative had used such a phrase you would have loudly denounced that poster.
Commenter_XY is loud and proud about being Jew-centric. I doubt that he would take offense at anyone noticing and commenting upon that.
I was merely turning a metaphorical phrase as to how XY's pronounced tribal affinity colors his worldview, in a similar manner to that of rose colored glasses distorting the wearer's perspective.
No. You were using a derogatory phrase that if used by a conservative you would claim was proof of their anti-Semitism.the fact that Commenter_XY is Jewish does not excuse your use of the derogatory phrase.
I would guess he thinks "Jew colored glasses" are green eyeshades! Nothing antisemitic in that...
Oh noes won't someone think of our sacred institution's!!! Like "Harvard" and all it's billionaires?!?!!
The problem Harvard has is that the shoe is on the other foot,
Another version of your standard "elections have consequences" BS. So now, in your addled brain, Trump can do absolutely anything he wants. Horseshit.
The government has zero business interfering with Harvard's curriculum.
To avoid the loss of federal funds, Harvard will have to refrain from advocating for, or empowering others to advocate for, the viewpoint that diversity, equality, and inclusion are important educational and social values. It will have to change how it oversees faculty research and teaching, and what kinds of scholarly viewpoints it hires and promotes.
That's the action of a tyrant. "You can only hire people I approve of, and not teach anything I disagree with."
MAGA is not only trying to destroy our economy, and our alliances, it's trying to destroy our universities as well.
But XY loves all of it.
Harvard...can always say no to the money.
That taking money provides no strings attached is silly.
"The government has zero business interfering with Harvard's curriculum."
Agreed.
The matter of no masks during protests, demonstrations, heckling speakers, etc. has little to do with the first amendment. It is similar to the state of MA prohibiting covers of car plates that tend to obscure rapid recognition of the plate numbers.
Accountability: S-_0 asked to whom? The Harvard Corporation does need to be accountable for the use of funds provided, whether from alumni, philanthropists, or governments.
Is the Trump Administration being extremely heavy-handed? Yes.
The Harvard Corporation does need to be accountable for the use of funds provided, whether from alumni, philanthropists, or governments.
Accountable to the extent that the funds have to be used for the purposes for which they were granted. You can't use a physics research grant to build a football stadium.
But not accountable to every whim of the President.
No argument there either.
Harvard does have ~$10B of endowment that is unrestricted. I'd claim that they have a certain accountability to Cambridge and the State of MA for the many services rendered that their non-payment of taxes do not support.
Harvard, like many universities, makes PILOT payments.
Bernard, these are old rules just goring someone else's ox.
All of your horribles ALREADY EXIST -- Harvard is what it is today BECAUSE OF these rules. All Trump is doing is visibly exercising the authority that Clinton, Obama, & Biden quietly exercised.
No. They are not old rules. They are an outpouring of RW grievances. That's all.
The authority to address them is old.
Harvard has a 50 billion dollar endowment. They cant force congress to fund it. Seems to me, government speech is at issue here and the government gets to promote its message. If Harvard takes government money, they need to follow government conditions, or reject the money.
If Harvard has a claim on existing contracts or grants, thats a separate issue. They may win that, but also strategically lose the war because there will be no future money.
https://pacificlegal.org/plf-and-the-history-of-unconstitutional-conditions/
What are the limits on that? Harvard couldn't practice racial segregation, for example, and still get federal funds. Nobody argues that is unconstitutional.
Is it just that DEI is within the Overton window of modern political debate whereas segregation is settled? What constitutional principle allows for that?
The contours of the unconditional conditions doctrine makes up a whole-ass body of law.
But your questions are kind of obvious. There is no constitutional right to practice racial segregation, absent outlier cases like expressive association.
As the OP lays out, forbidding DEI has a vagueness problem such that plenty of what seems to be targeted is speech and association, and none of it falls within current statutory authority for the federal government to touch.
But the claim is that it does. The argument is that DEI is on the same page as racial segregation. One is free to disagree with that comparison, but everything you say could apply to segregation as well: speech and association.
I'm just confused where the distinction comes from. There is no constitutional right to practice DEI either. It just seems that because we all agree that segregation is bad that moves it out of the way--that because DEI is debatable by reasonable people, only then do free speech protections kick in.
"I'm just confused where the distinction comes from."
Doesn't it come from Bob Jones University v. United States, where scotus pulled it out of its rear end by uttering the "compelling interest" incantation?
The OP argues:
Advocation is speech. In contrast, Bob Jones prohibited interracial marriage, an act of discriminatory conduct. Had they merely advocated for miscegenation, they should have prevailed.
"In contrast, Bob Jones prohibited interracial marriage, an act of discriminatory conduct."
They chose who they were going to deliver their message to? Sounds like speech to me.
They weren't denied tax exempt status because of what they said or who they said it to. They were denied because they discriminated on the basis of race in not permitting a white student from marrying a black student.
"not permitting a white student from marrying a black student."
Not permitting in the sense that they would choose not to teach to a white student who had married a black student, no?
They would not admit the students. That's no different than not admitting black students at all. Are you arguing Bob Jones has a freedom of speech right to not admit black students because there is speech involved in teaching?
1. Yes, I am arguing that. Is there a counterargument?
2. "speech involved in teaching" Be careful not to strain yourself.
Josh, they first wouldn't admit Blacks, and then would only admit married Blacks. By the time the IRS code got changed, they were admitting unmarried Blacks, but prohibiting interracial dating. Or interracial marriage, and I somehow suspect premarital sex of any combination.
Remember too that this is IRS tax code and not Federal funding -- which is why I think that SD v Dole more relevant -- that was SD losing high way funds if it refused to deny young people a civil right.
The counterargument is it's a regulation of conduct that incidentally burdens speech.
If you were correct, then anti-discrimination law would be effectively nullified. For example, you can justify not serving blacks in your restaurant because you have to talk to them.
If you claim that teaching at a religious school is no more expressive than taking someone's order, sure. But no one would be dumb enough to claim that.
Accepting that (secular or religious) teaching is expressive, that would mean that anti-discrimination law is unconstitutional as applied to any service or employment involving teaching. Blacks can be excluded from teaching or attending schools of any type. Sorry, you cannot automatically extend who you service, admit or hire just because the function is expressive.
Instead, the analysis comes under expressive associational rights (does who you service, admit or hire impact your ability to speak).
Advocated in what way? What if they had curriculum that was mandatory for students in which they taught that miscegenation was evil and that those who practiced it were going to hell? What if they enlisted the campus to picket the residences of interracial couples to "minister" to them? What if they had tests in these anti-miscegenation classes where the statement that mixed marriages were okay was the "wrong" answer and garnered a failing grade? I don't believe that SCOTUS would have allowed any of that.
How is this curriculum different than the so called gender and women's studies classes required by many universities? As was pointed out---SCOTUS was on a mission to eliminate this type of racial thought, so it was okay, while the powers that be remain sympathetic to DEI.
There is a First Amendment right to free speech and expression, which encompasses what a university teaches.
There is not a First Amendment right to tax exempt status and charitable deductions for contributions to a university. See e.g., Bob Jones University v. United States, 461 U.S. 574, 602-604 (1983).
There isn't a First Amendment right to federal funding either. I don't see any daylight between these two lines of cases. The Trump Administration is taking the position that DEI is racial discrimination, no different than if Harvard was discriminating against blacks, and it is taking action as if they were doing so.
Simply because there is a robust debate about whether DEI is indeed the same thing as traditional racial discrimination does not mean that a new administration cannot take one position or the other.
You see no way to legally distinguish between:
1. Being unable to get a tax benefit if you don't quit segregating under a duly promulgated IRS rule, and
2. Being unable to compete for federal grants if you have academic programs the administration declares it doesn't like.
To wv: The OP claims the administration is requiring no advocacy for DEI, including in their curriculum. That's speech even if DEI is discrimination.
Quite a bit of what gets treated as racial harassment is obviously speech. It still gets treated as racial harassment, though.
Is it possible to advocate racial discrimination, without being engaged in racial harassment? I suppose that it is, as a theoretical matter. I doubt as a practical matter it's very likely.
Harassment must be unwelcome conduct directed at specific people that is pervasive. Not speech. Or, at least not general advocacy without a specific target.
I think your examples are all protected by the First Amendment, not withstanding the result in Bob Jones. To be sure, SCOTUS did apply strict scrutiny to uphold the tax exemption. But, that was a Free Exercise case where strict scrutiny (before Employment Division) was far less strict than Freedom of Speech cases.
The argument is that DEI is on the same page as racial segregation.
wvatorney13 — Note that the government's demand is not merely that the universities cease practicing DEI, or requiring so-called diversity statements from new hires. The demand includes abolishing discussion or advocacy of DEI among students and faculty.
Here is Florida's definition:
"“Diversity, Equity and Inclusion” or “DEI” is any program, campus activity, or policy that classifies individuals on the basis of race, color, sex, national origin, gender identity, or sexual orientation and promotes differential or preferential treatment of individuals on the basis of such classification."
"Discussion or advocacy" is pretty broad. If you mean that two students getting high in their dorm room can't talk to each other about how DEI should be part of campus life, then I agree that this goes too far.
If you are talking about having faculty coordinate with students to back door DEI into the university, then I think we are just in Bob Jones territory.
Could the University of Alabama have held mandatory classes teaching about how much of a shame it was that good white people had to go to school with lazy, shiftless blacks and have tests on the inferiority of the African race? I think SCOTUS would have seen that charade for what it was.
The real problem is (a) hostile environment and particularly when (b) created by other students.
It's not clear to me that, motte and bailey defenses aside, forbidding DEI actually has all that much of a vagueness problem in practice. Rather, it appears that you just desperately want to believe that DEI, in practice, doesn't really consist of racial discrimination and harassment.
But that's not a claim the general public has decided to credit, and for good cause.
It's not clear to me that, motte and bailey defenses aside, forbidding DEI actually has all that much of a vagueness problem in practice
Brett Bellmore's definition of DEI does not appear to be referenced in the latter at issue here.
According to Lakier,
It must cease all DEI programming on campus, as well as adopt a "merit-based" system of admissions and hiring
What exactly is "DEI programming ?" A speaker advocating for DEI? A teacher discussing the topic in class?
A merit-based system? Does that mean eliminating preferences for legacies, or athletes?
That's where I am at on this. When it IS racial discrimination and harassment nobody argues that the feds can ban funding on the condition that it stops. See Bob Jones University and the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Nobody argues that the speech and association components must stop. There would be no problem in holding that after integration the University of Alabama couldn't allow the KKK on campus to harass the black students or have the professors hurl racial epithets at them daily in class. Those would rightly be considered a necessary part of eliminating the racial discrimination even if it burdens the association rights of the university and speech rights of the professors.
That's not different here, except as you say, those arguing against it believe that DEI is a different belief--not REALLY a racist belief, but at minimum a sort of hybrid belief that deserves having the contrary voices heard in any way imaginable, unlike those voices opposed to integration.
Those opposed to integration tried and failed with this very same argument. The only distinction is that those on the other side refuse to see DEI as cut from the same cloth.
Nobody argues that the speech and association components must stop.
No, they are - that's the point of the OP! "cease all DEI programming" is not "don't let the KKK harass students" and it's amazing you're here trying to claim they're the same thing.
And then you analogize defense of DEI to defense of segregation. Again, without doing any work to explain what DEI is, much less why that analogy plays.
In the end, your post is a lot of words to say 'it's okay to ban bad things, and DEI is a bad thing like the other bad things.'
You've done no work engaging with the OP whose entire argument is that this is untrue, and conflates conduct with speech.
We integrated schools due to a Supreme Court decision, and plenty of civil rights legislation. The fact that this is an angry letter should alone let you know what's going on here is not the same.
There are literally hundreds of examples of real life DEI resulting in real racial discrimination against real people.
Next you’ll be arguing for separate but equal dorms.
'real life DEI' is still not a definition.
Oh, come on. You are not that stupid or clueless.
I know it's difficult to believe, but I'm starting to think he might be...
Doesn't he work for the Federal Government?
"There is no constitutional right to practice racial segregation, absent outlier cases like expressive association."
Under free speech principles, why wouldn't a speaker have the right to choose who he speaks to, regardless of whether or not SCOTUS has said that the First Amendment protects such a right?
There are similar vagueness problems with forbidding harassment, but that hasn't bothered the left.
On permits.
Again, Harvard doesnt need to take the money and congress doesnt have to fund it. Contracts are by mutual agreement.
There's a ton of sources on this. I chose a more narrative one. But it makes it very clear that isn't just about permits.
Here's their nut quote, and it's a good one:
"[T]he power of the state . . . is not unlimited; and one of the limitations is that it may not impose conditions which require relinquishment of constitutional rights. If the state may compel the surrender of one constitutional right as a condition of its favor, it may, in a like manner, compel a surrender of all. It is inconceivable that guarantees embedded in the Constitution of the United States may thus be manipulated out of existence."
Frost v. Railroad Commission of State of California,
This is also at the core of the Citizens United decision, where government may not compel The People to give up their rights, free speech in this case, as the cost of admission to partaking in Congressional creations like corporations.
They take their rights with them wherever they go.
Hold on. That's different.
dwb68, do you understand that when Harvard, in the persons of its administrators, faculty, and researchers, bids on and wins a government grant, it is not getting a handout of funds from the government? It is instead being awarded the grant on the basis of undertaking obligations of performance, to accomplish something government wanted done, for legitimate government purposes.
In that context, Harvard cannot legitimately be singled out for constraints that do not apply alike constitutionally to others. Which opens this question for you: Do you assert that the federal government has power to dictate to all private universities the same impositions with which it has threatened Harvard?
While you are mulling that over, reflect for a moment on what you will conclude if whatever answer you come up with gets applied alike to the gun industry.
Its not just about existing grants its about future ones. maybe they can live without future grants?
So could a Harvard grantee take federal funds and refuse to hire black people? Or people from African nations?
Gun companies - already highly regulated - accept government conditions if and when they accept government contracts to supply guns to the government.
Harvard couldn't do that whether or not it took federal funds.
Stephen -- yes, and it's supposed to.
And the gun industry is a recipient of ED funding???
That's where I am having troubling wrapping my head around the argument. To get a grant in the first place, you must satisfy the government that you are taking steps A through Z. You have a constitutional right to not do any of A through Z. You can sit around all day on the porch, drink whiskey, and complain that blacks are ruining the country.
I have every right to do that, but if I do, I don't get a federal grant. How are the conditions, one of which you admit is "to accomplish something the government wanted done" unconstitutional when my speech or actions are contrary to what the government wants done with its money?
You have a constitutional right to not do any of A through Z.
What right is that?
T&C's do not infringe on speech. This does.
Easy argument.
The right of liberty. I can refuse to do any work or refuse to do anything. I can do any legal activity or forego any legal activity so long as I forego being paid. There's no law requiring me to do A through Z and unless they are rare things like jury service or conscription, the government cannot force me to do them. The Thirteenth Amendment, if you will.
But like almost everyone who works, I choose to forego some of my freedoms in exchange for money. How is this meaningfully different?
It is meaningfully different that Harvard is not an employee of government. Just as you would not forego your at-work freedoms if you were a private entrepreneur instead of an employee.
It's simple. Like Hillsdale, don't take the money and do whatever you like as long as you don't break any laws in the process.
Bingo!
Do you have an example of a real university?
Channeling the Rev, eh?
No, Dave.
For some reason I get occasional mailings, usually styled as surveys, from Hillsdale, trying to raise funds. My impression of the school comes mostly from reading these things.
It doesn't strike me as an open-minded place, not surprising since it seems to have only nine active faculty, including the laughable Mollie Hemingway.
It's a small college, to be sure. But where the heck did you get the idea that they only had nine active faculty?
here
And Hemingway shouldn't count.
Your "here" isn't a link. It's just "here" in italics.
Try here, instead.
According to their website, they have 1,500 full time students, and "170 full-time instructional faculty, 91% with terminal degree in their discipline"
Harvard did not break any rules. It is Trump that is illegal threatening the funds.
Au contraire:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_Fair_Admissions_v._Harvard
Do you think they are still doing that, after the Supreme Court ruled?
Yes...
Well, not right out in the open, anyway. Not very well concealed, either.
If the Admin wants to go after them based on Brett's latest 'number can only be explained by a conspiracy', they could have done that.
But they didn't.
It's hardly a secret conspiracy when your org chart lists the department in charge of committing the discrimination.
Brett's definition of DEI does not comport with the facts or the law.
It is a conspiracy theory of yours that they're actually doing these other things you have no evidence for, not what they say they're doing.
It is perhaps fortunate for Professor Lakier's argument that the publishers of the nation's largest electronic publishers are in private hands controlled by avowed allies of Donald Trump. If that were not so, some of Lakier's points would surely be picked up to renew charges of government censorship of citizen speech by those big platforms. With erstwhile critics of a free press now mollified that press constraints will likely break their way, that picture has turned around pretty suddenly.
Harvard pleads poverty and the libertarians come running to help.
Lenin called these folks “useful idiots”.
Liberty. The issue is liberty, not money.
A certain segment of MAGA thinks everything is down to $$
A certain segment of MAGA thinks everything is down to $$
So, too, the Democratic cohort from the "What's the matter with Kansas?" wing, who are constantly trying to learn 'em their primary interest, and therefore their votes, should belong to the party throwing the most money at them, and not their fixations on non-monetary issues like guns and abortion.
What is the solution to the current situation where Marxists aided by spineless academics take over American universities and demand that taxpayers fund their Marxism, racism and antisemitism?
This is MAGA's core. Just symbols and loathing; no specific facts.
No need for a solution, Kevin, since that hasn't happened. You've been reading too much hysterical RW propaganda.
The DOE has been sending out similar letters for years, including telling schools that if someone expresses a "harassing" viewpoint, the school could be required to voice opposition to that viewpoint.
And the IRS certainly infringed on Bob Jones University's right to "to determine for itself … who may be admitted to study".
This letter, like the Lhamon letters, certainly violate the Universities Free Speech rights, and the Trump administration should use these unconstitutional conditions to restore Harvard's funding. But instead of selectively advocating for the constructional constitutions doctrine to be forced against Trump. Academic free speech advocates should be figuring out a framework that prevents conditions from being attached to funding in all cases.
"a framework that prevents conditions from being attached to funding in all cases"
The simplest approach would be to just stop expecting to be funded by the government.
The simplest approach is to not expect an authoritarian to start going wild with unconstitutional conditions, and to not support them when they do just because you like which side of the culture wars they come down on.
Seriously, expecting to get money without conditions is insane. "He who pays the piper calls the tune."
How long did you expect that basic principle to be held in abeyance? In fact, it was never held in abeyance, you just liked the tune being called before.
Read what I wrote - unconstitutional conditions.
Of course, they didn't get money without conditions!
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-2/subtitle-A/chapter-II/part-200/subpart-D is a good start, though most agencies add their own T&Cs as well.
And that doesn't even get into the certifications and representations...
"(a) The Federal agency or pass-through entity must manage and administer the Federal award in a manner so as to ensure that Federal funding is expended and associated programs are implemented in full accordance with the U.S. Constitution, applicable Federal statutes and regulations—including provisions protecting free speech, religious liberty, public welfare, and the environment, and those prohibiting discrimination—and the requirements of this part. The Federal agency or pass-through entity must communicate to a recipient or subrecipient all relevant requirements, including those contained in general appropriations provisions, and incorporate them directly or by reference in the terms and conditions of the Federal award."
And it's the current administration's position that DEI programs violate this clause on multiple grounds. It seems to me that they have a strong case for that.
The administration says a lot of shit.
They're avoiding the available processes to establish their claims.
That's because they're lying - it's a sop for suckers like you.
This letter shows that this isn't actually about discrimination, it's about attacking schools. And speech.
Authoritarianism. So of course you're a fan.
"They're avoiding the available processes to establish their claims."
What does this mean? The executive branch enforces the law. If someone believes that they are enforcing it improperly then the burden is on that party to go to court. The executive doesn't need to go to court before enforcing the law to get permission and make sure it is doing it right.
If Harvard is not "conspiring" to have a back door DEI then all of these demands are not applicable to them and they are already complying.
"And the IRS certainly infringed on Bob Jones University's right to "to determine for itself … who may be admitted to study"."
Exactly. The whole issue seems to be that those on the other side simply don't believe that DEI is racial discrimination. That's not their call to make and it belies common sense.
The "determine for itself ... who may be admitted" is an expressive association argument having nothing to do with DEI.
You continue to confuse DEI practices (conduct that may or may not be discriminatory) with advocacy for DEI (speech).
Advocacy for hate speech - - - -
Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment. But even if it were not, advocacy for unlawful conduct is protected by the First Amendment unless it incites imminent lawless conduct.
They can't be that good, how far did they go in "March Madness"
May I suggest that the learned professors look at South Dakota v. Dole, 483 U.S. 203 (1987), Bob Jones University v. United States, 461 U.S. 574 (1983), and Grove City College v. Bell, 465 U.S. 555 (1984)?
When it passed the Higher Ed Act in 1965, in it's infinite wisdom, the US Congress stipulated that those receiving funds must comply with the 1964 Civil Rights Act -- and delegated enforcement to the Executive Branch. It has subsequently also done likewise with Defense of Scouting Act and the Constitution Day Observance Mandate.
ED may be reducing to writing what in the past were telephone conversations, but ED has been doing stuff like this for the past 50 years. If it's unconstitutional now, it was unconstitutional then.
May I suggest you read the OP.
It which talks a lot about the CRA and their scope is not a blank check for the administration; the things being demanded are outside the scope of any statutory authority.
Which makes sense because the CRA doesn't break the First Amendment, and these demands do.
Your lies about past practice that only you know about don't really move the needle. No one believes you anymore anyway.
May I suggest you're not down with OPP
And Gaslight0 is illiterate.
https://www.ed.gov/about/ed-offices/ocr/serial-reports-regarding-ocr-activities
Annual reports do tend to indicate past practices, at least in most dimensions of reality.
See also: https://ocrcas.ed.gov/ocr-search?f%5B0%5D=it%3APost%20Secondary
And this is relevant because it was written to the woman who would hold his job for the next four years (2021-25)
https://www.ed.gov/sites/ed/files/about/offices/list/ocr/correspondence/federal-entities/20191004-usccr-first-amendment-letter.pdf
The colleges are in compliance with the Civil Rights Act.
which is as much a "Civil Rights Act" as the Holy Roman Empire, was Holy, Roman, or an Empire
Oh, really?!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_Fair_Admissions_v._Harvard
"Currently, there is a double standard, with antisemitic speech that might contribute to a hostile environment treated with much more equanimity than speech hostile to other groups. This is illegal discrimination against Jewish students..." (source)
Wrong in quite a few ways.
1. That case *changed the law* so Harvard was in compliance before it.
2. After the case, Harvard changed their admissions standards, so they were in compliance after it.
3. MollyGodiva used the present tense "are", so a 2023 case isn't going to get there regardless.
And your NRO opinion piece's full quote starts: "That, in fact, is the broader reason wokesters are hostile to AAA. Currently..." for those who think itis a serious article.
It also doesn't mention Harvard.
1. No, that case didn't change the law. It changed the judiciary's policy of not upholding it.
2. Except that they weren't, really. The discrimination just went underground and got relabeled.
Rejecting how the law works and speculating your way into delusions is neither an argument nor the university's problem.
You know, I'm not the one standing athwart the Court's ongoing rejection of the idea that there's "good discrimination" and yelling "Stop!". You are.
The general public have long since rejected the idea of racial discrimination as a cure for racial discrimination; Even in California the voters reject it at the ballot box. Now the Court is finally giving up on tolerating it.
And DEI is just the left's latest excuse to keep discriminating, today, tomorrow, and forever.
I've said nothing about the Court stopping, actually. I said new opinions are not retroactive, and you're making stuff up.
Your response is...populist white grievance. It often ends up there with you when race comes up.
To me the Bob Jones case is on all fours here. You cannot nominally eliminate racial segregation and keep the vestiges of it. You cannot admit blacks but prohibit interracial relationships. You cannot pretend to comply with the SCOTUS case but keep your DEI offices and try to find ways to work around the decision.
They tried that in the south after Brown and that didn't work out. Massive resistance, closing the public schools, seg academies. All struck down as a violation of Brown.
The same here. They must comply, not just feign compliance and put forward a massive resistance of their own.
Harvard is free to forswear the public dime and act as it pleases. The analogies posed by the Professor are not persuasive to me.
Any arguments to offer, or just broadcasting your personal opinion?
Prof. Lakier is just giving a personal opinion and a slanted one at that, like a lawyer would do for a client.
The only value of the opinion is that government is a problem for all of us. Government grows to strong, it must be beaten back. And, by giving funds to un-worthy causes creates extra worthlessness of effort in the People's name. Big education should be beaten back too.
A diploma becomes a thing in itself and says nothing about the person who's name is on it. Diplomas convey neither knowledge or ability, nor wisdom, because the student is not challenged in an apprenticeship type of setting. Testing does not convey achievement in all the factors beforehand to produce a viable citizen worthy of inclusion in society. Besides, without a durable standard, exposed for all to examine, and used by all higher learning, a diploma is but a scrap of parchment.
Even so, standards do have variations, such as when one replaces a toilet. The dimensions for placement remain the same, but hardware may have both English and metric nuts and bolts.
Bare opinion is not the same as opinion bolstered with argument.
You have arguments. Though most are ipse dixit. And none of them get at the freedom of speech issue.
I would have thought the first sentence of my broadcasted opinion made my point. The cases cited by Prof. Lakier such as NRA v. Vullo involved government threatening to cause direct harm to a private entity because it was hostile to the very essence of its being. The Trump administration did no such thing with respect to Harvard and Columbia. NRA was not receiving public money that the government threatened to pull: the threat was directed by the State of New York against the ability of NRA to obtain access to financial services such as banking with the purpose of driving them out of business. It is a shoddy analogy.
That Harvard is free to forswear the public dime is not a choice that NRA had to avert harm. By doing so Harvard can tell Trump to take a flying you know what and preserve its sense of academic integrity, however true or imaginary, it chooses. It is not an entirely unheard of thing (Hillsdale College, for example) and with its 52-billion dollar endowment I'm confident that Harvard can weather this "threat" to whatever extent it wants.
Hey, where's my $400 mil? My First Amendment rights are freezing over here.
Grants are not charity.
and if you mention "Charity" again, I'll have your legs broken
So here's a question for the Professor.
Using Bob Jones University v United States as a basis...
How does this decision exceed that of Bob Jones, where the federal government decided to completely revoke the tax exempt status of a education of higher learning, with a legitimate religious belief, in pursuit of the government's interests?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Jones_University_v._United_States
We've been here before. Bob Jones was punished for their conduct, not their speech.
And how many of the items the administration demands are in relation to conduct? Seems like they all are.
Their academic programs and departments, and advocacy for DEI are speech.
The Trump administration letter says (implies?) that the discriminatory / harassing conduct is intimately connected with / is a direct (& predictable) consequence of "[certain] academic programs and departments" and the DEI structure.
There is no exception to freedom of speech that runs like that.
Look at all the nine year olds Armchair didn’t kill.
I'm for Academic Freedom but Harvard endowing that Ayatollah Khomeini chair of Anti-Zionism is a bit much.
I bet that, even if they did that, Prof. Lakier (and Prof. Volokh?) would still object to cutting off their federal funding.
"Academic freedom" is fine, just not on the public dime.
Federal grants don't go to schools just 'cause the government is a big fan.
They are competitively rewarded for proposals promising to perform some work on behalf of the public good like research or infrastructure improvements.
A very weak argument.
Someone please explain to me why Harvard, Columbia, or any school has a Constitutional right to $400 million in funding from the federal government.
Or to even ONE DOLLAR in funding?
You have the question utterly wrong.
It's not a right to the funding (though they've earned it by winning grants competitions); it's that the government can't withhold it to compel their speech.
Not really. If the colleges don't have a RIGHT to the funding, then the funding can't be a Constitutionally protected RIGHT. It's a privilege, not a right at all. I know there is case law, but a court can't create a right, it can only confirm an existing right. So, no right to get the funding in the first place means no right to not get it stopped. Elections (must) have consequences. Otherwise, we just have judicial oligarchy, not democracy.
Yeah, it doesn't work that way. You don't have a right to get unemployment benefits, but that does not mean that the government can cancel the unemployment benefits you were getting because you criticized the government.
Well, I'd say the Civil Rights Act was fairly clear cut in what it forbids, leaving universities free to run their affairs so long as they avoided discrimination.
Of course, that's not how the law has been administered in practice.
You operated a dual state-school system before the Civil Rights Act, with some schools for Blacks and some for Whites? Well, do you think you can comply with the Civil Rights Act simply by adopting nondiscriminatory admission policies for the future? Don't be so naive - you need to adjust the curricula of your traditionally-White and traditionally-Black schools.
You have rules against sexual misconduct? Good - but are they the *right* kind of rules? We hope those rules don't provide too much protection to accused students - that would be sexist!
Do you have rules allowing free speech on campus? Tread cautiously! If you allow too much racist and sexist speech you could be illegally tolerating a hostile environment!
And so on.
Now Trump is trying to take that and run with it, e. g., by looking at inadequacies in the disciplinary policies against racially harassing behavior toward Jews.
(I know that Trump is Hitler, so he's obviously playing some kind of serious multidimensional chess by focusing on the rights of Jews. Harvard, in contrast, with its lengthy, unimpeachable history of nondiscrimination toward Jews, should be indignant at any accusation of discrimination.)
This take is incredibly ignorant of administrative law.
Did I praise Trump's administrative procedures or something? (Hint: I didn't).
Oh, look, Laura Kipnis seems to share my ignorance of administrative law:
https://reason.com/2025/04/07/trump-columbia-free-speech-obama-biden-title-ix/
Oh, look, disingenuous stooges gather at reason.com.
Moe couldn't even *pronounce* disingenuous. He's almost as retarded as you.
Hillsdale College can teach what it wants because it takes no Federal money. Harvard has that option.
Heck, it's a lot easier for Harvard, because they're wealthy.
The joke is, Hillsdale didn't reject federal funding because they wanted to discriminate. They rejected it in order to AVOID being forced to discriminate.
it's a lot easier for Harvard, because they're wealthy.
I know you're not this stupid