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Mother Convicted of "Unlawful Posting of a Message" for Website Sharply Criticizing Woman Who Accused Mother's Son of Rape
The Michigan Court of Appeals just upheld the conviction, under a statute that requires showing of purpose to (among other things) "harass[]" or "molest[]," and reason to know that third parties would send the target unwanted and "harass[ing]" or "molest[ing]" messages. The statute doesn't require any showing that the accusations were false.
From People v. Dingee, decided Friday by Michigan Court of Appeals Chief Justice Michael Gadola and Justices Kirsten Frank Kelly and Robert Redford:
This case has its origins with two young adults—SK [defendant's son] and the victim—who were close friends in high school and for a time after high school…. In June 2020, the victim confronted SK at [a] party and loudly and repeatedly yelled that he had raped her [at an earlier party]. According to SK, a crowd of people chased him back to his friend's car, and his friend drove him away. Approximately two months later, a former girlfriend contacted SK and arranged to meet with him at night in a secluded park. The former girlfriend allegedly lured SK to the park so that a group could ambush him. At this arranged meeting, SK was attacked. Defendant blamed the victim for the attack on her son, even though there was no evidence that the victim planned, encouraged, or participated in it.
Defendant created a website, titled "[Redacted by court]Lies.com," through which she accused the victim of lying. On that website, defendant attacked the victim's reputation and posted images of the victim that included details that would allow others to identify the victim's social media accounts.
Defendant also posted what she deemed to be evidence that the victim fabricated her claim against SK. Defendant asserted that the victim was responsible for the attack on her son and posted images of his injuries. In addition to the website, defendant posted numerous messages and comments on Facebook targeting the victim and referring people to the website she had created. She also eventually made TikTok videos about the victim.
After the victim began receiving numerous threats and comments from third parties on her social media accounts, the victim was forced to close the accounts. She testified that she also quit school and work, and she moved back home for her own safety.
Dingee was convicted for violating the "unlawful posting" statute, MCL 750.411s, which reads, in relevant part:
(1) A person shall not post a message through the use of any medium of communication … without the victim's consent, if all of the following apply:
(a) The person knows or has reason to know that posting the message could cause 2 or more separate noncontinuous acts of unconsented contact [by third parties] with the victim.
(b) Posting the message is intended to cause conduct that would make the victim feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, threatened, harassed, or molested.
(c) Conduct arising from posting the message would cause a reasonable person to suffer emotional distress and to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, threatened, harassed, or molested.
(d) Conduct arising from posting the message causes the victim to suffer emotional distress and to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, threatened, harassed, or molested….
The court upheld the conviction, reasoning that such speech was punishable as "speech integral to criminal conduct." The court acknowledged that, under People v. Burkman (Mich. 2024),
[T]he speech-integral-to-criminal-conduct exception cannot be triggered just by speech itself being a violation of a law, even a law that bans conduct as well as speech. Instead, for the exception to apply, the speech must be integral to some conduct or scheme that is illegal in nature and independent of the speech that might be used to facilitate or accomplish the conduct or scheme.
Yet despite that, the court concluded that this exception justifies punishing the speech when it's about a private figure and deals with what the court views as a matter of private concern (or a "private vendetta"):
The speech-integral-to-criminal-conduct exception generally applies to stalking and cyberstalking statutes, and, on that basis, this Court has rejected First Amendment challenges to those statutes, stating that "posting a message in violation of MCL 750.411s would not constitute protected speech because the message is integral to the harassment of the victim insofar as it leads to, and is intended to cause, unconsented contacts that terrorize, frighten, intimidate, threaten, harass, or molest the victim." Buchanan v. Crisler (Mich. App. 2018).
Although the speech-integral-to-criminal-conduct exception may properly apply to the messages prohibited under MCL 750.411s, this Court has nevertheless limited the application of that exception, which must be examined on a case-by-case basis. The exception does not apply if the person posted his or her message about a public figure and on a matter of public concern, because the First Amendment affords the highest protection for speech about public figures on matters of public concern. Buchanan. [Later in the opinion, the court phrases this rule as being that "MCL 750.411s(1) cannot be used to criminalize a message that targets a public figure or addresses a matter of public concern" (emphasis added), which Buchanan also at times mentions as the rule. -EV]
The trial court correctly determined that defendant's posts about the victim, which she posted on Facebook and her website, did not involve protected speech. Although there was evidence that defendant was angry about the handling of her son's assault case by the prosecutor and the police department, she did not create the website about the prosecutor or the police department—she created a website about the victim. The images and commentary posted on that website demonstrate that the purpose of the website was to demean and disparage the victim. There was nothing on the website that suggested that the goal of the website was to discuss, or bring to light, deficiencies in the police department or with the prosecutor's office, which only tangentially involved the victim. To the extent that defendant mentioned the prosecutor and police departments, she did so in the context of attempting to solicit aid in holding the victim to account for a purportedly false accusation against SK.
Defendant suggests that merely mentioning the prosecutor's office, the police department, or other persons who allegedly participated in the attack on her son in some social media posts was sufficient to invoke the protections of the First Amendment for all her comments and posts. We disagree. The context amply demonstrated that defendant focused her comments and posts on the victim as a private person over a private dispute, and any mention of public issues, public figures, or public entities within the posts directed at the victim was—at best—a "thinly veiled attempt to immunize a private harassment campaign as a matter of public concern." …
The victim was plainly not a public figure for purposes of the First Amendment and the evidence showed that defendant's comments were all about the victim or directed at the victim as a private person. To the extent that defendant made any comments about public figures—such as police officers or the prosecutor—the comments were tangential to her campaign to dehumanize and bully the victim, and the posts that defendant made about the victim did not relate to any "matter of political, social, or other concern to the community" and were not "a subject of legitimate news interest." Rather, defendant's posts were directed at the victim as a private person and as part of a private vendetta that defendant brought into public for personal reasons. Consequently, the trial court did not err when it determined that defendant was not entitled to an instruction concerning commentary on public figures or matters of public concern because the facts did not support such an instruction….
The evidence showed that defendant began her campaign by creating a website, through which she accused the victim of lying, and used her Facebook platform to direct followers and viewers to that website. On the website, defendant informed the viewer that she created the website because the victim refused to tell the truth about her "'rape,' about pretty much everything." Although defendant claimed that the website was not limited to discussing the victim, she made it clear that she was "done with pretty little liars making false allegations and ruining lives for sport." In the body of the website, defendant asserted that the victim's claims against SK were provably false, and she further claimed that the victim set in motion the vicious attack on SK that nearly caused his death. The content on the website demonstrates that defendant was focused on the victim and that her goal was to destroy the victim's credibility and to convince visitors to the site that the victim was responsible for the attack on SK.
A jury considering the evidence at trial could readily infer that defendant's goal was to get others to act to accost or harm the victim. Specifically, she wanted the victim's life to change "in a way that the darkness becomes scary in a very real way." Defendant makes much of the post in which she purportedly disclaimed the notion that she wanted to harm the victim; however, to the extent that defendant encouraged her followers not to threaten the victim, she nevertheless made it clear that she had no sympathy for anyone harmed by her posts….
In order to prove the charge at issue, the prosecutor had to prove that "[c]onduct arising from posting the message" both would cause a reasonable person "to suffer emotional distress and to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, threatened, harassed, or molested" and did in fact cause the victim to feel those things. Viewing the evidence in the light most favorable to the prosecutor, there was substantial evidence to support the causal relationship. The victim read several messages that she received into the record at trial. One was from a student at a different high school, who confronted the victim in a post about "ruin[ing] that kid's life." Another messenger told the victim: "'You're what's wrong with society. They should have thrown you into the river and let you drown, whore.'" Examining these messages in the light most favorable to the prosecutor, a reasonable juror could infer from it that the sender had visited defendant's website and adopted her view that the victim was primarily responsible for what happened to SK….
For decisions holding that the "speech integral to criminal conduct" exception doesn't apply to such statutes (without regard to whether the speech was on matters of private concern or about private figures), see People v. Relerford (Ill. 2017), Matter of Welfare of A.J.B. (Minn. 2019), State v. Doyal (Tex. Crim. App. 2019), and State v. Shackelford (N.C. App. 2019). To quote A.J.B.,
The State argues that Minn. Stat. § 609.795, subd. 1(3), reaches only speech integral to criminal conduct because repeatedly delivering messages to the victim that the actor intends to cause the victim to feel abused, disturbed, or distressed is illegal in Minnesota. This argument, as noted above, is circular—the speech covered by the statute is integral to criminal conduct because the statute itself makes the conduct illegal. That is not the test for speech integral to criminal conduct.
For a decision rejecting the view that speech on matters of private concern can be restricted as "harassment," "stalking," and the like, see Bey v. Rasawehr (Ohio 2020), and State v. Tracy (Vt. 2015). I have written in more detail about these matters in Overbroad Injunctions Against Speech (Especially in Libel and Harassment Cases) and One-to-One Speech vs. One-to-Many Speech, Criminal Harassment Laws, and "Cyberstalking".
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The defendant seems kinda bonkers but it also seems bonkers to have a criminal statute that forbids merely posting things which are not threats.
If the victim is getting true threats, arrest those people.
I think it can make sense to arrest the person posting things if they are posted with the intention of getting other people to harass them. Like inciting a riot.
And this statute seems specifically tailored to require proving intent to drive others to harass.
"I think it can make sense to arrest the person posting things if they are posted with the intention of getting other people to harass them."
Not unless you can show that the "harassment" was unprotected speech, like true threats.
The court her is claiming that the fact that the mom contested the allegations is sufficient to infer that she intended for the alleged false accuser to be harassed.
I think simply inciting harassment should be sufficient. Telling someone they suck, that they should have died, etc isn't a "true threat", but if a person gets that kind of insult thrown at them over and over, day after day, relentlessly? It can be very damaging.
I would view it as: If the collective result of the harassment would qualify for a no contact order if it came from a single person, instead of thousands over the internet, it would be sufficient.
A teenager being told they should go die over and over by thousands of people, even if each person only says it once, can be just as damaging as if a single person said it a thousand times. And being told "go die" isn't a true threat, but it's pretty terrible to get told.
And the court isn't claiming that. A jury of the mother's peers determined that the mom's posts were intended to incite others.
So should the state be able to prosecute the rape accusation as well? Getting called a rapist every day can be very damaging.
And let's not forget that getting put in jail for expressing your opinion can be very damaging as well.
If the victim had gone online with her accusation against the son, and a jury of the victim's peers determined she had done it to incite harassment, she should also be prosecuted under the same statute.
Again, I think the nature of this statute, and the idea behind it, is a good one. So often we read about online bullying campaigns driving children to suicide or isolation. A law narrowly tailored to prevent such situations (and this law is narrowly tailored in that the speech must be specifically intended to incite harassment) is a good law.
I use victim for simplicity, not because I inherently believe the accusation (which remains unproven).
A rape victim should go to jail for telling others she that was raped if her intent is get other people to tell the rapist that he is a bad person for raping her?
That seems grossly inconsistent with a free society.
"Sticks and stones can break bones but words will never hurt me."
"Feelings" even of a so-called reasonable person are too varied and personal to be a valid reason to curtail SPEECH however desiminated.
I don't know... there has to be SOME right to share information with the intent to produce fair and logical harassment campaigns, for certain values of harassment.
Remember the time during the civil rights era, where white shop owners in the deep south would occasionally sue black protestors for 'instigating unlawful boycotts' against them, thus driving them into bankruptcy?
By that logic, you could argue that generating a website to tell the story of a modern-day Rosa Parks was 'posting with the intent to get people to harass bus drivers'. Which, to be fair, it kind of IS, but that HAS to be legal.
In those instances a person is being told not to harass.
Any speech where the intended result is "Don't interact with this person" is inherently not harassment.
I would have the standard be "The collective result of the incited speech would qualify for a no contact order if it was done by a single individual", with incitement proven in a court of law.
We've seen, repeatedly, how damaging it can be for people to be harassed in their daily lives and over the internet due to these kinds of campaigns. Making such targeting illegal seems fair and just to me.
A lot of the angrier boycotts also involve people marching in lines, waving signs, and shouting insults, while pointedly and publicly refusing to buy stuff themselves, and also encouraging other people on the street not to buy things either.
IIRC most harrassment type statutes have as an element that there is no legitimate purpose other than to cause the feelings of fear, distress, etc. That seems to be missing in this statute. I think there is a good argument that such an element is required under the 1st A. to separate protected and non protected speech. Having not read the likely many posts, criticism of a person, especially with at least purported evidence, that is accusing someone of a crime would seem to be a legitimate purpose. Whether all the posts can be seen as doing only that IDK.
I dunno. Clearing your sons name so he doesn't get harassed seems to be a legitimate purpose.
Has the son been convicted (with good evidence)? If not seems kinda unfair to let everyone else smear and physically attack him but get the court to bring down the hammer when his family fights fire with fire.
I noticed that as well. Rather, I kept waiting for commentary about the lack of purpose for the alleged harassment.
I didn't read the lengthy excepts carefully, but the language seemed quite unbalanced, with one of the children being referenced always as 'the victim' and the other identified by initials, though neither had been convicted of anything. Calling one 'the victim' doesn't sound very impartial to me.
Well, according to the decision the alleged false accuser is a victim, although the decision is complete BS and anyone involved with the conviction needs to be run out of the criminal justice system.
EXACTLY!!!!!
It's "just us" instead of "justice."
She’s the victim of the crime that’s being appealed.
This is unmitigated BULLBLEEP!!!
"The trial court correctly determined that defendant's posts about the victim, which she posted on Facebook and her website, did not involve protected speech. "
But the purported victim's speech WAS?!?
She's doing exactly what his mother is doing -- she's identifying him as a criminal, and his mother is identifying her as being a criminal. It is, after all, criminal to falsely accuse someone of a felony, and exactly what did she think that people reading her posts would do?
What would a rational adult female think would happen?!?
And what if he'd been armed and fired in self defense? Being attacked by a violent mob? Even in Massachusetts that would be considered legitimate self defense. And the real question is why did they attack him if it wasn't motivated by her?
Furthermore, both are dealing with THIRD PARTY acts. There is no more proof that mother motivated attacks on her than hers motivated attacks on him.
It's feces like this that defines what I call "toxic feminism."
Hopefully, this will go to SCOTUS...
Nobody said that, or even discussed the issue.
From the above narrative, she's not doing any such thing. "In June 2020, the victim confronted SK at [a] party and loudly and repeatedly yelled that he had raped her [at an earlier party]. " That is the only mention of what she did, not that "is doing" anything.
It is not. It is a crime to make a false report to the police, but not to merely make a false accusation. (The latter, of course, could be defamation.)
What are you talking about? There were no posts by the victim.
"It is a crime to make a false report to the police, but not to merely make a false accusation."
I dunno. The jury could infer that her goal was to get others to act to accost or harm the guy.
Brandenburg v. Ohio.
This case.
Davin, my point is that this speech was in response to earlier provocative speech, and that definitely was/is relevant!
Second, as to a STATE action, it doesn't matter if speech was verbal, electronic, or printed on a banner towed behind an airplane. It's still speech and still harassment.
And what do you think the Delta Charlie expected to happen?
It is not, in fact, relevant. And my point is that you made up most of this supposed "earlier speech," as those facts are not found in the actual court case.
The court described victim did not incite a harassment campaign against the defendants son.
A jury of the defendants peers determined that she (the mother) acted with specific intent to incite harassment.
If the mother had posted her webpage without intent to incite, she would not have been found guilty.
Why should incitement of harassment be treated differently than incitement to riot? Because there is only one victim?
A jury of their peers found the Scottsboro Boys guilty....
Just sayin...
A jury of peers has often failed to reach the correct verdict (as often seen in the Jim Crow south, and more recently with death penalty cases where DNA evidence was not able to be tested due to the era when the crime occurred).
However, it is the best system that we have.
One which contains more "just us" than "justice."
Is your problem with the law itself? If so, I would ask what you think the penalty should be for intentionally creating a campaign of harassment.
If an adult creates a webpage entitled "drive jane to suicide" and encourages people to send hurtful, intimidating messages to jane, to go to janes house and throw rocks at it, to go to janes place of work and throw rocks at it, should that be legal? I would argue no. What do you think?
You ask a valid question and I wouldn't say anything had the purported victim said nothing (and perhaps gone to the police).
But here she started it! She "confronted SK at [a] party and loudly and repeatedly yelled that he had raped her [at an earlier party]. According to SK, a crowd of people chased him back to his friend's car, and his friend drove him away."
I somehow doubt that this was the only time she did something like this, but this was witnessed. Here, she is reporting that Jane is doing that which you suggest should be illegal.
Well, if he raped her, he started it.
AND IF HE DIDN'T??????
Or as more often happens, both were so drunk and on so many drugs that neither has any idea who said what to whom....
The point, obviously, is that we don't know whether he raped her or not.
And since we don't know, we can't say who started it. If he raped her, he started it by so doing. If he didn't, then she started it with a false accusation.
Hence your "she started it" conclusion lacks evidence. You don't know who started it. So it's best not to leap to a conclusion on the point.
There was not, in fact, a jury of their peers. You are really bad at facts.
The state said it was.
It was 12 people randomly selected from the lynch mob that was erecting a gallows in front of the courthouse.
What could be fairer?
So too here...
"Posting the message is intended to cause conduct that would make the victim feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, threatened, harassed, or molested."
I do not see statutory definitions for the six prohibited feelings. A subset of this vaguely defined behavior is punishable under standard criminal threatening precedent.
From a certain point of view, the "America's most wanted" tv show posted those kinds of messages all the time.
What else would you call causing some poor innocent mass-murderer to feel in constant fear of arrest and trial for the rest of his life?
Osama Bin Laden spent years living in terror that his secret private semi-fortified home would be located and stormed. How dare we attempt to create the conduct of having everyone in the world trying to find him and publish his address?
The better example was "to Catch A Predator" and that ended with a suicide and a 7-figure lawsuit settled out of court.
And America's Most Wanted involve crimes reported to police and the goal is (essentially) have people give tips to the police -- and information was presented as "police say" or "according to police."
Does the law in question include a police exception? I didn't see one in the summary....
Good point.
But does the speed law have an exception for police?
Yes, the Michigan traffic law explicitly does say police can speed, with conditions and exceptions. (Must have lights and siren on unless there's a good reason not to, must be responding to an emergency call or attempting to apprehend someone, must not endanger lives or property.)
Somehow we got from 'she accused him of rape publicly' to 'the victim.' No mention I can see of any evidence that she was, in fact, the victim of a crime. No trial mentioned. So why is she called a victim?
She was the "victim" of the bullshit offense that the mom was convicted of in this case.
The trial was the trial that resulted in the conviction that’s being appealed: the evidence is the evidence that led to that conviction. This isn’t that hard.
Michigan could potentially enact a criminal libel statute. And if it does so it can also impose additional elements limiting its reach to, or create an aggravated version of the crime imposing additional punishment for, cases where the state thinks a defamatory falsehood is particularly harmful, for example cases where it creates emotional distress or constitutes harassment as the state legislature defines harassment. But nonetheless, a defamatory falsehood is an essential element and anythjng else is extra.
This statute does not appear to have done so. It does not require proof that the statements were false. And the state appears to have shown, and the trial court found, only that the statements “demean and disparage” the “victim,” not that they did so falsely or that, for private figures, the defendant violated a duty of care to verify their veracity.
Yeah, the world would make a lot more sense if we actually bothered to bring back Criminal Libel/Slander statutes, with sane tests for guilt, and optimized for enforcement in situations like this, where monetary settlements for damages really didn't address the issue nearly as well as mens rea tests for criminal intent did.
It seems to me that the law interferes with what should be a purely civil matter. If the
"victim" believes that she has been libeled by SK's mother, she should bring a civil suit to address it. The mother didn't appear to solicit injury of the "victim" so there's nothing actionable there (the mother, like everyone, has a right not to care if another person is injured).
As a note, I put "victim" in quotation marks, given that the article assumes that she is one, but provides no evidence of that.
A jury of the mother's peers found that the mother did, in fact, incite (aka indirectly solicit) harassment of the "victim."
Or is harassment not an injury to you? If you got a thousand messages a day from random numbers telling you to kill yourself, and another thousand saying you were ugly, an awful person, and then received those same messages online would that not be an injury?
What about her son?
Harassment on social media is not an injury to me. An inconvenience, yes; especially if I have to scan them to find any actual threats and hand them to the site admins and police (and keep a durable copy). Oh, and block all of them.
It would become an injury if and when a viable physical encounter seemed possible, such as getting a letter in the (physical) mail, or a reference to some location I habituate. Then I would have to exert resources to defend myself.
We had a case earlier where someone impersonated his ex and published social media posts complete with nude photos claiming to be a nymphomaniac and inviting men to approach her for sex.
I think that was clearly soliciting harassment in the crime-facilitating speech sense. The man was directly responsible for, and a jury could easily find he intended, the propositioning, grabbing, lewd behavior, and other direct in-person harassment behavior, behavior clearly not protected by the First Amendment. that the ex had to endure from a parade of men as a result of his actions.
I don’t see that happening in this case. The author “demeaned and disparaged” the “victim.” But I don’t think she solicited others to do anything like what the ex did in the other case.
Criminal libel statutes are constitutuonal. Whetehr they should exist or not is a policy choice.
"unlawfully posting a message"
Oi, you got a loicence for message-posting?
oops, double post.
IT is always going to be far easier and more likelly to snag a lawyer, if you are the person complaining about someone else's postings.