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Twenty States Challenge Termination Of Probationary Federal Employees
The states claim that the terminations "impeded the ability of many Plaintiff states to support affected employees," thereby creating an Article III injury.
Yesterday, a new complaint was filed challenging the firing of probationary employees. The plaintiffs in this case, however, were not the fired employees. They could challenge their removal through the usual civil service process, and not in federal court. But here, twenty states sued almost every department in the federal government.
What is the basis for Article III standing? Are the states suing parens patriae on behalf of their residents who work for the federal government? No, the states have articulated some sort of pocketbook injury:
This campaign is harming Plaintiff States, too. In addition to the informational and procedural injuries resulting from the deprivation of notice to which they were entitled, the lack of notice has impeded the ability of many Plaintiff States to support affected employees and thereby mitigate the financial and other impacts on state services. In fact, pursuant to federal statutory requirements, Plaintiff States operate rapid response teams that provide immediate services and resources to workers subject to mass layoffs. These services include job placement and job training services as well as connections to social services like unemployment insurance and health insurance. Because of Defendants' failure to adhere to the RIF notice procedures, many Plaintiff States have had to scramble and expend additional resources to identify even which agencies have conducted layoffs and which affected employees require support.
As best as I can tell, this is even more attenuated than anything Texas asserted. If this ground of standing is acceptable, than nearly any action the federal government takes, with regard to federal employees, can be challenged in federal court.
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This is Banana Republic...
Trump is going to end it by refusing to sign ANY budget bill that doesn't include Section III language that eliminates jurisdiction for this foolishness. Or leave the government shut down until Christmas...
At what point can these states be sanctioned?
Trump is not, in fact, going to so refuse. (And of course Prof. Blackman’s entire point is that there already is no jurisdiction for this “foolishness”, so I’m not sure what the point would be.)
What was the point of the fourth paragraph of the 14th Amendment, as the 13th was already passed.
If congress denies courts the ability to even hear these cases, it's irrelevant if the court would have jurisdiction or not because Congress has explicitly said it doesn't.
I'm sure that there's a logical connection between the first and second halves of that sentence, and then a second logical connection between that sentence and this lawsuit… but I don't know what it would be.
Using the legal process to obtain relief against government action is pretty much 180° from a banana republic. Although since you inexplicably capitalized Republic, maybe you were referring to the clothing chain. (It would not make your comment any weirder.)
Weird, Trump doing that in 2020 was a banana republic thing. I guess times have changed.
"They could challenge their removal through the usual civil service process"
And some have already obtained interim relief.
How is this standing different than the standing for Missouri in the student loan case?
Both injuries seem pretty similar to me, except at least this one will actually cause a state to spend money, whereas in the Missouri case they claimed a right to someone else's money.
Well and actually Missouri was suing on behalf of MOHELA's injury and MOHELA was sort of arms-length whereas the benefit programs they're suing on behalf of here are not. So yes I think the comparison is apposite.
Right, but the point is that Blackman thought the Missouri standing was fine then, but isn't here.
So I'm asking him to explain why it was OK there and not OK here (under his logic).
Yeah sorry I wasn't clear -- my point was that to the extent you'd draw daylight between Missouri and the states here, the states here have a _stronger_ case not a weaker one, so the position seems immediately and obviously hypocritical.
the state agency in biden v nebraska was actively servicing specific student loans that the biden admin purported to forgive.
the state agency here has no stake in the federal action other than indirect effects on the individuals down the road. The state's claimed injuries in fact rely on a chain of speculative possibilities:
that a large number of their residents are probationary federal employees who have been laid off, that those federal employees wont swiftly find alternative employment in private sector or state govt, that those former federal employees will apply for unemployment benefits with the state
Well, those don't really seem all that speculative. But these damages are also the result of voluntary choices by the states to pay these benefits.
Missouri was a direct beneficiary of student loan servicing. MOHELA was considered part of the state. If MOHELA loses a single dollar in student loan servicing fees the state has standing to sue.
Can a state sue an employer to keep paying employees who were terminated? Nope.
Why is this any different? It isn't.
Apparently it's the dawn of a new litigation niche with many idiotic possibilities. Maybe New York can sue Florida for the termination of Florida workers? Maybe we can go international too? I'm sure Canada is itching to file something.
The case for standing here strikes me as fairly thin, but your analysis here seems a little conclusory.
You are confusing standing and merits with your question.
A state or the federal government may be able to sue a private employer to prevent sudden mass layoffs. The WARN Act and similar state laws require advance notice. Severance pay might be a substitue for advance notice. Such state employment laws do not bind the federal government.
If the employer was in the state and violated a state law requiring some notice before doing so, I could easily see the state AGs office doing that.
20 states challenge the termination of probationary federal employees. I can only hope we've reached peak insanity in the democrats' litigation tantrum. If there's something more ridiculous than this, I don't want to know what it is.
What is more ridiculous? How about illegally firing them in the first place.
You're comparing apples with litigious, idiotic oranges. Whether you disagree with President Trump's management of executive branch employees or whether you think his exercise of constitutional authority is somehow illegal is an entirely different question from whether disgruntled states have standing to invoke the jurisdiction of the federal courts. They don't. These idiots have jumped the shark with this litigation, turned around, and made another run for good measure.
Normally I would agree with you, but Trump/Musk are moving so fast and violating so many laws that the courts are unable to keep up. And when they do the damage will be done. Thus I am ok using a lower bar for standing. It is absurd that the union did not have standing to challenge the firing of it's own members. It is not right that one side be held to strict legal procedures while the other is not.
Uh huh, you're willing to violate the constitution to wrongfully use judicial power against the administration because you think the President is violating some laws. Not a very compelling argument you've got there.
No, not violate the Constitution, but lower the standing requirements. The Constituion says that there must be a real controversy for federal courts to have jurisdiction, but it does not say what the standards are.
And MollyGodiva has now endorsed the January 6th Incident.
They also didn't think they should be held to strict legal procedures...
Does the Federal Government pay it's share of Unemployment Insurance to the State where a Federal Employee work? If so these States don't have a chance. Just more TDS.
That is not how it works.
Those paying are the employers, via state and federal unemployment insurance taxes.
FUTA covers a federal share of unemployment insurance (UI) and job service program administration costs in every state. In addition, FUTA pays one-half the cost of extended unemployment benefits during periods of high unemployment. It also provides a fund that states can borrow from when necessary to pay benefits.
I am not aware, nor can I find (easily), any reference to states in the RIF process. All of the "protections" are for the impacted employees.
Try this: https://oui.doleta.gov/unemploy/docs/factsheet/UCFE_FactSheet.pdf
"States pay UCFE benefits on behalf of the Federal government to eligible former civilian Federal employees who have filed a claim and are eligible for benefits. Federal agencies reimburse state agencies dollar-for-dollar for all UCFE benefits paid. There is no payroll deduction from a Federal employee's wages to support payment of benefits under the UCFE program"
See also: https://oui.doleta.gov/unemploy/unemcomp.asp
The states are already getting 100% reimbersement -- which they DON'T get for private employers. Hence there is no merit here unless the states are claiming a right to double dip.
Pigs are flying and I agree with Prof. Blackman. It's creative lawyering, but a ridiculous argument.
I also agree with him, but it's noteworthy that of all the excellent arguments why this action is illegal and remediable, he picked out the worst, most frivolous one to post about.
It seems to me that Missouri’s pocketbook theory of standing in Biden v. Nebraska was even more attenuated than this theory. The amounts the states are going to have to shell out to deal with this are likely considerably more than the measly amount of student loan processing fees at issue in Biden. And in addirion, the state alter ego status of the organizations shelling out the money is considerably clearer here than in that case.
And yet I seem to recall Professor Blackman assuring us at that time that Missouri’s standing was rock-solid and people who challenged were miserable Biden supporters with an absurdly-miserly conception of standing.
It’s interesting that what was perfectly good standing to sue President Biden is suddenly not nearly good enough standing to sue President Trump.
At the time, I didn’t think Missouri had standing. But the Supreme Court disagreed. And as I see it, that’s that so far as the legal regime President Trump is facing is concerned.
You’d think that Professor Blackman would at least have the decency to make some sort of half-cocked argument attempting to distinguish this case from Biden v. Nebraska. But I wouldn’t think ao. The fact he doesn’t mention it isn’t just revealing. It’s become typical.
As George Orwell explained the concept of doublethink in 1984, it is plessential to survival, not to mention advancement, in totalitarian regimes to develop the habit of self-inuring to logical contradictions. Noticing them can be fatal, because they can lead to doubts and other crimethink that tends to lead to an escorted visit to the Ministry of Love. One has to train oneself in the discipline of letting such things go. Or better, if one has more ambition, exalt in putting one over the enemy for having blamed the enemy on something one knows one does oneself, and consider doing so a virtue and a source of pride as a loyal and useful member of the Party.
One thing I think we can clearly discern about Professor Blackman: He has no intention, no intention whatsoever, of getting himself inside the new regime’s Ministry of Love except as one of its top Inner Party leaders, perhaps its Minister. And he very likely has the skills, and the ambition, to pull it off.
He would make a formidable one. Frankly, I fear the prospect of meeting him if I found myself on the inside myself.
The size of the damages is irrelevant to the standing question, though.
Standing?
This reminds me of the scene in Blazing Saddles where the sheriff takes himself hostage. We'd be fools to let such a rise work in the real world. The States chose their policies and should be expected to go through with shooting themselves in the head by living with their chosen welfare policies, not bailed out in any manner.
The states are really litigating up a storm! They are successfully reducing standing to "we need to do this because we will lose votes." Some truth to that, of course, but more dilution and delusion concerning the law is not a good look.
It seems as if any injury is self-inflicted. The state chooses to provide these programs for those out of work--they are not mandated.
If this theory of standing holds, then any state could get standing in any case by simply enacting a law providing compensation to victims of X, with X being whatever the federal law or policy the state disfavors.
What if a red state provided $1 of compensation to any person denied the right to own or carry a gun by virtue of a federal gun law? It would then seem that the state could have standing to challenge the federal gun law under the guise that they would suffer a pocketbook injury from the law.
This simply can't be the case.
As I'm thinking about this, it could be even better than that. Let's say that a red state provided $1 in compensation to any of its residents who wished to travel to blue states where they are not allowed to carry in parks, on subways, etc. Blue states could provide $1 in compensation to its transgender residents who are not allowed to share locker rooms or compete on sports teams consistent with their residents' gender identities.
Then you could have a situation where, say, Mississippi could sue New York and claim damages from having to pay its residents, and they would not have to go through the lower courts---just file an original jurisdiction petition with SCOTUS.