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Article III Inverted: The Supreme Court Surrenders to Inferior Court Supremacy.
Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Barrett are engaging in alternative dispute resolution, rather than constitutional adjudication.
We often think of the Supreme Court as the apex institution. The Constitution called for the creation of the Supreme Court, but inferior courts were left to Congress's discretion. From early on in the Republic, it was understood that the Supreme Court, and not the lower courts, would have the final say on matters of national importance. Justice Jackson remarked "We are not final because we are infallible, but we are infallible only because we are final."
Yet, in recent weeks, there has been a change: District Court judges are in charge. In case after case, federal district court judges have issued a series of non-appealable orders, whether styled as "administrative stays" or temporary restraining orders. Courts of appeals have then declined to disturb those rulings, finding that TROs can only be challenged through mandamus, and administrative stays are unappealable altogether. At that point, the federal government is forced to run to the Supreme Court seeking emergency relief. And what has the Supreme Court done? They have kicked the issue back down to the lower court, hoping that someone else makes the tough decisions. Who is running the show here?
Jack Goldsmith calls these tactics "temporizing." That is, the Supreme Court is simply trying to bide its time to find other ways of resolving the issues. That may be right in the short run, but I think we are witnessing an inversion of Article III. The Supreme Court is no longer Supreme. Rather, the federal government is now subject to inferior court supremacy. Lower court judges are now confident they can issue any order they wish against the executive branch, and the Supreme Court will not stop them. This is the judiciary run amok.
At this point, Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Barrett are engaging in alternative dispute resolution. They are crafting these compromises to settle conflicts between the executive branch and the lower courts. They are avoiding important and foundational constitutional questions. Perhaps these delays can be chalked up to avoiding a "merits peek" on the emergency docket, but these are urgent constitutional issues that will not benefit from percolation. The Chief and Justice Barrett have been reduced to mere mediators. They are so focused on avoiding "red" or "blue" rulings and making them "purple," that they are not actually deciding the cases before them. Indeed, I am now more convinced the USAID case was an advisory opinion.
When I write that Justices should resign, I am not being a polemicist. I think they have lost their way as judges: decide the cases and let the political chips fall where they may.
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[After looking it up], no Josh would never be one who engages in controversial debate.
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood.
A selective memory is a very useful thing for such a man. Clearly much more useful than integrity or a sense of shame.
Maybe somebody should analyze why the current administration thinks it can do whatever it wants via executive order and why lower courts keep saying they can't. That seems more productive.
But let's face it. Project2025 is what is being implemented via executive order(s) and part of that strategy is to take executive action immediately and expect lawsuits against those actions to drag on for years...but they key is to act fast. Dismantle as much of the administrative state as possible as quickly as possible; fire as many employees as possible to replace with MAGA loyalists (for whatever skeletal remains of an agency are left) who won't bitch or put up a fuss. Statutory law be damned. Ignore it.
Perhaps if the DOJ and current government could do a better job of defending themselves, they wouldn't lose so many district court level cases. Or maybe their actions are in fact in violation of statutes or procedures or regulations or whatever.
Project2025 expected lawsuits. They likely expected them take much longer to slow what they are doing down. Tough shit. Hire better lawyers. MAGA loyalty tests are the new DEI.
This post is incredible. The issue isn't lawyering. The DOJ briefs have been high quality. The issue is activist judges. With respect to the Dellinger case, the issue is pretty simple--the statute says what it says, and the holding of Seila Law is pretty clear that Dellinger can be fired at will. So the question is whether the Selia decision will be pared back or not.
The other question is whether "Judge" Jackson had the authority to order reinstatement given the limitations on equitable powers. The answer is pretty clear that she didn't.
No. Seilla law limited its holding in a potentially distinguishable way , and the statute is presumptively constitutional. It’s obviously not only in your wet MAGA dreams. “Activist” is simply a term for “disagrees with me.”
Really? What was that "potentially distinguishable way"?
Because even Dellinger isn't stupid enough to believe that, which is why he dropped the case
Reality check:
Article II
Section 1
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.
Yes, Trump gets to undo every single shred of "discretion" engaged in by the "Biden" Admin, and replace it with his.
That's our Constitutional system.
If you don't like that Congress gave the Executive Branch so much "discretion", then attack the Congress members who did it, not Trump for using it
Article II, Section 2:
“…he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer of each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices,…”
If the Vesting Clause in Section 1 already gave the President complete control over all executive officers and complete power to order them about and fire them at will, why did the Framers think it necessary to include this very minor and redundant-seeming power in Section 2, slipped in between the Commander-in-Chief power and the Pardon Power?
It was the "in writing" part.
Remember this was 1787...
Good point. Writing was a pain back then, what with having to do everything in cuneiform on clay tablets. It would be years before papyrus would be introduced. IIRC, that is why the Consititution established the Office of Troubadors and Criers.
What on earth are you blabbering about?
What the hell happened to this place over the last 10 years? Is this guy really claiming to be a doctor?
Dr. Ed is what would happen if a fabulist interrobang was a real boy.
If the Vesting Clause in Section 1 DID NOT give the President complete control over all executive officers and complete power to order them about and fire them at will, exactly what does it mean?
"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America."
So, do show us where in Article II some "executive Power" is listed that is OUTSIDE the President's control.
I'll wait
"but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments."
You might want to try reading the document before talking about it.
Let's get that whole section, shall we?
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
So, for example, judges can appoint their own clerks, the President doesn't do if for them. And Congress might pass a law giving the judges the power to appoint their bailiffs.
Are you people just really this fundamentally stupid?
Congress has also given judges the power, in certain circumstances, to appoint clearly executive officials like U.S. Attorneys.
No, but you are.
1) You read words into the provision that are not there.
2) Law clerks are not in fact inferior officers.
3) You are apparently unaware that judges are authorized by Congress to appoint U.S. attorneys — that is people who are in the executive branch — under some circumstances.
Why yes, David, if a US Attorney resigns, and the President doesn't manage to have a replacement in after 120 days, the Courts can appoint one until the President's one get in there
After which the court appointed one is gone, same day.
Because the President is only allowed to appoint an interim no Senate involved Atty for 120 days.
That's quite the grant of executive power! Sure, I guess that means judges can determine the budget and expenditures of every single part of the EB!
Good Lord you are completely f*cking stupid
Well, two obvious areas are the following:
The president "shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."
"The President" (at the very least) "shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
More fundamentally, it's contrary to the plain text and plain purpose of our Constitution to limit your consideration to Article II (as the concept of impeachment for certain crimes implies. Congress determines what conduct constitutes such a crime. See Article I: "All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress" which "shall have Power" to "make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution" absolutely "all" the "Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."
Moreover, the president could not have any power (including any purported immunity to commit any crime) that We the People lacked the power to delegate to him. We have no power to commit such crimes, so we could not delegate any such power to the president (and we did not delegate any power to SCOTUS to give the president any such power).
As Chief Justice Marshall emphasized in McCulloch v. Maryland, "we must never forget, that it is [our national] constitution we are expounding." Chief Justice Marshall also elaborated on the most important principles of our national constitution:
"The government of the Union [ ] is, emphatically, and truly, a government of the people. In form and in substance it emanates from them. Its powers are granted by them, and are to be exercised directly on them, and [exclusively] for their benefit. This [national] government is acknowledged by all to be one of enumerated [limited] powers. [ I]t can exercise only the powers granted to it . . . . . That principle is now universally admitted."
As Justice Alito (joined by Justices Scalia and Thomas) put it in a dissenting opinion in Obergefell v. Hodges, 576 U.S. 644, 741 (2015), "In our system of government, ultimate sovereignty rests with the people, and the people have the right to control their own destiny."
The very first words of our Constitution emphasize that "We the People" created our "Constitution" and "Union" to "establish Justice" and "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves." Three times (in Section 1 of Articles I, II and III) our Constitution emphasized that We the People merely "vested" only parts of our sovereign "powers" in our public servants in each branch of government. The Ninth Amendment expressly emphasized a principle that was implicit in the original Constitution: all "rights" are "retained by the people." The Tenth Amendment did the same. It expressly re-emphasized that We the People "by the Constitution" merely "delegated to the United States" certain limited "powers" and "prohibited by it [our Constitution] to the States" certain "powers" (e.g., in Article I, Section 10 and Amendments XIII, XIV, XV, XIX, XXIV and XXVI) and we "reserved to the States" certain powers and "reserved" to "the people" all residual "powers."
To repeat:
Really? What was that "potentially distinguishable way"?
Because even Dellinger isn't stupid enough to believe that, which is why he dropped the case
You didn't answer the question. But you claimed to have the answer, when you babbled "Seilla law limited its holding in a potentially distinguishable way"
Oh look, no answer, because Reader Y does understaqnd it's claim was total BS
Article II, Section 2:
“…he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer of each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices,…”
If the Vesting Clause in Section 1 already gave the President complete control over all executive officers and complete power to order them about and fire them at will, why did the Framers think it necessary to include this very minor and redundant-seeming power in Section 2, slipped in between the Commander-in-Chief power and the Pardon Power?
Hmm, gee, I wonder. Maybe because they wanted him to do that on a regular basis?
Because if you "think" that " The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America" did NOT mean that the President could demand that his cabinet members have to tell him what they're doing, you really need to put down the bong
Do you have anything intelligent to contribute, or just insults? If it did so obviously mean that that one would have to be on drugs to think otherwise, then there would have been no need to include that explicit provision in the Constitution.
And your attempted explanation makes no sense. They told the president that he could do this because they "wanted him to do that on a regular basis"? Why wouldn't they tell him that he has to do that, if they wanted him to do that? The state of the union provision isn't framed as a "He 'may' give a report to Congress"; it's framed as a "He shall give a report to Congress." They knew the difference.
And why would they 'want' this so badly that they would call out this one particular power out of all the alleged executive powers you think the president has? (It might make sense if these written cabinet reports were like the SOTU — that is, if they had to be done periodically, and had to be delivered to Congress. That would provide a form of oversight as part of checks and balances. But not only are these written reports optional, but internal to the executive branch.)
If it your claim that there's absolutely no redundancy of any kind in the Original US Constitution, then my contempt for your stupidity is even greater than it currently is.
Here's your little challenge, David: Explain WHAT powers a President has over a Department head, if his powers are so small that the ONLY reason he can ask a Department head to report in writing what the Department is up to is because the Constitution explicitly listed that power.
I'll help you: if he needed the Constitution in order to do that, then there's NO actual order a President can give a Cabinet member as to what they actually have to DO. They are in fact heads of their fiefdoms, with complete autonomy, other than they have to occasionally tell the President what they're up to, not that it matters because the President can't do anything about it if he doesn't like it.
Now, if you're going to claim that the system the US Constitution set up, I'm going to laugh my ass off, then return to mocking you, because it will mean you're obviously too stupid to ever claim anything of value
"Because even Dellinger isn't stupid enough to believe that, which is why he dropped the case"
Mr. Dellinger has not dropped the case. The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals yesterday set an expedited briefing schedule. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25552116/dellinger-order.pdf The government's initial brief is due next week, and Dellinger's brief is due by April 4.
When I wrote the above comment, I was obviously unaware of Mr. Dellinger's statement of his intentions: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25553482-dellingerstatement030625/
Since it is the government defendants' appeal which has been docketed, the parties will need to submit a stipulation specifying how costs are to be paid and pay any court fees that are due. Otherwise the dismissal will require a motion to dismiss from the appellants. Fed.R.App.P 42(b).
Is the Executive allowed to refuse to allocate funds as legislated by Congress? Not according to the Constitution.
Who has the Constitutional power to order the Executive not to refuse? Hint: between Articles II and IV is another article.
Is it Article XII?
That was back in 2016, before DOGE slashed the Constitution down to a more manageable size.
"Is the Executive allowed to refuse to allocate funds as legislated by Congress? Not according to the Constitution."
1: In fact until the 1970s it was what every President did
2: In the vast majority of cases, Trump has NOT "refuse[d] to allocate funds as legislated by Congress". So, are you an ignoramus, or just a liar.
Instituting a "hold" while the Trump Admin decides which expenditures are valid, and which are not, is just the President exercising his Article II powers. There's NO legitimate grounds for a court to block him from doing that
In the vast majority of cases, my client did not kill and eat a clown.
Anyone concentrating on the exceptions is an ignoramus, or just a liar.
Heck, even the Gilgo Beach Killer didn’t commit murder on the vast majority of days. Why did people freak out so much over a few minor exceptions?
Gee, Sarcastr0, that was so clever!
Now, do tell us which of the cases Trump is actually refusing to spend $$$ Congressionally allocated for a task.
NED has a colorable claim for that. ANYONE else?
Or are you full of sh!t, as usual?
I don't recall anyone asking Trump his opinion about which expenditures were "valid," whatever that term is supposed to mean. I certainly don't see anything in Article II authorizing him to "decide" whether he wants to spend money. Maybe that is in Article XII.
No, shit for brains, it's in the appropriations laws.
Where, instead of Congress appropriating $$$ for specific things, they write broad general language leaving it to the Executive Branch, which is to say to the President or his appointed officers, to decide exactly how it will be spent.
Because the members of Congress didn't want to take responsibility for those trans comics, and all the other payoffs that USAID gave.
Which means that the new President, Trump, gets to use that language to decide which foreign aid programs are actually "in the best interests of the United States", and so will keep their funding, and which are, and so shall be cancelled, just as the contracts and laws allow.
Have you just completely slept through the last 50+ years?
"Is the Executive allowed to refuse to allocate funds as legislated by Congress? Not according to the Constitution."
What specific language says the president must spend every dime appropriated?
The Impoundment Control Act of 1974?
He said the Constitution.
Taking care that the laws, including the Impoundment Control Act of 1974, be faithfully executed?
But recall the Bob exception. That of which he is ignorant does not exist.
So can you sh!t for brains just not read? Since this is what Bob was responding to
"Is the Executive allowed to refuse to allocate funds as legislated by Congress? Not according to the Constitution."
Not "not according to Congress, as of 1974".
But do continue to double down on stupid
Other than a few minor things not relevant to this particular topic (like vetoes and pardons and nominations and treaties), the only power the president possesses is to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. Laws are the things passed by Congress. Apparently you didn't realize that; there's a Schoolhouse Rock video I can recommend to you.
If the constitution tells the president that he must do what Congress says — it does — and Congress says that he must spend money — it did — then it is a constitutional requirement that the president must spend that money.
Well, David, until the Impoundment Control Act of 1974 was passed, It was agreed by Congress, SCOTUS, and the Presidnet that the President had the power to spend LESS than Congress appropriated, just not more.
And now, Congress writes things like this:
Relevant Text Funding USAID Grants (H.R. 9747, Division F)
TITLE III—BILATERAL ECONOMIC ASSISTANCE
These sections fund grants and programs USAID directly administers or controls:
GLOBAL HEALTH PROGRAMS
Sec. 3001.
"For necessary expenses to carry out the provisions of chapters 1 and 10 of part I of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, for global health activities, $8,968,250,000, to remain available until September 30, 2026, of which not less than $3,500,000,000 shall be made available to the United States Agency for International Development: Provided, That this amount is in addition to funds otherwise available for such purposes under chapters 1 and 10 of part I of such Act: Provided further, That funds appropriated under this heading may be made available for a United States contribution to the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria (Global Fund), except that the amount of such contribution shall not exceed $1,650,000,000: Provided further, That up to 5 percent of the aggregate amount of funds made available to the Global Fund in fiscal year 2025 may be made available to USAID for technical assistance related to the activities of the Global Fund, subject to the regular notification procedures of the Committees on Appropriations: Provided further, That of the funds appropriated under this heading, up to $18,000,000 may be made available, in addition to amounts otherwise available for such purposes, for administrative expenses of the Office of the United States Global AIDS Coordinator."
If your brain is not complete tapioca pudding, you'll note that Congress gives the President an amount to spend, and that's it.
Which means the President gets to pick and chose which actual grants get funded
Because Congress gave him that power
What I really find appalling is how stupid your arguments are
You keep on quoting that the President has the responsibility "to take care that the laws be faithfully executed"
News flash: paying salaries to gender studies majors in DC is NOT an actual part of "fighting AIDS in Africa"
ALL the slush fund use of USAID $$ has been from previous Presidents failing "to take care that the laws be faithfully executed".
President Trump is finally stepping up and doing the job, and you a$$holes are attacking him for it
USAID has legal responsibilities which the president is obligated by law to carry out. USAID cannot carry out those responsibilities without personnel.
1: They can carry them out with a lot fewer personnel
2: Are you really that stupid? When I wrote
News flash: paying salaries to gender studies majors in DC is NOT an actual part of "fighting AIDS in Africa"
That was referring to the reality that the vast majority of the $$$ in the USAID contracts was being skimmed off by "non-profits" in the DC area, with only a tiny part of the $$$ going to the thing that's claimed to be helped.
Trump is working to get rid of all the skimming, and until he has, he is doing his JOB by making sure no $$$ go out to be skimmed
He's not allocating the funds, he's executing them. Or choosing to not execute them. An executive function.
But is he taking care that the laws be faithfully executed? Not when he refuses to spend appropriated funds.
Why the Clinton and the Republican Revolutionaries think a line-item veto was necessary when all along the President could just have not spent the money?
"Not when he refuses to spend appropriated funds."
So Congress appropriates a million dollars for 5 million pencils. The executive finds a supplier for the pencils but for 900,000. Does the executive violate the Constitution by not spending the full million dollars?
Why engage with these disingenuous hacks? They know Congress never passed a law mandating that the President spend $10M on male circumcision in Mozambique, or $8M to promote LGBTQ+ advocacy in Lesotho, or $250,000 to increase vegan local climate action innovation in Zambia…
And if they don’t, they’re idiots.
If Congress tells him to spend $1M on 5 million pencils, then yes. If Congress authorizes him to spend up to $1M to get 5 million pencils, then no.
Yes, the president has authority to direct federal agencies to implement his policy agenda consistent with the underlying statutes. And the president's exercise of his constitutional authority is not inconsistent with any statute. It is apparently inconsistent with the policy agenda of some district court judges. The judiciary is the bad constitutional actor here.
Show me the words "implement his policy agenda" in Article II or any other part of the constitution.
To the confused trolls out there, I offer this further clarification (which of course they won't understand because, well, they're trolls and not really interested in an adult conversation. And they're stupid, otherwise they wouldn't be trolls). The authority vested in the president by virtue of Art. II encompasses the power to control and direct executive agencies to implement his agenda. An agency “may not simply disregard an Executive Order. To the contrary, as an agency under the direction of the executive branch, it must implement the President’s policy directives to the extent permitted by the law." Sherley v. Sebelius, 689 F.3d 776, 784 (D.C. Cir. 2012). Myers v. United States, 272 U.S. 52, 153 (1926) "The ordinary duties of officers prescribed by statute come under the general administrative control of the President by virtue of the general grant to him of the executive power, and he may properly supervise and guide their construction of the statutes under which they act in order to secure that unitary and uniform execution of the laws which Article II of the Constitution evidently contemplated in vesting general executive power in the President alone."
An argument rejecting the president’s authority to implement his agenda upends the constitution by essentially eliminating his control of the federal bureaucracy.
Show me the words "his agenda" in Article II.
And here we have an example of why it is pointless to directly engage with trolls. They're not interested in an honest exchange of ideas, because of the troll thing, and they're stupid as the day is long.
Riva, looking at the text of the Constitution and reading its early history, I think it's not accurate to say (or imply) that the president was delegated unfettered power to make "his agenda" our agenda.
As Chief Justice Marshall emphasized in McCulloch v. Maryland, "we must never forget, that it is [our national] constitution we are expounding." Chief Justice Marshall also elaborated on the most important principles of our national constitution:
"The government of the Union [ ] is, emphatically, and truly, a government of the people. In form and in substance it emanates from them. Its powers are granted by them, and are to be exercised directly on them, and [exclusively] for their benefit. This [national] government is acknowledged by all to be one of enumerated [limited] powers. [ I]t can exercise only the powers granted to it . . . . . That principle is now universally admitted."
As Justice Alito (joined by Justices Scalia and Thomas) put it in a dissenting opinion in Obergefell v. Hodges, 576 U.S. 644, 741 (2015), "In our system of government, ultimate sovereignty rests with the people, and the people have the right to control their own destiny."
The very first words of our Constitution emphasize that "We the People" created our "Constitution" and "Union" to "establish Justice" and "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves." Three times (in Section 1 of Articles I, II and III) our Constitution emphasized that We the People merely "vested" only parts of our sovereign "powers" in our public servants in each branch of government.
After emphasizing the sovereignty of the people, our Constitution emphasized the power of the representatives who are elected by the people.
Congress (very much like Parliament) was expected to be far more powerful and influential than the president. As an important and powerful example, Congress (not the president) has the power to declare war. Article II made the president a lot more like Article III judges (filling in the interstices) than presidents now care to acknowledge.
We the People vested power in Congress (and imposed the duty on Congress) to "make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution" absolutely "all" the "Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."
We the People vested power in the president (and imposed the duty on the president) to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" and do (only) whatever is necessary and proper to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" to "the best of" the president's "Ability." The president's powers necessarily are constitutionally limited to the foregoing.
If it is so clearly unconstitutional for the President to refused to spend appropriated money, why did Congress consider it necessary to pass the Impoundment Control Act in 1974?
Musk seems to have different goals from Project 2025. His goals are in some ways even more extreme.
It may be that the evangelicals were just chumps who were allowed to think they were driving things. Musk’s goals are very different and his are the ones being implemented.
Man, you got the "Windy" part down, the "Attorney" one, umm,
"Not so much" (anyone know where "Not so much" began?, sounds like a "Seinfeld" thing, but I've seen every "Seinfeld" and you, Windy Attorney, are no "Seinfeld")
Executive Orders have been a "Thang" since June 8, 1789 when George Washington (His Friends called him "1") asking executive department heads to provide “a full precise, and distinct general idea of the affairs of the United States” they oversaw.
The only President who didn't issue any Executive Orders was William Henry Harrison, who died 1 month into Orifice, so he gets a break, even Brain Dead Parkinsonian Joe Biden managed, 93 in his 4 years, "47" is currently at 81, so pretty good bet he'll surpass it.
"Tough Shit"?? man, you need to modernize your profanity game, that's like 1970's Truck Stop Cashier mode, when you complain the Condom dispenser is stuck, here's what you do, go on "Tik Tok" , select any random teen girl's videos, you'll get language that would make Sailors 500 years in the future blush.
Frank
I'm not sure about the "attorney", either.
A real attorney would be concerned about the elimination of the right of appeal.
Specifically, firing Dellinger as they did can only be ascribed to a desire to make Trump a king. If they had an actual reason to fire him, the law would allow it. But they didn't even try to come up with a reason, not even an obvious pretext. They deliberately chose to fire him for no reason specifically to set up this legal confrontation so they could establish that there are no checks on Trump.
Poor David
Firing Dellinger as they did can only be ascribed to a desire to get Seilia Law applied to everyone in the Executive Branch
As it should be, because
Article II
Section 1
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.
And Dellinger has pulled his case, because even he is smart enough to know he has no case.
So David, is your problem stupidity, or just dishonesty?
There have been tens of thousands of firings in the executive branch. Many of which are probationary employees who are easier to fire (hence why blanket firings targeted them) but even among some of them, there is a 'for cause' requirement.
Riddle me this; if DOGE sends out 10,000 letters telling every single person in identical form language that 'their performance does not meet the administration's expectations for serving the public interest' in what way is that action defensible? Does everybody in every federal job have the same exact public interest at stake? Do the people with stellar performance reviews automatically get lumped in with all who had mediocre reviews; poor reviews? Or, most likely, if the person who wrote the mass letter firing people due to lack of performance NEVER even looked at their performance? Never consulted management?
What if the person ordering the firing isn't even an officer of the government and the govt lawyers in court can't even answer basic questions from the Court defending all this nonsense?
There are lists out there comparing Trump's executive orders with various chapters of Project2025 and its pretty much exactly a 1 to1 match of what Project2025 recommends and what the executive order commands. From birthright citizenship to firing tens of thousands of federal employees. It is not even debatable at this point. And no, not every federal judge is an 'activist' judge for ruling against King Trump. And the executive vesting clause does not a monarch make. Sorry MAGA. Pine for your strong man dictator-daddy somewhere else.
1: No one working for the gov't should be protected from being fired. If Civil Service was EVER a good idea, it stopped beign one once we got to the point where more than 20% of the adult population has college degrees
A representative democracy requires a gov't that is subject to the will of the voters, and that means gov't employees shoud be firabel and their "resisitance!" should get them canned
2: They were hired by Democrats. That means they're pretty much guaranteed to be saboteurs ready to screw over the Trump Admin.
And that is just cause to fire them
3: I was a big fan of Project 2025 during the election season, so saying "they're doing that" gets you a "yay! I'm glad!"
The Project 2025 people scoped out a lot of ways you scumbag leftist enemies of democracy used Civil Service et al to overturn the election results when a republican wins, and came up with ways to defeat that.
I am shocked, but happy, that this time Trump is effectively going after his, and our, enemies
"They deliberately chose to fire him for no reason specifically to set up this legal confrontation"
Ok. Test cases happen all the time. Its only bad when Trump does it.
"no checks on Trump"
He won't be president forever. The dismissal power will apply to future Democratic presidents too.
It's bad to violate the law entirely gratuitously. It's one thing if you think it's important to get X done and the law might forbid it, so you do it to see if the courts will uphold it. But that's not this. They have no reason to fire Dellinger. They don't think there's anything wrong with him being Special Counsel. We know that, because if they had a reason they'd have just said so and fired him.
David, the President was intended to be a temporary king.
They wanted to make Washington a king, he refused, but the office was defined for him -- as a temporary king.
Remember how Jefferson became Adams' VeeP.
Is that in your dissertation?
Please familiarize yourself with the history of the Constitutional adoption and the ratification debates. This is exactly what Hamilton wanted and it was the anti-Federalists who would have stopped him except for the Bill of Rights compromise. The anti-Federalists were right, of course. But Hamilton won.
There's no authority that you can identify to prove that "the President" (as envisioned in our Constitution) "was intended to be a temporary king." Our Constitution (twice) expressly outlawed any "Title of Nobility" (in state or national government). See Article I Sections 9 and 10.
Article II also emphasized that the president must be ALLOWED to remain in office by delegates chosen by states every 4 years, and he " shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for" any "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" (which, except for treason, are defined by Congress).
"The President . . . shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of" any "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" (which, except for treason, are defined by Congress).
We the People vested power in Congress (and imposed the duty on Congress) to "make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution" absolutely "all" the "Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."
We the People vested power in the president (and imposed the duty on the president) to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" and do (only) whatever is necessary and proper to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" to "the best of" the president's "Ability." The president's powers necessarily are constitutionally limited to the foregoing.
This is about the concept of rule of law -- and it ain't that.
It's not what the judges are ruling, they're wrong but they still would be defensible in that regard.
IT'S THAT THERE ARE NO APPEALS!!!!
The basic principle of American law is that everyone has the right to an appeal before a disinterested person. That's like the cops saying everyone they arrested is guilty an d
That is not in fact a basic principle of American law, let alone "the" basic principle of American law. Having an appellate process may be a desirable thing, but due process does not require any appellate rights at all.
I’d be fascinated to read that section of your dissertation. Because anyone who’s actually learned about law knows that it is a basic principle of American law that affording appeals is entirely a matter of legislative grace.
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"should analyze why the current administration thinks it can do whatever it wants via executive order "
Because that has become a Presidential habit. It's nothing new.
At this point, it is ridiculous to claim this administration is doing nothing new.
Via EOs and via DOGE and via OMB and via OPM.
This is not just Presidenting like everyone in the past did.
Barack "I've got a pen and a phone" Obama set up the US Digital Service, which Trump renamed the US Doge Service, using the exact same powers that Obama's USDS had.
You didn't bitch about it then, so you can STFU about how "unprecedented" it is now.
The only thing "unprecedented" about what Trump is doing is that he's fighting the Democrats embedded in the bureaucracy, rather than using them to execute his will.
Spending taxpayer $$$ on trans comics in various foreign countries is FAR more "dictatorial" than anything Trump has done, because Trump is doing what he ran on, and what the voters want.
Whereas "trans comics" were never run on, and only a vanishingly small % of voters support them
The U.S. Digital Service did not claim to have any powers, and also Congress in fact expressly ratified its creation.
"Maybe somebody should analyze why the current administration thinks it can do whatever it wants via executive order and why lower courts keep saying they can't."
or why the past administration did the same about student loan forgiveness.
Dude please call your therapist
"When I write that Justices should resign, I am not being a polemicist."
Cue the See Nobody Cares meme.
It's been worn out replying to your tired ass shit.
Cue the I Don't Think About You At All meme.
that's worn out also, how can I put it diplomatically?
"You 36 year old bald-headed fag blow me, You don't know me, You're too old, Let go, It's over, nobody listens to techno!"
Shorter Blackman: Down is up and backward is forward.
C'mon Man! (HT SJ Biden) you're just jealous he's got all these hot young future lawyers going down on "Mock Court Videos" for him,
and some of them are even chicks (Rim Shot)
When I write that Justices should resign, I am not being a polemicist.
The fact that you clearly believe this is more troubling than the polemics themselves.
Blackman crashing out like this brings a smile to my face
You know what brings a smile to my face?
Rep Alexandria Ocasio Cortez (D, NY) : "Would you stop leaning on me!!!"
Rep Ilhan Omar (D, MN): "Don't Push him onto me!"
Rep Alexandria Ocasio Cortez (D, NY) "Representative Turner! wake up!!, stop sleeping!!!"
Rep Ilhan Omar (D, MN) "he's not sleeping, he's dead"
Rep Alexandria Ocasio Cortez (D, NY): "Get that Jamal Bowman to pull the fire alarm! oh, that's right, he didn't get reelected, can you believe he thought I'd go out with him?"
With 210 votes -- 10 Ds -- Green was censured today.
Um, okay? If weird fanfics bring you smiles - that's weird but i dont judge kinks.
The SC did do something, let whatever stand. If these are temporary things, absent some horrible constitutional infraction, no need to get involved.
Blackman is correct that someone should resign, because he has lost his way.
It's not Roberts or Barrett. It's him.
These non-appealable orders are novelties, which I believe in the full course of time will be adjudicated as mostly inappropriate. Declaring an existential emergency because the president you like can't get his way RIGHT NOW is bogus.
There is nothing wrong with justices insisting on the issue being fully briefed (AKA not settled by the emergency docket.) If anyone attempts to game the system by mooting these controversies after having won with a TRO before an appellate determination can be made, then perhaps there a more aggressive appellate posture is required. We are far from that point.
I feel confident that eventually we will get a judgment on whether district courts can micromanage executive branch disbursements through injunction swatting. A key fact in any such determination is whether payment is due for work already contracted/performed, or pending. All sides have muddied that water. Hopefully we can also find out whether equitable relief is appropriate, or plaintiffs need to go to federal claims court.
"A key fact in any such determination is whether payment is due for work already contracted/performed, or pending."
Which should move this case to Federal Claims, the proper venue.
I would tend to agree. But following somebody's live commentary about one of the district court arguments going on right now, apparently this can interact with the APA too. At least that is exactly one of the questions being litigated right now by the plaintiffs--I assume because it is favorable ground, keeping them out of federal claims court. As a non-lawyer, I find that cause of action a bit confusing with regard to standing (but I understand many actual lawyers find federal standing questions confounding too.)
That's supposedly the lawyer's superpower: turning every question into one about procedure.
"payment is due for work already contracted/performed,"
Breach of contract claims normally don't get decided on a TRO basis. Judgment on pleadings perhaps or summary judgment or even a trial.
The plaintiffs are not the parties to all the claimed 2 billion either. So its a de facto class action. You think this is normal?
These non-appealable orders are novelties, which I believe in the full course of time will be adjudicated as mostly inappropriate. Declaring an existential emergency because the president you like can't get his way RIGHT NOW is bogus.
Go fuck yourself
Unelected and unaccountable district court "judges" playing games so they can overturn the election results (TRO that Biden Admin policies must be kept, and Trump can't change things) is an assault on our Constitutional order that is infinitely worse than anything the protesters did on Jan 6 2021.
Trump became the President on Jan 20, 2025, and that meant that respect for our representative democracy / Constitutional form of gov't means he gets his polices starting the second he's sworn in to office.
There's a greater than 2 month delay between when the President wins, and when he's sworn in. Once he's sworn in, your upset is irrelevant.
So take your "it's only a six week delay" and fuck off and die. We won, you lost. The second your asshole gets into place he/she/it will order the undoing of everything our guy did.
So yes, Trump gets to undo everything your guy did, right now
I do not see the word "policies" anywhere in the Constitution.
You write so many words!
I thought Blackman was hard to interpret. Cynicism, opportunism, or stupidity, in what mix? This post delivers clarity. It's cynicism and opportunism, driven by stupidity.
Chief Justice Roberts has been the most skilled and effective advocate for right-wing-promoting judicial policy the Court has seen since before the Franklin Roosevelt Administration. Blackman—who habitually struggles to publicize right wing bona fides—calls for Roberts to resign—a blunder staggering to behold.
I have not criticized Blackman much, because I almost never read his stuff. If you ignore Blackman, the only ill effect on this forum that will usually trouble you is his awkward energy. It makes better commentary scroll out of sight too quickly.
But I have to confess, Blackman's cringe quotient has gone so high, I no longer mention this blog to anyone. I do not wish someone whose good opinion I might cultivate to take a look, and discover in what peculiar company my comments appear. Luckily for me, I have no professional reputation to guard.
I do wonder why Volokh, Kerr, Somin, Adler, and their similarly situated professional compatriots let Blackman continue to embarrass their own efforts.
"because I almost never read his stuff."
Stephen,
I applaud your wisdom.
Mark your calendars, today I agree with Blackman.
Had to happen sometime, right?
USAID dispute is nothing more than a contractual dispute dressed up as a breathless constitutional crisis. No judge has the authority to make the Treasury pay out 2 billion dollars without a contract review. Do these parties even have standing? Has anyone looked at the terms of the contracts? How much actual work has been performed?
Maybe they are owed it the money, maybe not, but there are proper avenues avenues to seek claims, this isn't it.
As for Roberts and Barrett resigning, there is no guarantee their replacements would rule any differently.
SCOTUS declining to hear important cases is nothing new. Before CA6 created a circuit split, the court refused to grant cert on same-sex marriage cases.
Supreme Court is supreme because it CAN instruct all other courts (through mandamus or otherwise) - it doesn't have to, and in some cases it makes sense not to. If the cases are so important for constitutional law, then it makes even more sense to wait until the merits stage. We learned the lesson in TikTok v. Garland.
Contrary to popular belief, the Government is almost never irreparablely injured by an injunction against newly established policies. Inability to fire officers, for example, does not establish any harm beyond abstract ones. In my view, those seeking relief at the SCOTUS must show how the lower court created an irreparable injury to the applicant; the mere fact that someone was wrongfully enjoined does not merit intervention by justices.
“Inability to fire officers, for example, does not establish any harm beyond abstract ones.”
So if all the previous administration’s cabinet officers refused to resign thereby preventing the new president from nominating replacements, and a random district court judge said he couldn’t fire them, that would only create an “abstract” injury? That’s not only legally wrong, it’s absurd and undemocratic.
This will be fixed by the Christmas Shutdown -- the government will be shut down shortly in a budget impasse that will last until Christmas. Dems don't have 2/3 majorities to override.
ABC may just be misguided, but the Chief is clearly compromised, if not legally, at least in his character. Both should go and be replaced by Constitutionalists.
Constitutionalists
Area man passionate defender of what he believes the Constitution to say.
Hey, don’t bring me into this.
Are you or are you not a passionate defender of what you believe the Constitution to say?
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Compromised LOL...how, exactly? Are you like one of the idiots I saw online earlier suggest he was on the Epstein client list?
Really don't understand people who go full conspiracy when things don't go their way.
I really don't see what Chief Justice Kagan has to do with it.
Or, hear me out, Roberts and Barrett think that the TROs were not appealable under the governing law and precedent.
Article III, § 2 of the Constitution provides:
In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.
Congress has made orders interlocutory orders of the district courts granting, continuing, modifying, refusing or dissolving injunctions, or refusing to dissolve or modify injunctions appealable as of right, per 28 U.S.C. § 1292(a)(1). Congress has not made district court orders granting temporary restraining orders or administrative stays appealable as of right.
Easy peasy.
The instant case is even easier. The order appealed from is a final order granting declaratory and permanent injunctive relief. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.277297/gov.uscourts.dcd.277297.33.0_1.pdf The order is accordingly appealable as of right by the government defendants under 28 U.S.C. § 1291.
When I said the "instant case," I was of course referring to Hampton Dellinger's lawsuit, not the USAID case.
What you wrote illustrates what is wrong with all of this. Trump and Musk are ignoring federal law. This is not a conflict between the executive branch and the judiciary, it is a conflict between Trump and the rule of law. The courts trying to find a compromise is exactly what they should not be doing. They need to force Trump to follow the law and damn the political consequences. Judges are not supposed to be politicians.
You're as a bad as Blackman. If they were (clearly) just ignoring the law, there would be slam dunk summary judgments.
I don't have a VC program to know all the players, but I'm guessing your someone who thought that Biden was just following the law, nothing to see here, when he attempted to cancel student loan debt.
From the collapse in illegal migrant border crossings, it's pretty clear that Biden was not really enforcing the law like he claimed. Because when a different administration came along, even without the help of a "bipartisan" Senate bill, the numbers collapsed. It's almost like admitting people who weren't legally claiming asylum at a port of entry, and granting them hearings years in the future and stay in the country until then, only incentivized more to try and come. Crazy.
Sending migrants to lawless concentration camps will reduce the numbers of people trying to cross. That does not make it a good plan.
Summary judgments require none of the facts to be in dispute. Trump's lawyers can't stop lying to judges for that. They can't even say for sure who is running DOGE.
Blackman is rather deceitful in this post, preying on the predictable ignorance of the MAGA bobbleheads in the commentariat to stoke outrage. TROs in federal civil cases are not normally appealable because they are TEMPORARY -- they last for only 14 days (F.R.C.P. 65(b)(2)) unless the parties agree that the order can remain in effect longer. For the order to be able to remain in effect longer over the objection of the restrained party, the court needs to enter a preliminary injunction, which is normally done after briefing and an evidentiary hearing. (F.R.C.P. 65(a).) The order entering or denying the preliminary injunction is then appealable (28 U.S.C. § 1292(a)(1)), because there's an actual evidentiary record for the appellate court to consider.
At this point in Supreme Court history, when not speaking about a particular case from, e.g., 1943 or 2024 it's important to separately identify Justice Robert H Jackson and Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson. "Justice Jackson" is insufficient.
Why would Justices resigning do anything when idiots like Biden put a utterly sophomoric Brown in --- unsuitable at any age.
I am sure you say the same about aging Senators but is it logical to think anybody would follow this rule in their own case!!
Why would anybody that voted a 90-year old Feinstein in not do the same again.
TAKE A GOOD LOOK, you are asking the people who voted these people in to diss themselves 🙂
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A Freudian slip, I'm sure.
Because she's deceased?
I think a better solution is for Josh Blackman to resign.