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If The Courts Want Their Orders To Be Followed, The Courts Must Issue Orders That Can Be Followed
Federal judges are walking on thin ice by issuing unappealable TROs and failing to stay their rulings.
Last weekend, I spoke on a panel about executive power. The other panelists ranged in positions from "We are in a constitutional crisis" to "We are almost in a constitutional crisis." My position, perhaps unsurprisingly, was that everyone needed to take a deep breath. I've seen no evidence, at all, that the executive branch is attempting to flagrantly violate any federal court order. To the contrary, the Trump Administration has taken every possible step to appeal adverse rulings, and avoid violating orders.
But the government can only do so much when judges go too far. Case in point is the litigation over USAID funding. On Tuesday, a district court judge ordered the Trump Administration to pay nearly $2 billion by 11:59 p.m. on Wednesday evening. The government insisted that it would be impossible to pay all of those amounts. It was not as simple as turning as light switch on. Yet, the District Court refused to stay its TRO.
The government sought an emergency stay from the D.C. Circuit by 1:00 p.m. on Wednesday. But the D.C. Circuit did not rule on the motion by that time. So the Solicitor General filed an emergency application for an administrative stay with Circuit Justice Roberts. Roberts granted that motion on his own before the midnight deadline. At least for the near future, the government will not be obligated to disburse the full amount.
After the SG filed the application, the D.C. Circuit denied the request for an administrative stay. (I am not certain what time the order was issued.) The court stated, yet again, that it will not entertain jurisdiction of an appeal from a TRO. Obviously, the Chief Justice disagreed.
Also on Wednesday, confirmation hearings were held for several nominees to the Trump Administration, including Solicitor General Nominee John Sauer. They were asked whether they would always follow a court order. I tell my students to never answer an "always" question. It is impossible to predict all of the circumstances that may arise. What if a federal judge ordered the President to immediately reinstate the chairman of the Joint Chief of Staffs, and refused to stay the ruling? Would that order have to be immediately complied with? It is better to hedge. And I think the nominees at the hearing hedged appropriately.
In the unlikely event that I were ever to appear before the Senate, I would answer the question a bit more directly: if the Courts want their orders to be followed, the Courts must issue orders that can be followed. District Court judges cannot issue global, unappealable administrative stays and TROs against the executive branch, forcing it to spend money on foreign policy, and then refuse to stay the ruling to permit a timely appeal.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Thankfully, Chief Justice Roberts stepped in with the solo administrative stay. But in some other case, perhaps coming from the First, Second, or Ninth Circuits, the Circuit Justices may not be as expeditious.
Federal judges are walking on thin ice by issuing unappealable TROs and failing to stay their rulings.
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Yes, it's definitely the judges' fault that the Trumpists are attacking the rule of law.
https://bsky.app/profile/davidallengreen.bsky.social/post/3lj3vhujrds23
And Hitler did a lot of good things for both Germany and Austria. He put people back to work, he promoted physical fitness for youth, he built a lot of public works, including the still-in-use Berlin subway system, he invented the concept of what became our Interstate Highway System, and the Volkswagen (People's Car), etc.
Never mind that part about murdering 12M civilians, 6M of whom were Jewish, or starting the most bloody war the world had ever seen, Hitler really was a nice guy.
/sarc
And for the clueless, I (a) am being sarcastic and (b) am trying to remind people that the ends do not always justify the means....
It's hard to tell sarcasm in this case, because some around here "like Putin", as do people in the highest positions of power (and seemingly not merely as a negotiation tactic of buttering them up) as do prominent talking heads literally doing exactly what you said, look, bread on shelves, no shortages.
Given Dr. Ed 2's history of hatred, calls for murder and genocide, and justifying means because of his preferred ends, it is indeed very hard to see that this is sarcastic without repeated disclaimers.
Leftism is a mental disorder.
Hitler was a Socialist.
Probably the stupidest thing Kazinski has ever said.
Well maybe you can explain the practical differences between National Socialism and International Socialism.
How would YOU respond to this thuggery?
https://freebeacon.com/campus/watch-columbia-radicals-storm-campus-building-in-protest-of-expelled-barnard-students/
At this point, I'd simply shoot the schmucks.
Thanks for demonstrating the point about your history, Dr. Ed 2.
They should probably be arrested for shoving guards, and perhaps for trespassing. Although it's not clear from that video exactly how bad the shoving was, none of it would seem to justify lethal force. I'd post some footage from January 6th but we already know how Dr. Ed 2 feels about that.
Except that Dr. Ed has repeatedly said this seriously, and it is, of course, wrong; it attributes accomplishments to Hitler that predate Hitler.
Out of sheer morbid curiosity I read this.
Not only do I say that Hitler did do good things for Germany & Austria, people who were THERE at the time have told me that. Kitty Werthmann comes to immediate mind, I've met her personally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ro0foFx354
How would you deal with THIS: https://www.thecollegefix.com/professor-who-developed-gaza-redevelopment-plan-targeted-with-threats-eviction-notices/
Sarcasm apparently expired within 8 hours, and Dr. Ed 2 seriously says Hitler did good.
Regarding "eviction notices" and tearing down academic papers, investigation seems like a good start; Dr. Ed 2 has called for nuking Gaza, so I'm sure he'd be happy to round up some of the people he hates whether they had anything to do with it or not.
Setting aside that Kitty Werthmann was seven years old, and in a different country, when Hitler came to power — and thus might not be the most reliable source of firsthand knowledge (for example, she's wrong about how the Anschluss came to pass) — Dr. Ed has somehow managed to misunderstand by 180° what she said.
No need explaining Ed to the rest of us. We all see it
he invented the concept of what became our Interstate Highway System
Funny. Here I thought there were roads, even big ones, thousands of years before Hitler.
Look, if a judge issues a TRO demanding that you break the speed of light, it's not your fault for violating the order. Backman is right: If courts want their orders to be followed, they must issue orders that are possible to follow.
But it's all to the good, because it's just building up the pressure for the Supreme court to finally rein in these sorts of orders.
It's not at all clear if the order was legit impracticable or if the government just ignored the order until you don't have enough time to comply.
Blackman don't care, and you'll believe anything.
We'll see how it comes out.
"On Tuesday, a district court judge ordered the Trump Administration to pay nearly $2 billion by 11:59 p.m. on Wednesday evening."
That sounds plausibly impossible to comply with.
They requested a stay by 1pm that Wednesday, which seems like a reasonable amount of time for them to have taken figuring out that compliance was impossible, and getting the request filed.
It is impossible to comply with.
look up when the TRO first started.
That’s the relevant date.
The administration's position was that the earlier order left them room to act without actually violating the order, while the new order on Tuesday had actually forced them to disburse funds, without regard to numerous factors such as, oh, whether the funds were actually due yet.
Who knew that a black robe made you a co-president.
Well, you apparently didn't know that the president's job is simply to obey the law, as written by Congress and interpreted by the courts.
"See that the laws are FAITHFULLY executed", not "obey."
And please point out where in the Constitution the courts have ANY right to "interpret" the laws....
And please also point out how an allocation is a mandate to spend.
It appears the idiot troll crazy Dave has just advocated for the end of the administrative state. Don't much care for a lot of what the bureaucracy does myself so maybe should thank the idiot for his support, although he obviously fails to understand the import of his own comment. Because he's an idiot.
You just might be shocked by how many deportation "orders" go unfulfilled. I'm actually sympathetic to the argument that court orders should have more bite, but we've been living under an imperial presidency since at least DACA. There is no such thing as a law that binds the executive, there is merely the president's whim.
Pretty obvious that the actual position of the administration was "Waaaah, we don't wanna."
And we don't have to.
Contempt of a Federal Court is an offense against the United States.
The POTUS has the power to pardon offenses against the United States.
Other than the odor, there is nothing preventing the President from issuing preemptive pardons, not unlike the "Indulgences" that so offended Martin Luther.
The POTUS could preemptively pardon everyone who was subject to a judicial order to do something he didn't want done, and as it would be clearly unconstitutional for a judge to order him not to pardon someone, he could ignore Federal courts with impunity if he wished.
The only response to this is political -- Impeachment. It's the exact same thing with him not spending all the allocated money in the first place, Congress' only recourse is political, impeachment.
Unlike the Dems, Team Trump respects the generic concept of "rule of law" and hence you have Bondi saying that "we will take this to the Supreme Court, if the Circuit Courts don't throw it out first."
But they don't have to.
Not surprisingly, Dr. Ed's legal analysis is wrong; the president can't pardon civil contempt.
Maybe not. But the courts cannot lock him or his Administration up either, unless, possibly, they are personally n court.
Indeed. Issuing an order that can't be followed (Or breaks other laws in following it) just asks for the order to be not obeyed.
If the judge orders at 1 PM for the individual in question to appear in the court in NYC by 4 PM that day, but the person is in Tokyo...it can't be followed.
...and if that's the case, the person in question should demonstrate that fact to the court, with actual evidence.
And if, as in this case, the judge doesn't care?
This happens all the time in state and federal courts across the country to ordinary litigants who do not get appeals from a tyrant in a robe.
If the argument that the President should have better access to the appellate system than an ordinary litigant, then I would propose that NOBODY, president or ordinary litigant should be subject to these petty tyrants in the first instance.
That is the real problem that needs addressed.
"that needs addressed"
You're from Pittsburgh. I recognize our disdain for using "to be" in sentences. I'm a fellow traveler, do it all the time. Now if you'll excuse me the coffee needs made.
The mark of a true yinzer is whether they now have, or have ever had, a toilet in the middle of their basement.
I never have, but my grandparents did. We did have the plumbing for one in the home I grew up in but it was never installed.
Linguists call it the "needs washed" construction.
That's "needs worshed", thank you.
We clearly need judicial reform...
And if the Judge previously ordered the person to not leave the country?
Besides: The judge, U.S. District Judge Amir Ali, gave the State Department and USAID until 11:59 p.m. Wednesday to pay its bills to contractors for work that had been completed before Feb. 13.
More than 24 hours to pay bills you typically would have paid in the last two weeks seems doable. Did the Trump admin try to comply at all or did they do the same thing as they did with the TRO, ignore it until it was impossible to comply and the Chief Justice was forced to grant an extension to try and preserve some vestige of the court's authority.
How do we even know, at this point, whether the bill was legitimate? We don’t know if it’s a fully justified payment, or some enterprise in the Caymans asserting that the charges were legitimate in their pleadings. No hearings on anything approaching the merits yet. Just the plaintiff’s assertions. And the judge believed them, ordering the USG to disperse $2 Billion based solely, it seems, on the say so of the plaintiffs.
Status quo ante here is the funds not disbursed. So, the judge sidesteps equitable remedy requirements and just issues a stay requiring that the moneys be disbursed.
Where is the evidence that any of the bill were illegitimate?
What does that have to do with whether it was possible to comply with the order or not?
Goobs, why do you even bother responding, if all you have to contribute is a repetition of the government's line? You're adding nothing to the comments here.
I agree that in your analogy, the order is unenforceable. But that's not quite what happened here, right?
USAID has this money. Absent a change in policy, USAID would have already disbursed this money. The order to disburse the money told them to restore the status quo ex ante pending resolution of the case. The government did not provide any specificity about why it's not possible to do something it would have been able to do 3 weeks ago.
So in your analogy, it would be the case that the party routinely broke the speed of light on an ongoing basis for years -- this isn't possible, but I'm trying to fit your analogy to the case at hand -- then announced that due to a voluntary change in policy, they would break the speed of light, and then when a judge ordered them to resume breaking the speed of light (whether or not that order will ultimately be upheld), insisted they absolutely could not but refused to explain why. The normal reaction would be "hey, this is a thing you did consistently until now, and when you originally stopped doing itm it wasn't because of any lack of capacity."
Clearly when it comes to compliance with any judge's order, the first entity to make a determination about whether the party is making a good-faith effort to comply is the judge, right? Like, the judge's determination might be wrong, but as a matter of process, if a judge asks you to do X, and you say "I can't do X", it's the judge's job to figure out whether or not you actually can't do X, not to accept your assertion, right? Again, totally fine if you think the judge's determination is ultimately wrong.
If your position is that the court can't order the government to pay a single red nickel because the original TRO / injunction / whatever are all categorically devoid of force and the executive has total and unlimited control over all foreign policy, then that's fine. I don't agree but it's coherent. But that would be an unlawful order, not an impossible one.
Stats quo ante is the funds undisbursed. The policies have been changed. And the opponents of the change are going to ultimately lose. This is just a stratagem to get ahold of the money, contrary to the revised polices. That’s why judicially pretending that policies are not in force, as the status quo ante, so that disbursements violating the new policies can be paid out, is silly.
This is not the right legal analysis. At all.
Like I didn't take remedies so plenty of nuance is lost on me but this is just bananas.
You're a lawyer you say?
"Absent a change in policy, USAID would have already disbursed this money."
SOME OF the money. An unknown fraction which was highly unlikely to be 100.00000%.
And not just impossible.
Presidents shouldn't comply with orders outside the traditional domain of the judiciary.
If a judge ordered the President to veto a bill, or invade Canada, the President shouldn't comply either.
Is the question of whether the President is complying with Congressional statutes and appropriations inside the traditional domain of the judiciary?
Another question related to the judiciary is that if President was not complying with the statute, would it be sufficient remedy to wait until a preliminary hearing (2 weeks) to order him to comply.
"Federal judges are walking on thin ice by issuing unappealable TROs and failing to stay their rulings.
Imagine that statement independent of Trump.
For example, imagine if the COVID mandates of five years ago had been challenged with equal vigor and success in the courts. Imagine if Herr Faucci and assorted Governors had been confronted with courts "issuing unappealable TROs and failing to stay their rulings."
Maine Governor Janet Mills issued an Executive Order that anyone entering the State of Maine must be quarantined for two weeks which was way more extreme than any of Trump's Executive Orders, imagine what she would have done with an "unappealable TRO" on that?
I think that what she said to Trump last Friday gives us good indication....
Donald Trump will not be on the national stage 30 years from now, and hence I suggest the importance of reflecting on the concept of Federal Judges "issuing unappealable TROs and failing to stay their rulings" independent of Donald Trump...
For those worried about "rule of law" -- this is a real threat to it!
There were a lot of challenges during the pandemic shutdowns, some of which were successful while most were not. It's almost like judges actually looked at the law regarding executive emergency powers during the worst pandemic in a century versus various constitutional rights and, you know, judged things.
"... you know, judged things."
I'm sure you meant to say made thing up.
Bumble is again sure of something that is not true.
I'm sure that you are NOT the arbiter of truth.
I am the arbiter of what I meant to say, though.
Fentanyl is the worst pandemic in a century -- OVERDOSES, not COVID, are the leading cause of death for young people.
Would you approve emergency powers to bust drug dealers?
It wasn’t the COVID-19 itself, but everything else, ranging from waiving election laws, stupidly closing down schools, to mandating the killer ModRNA vaccines that were so destructive.
killer ModRNA vaccines that were so destructive
I'd call this a lie, but it's more a delusion.
Point is it's demonstrably untrue.
Awww, Josh doesn’t like it when federal district judges kneecap a presidential administration now? What happened Josh? Is it because your favorite person is president now?
The judge would have a hard time enforcing the order. You can't throw somebody in jail for contempt unless that individual is doing or has done something wrong. Not "the administration", a specific person in the administration. The judge could spend the rest of the year deciding the merits of each individual contract claim and entering money judgments. Except that is the job of the Court of Federal Claims.
AND the President has the authority to pardon "offenses against the United States."
Unlike its criminal counterpart, civil contempt is not an offense against the United States.
The whole judiciary foray into this is headscratching. Congress appropriated the money so the executive must spend it. Check. If he doesn't, a court can order him to spend it. Huh?
How far does this go? Can a court order a particular alien deported or a person to be charged with a crime on the finding that the alien is deportable or that there was probable cause to suspect a person committed a crime, respectively?
If not, how is the first different than the second.
Wisconsin's John Doe law allows a judge to determine that a crime had been committed and if so to issue a criminal complaint. I have no idea if there is any corresponding mechanism in federal law.
But the Executive determines how to spend it, if it has been given that discretion by Congress, which they have here. And that’s the problem here - the Executive determined not to spend the money this way, at least not yet, and the court is saying essentially that the Executive doesn’t have that discretion, at least not yet.
if it has been given that discretion by Congress, which they have here
This is some very impressive question begging.
Congress doesn't appropriate grants
FWIW, I think a court could certainly enter a remedial order after a trial on the Impoundment Control Act.
That doesn't mean it's appropriate as a preliminary injunction or certainly not as a TRO. I think the court's TRO here was just silly -- there's a pretty clear 2x2 matrix of possibilities:
Court ultimately finds payments required + TRO issued: OK
Court ultimately finds payments required + no TRO: Also OK, court orders those payments to be made after trial
Court finds payments not required + no TRO: OK
Court finds payments no required + TRO: Not OK, irreparable damage to the executive.
The judicial branch procedures for TRO's against government let a single low level judge direct the other branches of government in how they conduct themselves. Some of the TROs against the Trump administration were even issued ex parte. This has to be changed.
I would suggest any district court TRO against one of the other two branches of government be automatically stayed for review by an appellate panel for TROs with District jurisdiction and by an enbanc panel for national TROs.
No other branch of government operates in such a dictatorial fashion.
"No other branch of government operates in such a dictatorial fashion."
Well, not unless the democrats are in charge - - - - - - - -
Only a couple of months ago this neck of the blog was filled with comments about how the President was totally out of control and how the courts absolutely had to do something to rein him in, how they had to do more than they were doing, etc. etc. etc.
Man, how things have changed.
If you look at it from a political point of view nothing has changed.
just that the new guy is disliked by more people who have a voice, namely the media.
And that the new guy ACTUALLY is in charge and is not a decaying husk who was managed by unelected others.
Help refresh my memory. I’m having a mental block here. Who elected Musk? What act of Congress established DOGE abd gave it powers over other branches of government?
"What act of Congress established DOGE abd gave it powers over other branches of government?"
DOGE technically is the USDS -- US Digital Services -- which was created BY CONGRESS as part of Nobama Nocare.
Remember how Pelosi said that "we have to pass it to find out what's in it"? -- Well.....
Editor's note: USDS was not in fact created by Congress as part of the Affordable Care Act.
He never said that.
Not from Blackman.
"Gosh, we fired everyone who could possibly administer this disbursement, we've imposed upon ourselves a bunch of new procedures that we have to go through before disbursing the funds, and we avoided actually following the TRO when it was first issued by asserting various legal theories that the court has since rejected, so now we couldn't possibly comply with the judge's last-ditch attempt to force actual compliance with the TRO, because we don't have enough time!"
Any honest lawyer is going to feel like they're going crazy, after four years of this disingenuous approach to the law and credulous defenses thereof by hacks like Josh. You don't avoid a constitutional crisis by linking together a bunch of steps that you think are individually defensible when abstracted from the context. Trump was ordered to disburse the aid, period. He hasn't done so, period. What's the justification? "He didn't have to, because..." no, that line of reasoning doesn't fly.
"Honest lawyer"???
Is that like an "honest man" in Sodom?
He isn't the whim of some pissant District Judge is why
Josh for once has the glimmerings of a point, but I suspect that should Krasnov or one of his apparatchiks disobey a final ruling, he will run to their defence explaining why the judge was wrong and why they were right to go against it.
Steve Vladeck on his Substack provided a cautious interpretation of Roberts' administrative stay. He had a separate one on the Trump Administration's war on lawyers, who are necessary to help clarify what is what. Or we can leave it to Josh Blackman.
https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/bonus-126-chill-all-the-lawyers?lli=1&utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
First they came for Big Law...
Vladeck is this year's Legal Resistance!! king I guess
Where was that guy when any lawyer who dared to represent Trump was facing disbarment attempts and boycotts?
Were they disbarred for representing Trump or were they penalized for unethical conduct they engaged in while representing Trump?
Filing frivolous lawsuits? Submitting sworn declarations that contained knowingly false information? Advising clients to break the law? Being indicted for violating or conspiring to violate criminal laws? I believe the rulings or opinions that disbarred any particular attorney are public record. I recall reading one of them and it was rather meticulously detailed and showed all the various points in time when the lawyer could have retracted, come clean, corrected a false record or whatever and instead... they simply doubled down on the conduct. I don't recall if it was Meadows or Rudy or Sydney Powell... rather interesting reading. I am quite sure if you simply look you can find one.
https://statesunited.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Eastman-Decision.pdf
Rep Andy Ogles on X:
I’m drafting articles of impeachment for U.S. District Judge Amir H. Ali.
https://notthebee.com/article/supreme-court-temporarily-blocks-order-giving-the-trump-administration-a-midnight-deadline-to-release-billions-of-dollars-in-us-foreign-aid
I wish they would stop the theater.
No judge is going to be impeached let alone convicted.
In the whole history of the US only 15 judges have been impeached and only 8 convicted.
I'm curious if you felt the same way about the impeachment of Mayorkas, only the second cabinet secretary impeached ever (with none convicted) and the first impeached over policy disagreements.
Yes, for the same reason as stated above for judges especially as regards conviction.
In the 236 year history of the US Constitution, there have only been four POTUS Impeachments, three of which have been in the past 30 years.
This is so disingenuous. It's not like the judge gave a random order and said you have to comply within 24 hours. The administration had two weeks to comply but took no meaningful steps to do so. That the order "couldn't be followed" at the end was the direct result of the administration's negligence. It could have been followed if the administration had tried to comply before the 11th hour.
And the entire purpose of TROs is to avoid *irreparable* harm. District courts cannot be required to stay TROs pending appeal when the result of such a stay is irreparable harm to the party that has a substantial chance of prevailing on the merits.
Yes, the switch went off pretty easy. The switch must be spring-loaded for the off position, but quite rusty to get into the on position. Something like a coal plant, that can be shut down quickly but takes much longer to get back on line. I'm sure they are trying to get the funds flowing again as quickly as possible.
A delightful image.
Sounds just how the switch for spending taxpayers money ought to be constructed. Maybe Silent Cal installed it like this and FDR broke it.
Let’s hope Elon has a high tech version in mind.
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic and agreeing with me, or if you genuinely believe that "they are trying to get the funds flowing again as quickly as possible." To the extent you are being genuine, the district court made a specific factual finding that the administration had not taken any significant steps toward coming into compliance with the order during the two-week period. So they don't appear to be trying very hard.
Your sarcasmometer needs a new battery
This is, I think, inapposite at best. Whatever the legal merits of these orders, there are very few (the spending one is a possible exception) that would be in any way difficult to follow. I agree, for instance, that it’s hard to see any legal basis to order the reinstatement of a fired Joint Chiefs Chairman, but obviously the administration could comply without any real difficulty. If there’s a basis for not doing it, it’s got to be something more than this.
(At least Prof. Blackman has abandoned the “Trump has no responsibility to have the government follow the orders if he’s not named as a defendant and also none if he is named as a defendant” line he was pushing the other day.)
Well, at least we know now that SCOTUS will still protect Trump.
You think that's what is going on here? Really?
(Tribalism all the way down.)
It looks to me like the Supreme Court is protecting the judiciary.
"protecting the judiciary"
Of course, Roberts knows that he, like the Pope, has no divisions.
I don't understand why it's argued to be impossible to pay $2 billion quickly. Before the government's actions which led to the TRO, this exact same agency was going to make these exact same payments before now. When Trump took over, he was able to stop USAID disbursements in a timeline faster than the judge was asking them to flow.
I agree that if the court makes an order that's impossible to follow, it of course can't be followed, but what if the court makes an order that the government represents is impossible to follow, even though it is possible to follow? Surely the judge has discretion to assess whether or not the government is making a credible good-faith effort to comply with the orders up until that point. The judge, in fact, did make such an assessment.
The same thing would be analogously true in a private setting. If the judge orders me to pay money I already owed and would have paid under ordinary circumstances, the order arose because I chose not to pay it, and now I claim I can't pay it without offering any particular specifics as to why,, the judge would surely ask me to provide information to determine my ability to pay, and if he was dissatisfied with the information I provided or my cooperation, would ultimately make an order. If I failed to comply because I genuinely could not, then at a status report I would show genuine effort of good-faith compliance and the judge would follow up accordingly.
It's fine if you disagree with the substance of the order or think it's bad public policy, but nothing about this actually seems controversial legally or as a matter of process?
I never, ever want the government to be spending $2 billion "quickly". That's exactly what the controversy is about here.
I'm not sure I agree with everything the administration is doing here, but it's also no accident that this judge is attempting to reopen the spigot of money in a way that's not reviewable or appealable. Why the rush? Probably because the judge knows that if the judicial mechanism were anything but a TRO, it almost certainly would deserve a stay pending review. Just like with the special counsel reinstatement, the harm is money not authority, which can be made up for at a later date.
There is no irreparable harm right to receive continuing federal funding. What the judge should have done is order the government to provide a plan to turn the money back on within a reasonably short time frame. Rather than order something that might risk money going to the wrong destination. But of course a reasonable plan would likely be outside the TRO window, which is why it didn't happen.
I mean this doesn't seem at all germane to what I said. This is an argument about why the TRO was a bad idea as a matter of policy. Okay.
The government had planned to spend exactly this money in exactly this way in exactly the time period being discussed until about 3 weeks ago when it decided, as a matter of policy, not to. Like, no one thinks USAID got turned off because the government lacked the ability to pay. It got turned off because the administration decided it didn't want to pay. That's fine, that's an argument, but it's not what we're talking about.
So, again, "the illegitimate very bad no good terrible public policy TRO by a radical left dimocrat who has TDS" or whatever, it tells the government to restore the status quo ex ante. The government has a period of a few weeks to do that. It doesn't take steps towards doing it, because it disagrees with the TRO. That's fine. But clearly we agree that at some point the judge is going to issue an order demanding compliance because the government hasn't complied with the order (and to be clear, I'm not suggesting contempt -- I understand the government's argument in this case that they found the TRO vague and kept wanting clarifications about edge cases)
The judge issues an order demanding compliance. The government, without evidence, says it can't comply. I would think given the fact pattern that the government would have spent this money in this exact time period if not for the elective choice not to, puts the burden on the government to explain why they can't comply. Maybe the argument is that they've degraded the infrastructure so badly in the last few weeks they can't spend. But they don't make that argument. They just say "we can't do that".
I think everyone agrees the next step is that the judge needs to figure out whether or not they can do that. And the judge might be wrong, the judge might just get the facts wrong or might be a biased terrible communist marxist feminist atheist homosexual liberal Obama worshipping evil satanist pedophile or whatever. But, like, institutionally, the next step is that the judge needs to make a determination, like they would in any case, about whether the party's representation is correct. And the judge did.
If a judge orders you to do something you can't do, I would expect the next thing is you do the thing to the best of your ability, and when the judge asks "did you do this thing?", you say "I didn't get it done, but here's the progress I made", and then the judge makes further determinations about compliance. Now, clearly if the judge summarily decides to put Trump in ultra Guantanamo for failing to comply, a good defence to that would be "well, we tried to comply but it was impossible". But it seems like the defence here is "if I don't feel like I can 100% comply with the order, I should not try to at all". That doesn't seem right.
So I guess I don't see what about this order is so facially "unable" to be followed.
Not "unable" but "did not want to" and SCOTUS was like "cool by us".
Note though. It isn’t that the new Administration doesn’t want to spend the money, but rather, it wants to review the expenditure, and maybe spend it another way. That should be in their sole discretion, which this court is arguably interfering with.
I sincerely hope and believe they don’t want to spend the money. And I sincerely hope and believe that the coming reconciliation on the budget will include lotsa recissions of all this stuff.
Hence the urgent need to force Trump to spend it NOW !
I definitely was not making a policy argument. I was making a legal one. At the risk of agreeing with Blackman too strongly, for a judicial order to be valid, it has to be both within the power of the court to grant, and also possible to comply with.
My previous addressed both of those. As well as why a judge so inclined to issue a dubious order might choose to do so in a way not easily contested.
You also have the "without evidence" thing backwards. As I indicated elsewhere here, whether these harms are "irreparable" is often itself asserted without evidence. The government is certainly able to say, in reply, we can't do that. This entire short-circuited process is often proceeding without actual evidence. It already is unprecedented for federal judges to be micromanaging particular disbursement decisions by the executive branch.
This puts me in mind of a Bill Cosby bit (I know, I know) about asymmetrical fights. Blackman wants the courts to fight like General Cornwallis:
“General Cornwallis of the British, this is General Washington of the Continental Army.”
“General Washington of the Continental Army, this is General Cornwallis of the British.”
“If you’d shake hands, gentlemen.”
“O.K., British call the toss.”
“British called heads, it is tails.”
“General Washington, what are you gonna do?”
“General Washington says his troops will dress however they wish, in any color, in buckskins and coonskin caps, and hide behind the rocks and trees and shoot out at random.”
“British, you will all wear bright red, all shoot at the same time, and march forward in a straight line.”
One of my favorites. Seems like it also has a lot of parallels to the institutionalized practice of law, where a regimented BigLaw team gets its clock cleaned by a scrappy tactician.
So now it seems their response will be - We cancelled the contracts so no funds are due. Will this make them individual contract cases? Seems overly broad for a court to say you are not allowed to cancel any contracts
If the money is going to pay for actual goods and services that the USG has already obligated itself for, then there is, of course, a legal obligation to pay them. But my understanding is that this was a grant, which is not a binding obligation on the USG.
Can someone more knowledgeable about law than Josh Blackman explain what the point of issuing a TRO and then staying it would be? The entire point of a TRO is emergency relief. If the circumstances don't warrant such emergency relief, then why would one issue a TRO in the first place? If they do, why would one stay it?
The point is to let some leftist judge make an anti-Trump rant on some issue that will only be decided by a higher court.
Yes, why would one do that?
(The answer is a stay may not actually be deserving. But it had the advantage of being not immediately appealable, so no one can pass judgement on whether it is.)
Presumably the judge thinks the stay is appropriate. So why would s/he then say "Never mind"?
I find it very frustrating that in the comments section here, a lot of arguments seem to boil down to people restating their preferred outcome, irrespective of whether the conversation is even about the outcome. Like, this is a thread where a bunch of people are basically saying they don't like the judge and they don't think the judge should do XYZ. Okay, fine, but that's not at all what you're talking about and it's weird they don't seem to even read what you are talking about.
No. It was an attempt to use a nonstatutory, nonregulatory, way (the stay used is a judge created device, not provided by the FRCP) to force the USG to spend $2 billion dollars in a way that the Trump Administration doesn’t want it to. The key is that it was unappealable (except that CJ Robert’s stepped in and quashed it).
The USG’s position here is that this decision is solely within the Article II power of the President. The plaintiffs (and District Court’s) position was that the status quo ante was that the $2 billion had been allocated (by the previous Administration), so maintaining it required that the money go out. The USG’s position there is that the status quo ante is that the money hasn’t gone out yet, so shouldn’t, until the USG gets its day in court (for a permanent injunction, etc).
Correct me if I am wrong here. Nobody disputes that Congress has allocated $2 billion for these things. They have given discretion to the executive on exactly how to spend the money and Biden said we will spend it on things like transgendered operas.
Trump is not saying that he wants to impound the money. Those arguments are simply wrong. He wants to review what Biden decided to spend it on, change it, and spend it on other things, right?
So the only legal question, if there even is one, is whether Trump can change the election that Biden made regarding where to spend this money. And I think he clearly can.
But what the Court is trying to do is enter a TRO/administrative stay which is unappealable requiring Trump to spend the money Biden's way which means it will (would have if not for CJ Roberts) be spent, be gone, and there would be no remedy ever for Trump to get the money back.
Whatever your feelings on Trump, it simply cannot be that one federal judge has this type of power.
Yes, this is one of the major contested points: whether a TRO is even the appropriate action by the judge here. Speaking of begging the question.
Let's not pretend judges don't do this all the time: issue an order they think appropriate, then immediately stay it pending appeal. What is novel here is that the order is a TRO, which cannot be directly appealed to qualify for a stay.
Like I've said above, the very question of "irreparable" harm is also contested here. Most often the recourse for delayed/denied payments is reimbursement at a later date with interest. The judges here are making receiving the payments a right, which when denied somehow becomes an irreparable harm. Not sure why what the NGO does with that money (not making payroll or rent) particularly qualifies.
Of course, with events moving quickly the chief justice has issued his own administrative stay in one of these cases to pause a TRO. The acting SG has made the argument (not sure if it was also done in the district courts) that the venue for unpaid government money is the Court of Federal Claims. That seems intuitively correct to me.
"Can someone more knowledgeable about law"
Glad you asked. The Armchair Lawyer can always help out our favorite paralegal.
The point of issuing a TRO then staying it (temporarily) is one of humility and realization that a judge's TRO may either
1) Not be physically able to be followed in a short time frame
2) Gives time for an appeal which may be reasonably anticipated.
Some (many, most) TROs don't instantaneously go into effect. They go into effect several hours later. Effectively there is a "stay" of several hours. A reasonable judge may realize that a slightly longer time (2-3 days) until a TRO goes into effect may be necessary in order to allow for potential appeals or for certain elements to be able to be restarted. So, they may issue a TRO, but stay it for 3 days.
On the other hand, a judge who issues a TRO which can reasonably be anticipated to be appealed, but has it go into effect in a very short (or zero) period of time effectively usurps the authority of the judges above him or her, by not allowing time for an emergency appeal.
If it can be stayed long enough for an appeal (which of course can’t be taken from a TRO anyway), why not just deny the appeal and schedule a preliminary injunction hearing instead?
Scheduling a preliminary injunction may of course take longer than 2 or 3 days. Especially if the party that the planned injunction against suddenly realizes their schedule is full up, and they just can't make it very soon.
A TRO + Stay avoids that issue.
This reads like it was written by someone with only passing knowledge of how courts, judges, and actual legal practice operate, and what a TRO means.
Also amusing that the writer talks about avoiding absolutes ("I never") -- which is generally good advice -- and yet, from the get-go he writes: "I've seen NO evidence, AT ALL, that the executive branch is attempting to flagrantly violate ANY federal court order. To the contrary, the Trump Administration has taken EVERY possible step to appeal adverse rulings, and avoid violating orders." [CAPS for emphasis]
He DOTH protest too much, methinks.
Note also the writer's smarmy qualifier.... It's not that the exec branch is not attempting to violate fed court orders. It's that the exec branch is not attempting to FLAGRANTLY violate them.
Perhaps attempting to violate, but not *flagrantly* so. Ok then.
It makes no sense to stay a TRO. The whole point is to issue the injunction to prevent irreperable harm for a very short period of time before they can fully consider the matter. If it's stayed, they might as well not issue it.
That being said, if a TRO functions to command significant government action (such as paying previously withheld money), it feels like less of a TRO and more of an injunction (actually, it should be mandamus in this case, but I feel like courts stopped trying to parse what kind of Writ they are ordering). A TRO to stop the federal government from continuing to withhold funds while the case is pending makes sense, though.
It doesn't make sense if the entire controversy is whether these things can be suspended/terminated.
Employees wrongly fired can be awarded backpay if the termination was illegal. We've gone down the rabbit hole here, by assuming not receiving payments is irreparable harm, when money can certainly be paid at a later date. Or are we going to make them give it back if the administration wins?
(Yes, I realize likelihood to win on the merits is a component, but that is not actually all that assured. It may depend on a case by case analysis, something which the people suing are ignoring, because they object to the entire concept.)
“ We've gone down the rabbit hole here, by assuming not receiving payments is irreparable harm, when money can certainly be paid at a later date. Or are we going to make them give it back if the administration wins?”
Of course not. For most of the USAID money, when the money is gone, it’s gone. There’s the problem that a grant is a grant. And the USG’s position can’t argue that the money wasn’t allocated through a grant. The other is that a lot of the USAID grant recipients are, essentially, shell companies, very often chartered outside the US.
Why would USAID money be gone when it's gone? Just because many of these things are grants?
As for particular facts, it looks like the administration is freezing almost everything. So it's not one group is losing out to another. If grants are discretionary, they can be cancelled. The details matter, which I have not heard anyone argue coherently.
It remains unarguable that government money wrongly denied can be paid at a later date, if the government was at fault. That's why it makes more sense to allow the payments to be halted, because if the government were to win, it will be difficult to claw back money it had a right to withhold.
No I think you had it right first time.
Only a lawyer can wrestle a command to do something into a member of the class of commands to refrain from doing something.
Why is a failure to pay under a contract "irreparable harm"? If someone sells pencils to the federal government and it is not paid, the remedy is a breach of contract lawsuit. Pencil Co. is not getting a TRO requiring immediate payment without deciding the merits.
If someone is receiving AIDS treatment, the failure to receive it is not remediable by a breach of contract lawsuit.
Is the patient a party to the contract?
What I'm struggling with, though, is why it is necessary to continue spending at the pre-Trump level in order to avoid irreparable harm. The TRO was entered on 2/13. Judge Ali apparently believes that avoidance of irreparable harm requires the government to dole out almost $2 billion in foreign aid between then and 2/27. So basically a billion per week. Surely only a tiny fraction of that amount goes to such vital services as AIDS medicine.
I don't think Judge Ali took "irreparable harm" seriously. Instead of finding that the entire weekly billion in foreign aid is as vital as AIDS medicine, he presumes as much, and requires the government to justify the reduction or elimination of any particular item based on "wholly independent legal authority and justification," on penalty of contempt sanctions. I guess "wholly independent" means that if any future reduction/suspension is related to any justification previously given by the government, contempt. In other words, the government likely won't be able to make a single cut.
This isn't how a TRO is supposed to work. If real aid recipients showed they could likely succeed in establishing a vital need, and the TRO was limited to those aid recipients, this would make sense. This TRO requires precise adherence to Biden-era spending decisions. That's not law; it's policy.
Real TROs are appealable, esp in cases like this where the court’s determination of the status quo ante requires spending $2 billion in taxpayer monies.
I don't think so. My understanding is TROs are not appealable. It would require a writ of mandamus to have one reversed or nullified. All the more reason district judges should be cautious in defining their scope.
The 11th Circuit considered an appeal from denial of a TRO in the sad case of Terri Schiavo, writing
(quoting Ingram v. Ault, 50 F.3d 898, 900 (11th Cir.1995))
Because these businesses are reliant on the funds that are contractually owed to them. If they ultimately prevail on the merits down the line and get the money they were owed, they will still be irreparably harmed by being forced to go out of business as a result of the wrongfully withheld payments. That is what the plaintiffs are alleging and why the court found irreparable harm.
All businesses are "reliant on the funds that are contractually owed to them." So every alleged breach of contract payment is now "irreparable harm"?
It is if the deprivation of funds that they are legally entitled to would put them out of business, which is obviously not the case with every single breach of contract. But these particular plaintiffs showed that their business would suffer irreparable harm unless granted preliminary relief. The finding of irreparable harm is determined on a case-by-case basis, and these plaintiffs made the necessary showing. Why is that so hard to believe?
Because the TRO didn't apply to just them but to everyone regardless of financial status?
Whatever they proved as to irreparable harm, was not done in a fully adversarial hearing. Absent that, they proved nothing. Just asserted it.
That is not generally a basis for a TRO.
The bigger issue on the TRO here is that it gives the plaintiffs 100% of the relief they seek on a non-appealable basis. You cannot forestall trial in this manner. Presumably, the plaintiffs are not putting up a $2 billion bond.
I have a question: Was USAID really paying invoices on a one-week turnaround? Given the timetable here (original TRO entered 2/22 requiring payments for work completed by 2/13), that has to be the contention. No one in the private world pays bills that fast.
Agreed. This theory is unheard of. If I am a contractor who remodels someone's kitchen for $50k and I don't get paid, I can sue them for breach of contract.
This theory seems to say that as long as my contractor business is sufficiently suffering such that I need the money now, I can go get an unappealable and potentially ex parte TRO which orders the homeowners to pay NOW.
Things just don't work that way. The law recognizes that breach of contract damages are money only and the organization's downstream consequences from not receiving a timely payment are not something contemplated in the contract? Sort of Hadley v. Baxendale from law school?
Generally, you are correct. From Wisconsin Gas Co. v. FERC, 758 F. 2d 669 (D.C. Circ. 1985):
Generally, but not universally, as
Which is what the plaintiffs alleged and, according to the order that issued
Someone above claimed that the government asserting that it could not resume payments quickly lacked any evidence.
I would say so does any recipient group claiming harms from not receiving payments. A temporary interruption of aid to the needy/indigent is not necessarily the same thing as a "threat to a movant's business".
Nobody important stopped to question the business shutdown orders during the pandemic. Plenty of irreparable harms happened which were mostly ignored by government. Not every offense has an immediate judicial remedy. It was only later that compensation programs like the PPP loans were created. The remedy for denied money is more money later. It does not and should not matter whether charitable causes are interrupted. Sorry, not an irreparable harm.
"Recoverable monetary loss may constitute irreparable harm only where the loss threatens the very existence of the movant's business."
A review of the case shows that you are overreading this.
This is not talking about a business that through no fault of the other party is in financial dire straits. Rather, it applies to regulations and laws which by their very nature, although theoretically repayable in money in the future, would cause an entire business model to fail.
Think of a law banning a product entirely. Although you could theoretically repay the company selling the product, the law itself puts the company out of business. That's what this line is talking about and it is rather clear from the case. Your cite is taken out of context.
It is simply not true that because I am down to my last dime that I can turn an ordinary breach of contract claim into irreparable harm. By contracting with me you didn't agree to be an insurer of my business.
In no other circumstances is that ever the measure of damages. If I owe you $100 and I don't pay, you can sue me for breach of contract and if you win you get $100 plus interest, Period.
Even if you were destitute and down to your last dime, no court will order me to pay immediately without a full hearing because of your "irreparable harm" and needing the money immediately. Your financial situation is not my problem. The law simply doesn't work that way.
Or, IOW, what Bob said.