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Federal Prosecutors Routinely Use Carrots and Sticks to "Induce" Defendants to "Support [DOJ] Policy Objectives"
Another problematic point raised in a resignation letter.
The Adams Affair continues. Yesterday, I wrote about Hagan Scotten's resignation letter. Here, I want to focus on another sentence Scotten wrote that does not quite make the point he intended:
No system of ordered liberty can allow the Government to use the carrot of dismissing charges, or the stick of threatening to bring them again, to induce an elected official to support its policy objectives.
The phrase "ordered liberty" was most famously used by Justice Cardozo in Palko v. Connecticut (1937). Provisions of the Bill of Rights were incorporated if they were "implicit in the concept of ordered liberty." Not exactly some sort of clear, or formalist test. More like an "I know it when I see it approach" to liberty.
What comes after is far more important. Scotten would have you believe that the federal government never uses the "carrot of dismissing charges, or the stick of threatening to bring them again, to induce [a defendant] to support its policy objectives." Notice how I changed "elected official" to "defendant." If you make that subtle change, you realize how problematic that statement is.
The Department of Justice routinely uses carrots and sticks to make defendants support DOJ policy objectives. More than 90% of federal criminal cases end up in plea bargains. Federal prosecutors may as well be transactional lawyers. Usually, the deals take a similar form: plead guilty, waive appeal rights, and the government will recommend a reduced sentence, or perhaps no sentence at all. And the parameters of plea bargains are approved at high levels of leadership. For example, the Obama and Biden Administration offered far more lenient plea deals for drug offenses, while the Trump Administration offered more severe plea deals for drug offenses. Those are DOJ policies, based on some assessment of the harmfulness of the offenses.
In many cases, a plea deal is conditioned on a defendant doing more than pleading guilty. The United States can condition a plea deal on a defendant testifying against a co-defendant. DOJ can condition a plea deal on a defendant providing information to some government entity, in open court, before a grand jury, or in some other confidential form. The federal government can often grant individuals immunity if they go "undercover" as a confidential informant to obtain information about other crimes. Such covert work can place the defendant at risk of death, but the government deems that sacrifice justified in exchange for dropping the prosecution. Moreover, if a defendant refuses to cooperate, the government routinely threatens to bring additional charges, and seek more jail time. In all of these cases, the government uses the carrot of dismissal or the stick of further indictment to promote the ends that the prosecutor's office deems appropriate. When a U.S. Attorney approves a deal in exchange for cooperation, the government is using a carrot to promote its policy objectives.
Now, back to the brackets. I swapped "elected official" for "defendant." Should it matter if the cooperation is provided by an elected official or a private citizen? Does Scotten really think it is the case that DOJ has never "induce[d] an elected official to support its policy objectives"?
Consider the case of United States v. Richmond from the nearby Eastern District of New York. 550 F. Supp. 605 (E.D.N.Y. 1982). In that case, the plea agreement required the defendant to resign from Congress and not run for re-election. Would you call that using a "carrot" to "induce an elected official to support [the government's] policy objectives"? I sure should. You can couch the plea deal in some sort of sense of the public good, but at bottom, the government used its coercive power over prosecution to nudge the defendant to relinquish his ability to hold current and future public office. Were the prosecutors who proposed that deal "foolish"? No, they were doing what prosecutors do all the time. Were these prosecutors scrambling our system of "ordered liberty"? Of course not. Brooklyn is a wild place, but not that wild.
Prosecutors often have something of a god complex, in which they think they always have the higher moral authority, and can use the power of prosecution to accomplish those goals. This risk is particularly acute in so-called public integrity cases. The line between a politician engaging in fraud and a politician servicing constituents is often in the eye of the beholder. Look at the number of public integrity cases that the Supreme Court unanimously vacated.
Was the plea deal valid in Richmond? No. Chief Judge Jack Weinstein (yes, that Jack Weinstein) ruled that the "plea agreement pertaining to resignation from Congress and withdrawal as a candidate for re-election are void." Weinstein added, "[j]ust as Congress and the states are prohibited from interfering with the choice of the people for congressional office, federal prosecutors may not, directly or indirectly, subvert the people's choice or deny them the opportunity to vote for any candidate." Weinstein was right. But that lesson was not learned. To this day, DOJ guidelines state that disqualification is a "appropriate" policy goal:
[r]esignation from office, withdrawal from candidacy for elective office, and forbearance from seeking or holding future public offices, remain appropriate and desirable objectives in plea negotiations with public officials who are charged with federal offenses that focus on abuse of the office(s) involved.
It's right there in black-and-white! Is this provision inconsistent with ordered liberty?
Indeed, people urged the prosecutors to condition a plea deal for Trump on not running for re-election. Seth Barrett Tillman wrote about such proposed plea bargains here.
For its part, the Justice Department has previously described Richmond as "incorrectly decided" and "particularly troublesome" in that it "purports to limit, without adequate legal justification, the latitude of federal prosecutors to reach voluntary settlements with defendants in significant corruption cases which equitably address and protect the important public interests that such prosecutions normally entail." But the Justice Department's current guidance is somewhat more equivocal, in that it cites Powell and Richmond for the assertion that "withdrawal or forbearance with respect to Congressional or federal judicial office may not be imposed involuntarily against the will of the [defendant] judge or Member of Congress involved because of the separation of powers doctrine" without further explanation. (Given that the context of the Justice Department's discussion is a plea bargain, the current guidance's use of "involuntary" is more than somewhat difficult to fathom.) More importantly, what exactly this language might mean for a potential Section 2071 plea agreement with Trump is not pellucidly clear, but it suggests that even the Justice Department would acknowledge that the logic of Richmond might pose some complications.
But there were only crickets in response to these proposals--proving again that much of the outrage about Trump is performative.
Bove's policy is the mirror image of what the government tried to do in Richmond. Bove is deferring the prosecution precisely to allow the people to choose to vote for Adams. And while Adams remains in office, his deferred prosecution is contingent on providing material support to the government. If support is not provided, then the deferred prosecution is off the table. This is the sort of thing DOJ does all the time. There is not, as Danielle Sassoon implied, a "quid pro quo." In 2020, Tillman and I explained that there is no bribery if a public act is exchanged for another public act: the federal government is deferring a prosecution and a government official is providing cooperation with the federal government. Without question, Bove and Adams have mixed motives, but public officials always act with dueling motivations. That dynamic is not enough to transform a government arrangement into a bribe.
Indeed, the fact that Sassoon even alleged there was a "quid pro quo" is yet more evidence of a federal prosecutor trying to criminalize politics. When you only have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. When you are a federal prosecutor, every questionable act by a government official can be transformed to an indictable offense. The lawfare must end somewhere.
The outrage to Bove's letter, I think, stems from the fact that the recommendation came not from the Sovereign District, but from Main Justice. Moreover, the outrage is due to the fact that the defendant is not some foot soldier who is being asked to snitch on the kingpin. Rather, the defendant is the apex elected official in New York City, who is being asked to assist the federal government. Adams can provide orders far more assistance than the typical defendant could, which may justify the sort of unusual deferred prosecution that was offered. I see a difference only in degree, not in kind. Adams's making this deal is public for all to see, and the voters of New York can (and will) judge him accordingly.
Trump makes his deals explicit and publicly known. He truly saw nothing wrong with his "perfect" Ukraine phone call. He was happy to release the transcript. Virtually all other government officials make these sorts of deal, but are far more opaque. I, for one, prefer transparency. The Department of Justice has determined that prosecutions under the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, as well as for public integrity offense, may cause more costs than benefits. And everyone is on notice of those policies as well.
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This is probably the steelman justification of the administration’s actions.
That being so, it kind of demonstrates just how indefensible they are.
I hope his Marriott Bonvoy points are fucking worth it.
If Mr. Blackman can justify this to hiself, there is no abuse of power he can’t justify.
Mr. Trump is not getting Mr. Adams to do something for him. Mr. Trump is getting the City of New York to do something for him. Nobody in New York elected Mr. Trump to or gave him any decision-making power over the City of New York.
What stops Governor Hochul from removing Mayor Adams as mayor of NYC? Then the 'deal' is aborted.
No governor has ever exercised the power given by the New York Constitution to remove a Mayor of New York City. The closest was in 1932, when pressure on Jimmy Walker to resign saved FDR having to use that power.
Of course, what Trump's DOJ is doing is unprecedented also. These are, unfortunately, "interesting" times.
But she has the power. So use it.
DeSantis certainly would.
"But she has the power."
What are the politics of a white woman removing a black man? Or the effect on the upcoming election?
She's also seen the polls about immigration enforcement, she may be happy seeing Adams cooperate with ICE.
Governor Hochul is currently being sued by Justice.
Removing Adams would make that messy...
How?
It would be messy for all our hillbillies like Ed here. Having the mayor of New York City as your personal hostage was an unexpected bonus
She is not, and it would not. (She's named in a lawsuit in her official capacity, which simply means that DOJ is trying to get a court to rule that a New York law is unenforceable. She faces no personal risk from the suit.)
This misses the point spectacularly. You can't just substitute out "elected official." The underlying offense is only criminal because he's an elected official. He's only able to give Trump what he wants because he's an elected official. The Trump DOJ wants to control the powers of the office of the mayor, not the personal actions of a generic defendant. I agree prosecutors have something of a God-complex. But not until now have I heard of a prosecutor who figured out how to dangle the NYC Mayor on puppet strings.
And I'm dying to hear about why it's okay for Bove to investigate people for resigning. Is it the position of the DOJ that you must continue to serve involuntarily and do exactly as Bove demands? If you resign because of pesky things like professional ethics, then we're going to investigate you with the criminal powers of the government. Boy, I can't wait to see what kind of lawyers they're going to get to go work at DOJ going forward. "Come interview with DOJ! We'll probably revoke the job offer, but if we don't, you lose your 13th Amendment rights."
The underlying offense is only criminal because he's an elected official.
Really ? It's an offense - you say - if Adams is an elected official asked to do an official act to assist the feds, but it wouldn't be if he was an unelected official ? Or a senior executive at a corporation ?
I may take my own legal advice before I start offering any inducements of that nature. No offense intended.
What’s your limiting promcitple here?
As is, you are justifying wrongdoers become slaves to the DoJ lest their charges be brought back.
Or at the very least the Constitutional prohibition on commandeering is now a nullity for any compromised politicians.
Why not try answering the question I asked ?
Because they sure look rhetorical.
They're not. Have a go.
You are not allowed to commandeer state official to do federal work.
You are also not allowed to go beyond the confidential informant level for private individuals. Because of the 13th Amendment.
This is where you end up defending this - federal commandeering, and a bit of enforced labor.
Look at the shambles of Blackman's argument below. Your argument is a combo of strawmen and not caring with no limiting principle. It's bad!
1: It's not "commandeering" if the state official WANTS to help the Feds.
2: Adams was only prosecuted because he wanted to help the Feds.
He was prosecuted, you’ll recall, by “the Feds”. Why would the prosecute him for trying to help them?
Actually, this situation is basically extortion
Adams was prosecuted because he met Turkish financiers in public and said "if you give me a giant cartoon bag full of money I will give you a cool Turkish embassy hotel. Throw in some plane tickets while you're at it. I have the spirit of a warrior. I am a reincarnated Heron. This is a bribe. I love taking bribes." and then when the feds charged him he immediately called the person named "Guy Who Gave Me A Bribe" in his phone and said "Hey can you delete evidence of the bribe you gave me? I think the feds are listening to this".
Probably the most slam dunk bribery case since Duke Cunningham got caught with a literal freezer full of bribe money.
Conspiring with foreign powers is now 3D chess, not crimes anymore. God help poor Ukraine
You're conflating Duke Cunningham — also an easy corruption case — with William Jefferson, who kept his bribe money in his freezer.
The state’s defense against commandeering is to go to court and get a ruling requiring the Feds to drop the command.
New York is welcome to test your novel legal theory. Who knows they might even win at first instance.
And it’s certainly the season for running novel legal theories by friendly NY District Court judges.
Your question was stupid, because you mistook what TBB was saying about Adams' offense (i.e., the bribes involving Turkey) - something that's an offense only because Adams was in a position to offer official acts in exchange - for some putative "offense" inherent in Adams offering a quid pro quo to Bove.
Is it a crime for one official (i.e., Adams) to offer and provide official acts (i.e., changes in the way that NYC cooperates with ICE) in order to receive a benefit from the DOJ (i.e., the dismissal without prejudice of the bribery charges)? On that, I won't venture a claim. But I think it stands to reason that Josh would assert that it's not a crime. I suspect we won't know for another four years. But that's not what TBB was talking about.
Thank you.
I take it you’re not buying the “elected” bit either, when it comes to officials?
So if I understand you correctly if Adams was a senior executive in the Trump organisation, and had accepted cash from Turkey to encourage a minion over whom he had significant influence to write a revenue projection strongly recommending The Donald to build a new hotel somewhere in Turkey, that would not be an offense ?
Acceptance of such cash inducements is only an offense if received by those working in the government sector ?
It wouldn't be the same crime, no.
Could it be some other crime? That onus is on you.
"slaves to the DoJ "
Hyperbole alert!
I'm pointing out the lack of a limiting principle.
Do you have one?
It’s interesting that while you have a limit - your shocked face is shocked only in the case of an “elected official” - you are unwilling to offer a principle to support your limit.
It's not my thesis, so I don't need a limit.
Quit burden shifting and man up to your argument.
I have “defendant”.
You have a limited class of defendants - elected officials who are defendants.
You need a limiting principle to justify your limit. Why would I need a limiting principle for your limit ?
Quit burden shifting and man up to your argument.
My thesis is that you are wrong. You're trying to pretend I have a thesis beyond that so you can deflect from having to defend where you've ended up.
But I would note that as people who practice note, the status quo is limited to the criminal scheme at issue, and not going beyond it to whatever might be helpful to the DoJ.
These limiting principles align with issues with commandeering and the 13th Amendment.
Meanwhile you still don't have any limit once someone is identified as a wrongdoer.
That person has no rights they cannot be coerced to waive by threatening an incipient prosecution.
You need a limit.
Whatever you're dribbling on about it has squat to do with the point I was discussing with TBB which was his "thesis" that :
You can't just substitute out "elected official."
It is solely about whether there are different principles when it comes to thumbscrewing elected officials, as opposed to other people. It has nothing to do with what the thumbscrewing is intended to achieve, or how big the thumbscrew is. It's about the "limit" set by TBB that elected officials are special. Which limit I do not accept.
If you have nothing to contribute on the question being discussed, why participate ? In particular, why participate by indignantly demanding that other people address your distractions ?
It's interesting that neither side of this particular fight agree with your position that it is okay to "thumbscrew" elected officials this way. Obviously the DAs in New York resigned rather than be a party to it, and two of them wrote letters specifically objecting to that very aspect of the order. As for Bove, he found it necessary in his first letter to explicitly deny that there was any quid pro quo to his order.
"It's an offense - you say - if Adams is an elected official asked to do an official act to assist the feds"
That is zero percent what the OP said. I think you don't understand what an underlying offense is.
TBB did mention the underlying offense but I was referring to the carrot placed in front of the official. I confess I skated too quickly over the underlying offense point - because it’s perfectly irrelevant.
Josh’s point was that it’s perfectly OK to swap out “elected official” for “defendant” in Scotten’s letter, because we are addressing the probity of the inducing.
The underlying offense is a distraction. Does everyone here who affects to be horrified think it (ie the inducement) would be totes ok if Adams underlying offense had been fiddling his income tax ?
OK, Michelle Bachmann wasn't offered a deal to drop out of politics in 2013 to have charges dropped against her?!?
https://www.startribune.com/michele-bachmann-under-congressional-ethics-investigation/199967951
She was a serious contender for the nomination Romney essentially bought, and she suddenly decides to not run for election to her seat in congress -- and Obama's DOJ wasn't involved?!?
RIGHT....
Correct. We know that, if for no other reason than that no charges had been brought against her, so no charges could have been dropped against her.
She was… not a serious contender for the nomination. She made it all the way to… the first contest, the Iowa caucuses, where she got 0 delegates and <5% of the vote and immediately dropped out.
She confused the Concords (MA & NH) which means she made it a bit further than that, and clearly you didn't read the attached article.
The Iowa caucuses were held on January, 3, 2012. Michelle Bachman suspended her campaign the following day.
https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/bachmann-drops-out-of-presidential-race
What part of the attached article (describing a congrsssional ethic investigation launched in 2013) do you think lends support to your theory?
1) It does not mean that. Do you think that the presidential primaries work in sequence, so that one doesn't start campaigning in state B until the previous contest in state A is held? The event you describe happened almost a year before the primaries, in March 2011.
https://www.politico.com/story/2011/03/for-bachmann-not-quite-the-facts-051179
2) I did in fact read the attached article, which describes no charges against her, but rather describes a Congressional ethics investigation that began a year after her challenge to Obama ended and which Obama could not have been involved with as he was not serving in the House of Representatives.
"The underlying offense is only criminal because he's an elected official. He's only able to give Trump what he wants because he's an elected official."
Unlike the guidance from the manual that Blackman quoted about compelling elected officials to resign, withdraw from an election, and so forth?
Would the uproar* be less if Adams’ cooperation was explicitly referenced rather than Bove’s attempt to make it appear as if the prosecution was political in nature/less than solid?
* or, since we’re dealing with Trump, is uproar at what he does just a given, no matter what he does or says?
No, because it was explicitly referenced! Repeatedly!
You posted this after David Post’s lucid and compelling post to the contrary?
I suspect Blackman gets paid by Leonard Leo (or FedSoc-adjacent dark money entities) for his posts. He loves his Marriott and airline points.
I don’t think he’s getting paid off. I think he’s actually just such a narcissistic idiot (original sense) that he loves to post dumb stuff in favor of the side he supports. I also think he has a huge streak of resentment toward more successful legal academics.
Nah, he's angling for an appointment to the federal bench.
Maybe he could warm up the Backwater, Florida seat when Cannon gets launched into the Supreme Court?
I'm confused, has Blackman actually practiced law? Or is he one of them 'Those who can...do. Those who can't..." kinda people?
If Menendez wasn't already convicted, I suppose it would be fine to forebear prosecution as long as his senate votes are agreeable to Mike Johnson.
I'm sure Menendez is already heavily at work trying to insinuate himself into our new, alt Trump justice system. All he's gotta do, like Adams recently crowed, is to claim he's in the middle of a campaign. All investigations/prosecutions of campaigning politicians is lawfare
Just for the record, while Menendez held the decisive vote in the Senate (2021-2023) - ie it was 50-50 and one Dem defector would have been enough to tip a win into a loss, Menendez remained unindicted.
He was only indicted in 2023, by which time the Senate was 51-49, and his vote was not decisive.
Pure coincidence obviously, but I don't think you're pitching a great hypo here.
Stop bucking the hypo with pedantry.
Are you OK with the scenario Absaroka lays out - dictating a Senator's votes lest they be prosecuted?
What is your limiting principle?
That is dealt with elsewhere - in the David Post thing. (Votes agreeable to Mike Johnson are not a legitimate law enforcement objective. They are purely political objectives. Access to Ryker's Island is a legitimate law enforcement objective.)
I'm simply pointing out that Absaroka's chosen hypo is unfortunate as it reminds us of Menendez somehow managing to avoid indictment during the period when his vote was important. Under the previous admiistration. A different hypo would not have generated the same smile.
A properly motivated AG can no doubt find any number of senators to threaten with indictment.
Which one of these is different from the others:
1) A reduced sentence for the person
2) The person testifying against another person
3) The person going undercover
4) The person not running for reelection
5) New York City letting ICE officials into Rikers Island
You would think Josh might figure it out.
6: Not running for reelection
Is that distinct from #4 by applying to non-persons?
To answer Josh R's question, #1 is the odd one out.
I guess we'll be hearing from Josh about the evils of congestion pricing soon, since Trump has idiotically called for its end and said he intends to kill it
As the Holland Tunnel is I-78 with other bridges/tunnels being I-278 & I-495, I suspect that congestion pricing is not long for this world.
So what? States apply tolls to federal highways all the time
Tolls are generally allowed only on roads built with state money that are brought into the federal interstate highway system. The Secretary of Transportation can make exceptions.
This is exactly the sort of legal analysis I would expect from a professor at a Top 200 law school.
It is time to eject this lawless person from the VC.
Censorship? Really?
Josh can post elsewhere. He can start a substack if he wants. At this point his bad-faith, low-quality arguments damage the blog’s brand (among the other things they damage).
That is my point. Thanks.
You're already censoring him by your standard, so you have no room to talk. Heck, you're censoring me by not hosting a platform for my blogging. You're just a big ol' censor.
Removing people from their positions because of the things they have said or done is censorship? I cannot believe you are giving me this gift of hypocrisy, XY. You hear that rustling sound? That's me pocketing this for use over the next year.
Oh, wow. Hobie stuffs another noxious nothing burger in his back pocket, ready to douche bag out for another year. This he declares as an event.
Same old same-old.
Several years ago we had a sheriff who, partly as a consequence of his past misconduct, was in a position where he had to do favors for the Mexican drug cartels.
There wasn't much Texas or Hidalgo County could do about the cartels, and there isn't much New York or New York City can do about the nasties now running the DoJ. However, we could and did do something about the sheriff.
New York has a mayor who, through his own misconduct, has put himself in a situation where he is being extorted. They need to remove him, and have the successor reverse the decisions made under pressure.
Maybe one of the real lawyers here could tell us if NY could prosecute Adams for using his authority in return for a personal benefit. Not that I want to pile on the guy, but the quick reversal of his decision and the threat of state prosecution might lessen the incentives both for future coercions of this type, and for future mayors to give in to it.
That’s a very good point. There are prohibitions on using your office for personal benefit. What could be more ‘beneficial’ than one’s freedom?
When the office is used to assist in the enforcement of Federal law?!? I don't think SCOTUS would uphold that...
That’s because you’re an idiot.
Nullification went out 60 years ago...
But New York is not nullifying Federal law. It is merely electing not to let its own officials help enforce it. Which is its right under Prince.
A UM student did die.
https://www.masslive.com/news/2014/10/umass_chancellor_kumble_subbas_2.html
"Were the prosecutors who proposed that deal "foolish"? No, they were doing what prosecutors do all the time."
Talk about a false dichotomy!
For some reason I'm reminded of the case where a woman was required to recant her allegations of excessive force as a condition of bail. Nothing like a federal prosecutor and judge conspiring to engage in witness tampering in open court!
Meanwhile, Trump is trying hard to cut off medical research in the US.
Did you people have any idea what you were voting for?
Seeing as over half it isn't duplicable, and a lot of it is outright fraud, this is a problem?
Big Pharma can conduct the legitimate research -- without the 65% overhead...
Most of the research is wasted.
Fuck off Josh.
You are a partisan fuckwit defending blatant quid-pro-quo corruption. It's past-time for you to be canceled.
Cancel culture isn't a real thing, stupid.
You mean, like, all these prosecutors getting canned? The dwarfs working air traffic control?
Why is this tool talking about plea bargains, when the Adams situation doesn't involve a plea bargain?
Because when we wish to explain a general point we often use a particular to illustrate it. Plea bargains are one of several inducements that law enforcement can use to encourage co-operation. Not excluding coffee.
Welcome to this third planet, stranger.
Garland and Jack Smith were going to drop charges against Trump, if he agreed not to run for President.
1. Why do you believe that?
2. Do you think that was a good thing to do?
It was obvious. They only charged him when he announced that he was running for President.
Nonsense. Trump announced he was running for the Republican nomination in November 2022, almost two full years before the 2024 election. (This was highly unusual--most presidential candidates have announced during the year before the election.) At the time, he was already under investigation for numerous federal felonies, and he was first charged seven months later, in June 2023. His announcement timing was no doubt motivated by his plan to raise "election interference" in support of his victimhood, which he did, repeatedly, throughout his ensuing campaign.
What you have absolutely no evidence of, of course, is that "Garland and Jack Smith were going to drop charges against Trump, if he agreed not to run for President." Was there an offer? Did the DoJ offer to meet with Trump's attorneys to hash out a deal? As usual, all you've got is your feelz.
What's the bargain/agreement made in the Adams case? If there is one, it must be secret.
But Adams has since said that he never broke the law, and never would. And that his only obligation is to his constituents.
The implication being that he gave up no consideration in exchange for the dismissal without prejudice.
The deal, if there is one, can all be unsaid though, because the dismissal is without prejudice. He's owned, deal or not.
This…is fucking crazy. If this is the standard, then there is essentially no independence of any elected official in any branch or any level of government. The DOJ, at the president’s behest, could either bring or threaten to bring charges and then extort the official with the “carrot” of dropping/not bringing the charges. Members of Congress and state legislators would be told how to vote. Judges would be told how to rule. Executive officials, particularly state officials, would be threatened if they didn’t fall in line and basically be the president’s puppet. (Federal executive officials could legitimately be fired for not obeying orders, but why do that when you can just threaten them with prosecution?)
Some would tell the DOJ to fuck off, especially if the charges are truly trumped up (pun intended), but then they’d have to deal with the heavy burden of a federal prosecution for years, which would not only hurt them personally and politically, but—as Trump v. United States taught us—make it extremely difficult to do their official duties. So there would be a lot of pressure to play ball.
No, none of this is okay. If Trump truly thinks these were bullshit charges, then he can either dismiss with prejudice or issue a pardon. That he isn’t doing that, but rather effecting a coup of the NYC mayor’s office so that it can be an arm of the White House, shows his true intentions. New York needs to do something about this through official proceedings ASAP, and failing that, the people of NYC need to vote Adams out.
So the Trump Administration isn't opposed to the "weaponization" of the DoJ after all...
Thank you for a perfect outline of the problem.
Well said.
I wonder if Josh (or his students?) read the comments section. I would like to be charitable. There are so many problems. One not yet addressed above…
A plea in a case involving corruption of public office, in which the person agrees to not retain such a office, is directly analogous to a firearms offender foregoing firearms or driving offender forfeiting a license. The person typically pleads guilty and advances penological objectives by dispenses with the instrumentality of the offence. It’s a bit different than prosecutors saying they’ll temporarily withdraw charges if the accused shoots people they want or acts as their unpaid driver. There are indeed places where that happens all the time. You can imagine where they appear on rule of law indices…
Josh has said that he does not read comments.
He is, however, very obviously lying.
...and you know this because?
Neglected to add "does it matter"?
1. Common sense: Prof. Blackman is an incredible narcissist, and most of his posts are blatant trolling. The suggestion that he could resist the temptation to look at how people are reacting and what they’re saying about him is impossible to take seriously.
2. He changes his posts with some regularity in response to the comments (without, of course, noting the changes).
...and "does it matter"?
Would he be better if he remained a one note like Ilya?
It would indeed be better if he stuck to one thing that he knew something about — if he could actually find such a thing — instead of saying lots of stupid shit about lots of things he knows nothing about.
Do you have examples of this?
The more interesting question isn't, "Does Josh read the comments?" because obviously he does, but, "Which asshat is Josh's sockpuppet?"
Question for you, Tyler.
Josh regularly posts articles on subjects of great interest to him in a public forum which allows readers to comment.
How many people who do this refrain from reading the comments? It would be impossible for me. How many are totally uninterested in the reaction?
Leaving aside the unpleasantness of being call an idiot, surely one might gain something - a worthwhile counterargument, some facts one was unaware of, a supporting argument one hadn't considered, etc.
One would have to be both:
1. Totally uninterested in the reaction, and
2. Arrogant enough to think you knew everything worth knowing about the topic, and had no reason to think you might learn something.
I'm not convinced such a person exists.
The DOJ denies that dropping the charges was intended to influence Adam's official acts.
But if it can be established that they were, or if a hypothetical plea bargain were intended to influence a public official's official acts, that could fall under bribery statutes.
IIUC bribery of state officials violates federal law, so it can't be within the scope of federal official's duties. New York could end up prosecuting it.
"In 2020, Tillman and I explained that there is no bribery if a public act is exchanged for another public act: the federal government is deferring a prosecution and a government official is providing cooperation with the federal government."
I don't think that's necessarily true, if a DOJ official, say, offered a Mayor's spouse a job in exchange for the Mayor allowing ICE to access a jail, that would fall under the statute.
What if the Court refuses the request? What happens then?
Can a judge compel the DOJ to try a case?
Two options
The judge says NFW, this stinks to high heaven
NY State presses charges against Adams, or Hochul removes him
Practically, probably not. The judge could compel the government to appear in court and explain why they wanted the case dropped.
I don't think anyone would expect the Bove and Bondi DoJ to do anything other than double down, however, so such a hearing would likely achieve nothing and tell us nothing we don't already know about the character of the type of person who is attracted to serving in the Trump Administration.
Suppose that appearance happens, and the judge says, 'NFW. I do not accept the govts representation. This is a quid pro quo'
What happens when a judge says, No dismissal.
Can anyone tell me?
Depends on how spicy the judge wants to get. The judge may use pretzel logic to appoint a special prosecutor.
If this case did not involve the Trump administration, I'd say that the 2nd Circuit would then grant mandamus to dismiss the case.
BTW, this is why the DCCA decided Fokker Services the way that it did. Whatever Congress intended with the stipulation of dismissing cases by leave of court, any denial of dismissal is a violation of the separation of powers.
If New York really feels that strongly about it, Bragg or James could prosecute him. But we know they never will, as they wouldn't dare prosecute a fellow black.
Come on, write it! You know you want to.
Post has it right--this is no plea bargain.
Because the dismissal DOJ seeks is w/o prejudice, this has some similarity to what in my state is called a nolle prosiqui. A prosecutor can move to hold off on prosecution for 13 months, with the provision that if the accused fails to be on best behavior, the prosecution comes back to life.
However, the point of a nolle is to discourage criminal recidivism, not to act as a lever in service to some executive policy; here, pretty clearly, the "without prejudice" aspect is precisely that.
Post is right; Blackman is dead wrong.
Nolle prosequi with no definite deadline (like 13 months) violates the Sixth Amendment right to a speedy trial. Klopfer v. North Carolina, 386 U.S. 213 (1967).
Massachusetts ones don't have a deadline.
I think MA (where I don't practice) and CT (where I do) have different nolles. In CT, a nolle can ripen into a dismissal after 13 months; in MA, it's an *immediate* dismissal or acquittal (see: https://casetext.com/rule/massachusetts-court-rules/massachusetts-rules-of-criminal-procedure/rule-16-dismissal-by-the-prosecution).
Massachusetts has what other states call "diversion." Any time before imposition of sentence the court can pause a case, reviving it only if the defendant does not meet conditions of release. As a plea this is called an "admission to sufficient facts." After a guilty verdict the process is placing a count or an indictment "on file." The defendant's consent to this process may be required.
An admission to sufficient facts in state court may be treated as a conviction by federal officials. If you're not a citizen or you want a gun not all these diversionary schemes are the same.
Any refilling of charges would be subject to the statute of limitations. But those don’t look like they’ll start expiring until 2027, and most look like they’ll be good until late 2028.
Mr. Trump wants an essentially feudal polity, in which offices constitute fiefdoms that lords exploit for their personal benefit. This whole business of public service is a concept he wants to destroy. He wants people to acknowledge his ruling class as their masters, people whose asses they have to kiss if they know what’s good for them.
And Mr. Blackman portrays Trump as serving the norms of American law in more or less the way Stalin’s flatterers portrayed his every purge as serving the aims of scientific Marxism, and in roughly the way medieval flatterers portrayed their lord’s every double-cross and power grab as a saintly act serving the ideals of the Church.
There is no Trump personal benefit. He is making America great.
It's only about America. Nothing personal
Do you think he’ll be able to make it as great as Zaire was under Mbutu Sese Seko, one of the world’s truly great leaders? What a model of just how truly great this country could be if we only dropped this liberalism bullshit.
Seko made Zaire so great he could grab almost any pussy he wanted, just by offering families food in exchange for their daughters, the people were so starving, he had commandeered all the food aid so Western countries would keep giving more. Saves on having to call in the secret police. Appointed loyal friends to key positions just like Trump has, and look at just how well they ran it! A truly great leader of a truly great country.
As Trump has made clear, greatness is measured by how much others fear you.
The real trouble will come when the charges and the evidence used to squeeze people into doing favors for Trump start getting faked. There will have to be a much more thorough purge of the Justice Department to get rid of the Deep State traitors opposed to such things. But part of the purpose of these initial foreys into corruption is to identify the people who need to be purxged first. Plus, of course, to start boiling the frog and get us gradually used to such things.
They don't have the ability to think that far ahead, but you describe what will end up happening.
It already happened under the Obama and Biden administrations, except the DOJ and FBI decided it was good to fake those charges and evidence. Jack Smith didn't resign, even after his miscarriages of justice in the McDonnell, Edwards, Menendez and Silver prosecutions and his history of misconduct and leaking (or encouraging/allowing his subordinates to leak) came to light.
Few things are more corrosive in politics than the conviction that you have been wronged so much that you're justified in breaking all the rules to get even.
Its much more corrosive to let one side have carte blanche to do what it wants, it leads to more and more.
Eye for an eye ends a lot sooner, with less damage to the system.
Before everyone is blind?
Of course. How does the first guy with no eyes know where to strike?
The issue in this case is not anyone on the 'other side' doing what they want, though.
You've become so unprincipled that the 'get even' part isn't needed anymore.
I believe Michael P's comment said Dems started it by faking crimes against Trump.
It didn’t, actually.
What evidence do you feel was faked in any of those four cases?
As I've noted in the past, the odd thing about the Trump prosecutions is that there was essentially no dispute about any of the allegations against Trump. MAGA challenged whether Trump's actions amounted to crimes, whether they should've been crimes, whether the prosecutions were improperly motivated, whether he was immune, etc. But nobody said, "Actually, Trump didn't commit the actus rei."
The fact that people respond opportunistically in moving things in a general direction rather than following a rigid detailed plan doesn’t mean they’re not thinking. Flexible, opportunistic approaches often work better than rigidly planned ones.
In general, if approach A works better than approach B, the people who do approach A are empirically smarter than the people who do approach B. If the people who do approach B score higher on intelligence tests, that means that intelligence tests aren’t measuring anything real, at least with regard to this issue. I think one has to accept that as a basic starting point for assessing things. It doesn’t mean that they’re dumber and they lucked out, the world isn’t fair because it lets dumb people succeed, or something like that. One has to assess intelligence in respect to the world as it is, not as one thinks or wishes it should be.
and it’s a critical point. A lot of smart people thought Hitler was dumb, and were confident that because he was dumb, he couldn’t possibly succeed. Fatal mistake for many of them. Hitler was not dumb. Trump is not dumb.
Hitler, at least before he went to war, had the political wisdom that Trump lacks. He knew what to say and when to say it. With Trump, it's the same "weaving" all the time. Gratuitously pissing off the rest of the world (except for Putin and Netanyahu) is not smart.
Hitler got to be Chancellor because the Nazi Party deliberately moderated its rhetoric and did unexpectedly well in the 1932 elections. Trump is incapable of doing such.
Trump won an election. It was all in the news.
"unexpectedly well in the 1932 elections"
The July election. Hitler lost 34 seats in the November one.
One major difference between the "inducements" Blackman the apologist for fascism points to (requiring defendants who are politicians to resign or drop their campaigns) and the deal which isn't a deal with Adams is removing someone from political office or keeping them from obtaining it isn't created a lever to have an elected official use that office for a White House's ends.
This is akin to the Biden White House working through the DOJ to put criminal charges over the heads of Republican members of Congress, withholding them so long as they voted for Biden's agenda. Except that didn't happen, and, had it, we can rest assured Blackman would have loudly decried it as an abuse of power.
fascism!
The new racism!, thrown at everything one does not like.
I'm really disappointed in how the quality of your comments has declined over the years. You've always been a crank, but this new streak of performative cruelty is relatively new.
"Blackman the apologist for fascism points to (requiring defendants who are politicians to resign or drop their campaigns)"
It almost sounds like...lawfare
Instead, the DOJ threatened to put businesses out of business unless they complied with Biden's agenda.
I don't see a substantive difference.
Is there a macro or something that will hide Blackman's posts? My blood pressure can't stand even scrolling through such BS.
It's a carrot on a stick, like holding it in front of a donkey to get it to pull a cart.
It's not carrot or a stick, as in whipping the animal. I don't know what that would be called, but it's not corrupting carrot-and-stick.
In this cacophony of pygmies, at least one person has not had his soul corrupted with the promise of a little power over his fellow countrymen.
Keep up the good work, Professor Blackman.
maybe I'm not understanding Josh's O.P., but it sure looks to me like he's saying that "While Adams remains in office, his deferred prosecution is contingent on providing material support to the government." [NB: the 'support' he's referring to is support in Adams' official capacity as Mayor of NYC] He goes on: "If support is not provided, then the deferred prosecution is off the table. This is the sort of thing DOJ does all the time ."
Hmm. Evidence that DOJ does this "all the time"? One case in which the DOJ's attempt to do this was struck down by the court. And one op-ed by a former federal prosecutor. Pretty weak tea, imho.
DOJ has agreed to drop prosecution or agree to lesser charges of a public official if the official agrees to leave office. Besides the one Prof. Blackman cited in NY, there is the far more famous one of Spiro Agnew.
Getting a corrupt public official to no longer have the power to be a corrupt public official seems like furthering a goal of stopping future public corruption.
What does this example say? If the goal is to get the corrupt official to stay in power so they can help the feds' goals it seems like the feds are saying they are okay with the corruption so long as the corrupt party toes the fed line. If the prosecution was legally or factually meritless, they would have dismissed with prejudice, wouldn't they? Why dismiss with leave in this instance?
Pretty ethically suspect, no? Maybe not in Trump's orbit but everywhere else? Ya. It carries the lingering stench of a corrupt bargain.