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Coastal Judges Play Keep-Away From The Fifth Circuit
The Trump administration detains individuals in Texas and Louisiana, yet federal courts on the Amtrak Corridor continue to exercise jurisdiction.
Fights over forums are not new. Long before national injunctions flew from Amarillo and San Francisco, the executive branch sought to control where legal challenges could be filed. Perhaps the most prominent such recent example was Guantanamo Bay. The Bush Administration detained enemy combatants on the military base to avoid federal habeas jurisdiction. That plan, however, did not work out. In a series of cases leading to Boumedienne v. Bush (2008), the federal courts in the District of Columbia asserted jurisdiction over Guantanamo Bay.
However, the Bush Administration did secure a venue victory in another case: Rumsfeld v. Padilla (2004). At the time, the Fourth Circuit was considered the most conservative circuit in the country. And in that case, the Bush Administration detained Jose Padilla, a declared "enemy combatant," in a South Carolina military prison. A habeas suit was brought in the Southern District of New York. The Supreme Court held that the suit was not proper in New York. Rather, "for core habeas petitions challenging present physical confinement, jurisdiction lies in only one district: the district of confinement."
That past brings us to the present. In two prominent cases, the Trump Administration has taken actions to keep legal challenges within the Fifth Circuit. And in both cases, judges on the East Coast have played keep-away from the Fifth Circuit.
The first case is Trump v. J.G.G. In this case, aliens were held at a facility in Texas. They were then loaded on a plane bound for El Salvador. Around the same time, Judge Boasberg in the District of Columbia ordered this operation to be halted immediately. Yet, there was a threshold issue: was the federal court in the District of Columbia the proper court to even bring this suit? Last time I checked, the federal courts in Texas remain operational--true, they are far less busy now then they were before the inauguration. The obvious response is that the ACLU did not want this case anywhere near the conservative Fifth Circuit. But sometimes a strategic choice can backfire.
The Solicitor General's emergency application in J.G.G. explains that Texas, and not D.C., was the only forum where a habeas claim could have been brought. The SG further argues that a claim under the Administrative Procedure Act (APA) is not proper under the Alien Enemies Act (AEA). (That was too many acronyms in one sentence.)
Habeas claims, however, must be brought only in the district of detention— and that is not where respondents sued. See Rumsfeld v. Padilla, 542 U.S. 426, 435 (2004). Respondents should have brought habeas claims in the Southern District of Texas. Yet they filed in the District of Columbia. Respondents may not leverage the APA to attack the President's exercise of authority under the Alien Enemies Act in a forum of their choosing. See Ludecke, 335 U.S. at 164. The APA is a particularly poor fit given that APA review extends only to "agency action" and not to action "of the President" like the Proclamation. Franklin v. Massachusetts, 505 U.S. 788, 796 (1992); see App., infra, 80a (Walker, J., dissenting).
Somewhat perplexingly, Judge Henderson's controlling opinion declined to resolve the venue/habeas/APA question:
The decisions below disregarded the problem. Indeed, no majority of D.C. Circuit panel rejected the habeas argument. Only Judge Millett concluded that respondents' "claims are not habeas claims and do not sound in habeas." App., infra, 63a. By contrast, Judge Walker, in dissent, opined that respondents' claims sound in habeas and must be brought in Texas. Id. at 78a. But Judge Henderson—the deciding vote—merely "[a]ssum[ed] habeas relief is no longer sought," then "assume[d]" that respondents' APA claims "constitute claims they can assert thereunder." Id. at 10a. That assumes away the decisive issue: the AEA does not let respondents refashion habeas claims into APA claims.
There is an even deeper problem here. The plaintiffs originally brought a habeas claim, but the judge nudged them to shift to an APA claim. Consider the government's recitation of the posture:
Hours after respondents filed their complaint, and without waiting to hear from the government, the district court granted respondents' motion for a TRO and ordered applicants not to "remove any of the individual Plaintiffs from the United States for 14 days absent further Order of the Court." App., infra, 147a (3/15/25 Second Minute Order). The government moved to stay the order and filed an appeal. Later that day, and without waiting for a brief from the government, the district court held a hearing on respondents' motion for class certification. App., infra, 147a (3/15/25 Third Minute Order). At that hearing, the government's counsel explained that certification of a nationwide class was not appropriate because (among other reasons) respondents' claims sound in habeas and accordingly must be brought in the district (in Texas) in which they are confined. Id. at 165a; see Rumsfeld v. Padilla, 542 U.S. 426, 435 (2004). In response, the district court inquired whether respondents might want to dismiss their habeas claims. App., infra, 169a. Respondents' counsel explained that "if the Court felt like it needed us to dismiss the habeas [claim] in order to issue a classwide TRO, then we are prepared to do that." Ibid. The court granted respondents' "motion to dismiss their habeas count" without prejudice. Ibid. The court then stated without elaboration that "class certification is warranted under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 23(a) and 23(b)(2)." Ibid.
Here is the relevant exchange on 169a:
THE COURT: Do you want to dismiss your habeas claim, Mr. Gelernt? I don't know. It's certainly not your primary claim. You may have other reasons for including it.
MR. GELERNT: Your Honor, I think if the Court felt like it needed us to dismiss the habeas in order to issue a class-wide TRO, then we are prepared to do that. We certainly don't feel like we need it. On the other hand, I think the Court could just hold it in abeyance. I mean, I think that it's very clear that if you don't need to bring it in habeas, you don't have to and you can bring it -- in other words, I think Your Honor could not have been clearer in IRLR. There are a number of cases that say that. Otherwise, virtually every case would be brought in habeas.
THE COURT: Again, I think this is a reasonably close question, but I've got to rule on it with essentially 40 minutes' notice given that this was first raised by the government in our hearing. And I'm not blaming the government at all because they haven't had an opportunity to brief it. And so as brief as my research has been at this period of time, I don't think that venue bars certification. I will, for clarity, I will grant the plaintiffs' -- first grant the plaintiffs' motion to dismiss their habeas count. So that count is dismissed without prejudice at this point.
But I do find that class certification is warranted under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 23(a) and 23(b)(2). So I will certify a class, and the class will be -- let's talk about the definition. The plaintiffs ask for all noncitizens who were, are, or will be subject to the AEA proclamation and its implementation.
The transcript also references venue with regard to certification at 165a of the appendix.
To be clear, the District Court invited the plaintiffs to drop their habeas claim to focus on the APA claim. I'll put my cynical hat on for a moment. Judge Boasberg may have recognized the venue problems with the habeas claims, or saw problems with certifying a class with habeas. The judge urged the Plaintiffs to restyle their case, and the consequence of that order was that the case could remain in the District of Columbia, and that a nationwide class could be certified to bring an APA claim.
I've seen this sort of move before. In the Foreign Emoluments Clause litigation, the plaintiffs only brought an official capacity claim against President Trump. Seth Barrett Tillman and I argued in an amicus brief that an official capacity claim was not proper, as the suit challenged alleged personal actions taken by Trump. Judge Peter Messitte acknowledged our brief during oral argument, and basically asked the parties to also bring an individual capacity claim. Unsurprisingly, the plaintiffs dutifully amended their complaint. Here, a reasonable observer could see the judge as the plaintiffs' co-counsel. The transcript in the Emoluments Clauses case closely resembled Judge Boasberg's colloquy.
Litigants, and not judges, should be litigating the case. When a judge tells parties how to litigate their case, the judge becomes a party, not a neutral magistrate. It's true the case was fast-moving. And if the judge did not move quickly, the aliens may have been transported out of the country. But if the Plaintiffs did not bring their claim properly, the remedy is to dismiss the case and ask the plaintiffs to restyle their case. The Supreme Court has recognized that aliens who were deported in error could be returned. Judges have a duty to maintain their own jurisdiction, but only in a claim that is properly filed. I think Judge Boasberg's attempt to "help" the plaintiffs reformulate their suit, and keep it in his courtroom, was a clear abuse of discretion, if not an abuse of the judicial power.
Moreover, on the merits, I remain unconvinced that judges can certify a class action on the fly during a TRO hearing. I criticized this practice during the early days of the travel ban litigation.
There is a second case where a coastal judge has played keep-away from the Fifth Circuit. Mahmoud Khalil, a resident of New York, was briefly detained at an immigration facility in New Jersey before he was transferred to Louisiana. Counsel for Khalil brought suit in the Southern District of New York. Judge Jesse Furman ordered that Khalil could not be removed, transferred the case to New Jersey, rather than Louisiana. Again, Khalil was never detained in New York, and it is not clear why a New York judge even had jurisdiction to issue any ruling. Worse still, there was no basis to transfer the case to New Jersey, other than the fact that the defendant was briefly detained there.
I'll put my cynical hat on for another moment. Everyone realizes that the Fifth Circuit is a more favorable forum than the Second or Third Circuits. So Judge Furman made a judgment that Khalil's rights would be "better" protected by federal judges in New Jersey than Louisiana. I've read Judge Furman's order, and there is nothing about the Fifth Circuit, but I strongly suspect this fear was lurking in the background.
For those who may not remember, here is how Justice Thomas described Judge Furman's ruling in the census case:
The District Court's lengthy opinion pointed to other facts that, in its view, supported a finding of pretext. 351 F. Supp. 3d, at 567–572, 660–664 (discussing the statements, e-mails, acts, and omissions of numerous people involved in the process). I do not deny that a judge pre-disposed to distrust the Secretary or the administration could arrange those facts on a corkboard and—with a jar of pins and a spool of string—create an eye-catching conspiracy web. Cf. id., at 662 (inferring "from the various ways in which [the Secretary] and his aides acted like people with something to hide that they did have something to hide").
Thomas faulted Judge Furman for not affording the executive branch the "presumption of regularity." And I think Judge Furman likewise did not afford the Fifth Circuit a "presumption of judicial regularity."
On Friday, the judge in New Jersey held a hearing. I've not yet seen a transcript, but the Times offered this account:
On Friday in Newark, Baher Azmy, a lawyer for Mr. Khalil and legal director of the Center for Constitutional Rights, argued in court that transferring the case to Louisiana would set a precedent for other activists to be moved without legal justification, which he called "Kafkaesque."
The government's case against Mr. Khalil was undertaken "in order to retaliate against constitutionally protected speech," Mr. Azmy said.
But a lawyer for the government, August E. Flentje, said it "made no good sense" for the case to be heard in New Jersey when Mr. Khalil had been arrested in New York, asserting that "the case belongs in Louisiana."
Let's be very clear here what is going on: federal judges in Louisiana cannot be trusted to protect Khalil from "Kafkaesque" hearings. Here, Khalil is not being transferred to Guantanamo Bay; he is being transferred to the Gulf of America. But within the Amtrak Corridor, Louisiana may as well be a "black site."
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If Josh really wants to put on his cynic's hat, he could have speculated, "Hey, the government could obviously have said that there was zero need for immediate action here. They could have taken a month or two, given these people every single due process right, and made sure that both the govt and each individual and each court was able to carefully consider all the venue and jurisdictional issues. But, instead, the government insisted in rushing the process as quickly as it could, thereby ensuring that the other side would have to rush its defenses as quickly as it could, and ensuring that any court would have to rush its deliberations."
I don't know if these lower courts will end up being on the right side of the law. (I sort of think they will; but God knows if Thomas and Alito will succeed in bringing along 3 other Justices...that's certainly possible). But it's funny to hear the Trump administration whine about it, when it's their (TOTALLY UNNECESSARY) rush that caused this whole kerfuffle.
Why would he lie? The abuses of these judges shows that there was sound reason for immediate action.
Yeah I'm an expert scholar of the provision of the constitution that says if you don't like due process you don't need to give it to people. Very under-appreciated by lawyers and the judiciary. Mostly I just file court briefings with all-caps bold text that says "PLENARY POWER"
It would be ok for Trump to assert that you are a gang member and ship you off to a Central American prison before you could file your court case?
Mikie’s not worried about his King coming for him, he’s confident the calluses on his knees from genuflecting to him will protect him. Other than Divine Right his guiding principle is Wilhot’s Law.
I'd say processing and deporting TdA absolutely as soon as possible is absolutely necessary.
A TdA member could rationally conclude a life sentence for murder of an INS agent would be preferable to an El Salvadoran or Venezuelan prison.
When Norfolk Island was the prison for those that committed serious crimes in Australia when it was a penal colony, the prisoners used to draw lots to see who would be the victim, and the murdurer, and the witnesses, who then would get off the island at least temporarily when they were transported back to Australia for trial.
Prof Blackman is mistaken- Khalil was arrested in New York City, but his attorneys filed in SDNY on his behalf. SDNY does not cover all of NYC, which is where the jurisdictional problems started.
His attorneys claim that they were unaware he was in NJ when they filed their suit in SDNY. Federal rules allows transfer to the district in which the detained was in at the moment the suit was filed (NJ) or to the detainee's current location (LA).
That being said, the SDNY judge was reluctant to transfer the case, and when offered the choice of transferring to NJ or LA, the SDNY judge chose the one best for the defendant and not where jurisdiction ultimately lies.
Sure the guy has "due process rights - though We wouldnt be having this discussion if the democratics werent so thrilled to invite his ilk into the US in the first place. It certainly doesnt help with the encouragement for his type behavior from many of the anti-semites that dominate large segments of the democrat party.
Remember, this fellow who writes with the grammatical grasp of a third grader claims to be an expert on meteorology, epidemiology, economics and several other fields. Conservative populism, folks!
As usual - you have nothing of substance
My substance is no one should take a man who writes like a 3rd grader seriously when they pontificate on complex subjects.
The Resistance may be all but gone in the public and in Congress, but it is alive and well in the judiciary, where the bitter clingers linger.
We shouldn't be surprised that Henderson, one of the judges in the execrable immunity decision from the DCCA last year, would write another decision that pretzels itself to achieve a preferred policy goal. The ends justify the means!
Trump needs to start making these judges disappear.
Unhinged nut, MAGA loyalist. But I repeat myself.
I wish you would disappear. We don’t do that kind of thing here. There are plenty of places on this Earth where disputes are settled this way. Perhaps you would enjoy one of them?
What has gone so wrong in your life that made you this way?
We didn't used to do that kind of thing here.
Now we do.
235 Schumer judges ought to fit on a C-5.
My brother in Christ, you need help.
What "preferred policy goal" is that? Why would making an indisputably correct ruling be "pretzeling" anything?
I like a good pretzel, especially those tasty ones from NYC vendors.
Judges dare not get in the way of Tyler’s King!
"There is an even deeper problem here. The plaintiffs originally brought a habeas claim, but the judge nudged them to shift to an APA claim."
Here Josh just screams to the internet that he knows nothing about litigation but has strong opinions about it. This sort of thing is super-common and is considered a good practice for judges at every level. Judges are especially encouraged to do so with pro se parties. The alternative would be a massively less efficient court system and much higher cost of litigation for everyone.
The fact that he was detained briefly in NJ likely gave him grounds to file a petition in that district. Had the government been sharper, more conniving, it would've never allowed him to be detained in NY or NJ, and sent him straight to Jena. Then again, should he file a petition in WDLA, there's a 50% shot he draws a Judge appointed by Biden, if that means anything.
And regarding Judges carrying water for one side, that happens often in practice, usually in favor of the government. Doesn't make it right or proper, but that's just the way it goes.
Yes, but he also knows nothing about this case. The plaintiffs originally brought a habeas claim and an APA claim.
If one has a valid claim under any other law, an APA claim is invalid. That's why the Judge instructed the Plaintiff's lawyers to drop the habeas claim. And you claim to know the law.
It's a complicated issue, too complicated to explicate in a blog comment, but in general, pleading in the alternative (e.g., breach of contract and quantum meruit) is very common.
Yes. But Inverse Patrick Henry ("Take away my liberty, please!") is also confused because he thinks that the issue is whether they pleaded a habeas claim rather than whether they have a valid habeas claim. If the case properly sounded in habeas, then their dismissing the habeas claim wouldn't salvage an APA claim.
> Worse still, there was no basis to transfer the case to New Jersey, other than the fact that the defendant was briefly detained there.
The judge said the argument was that he was in detention in New Jersey, at the time the suit was filed. It is in the order you linked.
> These conclusions flow from the undisputed fact that, at 4:40 a.m. on March 9 , 2025 , when Khalil's lawyer filed the Petition on his behalf, he was detained in New Jersey. A straightforward application of the district-of-confinement and immediate-custodian rules therefore dictates that Khalil's Petition should have been filed in the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey, not in this Court.
The only additional text needed is an explanation of when transferring cases is appropriate versus when dismissing them and forcing them to re-file is appropriate.
> For these reasons, elaborated upon below, the Court concludes that it may not entertain Khalil's Petition. But the Court rejects the Government's requests to dismiss the case or to transfer it to the Western District of Louisiana. As to the former, transfer, rather than dismissal, is the path that courts usually take in these circumstances. That path is all the more appropriate in this case, as dismissal would mean vacatur of this Court's order barring Khalil's removal from the United States until his claims can be addressed, see ECF No. 9, and thus might allow the Government to frustrate Khalil's effort to obtain judicial review of his claims by removing him from the country before a court could rule.
Okay, so, looks like the judge directly addresses the point you idly speculate about. Great. You might disagree, but there's no reason to completely elide the detailed information given in the opinion and pretend nothing was.
To me it seems like it makes total sense that jurisdiction has to attach at some point, otherwise you could avoid a court's jurisdiction by, as your title notes, playing keep away from the detainee's legal team. So the question is when does jurisdiction attach. The judge's opinion may or may not be correct, but it seems to assert something that has the shape of legal justification so at a minimum it currently seems more persuasive to me than "nuh uh".
To the rest of the post, I am _deeply_ unpersuaded by "the court using its discretion to allow a party to amend their filings a limited number of times at early stages of a case to address clear and undisputed procedural deficiencies unrelated to the merits is rigging the game". It is extremely normal for courts to invite plaintiffs to file amended claims at this stage. Such an invitation is discretionary, so perhaps you are arguing that courts should not use their discretion. Oh well, tough shit?
Do you think your readers are benefitting from you choosing to ignore either of these ideas? I don't think so.
Blackman "completely elide(d) the detailed information given in the opinion" because it would expose how empty his criticism of the judge is. He doesn't care about benefitting his readers. He just wants to attack the other partisan side no matter what, so he makes up baseless arguments and hopes the readers won't notice the inconsistencies and omissions. I don't think he realizes what a failure he is at this - everyone knows he's dishonest.
JB is operating under the fallacy that rule of law still exists.
It does not.
Schumer is bragging about the "235 Judges" his side rammed through to resist Trump. I say we need to find 235 more beds in GITMO....
And start giving these ILLEGAL ALIENS the same accommodations that were given to the J6ers.
JB is operating under the fallacy that rule of law still exists.
It does not.
Yes, but your attribution is wrong. The rule of law was broken when Krasnov claimed that a foreign nation or country was invading, and that this entitled the Federal government to kidnap people and send them to a prison in El Salvador with no due process.
I think that the coastal judges are demonstrating judicial courage.
+1
The cheerleading for extraordinary rendition of people on US soil is all I need to know about Trump voters.
Trump really has built a plurality of racist assholes who aren’t smart enough to imagine this being turned against them.
…and yet at the same time they hallucinate that it was done to them in the body of the J6ers.
Every accusation is a confession seems to be the guiding principle behind loyalists for the Mad King.
TBF it’s sort of a safe bet. Authoritarian regimes don’t detain, kill, or otherwise harass most people day-to-day. Especially their fervent loyalist chuds. When it does happen to someone they vaguely care about, they’ll either not care or instantly buy the explanation. They’re also not expecting the regime to ever change hands. On the outside chance it does, they’re secretly relying on return to liberal values to protect them. Which it will.
I have argued that underpinning political beliefs are two principles - us v them, and game value.
The cultists have "us" as a small group with a strong barrier between "us" and "them", and they also believe the world is zero-sum. So as deportees are "them" - even the ones not TdA - they don't care, and because "they" are losing, "we" ,must be winning.
Every deported Hispanic is hence a win - even if they're legally here and are not criminals
Of course, this is how a sociopath would reason.
Wilhoit's law: Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Though I think that applies far more to MAGA than to actual conservatism.
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"Every deported Hispanic is hence a win - even if they're legally here and are not criminals"
Illegal aliens are not here legally by statutory definition and an illegal alien is by staturory definition a criminal offense.
Overstaying a visa is a civil offense.
Crossing the border without authorization is criminal, but only a misdemeanor.
Applying for asylum is legal.
Similar to those misdemeanors of many of those J6ers that landed them years in jail, right?
The ones who got lawyers, often publicly funded, bond hearings, and trials? Those guys?
The guys that had all Democrat juries.
Pathetic. As soon as someone you identify with gets in trouble you start whining about everything. You know who often has to deal with hostile jury pools? Every other criminal defendant in the country. Never heard you complain about that before. You’re just mad that they got treated the same as every other defendant. Jan 6th people experienced the same system you think has too many protections for defendants and you’re mad about it. It’s absolutely pathetic.
Honestly this dish-but-can’t-take whininess is loser shit. You probably can’t hack litigation because clients, other lawyers, and judges can immediately tell you reek of “everyone but me is at fault” excuse-making.
The only thing Bob omitted in his comment was the DC pool is heavily infested with TDS. Its unclear why you would dispute the obvious.
A very similar problem was science derangment sympton exhibited by the DC jury in the mann v simberg/steyn trial. Fortunately, most every ruling on the post trial motions have been in favor of the defendents.
Another fucking whiner. Don’t want to be in front of a DC jury pool? Don’t go to DC.
We've found another topic about which bookkeeper_joe is an expert!
Not only is my statement correct, but neither you or any other leftist can refute the fact.
So you confirmed my point
Applying for asylum is legal - does it remain legal when filing under false pretenses.
Also worth noting that much of the commentary against deportations is that the trump administration is deporting legal aliens. Yet ignoring how easy it is to demostrate that the person is a legal alien and how easy it is to check the data bases to confirm the legal status of the individual. Its doubtful that ICE agents are not doing performing any checks to see if the person is either a citizen or a legal alien.
“It’s doubtful that ICE agents are not doing performing any checks to see if the person is either a citizen or a legal alien.”
I imagine many legal or illegal aliens can write better than this!
great you found a grammar error
Try to address the substance.
Much of the premise / conspiracy theory is the administration is hauling off legal aliens and US citizens. I am just pointing out that premise is inane
Okay, you're both full of shit and misunderstand the issue. This isn't about whether people came here legally; it's about finding a pretext to deport people whether or not their presence here is legal.
One of the reasons the administration is so eager to apply the Alien Enemies Act is that it permits the removal of people who aren’t here illegally.
TdA were trained by the Venezuelan government and sent here to destablize.
What rights does a foreign paramilitary group who are conducting military operations against the US even have?
Well individual people have a right for the government to prove that they are actually part of that group before sending them to a foreign prison that is likely engaged in practices that constitute torture.
Prove to who?
A neutral and impartial adjudicator. Like they would to put someone in an American prison or give someone a traffic ticket.
Do you think that's how they do it in Israel with Hamas? Or out-of-uniform saboteurs in Ukraine?
Is America Israel or Ukraine? Do they have a 5th and 14th amendment where a bedrock principle that due process requires a notice and a hearing?
And not for nothing, but we used tribunals for Nazi saboteurs in WWII. We have also successfully prosecuted terrorists in civilian courts.
You may not like the US Constitution, but a lot of judges do. So here we are.
Oh I see, it's our 5th and 14th amendments that grant foreign militants on our soil these individual rights.
I sure as shit hope China doesn't ever invade. I couldn't imagine the nightmare of having to get Judge Boasburg's permission before shooting back every time we encountered them in battle.
They grant people rights, yes.
In your mind's eye, how would you see a landed invasion by say, like China happening?
Like this?
Step 1:
D-Day sized landing forces, not in uniforms, land on SF peninsula.
Step 2:
San Francisco's government sends out NGO officials (like from Boasburg's wife or daughters NGO) and tells them they can provide free legal assistance while they await their court hearing to see if the US can deport them?
??
See the problem here is that you are stupidly comparing a coordinated military land invasion by China to trying to prove specific people have gang affiliations. Your comparison is so transparently stupid and in bad faith it doesn’t require engaging with.
Because even you aren’t so moronic to believe that they are comparable.
Sorry LTG, but here again is where your low-information is embarrassing you.
Your mindmasters withheld from you the information that TdA were trained by and sent by the Venezuelan government.
My hypo is closer to reality than your understanding of the situation. It's in my opening statement. It's the premise my argument falls under.
No. You’re just an idiot who believes conspiratorial bullshit due to an undiagnosed personality disorder.
LTG - Your comment is rich - Accussing Magnus P of conspiratorial bullshit when much of the leftist premise is based on the "rounding up of innocents"
The leftist premise is that we have no idea what these status of people is because there haven’t been any hearings where the government proved their case.
Also everyone, guilty or innocent, has a right to be free from cruel and unusual punishment (as well as rights under international law) and sending people to a foreign prison that doesn’t necessarily involve humane treatment of detainees is wrong!
“TdA were trained by the Venezuelan government and sent here to destablize.”
1. Citation?
2. This is irrelevant to the point that there needs to be a reliable determination as to who is TdA. A statist bootlicker such as yourself may be happy with the executive scooping people up willy-nilly but some of us love limited government and liberty.
TdA were not trained by the Venezuelan government and not sent here to destabilize. Even if the first part were true, the second part is batshit crazy.
Why do CJ Roberts and many others assert that judges are just impartial umpires interpreting the law and demanding they be treated as such, while plaintiffs judge shop and judges play "keep away" from other judges?
If judges are impartial umpires, then judges should be interchangeable, no?
More proof Josh Blackman is a dishonest lying partisan hack and not a real lawyer. Mahmoud was detained in NYC, so unless Blackman is incompetent this is a flat out lie. Blackman also knows that when the Habeas petition was filed Mahmoud was in New Jersey, not Louisiana, and jurisdiction belongs to the district plaintiff is in at time of filling. It doesn’t matter how briefly he was there. Blackman is arguing the fifth circuit can steal jurisdiction from NY and NJ districts by moving a prisoner after the petition is filled. The law does not allow this.
“ Worse still, there was no basis to transfer the case to New Jersey, other than the fact that the defendant was briefly detained there.”
This is quite possibly the stupidest thing Blackman has ever said. Where he was detained at the time petition was filed is the ONLY basis to transfer that matters. It’s not some trivial factor; it is conclusive of jurisdiction. Either Blackman doesn’t know this in which case he is an unbelievably stupid lawyer, or he is just lying to you and thinks you are stupid. Probably the latter.
I think the late Princeton University philosophy professor Harry Frankfurt made a rather persuasive case that Professor Blackman is not lying.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit
So Blackman ain't lying because he doesn't value truth in the first place? Interesting take.
I think that, in a situation where the administration rapidly moves prisoners around the country so that their whereabouts at any given moment cannot be ascertained or fixed, their lawyers are entitled to file where initially detained.
The lawyers would have to be able to demonstrate that this is happening, however.
At what point does abuse of judicial power warrant a well-informed ethics complaint