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Washington's Neutrality Proclamation And Trump's Ukrainian Proclamation
During the American Revolutionary War, France made the strategic decision to assist the fledgling United States. A primary, if not motivating factor, was that France sought to weaken its adversary Great Britain. In effect, the American Revolutionary War became something of a proxy conflict between Great Britain and France. I'm not sure the French monarch had much of an abstract interest to support an uprising by a ragtag bunch of colonists against another colonial superpower. Still France's support of the Continental Army was pivotal. But for this support, we might still be paying taxes on our tea.
France benefited from the American victory. It is no coincidence that the treaty of peace between Great Britain and the United States was signed in Paris. France became the United State's greatest supporter. America sent its top diplomats, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, to Versailles.
Yet, the French Monarch's support of American war efforts may have had an unintended consequence--as military intervention often does. The American Revolution set the fuse of revolutionary efforts around the world. The French revolution was a byproduct of the American Revolution.
Imagine the counterfactual. What if the French monarch decided to not assist the Americans, and Great Britain put down the domestic violence. (That would be an actual insurrection!) Would the French Revolution have ever succeeded? Who could ever know for sure. But reality is known, and the French monarch's support of revolution in America contributed to the end of the monarchy. And heads rolled.
Fast-forward to April 1793. War broke out between Great Britain and France. What does the United States do? At the time, many Americans felt a strong sense of loyalty towards France, especially in light of their support for the Continental Army. Likewise, many Americans felt a strong sense of hostility towards Great Britain. Wouldn't it make the most sense to support France?
President George Washington made a fateful decision: he issued the Neutrality Proclamation. The United States, and the American people, would play no role in the conflict. This proclamation today is studied largely from the perspective of the separation of powers. Alexander Hamilton as Pacificus argued that Washington had the executive power to issue the proclamation. James Madison as Helvidius argued that Congress, and not the President, had the power to set foreign policy. But beyond these legal issues, Washington made a political judgment. He deemed it better to stay neutral, even at the cost of alienating America's staunchest ally. Washington recognized that in the field of foreign affairs, alliances are fluid. Allies become enemies and enemies become allies. These relationships are not fixed in stone, but wax and wane based on present-day circumstances. Several months after the Proclamation, France recalled Citizen Genet.
I think history has vindicated Washington's political judgment as an important act of statecraft. But in modern times, Washington's vision has been obscured. Institutions like the United Nations and NATO are premised on the notion that all members must treat other members equally in perpetuity. And after World War II, there have been a never-ending string conflicts where powerful nations exert military force to promote some aspirational goal. In each case, those conflicts have been largely unsuccessful at the cost of much bloodshed. Korea. Vietnam. Afghanistan. Iraq. And so on.
I write this as a reformed Hawk! If you had talked to me in 2002 or 2003, I would have said the Bush Doctrine was just, and the United States had the moral cause to spread democracy around the globe. The events of the last decade or so have convinced me that model is so badly flawed. How many Americans died in Afghanistan over the course of two decades? And what happened as soon as Americans pulled? The Taliban resumed power.
This background brings me to the current conflict in Ukraine. I don't pretend to possess any special knowledge about foreign policy. But from my narrow viewpoint, I see not a revolution of foreign policy, but a restoration. Trump is doing what Washington recognized early on: it will no longer be the policy of the United States to support military efforts abroad unless those conflicts directly advance American interests. Trump said, "I'm not aligned with Putin. I'm not aligned with anybody. I'm aligned with the United States of America." The failures of the past century provide ample support for Trump's view. Elites will howl that we are abandoning our allies and post-World War II settlements, and so on. These relationships are not fixed in stone, but wax and wane based on present-day circumstances.
To be sure, there will likely be a tragic loss for the Ukrainians. But those losses are compounded on top of so many more losses over the past several years. From the outset, this was a futile war that could never be won by Ukraine. At most, this conflict could have led to a fragile stalemate that could explode at any time. When Trump says the war could have been avoided, he means that Ukraine should have simply surrendered a war it could not win, and relinquished the territory that was sought by Russia. Treatises of law review articles about international law says that countries do not barter territory anymore. Says who? Law professors?
At least in ancient times, when a larger nation threatened a smaller nation, and demanded certain territory, the smaller nation faced a stark choice: surrender the land or suffer mass casualties and then surrender the land. The post-WWII settlement provides that other large nations will intervene to help the small nation to promote some aspirational principles. But that approach seldom works. And it pains elites to admit as much. Trump says what others are unwilling to say. He does so crassly, and in an insulting fashion, but stripped of the hyperbole, his message is a timeless one. (And I have to imagine Trump harbors some resentment against Zelensky in particular for the events leading to the first impeachment.)
I think restoration describes the Trump approach in more ways than one. On a panel, I recently praised DOGE as a way to destroy the Wilsonian civil service model, and bring back the Jacksonian spoils system. Another panelist said that it was wrong to praise Jackson, because the spoils system was so problematic. To be sure, there were problems with the spoils system, but I see far greater problems with the permanent bureaucracy. If forced to choose between Wilson and Jackson, I know who I'd pick. Again, we are witnessing a restoration, not a revolution.
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No one is surprised you are no longer a hawk alluva sudden.
Like no one is surprised you've been a prick, like, forever.
You're not a hawk either, remember?
And Im not, your false choice aside.
I recently praised DOGE as a way to destroy the Wilsonian civil service model, and bring back the Jacksonian spoils system
That's a lot of words to say that you want to see more corruption and less good government.
As long as the corruption is by people he likes it is cool by him.
In my experience "corruption by people I like" is what everyone means when they say "good government"
Not true. Facts get in the way.
Facts like Democrats being the majority of government bureaucrats, and corrupt?
Not a serious response.
You forgot to mute him.
It's true that Woodrow Wilson, as a progressive, expanded the application of the apolitical civil service system to higher level regulators, that was not a rebuke of the Jacksonian spoils system, which had already been undermined by the Pendleton Act enacted 30 years earlier under Chester Arthur.
Did you mean Woodrow "Arch-racist" Wilson?
Relevant how?
The purpose is to keep the peace and prevent WWIII. Putin will not stop at Ukraine. The Baltic states, NATO members, are next. It sure sounds like you think we should withdraw from NATO and remain neutral. Lindbergh would be proud of you.
It sure sounds like you think...
Josh doesn't actually think about policy. The extent of his "thinking" is figuring what he can say that might please Trump or his lieutenants.
I know, I know, first South Vietnam, then Laos, then Thailand, then Indonesia, 50 years later, does anyone give a fuck that North Vietnam won?? (and they won, we didn't "let them win" You drop 5 million tons of bombs, mine their Harbors, shell their coast with Battleships, deploy 3 Marine Divisions, most of the Army, and you're still fighting on your own ground? Like Ashley Wilkes said in GWTW (if you have to ask you're beyond hope)
"Most of the miseries of the world were caused by wars. And when the wars were over, no one ever knew what they were about."
I'll put it less diplomatically, we don't want your fucking war
Frank
Should we leave NATO?
I don't want to go to war to prevent an enemy's illegal expansion (as we did in Vietnam). I want to threaten war to prevent it (which has kept us from WWIII).
NATO is a superfluous, at best, organization. Unless the USA says "We'll send troops", nothing else matters. Nobody takes Europe seriously.
When the Cold War ended, the Warsaw Pact was dissolved, because the reason for its existence had disappeared. The reason for NATO's existence had also disappeared, but for some reason we kept in existence and even expanded it (despite the promises to the contrary by the Bush I administration, which were merely oral and therefore (as Yogi Berra might put it) not worth the paper they were written on).
Can you imagine what our reaction would be if, instead of dissolving the Warsaw Pact, the Russians chose to keep and expand it, perhaps to the extent of admitting Cuba (which was never a member, even during the Cold War). And if they reserved the right to put missiles into Cuba. (Come to think of it, didn't Russia try that once? Remind me, how did we react to that?)
After repeated warnings that Russia would regard the admission of Ukraine to NATO as an unacceptable threat, we and Ukraine kept rolling down that path, until Russia invaded in hopes of installing a less hostile government in Kiev (or Kyiv, if you insist), or failing that to protect the pro-Russian regions in the eastern Ukraine which had seceded when the government in Kiev made it clear that they had no intention of respecting the interests of the pro-Russian half of its country's population. So it can fairly be said that NATO is not just superfluous, but the reason for cause the current war.
Although there isn't a "Warsaw Pact" per se, Russia has effectively kept the Warsaw Pact. Its only "member" is Russia, but I suppose one could include China, Iran and North Korea as honorary members of the club.
However, the reason for NATO's existence has obviously not "disappeared", unless you consider Russia an imaginary threat to Europe's peace and security.
Thanks for the regurgitated Kremlin talking points, though!
Are you contending that we should have held back from trying to integrate Ukraine or other Eastern European nations further in with the rest of Europe to placate the paranoia of Russian leaders that aren't really as paranoid as they presented themselves to be , and really just want to try and recreate the Russian/Soviet empire?
...until Russia invaded in hopes of installing a less hostile government in Kiev (or Kyiv, if you insist), or failing that to protect the pro-Russian regions in the eastern Ukraine which had seceded when the government in Kiev made it clear that they had no intention of respecting the interests of the pro-Russian half of its country's population.
Besides wanting Ukrainian to be the official language of Ukraine what "interests" of the pro-Russian citizens of Ukraine were not being respected by the new Ukrainian leadership in 2014? Are we talking such egregious violations of basic civil liberties that it justified an armed separatist movement backed directly from Russia from the start? Or for Russia to re-use its playbook from its violations of Georgia's sovereignty by giving Russian-speaking Ukrainians that had never lived in Russia passports declaring them Russian citizens that needed to be protected by Russia's military?
So it can fairly be said that NATO is not just superfluous, but the reason for cause the current war.
Sure. When police expand their operations in a crime-ridden neighborhood, it is their fault when the gangs terrorize innocent people to try and keep them from cooperating with the cops.
That isn't a particularly good analogy, but it still makes a ton more sense that blaming anyone other than Russia for Russia invading a sovereign nation in an effort to conquer it.
Trump's totally against "official language" proclamations...
Nobody takes Europe seriously.
The way you overuse that word, I think I can certainly stop taking you seriously. (Though I really never did.)
If Putin couldn't defeat Ukraine in the first three weeks by himself before Ukraine got foreign assistance, and couldn't defeat Ukraine in the three years since, he sure can't knock over all those European dominoes.
Go over and fight him yourself if it's that important. If it's not that important, then stop stealing my money to pay for other people to die and kill. Put your money and your life where your mouth is.
It will be funny to see what this goof says when we occupy Gaza as his Dear Leader wants.
"Occupy" you f'ing moron? What the f do you mean "occupy"? Shitheads like you probably think Israel "occupies" the West Bank. And I suspect you've let loose a few choruses of "from the river to the sea," although, being a shithead, you probably don't know what that means apart from it being anti-Israel.
"Go over and fight him yourself if it's that important."
Ah, the argument of a child still in grade school.
Go to bed, asswipe.
Yes and consider that Mr Obama sent no weapons requested to Ukraine.
I refer you to this recent speech to the EU Parliament:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewvrbvEckxQ
But during those weeks Zelenski did have the weapons that Mr Trump has sent to Ukraine. Absent those the war would have been over very quickly.
History will vindicate President Trump. Hacks like you, not so much.
It's not just that this Hitleresque vision of Russian European conquest is asinine on its face. It is. But it is also absurdly opposite to the reality that the war mongering supporters of an endless conflict in Ukraine are actually bringing the world to the brink of WWIII.
Bot trained on Neville Chamberlain speeches.
Uh huh, moronically parroting Neville Chamberlain comparisons for anyone who does not want to perpetuate this particularly messy Slavic regionally conflict is not exactly that compelling, especially coming from an anti-Israeli nut-burger like you.
What are the odds of Russia going after other states? They have been held at bay by Ukraine for 3 years. They do not have the man or firepower to go further. You seem to think Russia is this unstoppable force when they have shown to be anything but that.
“Nobody takes Europe seriously”
“You seem to think Russia is this unstoppable force when they have shown to be anything but that.”
Russian beta-cuck not very smart.
Russia (mostly) successfully went after Georgia in 2008. Then they went after Ukraine in 2014 and 2022. At that pace, we should expect them to try again by 2030.
I love how MAGA vacillates between "Ukraine is a lost cause even with American help, so we might as well abandon it" and "Russia can't actually win even if America steps aside."
Ukraine is not getting their land back. Like it or not, that is reality. Russia is not able to conquer Europe (Europe has about 3 times the population Russia does, for starters). They can be stopped fairly easily.
Then again, so could the Germans in the 1920's if Europe was willing to do anything.
"Putin will not stop at Ukraine. The Baltic states, NATO members, are next. "
Okay it is your fear but what is your direct evidence? And what price are you willing to pay to mitigate that fear. Do you support US boots on the ground? Or is it okay also long as only Ukrainians fight and die? It does come down to that.
OR
The US could try to get Mr Putin and Mr Zelenski to negotiate at least a ceasefire. Some European nations claim to have a plan; let's hear very soon and then discuss again.
Direct evidence of a prediction?
Ukrainians have agency, don’t pretend we are controlling them.
Trump has as much as said Putin gets what he wants. Russian media is celebrating.
Evidence? History. Putin even used the same rationale as Hitler: protect his ethnic nationals there.
At least Chaimberlain knew it was BS. He didn't throw in with it and declare the Sudetenland the aggressor.
You're aware he and France threatened to attack Czechoslovakia if they did anything to stop the Munich Agreement, right?
I am not aware of that, but I'm sure it's in Dr. Ed's dissertation.
Finland and Sweden sure seemed to think it...
Very different situations. We were relatively weak in 1793 and had enormous ties to England.
Not only that, it was periodic war between two powerful equals, not a bigger attacking a smaller they could roll over for conquest.
Here, we are so dominant we can fight it like any number of cold war proxies against expansionist empire just using supply chains. Even if his argument applied, it doesn't apply, any more than Chaimberlain's, driven by being in a position of weakness, which we are not.
I wonder why Blackman left Franklin out of the negotiations for support from France? Franklin charmed so much out of the French government they remained strapped for cash when their own revolution arrived.
Every department the government has and every regulation is there for a reason. For almost all, that reason was to solve a glaring problem that the lack of regulation allowed. If one wants to eliminate regulations and departments, ok, but you need to evidently what they problem was and why it is ok that that problem come back, or the problem is not relevant any more.
In most cases it's not that the problem will come back, or that it's not relevant anymore, but rather the problem was never real in the first place, or the regulation/agency never solved it and is therefore useless.
Neither Trump nor Musk has ever thought about those things.
Molly,
Well put.
"Don't tear down that fence until you know why it was put up."
Sounds like a reactionary slogan.
No, reactionaries oppose taking down the fence without bothering to find out why it was put up.
So, you would've opposed Brown v Bd of Education.
I mean, schools were segregated for a reason, RIGHT?
I don’t think there was much confusion about what that reason was.
It is foudnarionally conservative.
As in Burkean.
MAGA wouldn’t understand.
"Every department the government has and every regulation is there for a reason"
It is always amazing how the government is the one institution that has nothing extraneous in it.
I bet you've never once criticized an arrest. Or a fine. Not one single time.
I mean, they went against a law or regulation that was CLEARLY needed for a reason, right?
Tony --- All things in the state, nothing outside the state.
Dan stole my thunder, but I'm going to post the full quote anyway, damn it:
I will try to explain, for the benefit of the uneducated, that he wasn't saying, "Don't eliminate things." He was saying, "Don't eliminate things until you understand them."
I love the assumption that their purpose is unknown.
I know, you're smarter than all --- but you're as mistaken as mistaken can be.
So… what about Israel?
What about it? According to Josh, "it will no longer be the policy of the United States to support military efforts abroad unless those conflicts directly advance American interests."
If there were no Pearl Harbor, how long would we have stood by and watched Hitler do his worst? He conquered almost all of continental Europe. Kristallnacht. Jews in "internment camps". We stayed neutral. By Josh's lights that was the correct thing to do. And he's Jewish.
So you think the correct thing to do now is for the US to send troops to fight alongside the Ukraine, and escalate this conflict into WWIII?
That is hardly the only way to support Ukraine. Don't be so simple minded.
Sure. We can wear blue and yellow pins, and send Ukraine only enough arms, and under enough restrictions, to keep itself in a stalemate on the battlefield.
But people will eventually get sick of that.
Look up what FDR did to support Britain before Pearl Harbor. It was indispensable.
But ultimately insufficient.
Still pushing that false choice, eh?
Vich is vy zey schpeak Tzcherman in zee Voo Kay diese Tage...
And we have been supporting Ukraine plenty, to the tune of more than $180B in case and armaments (that's exactly what FDR did for Britain under lend-lease, to address your other claim, below).
But your are lamenting the fact that the US did not get involved in the war prior to Pearl Harbor, so you seem to be saying that was the wrong move. So, you don't want to send in troops - what are you complaining about?
Not $350 billion?!?
Yes. Why let Hitler take half the continent before we intervene? Didn't we learn anything from the last world war?
No. Negotiate a peace settlement with a guarantee of war if Russia resumes the fight.
Even if Russia would agree to a deal on terms that were remotely acceptable, why would such a threat be credible? We've continually signaled that we are unwilling to go to war with Russia.
If we're willing to make good on such a threat and we think Russia will be cowed, let's do it and get the pre-2014 borders back.
So, if Russia resumes the fight despite our guarantees, you want WWIII? Are you of military age? Do you have kids who are?
We already have a guarantee of war if Russia attacks a NATO nation. So long as the NATO nations hang together, Russia won't attack. Ditto on this deal.
That is a pretty good assumption as long as Starmer does not send in the RAF or British boots on the ground.
After that, count no chickens.
Why do you fear the bully, picking on someone smaller? You are wayyyyyyyyyy stronger than the bully.
Indeed. Start talking as soon as possible. That means that both Putin and Zelenski have to have a motivation to stop the combat.
Unfortunately, that is not guaranteed.
Why should the attacked country have any motivation other than defeat the aggressor?
Unless you buy into the increasingly Hitlerian talking point that the Sudetenland started it.
We could call it the Lavrov-Rubio Pact (but don't forget the secret protocol!)
Guess Blackman is all in on Russian control of Europe, and that this can't possibly effect the US.
The panel that Blackman keeps talking about is probably the one recorded on February 22, 2025, as part of the NCC’s President’s Council Retreat in Miami, Florida.
Other panels from that event have already been posted as podcasts. I'll get my vomit bag ready for when the audio of Blackman's bit is posted.
Russia can't defeat Ukraine in three years. What makes you think they can defeat all of Europe?
Who is fighting is not as important as who is paying.
The NATO alliance without the USA has two weeks or less of consumables for a non-nuclear war.
At this point, who know what Russia has left?
And if the USA has to foot all of the bill, they should be colonies, not countries.
I'm fine with everyone else being a wimp compared to us.
Because of that sad fact, I guess might as well push isolationism because America's lack of wimpiness gets in the way of expansionist empires.
Hi Stupid,
Do you think that this is a game?
Do you think that EU countries have the stomach to send in 100,000 boots? Do you think that there is popular support for that (maybe in Poland).
By this logic, the U.S. (and earlier the U.K.) should have let Hitler conquer Europe and complete the Holocaust. The point isn't that Putin exactly equals Hitler, but that your logic -- as stated -- cannot be universally correct.
Another minor difference; Russia can only expand in one direction without taking on Communist China. Germany had options.
As it turned out, that was a weakness of the German situation, not a strength.
“ If you had talked to me in 2002 or 2003, I would have said the Bush Doctrine was just, and the United States had the moral cause to spread democracy around the globe.”
You really believed that was what they were doing?
Yeah, the war was actually "for oil", which everyone knows the US seized and now counts in its reserves to this day.
“With great power comes great responsibility.”
— Voltaire.
The United States was a comparatively small, weak country in terms of population and resources in the 18th century. The situation today is different.
I thought that was Ben Parker that said that? Do you mean to tell me that Ben Parker was quoting Voltaire?
Korea? The US exerted force to prevent the annexation of SK by NK and was obviously successful. That the UN eventually added another goal (without much real consideration or investigation beforehand) they couldn't meet doesn't mean that they were "largely unsuccessful." And using four "failures" (when one wasn't a failure) as the only examples ignores the successful examples over the last century and much longer.
I'll note we are STILL in Korea some 70 years later to keep the peace. Not sure how that is a success.
Ask the South Koreans.
Well, I'm not sure why you're bragging about your own ignorance. We are still in SK some 70 years later to keep the peace and we've kept the peace. Sounds like, you know, actual mission accomplished. At low cost, and with the benefit of creating a stable and prosperous South Korean ally.
If we cannot leave EVER because war will immediately break out --- then, no, it is not a success. It is an expense we have had to bear for decades. It is not our job to keep the Koreas apart. It is their job to do so.
If we cannot ever stop brushing our teeth, can we really call oral hygiene a success? Don't get me started on laundry — you mean you can't just wash your clothes once; you have to keep washing them each week? That's absurd! Having to bear the expense continuously?!?!? Obviously a total failure!
" . . . and the United States had the moral cause to spread democracy around the globe . . . "
Sadly, you cannot spread democracy by military actions.
There is no way to force people to be free.
"Sadly, it is impossible to oppose a dictatorship invading a democracy with military force." FIFY
Not true, and even if it were true, it's still a value to stop expansionist evil empires.
I agree with you that Putin's Russia is an "expansionist evil empire." I think we've done the right thing by all the support we've given Ukraine so far. However, I, like the current administration (but, apparently, unlike you), recognize that our support must have limits.
(And this is before we get to their president trying to litigate in front of the press when he was supposed to do a simple photo-op gratefully accepting our latest assistance.)
If our limit is "$350 billion", we've actually still got quite a ways to go...
Blackman is utterly wrong. We are witnessing devolution, not restoration.
This is mediocre historiography, but I will even accept the premise and still say you are wrong.
The French Revolution and other conflicts were before the Second Industrial Revolution. At some point after the Second Industrial Revolution, the marginal gains from being good at trade began to outpace the marginal gains from being good at war for the first time in human history. The cost and viability of transporting goods decreased while the devastation to war increased. A heavy metal and unexploded ordinance laden Donbas isn’t worth the money and lives taken to get it.
The United States and other free trade countries benefit massively from a world without serious military conflict. We don’t have the resources or mind control powers to get authoritarian militaristic countries to turn into durable free trade democracies. We do have the have the capability to remind authoritarian militaristic countries of the lessons of WWI by amplifying the cost of distributing peace and trade on the relative cheap. Being neutral in Russia/Ukraine doesn’t serve even the interests of the United States even if you completely abstract the welfare and wellbeing of anyone outside of our borders.
This is too well said for it to get any traction with partisans.
Naturally, as usual, Blackman says whatever he thinks Trump would want him to say if Trump could be bothered to notice that Blackman even exists.
You know, you're free to grab a gun and go to Kiev. Nobody is stopping you.
Didn't Putin try that already?
Trump said, "I'm not aligned with Putin. I'm not aligned with anybody. I'm aligned with the United States of America."
But he is aligned with Putin.
Try listening to Jeffrey Sachs talk to the EU Parliament before spouting the usual neo-con line.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewvrbvEckxQ
Jeffrey Sachs went off the deep end years ago; he's a Tucker Carlson type conspiracy theorist at this point. I have no idea what happened to him, other perhaps than a mental defense mechanism to attempt to cope with the failure of his 'shock therapy' plans for Russia in the 1990s.
> The post-WWII settlement provides that other large nations will intervene to help the small nation to promote some aspirational principles. But that approach seldom works.
Hasn't it worked pretty well for the last 80 years? The changes to the map since world war 2 have generally either been from the peaceful breakup of countries or empires, or they have been the aggressor in a war loosing territory. In what sense is that not working?
This statement does not offer sufficient support, as the time period from 1815-1914 was also very peaceful and worked well enough without any significant US involvement in Europe.
If we're to ignore the fact that Blackman goes whichever way Trump blows this is an incredibly naive post.
The US's wealth and power is built on alliances and a stable international order.
Give in to Putin, and you signal that it's left that role. That means smaller countries start ignoring the US in favour of regional powers, and those regional power realize they no longer need to stay on the US's good side.
It also signals that the US's commitment to defending regional allies is very limited. That means that China and even NK start thinking it might be their opportunity to resolve their territorial disputes.
If Trump wasn't even willing to fund Ukraine do you think he's willing to go to war over Taiwan? Maybe... but you're a lot less certain than you'd be over Biden, Harris, or Obama. And that means that you maybe roll the dice while the window of opportunity is open.
Abandoning Ukraine costs the US a ton of soft power, and very much risks dragging it into a major war.
So how long does the war continue, especially with UK and other EU boots on the ground? And how long does that stay a war limited to the borders of Ukraine.
Are you willing to send you kids and/or grandkids there?
The ask is for foreign troops to guarantee the ceasefire... so your question is kinda incoherent.
And the point of sustained (or increased) US support is so the US doesn't have to send troops here.
Do you really think China won't take this as a signal that now is the time to take Taiwan? How confident are you that US troops won't get sucked into that?
Taiwan, er, "Chinese Taipei", should be made aware of the Blackman Doctrine: "it will no longer be the policy of the United States to support military efforts abroad unless those conflicts directly advance American interests."
The short version: Blackman has no principles or honor.
Comparing a President who could not tell a lie with one that cannot tell the truth.
America imports the vast majority of its tea from Canada and China. Tariffs are a tax. You do pay tax on your tea. Are you literate?
Does tea grow well in Canada?
"When Trump says the war could have been avoided, he means that Ukraine should have simply surrendered a war it could not win"
Blackman, he did not mean that. He did mean that Mr Zelenski should not have rejected the deal brokered by Turkey seven days after the war started. However, he listened to Biden and BoJo and has lost hundreds of thousands in lives, missing and casualties.
Cower and let expansionist empire grow, got it.
Setting aside that your timeline is off — while there were talks almost immediately, the ones in Turkey hadn't even begun seven days after the war started, let alone come close to a deal; that was months later — the notion that Biden and Johnson prevented it is pure Putin propaganda, repeated by the same people who have been pushing Putin propaganda over the war for the last three years. (And by that I don't merely mean that it's a Putin-friendly take, though of course it is; I mean that it is literally sourced to Putin.)
1) It was a Russian ultimatum, not a "deal." Ukraine was only willing to talk at all because Putin propagandists were arguing that Ukraine's position was hopeless and Russia was going to take Kyiv.
2) They never actually reached agreement on the terms of any "deal." The draft that has been leaked didn't even address territory or borders!
3) From Ukraine's perspective, the proposed "deal" would have involved Western security guarantees and yet the talks didn't include the countries that would've been required to supply them. (Stop me if you've heard that one before.) And from Russia's perspective, any security guarantees were to be subject to a Russian veto.
4) Ukraine did not proceed further with talks not because Zelensky "listened to Biden and Johnson," but because (a) the Russian attempt to take Kyiv had failed, making Ukraine's position better and making it less necessary for it to surrender; and (b) the Bucha massacre was revealed, making any peace talks with Russia a domestic impossibility for Zelensky.
To the extent there's even a grain of truth to your propaganda, it is a monstrous, evil Trumpian one: yes, if the west had told Zelensky that they weren't going to provide Ukraine with any support, Ukraine might have been forced to accept terms dictated by Moscow.
Trumpers always seem to have trouble with time (or maybe language) (or maybe logic): It would have been impossible for Ukraine to have "avoided" the war seven days after the invasion had started.
“Again, we are witnessing a restoration, not a revolution.”
I had never considered using the F word to describe Blackman until now.
There clearly was a mistake made in WWII when Britain and France tried to appease Hitler by agreeing to the surrender of certain territories.
It does not then follow that EVERY invasion of one country by another must be analyzed through the lens of 1939.
Maybe Putin should be treated like Hitler, but the mere mention of the name "Hitler" does not prove this point.