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Further Thoughts on Justice Barrett's Recusal in Oklahoma Statewide Charter School Board v. Drummond
On Friday afternoon, the Supreme Court granted certiorari in Oklahoma Oklahoma Statewide Charter School Board v. Drummond, and the companion case, St. Isidore of Seville Catholic Virtual School. Shortly before sundown, I dashed off a fairly-rushed post that considered why Justice Barrett may have recused. After some reflection, I will provide further thoughts.
St. Isidore of Seville Catholic Virtual School is represented by lawyers from Dechert, Perri Dunn (an Oklahoma Law Firm), and the Notre Dame Religious Liberty Clinic. Justice Barrett is an adjunct professor at Notre Dame Law School. In 2023, she earned nearly $15,000 from the law school. If Notre Dame University was a party, Barrett's affiliation with the University would trigger a recusal. (Justice Jackson, for example, sort-of-recused from the Harvard affirmative action case because she was on the Harvard Board of Overseers.) In theory at least, a ruling for, or against Notre Dame University could affect Barrett's employer's bottom line. But I do not think that a clinic affiliated with the school is sufficient to trigger a recusal. Moreover, Justice Kavanaugh was also an adjunct at Notre Dame in 2023, earning $25,000. And Kavanaugh did not recuse from the Oklahoma case. Many others judges also adjunct at Notre Dame; I do not think they have recused when the clinic has filed briefs in the circuit courts.
But we're not quite done with the clinic. Nicole and Rick Garnett are both faculty fellows to that clinic, but their names do not appear anywhere on the briefs. It is possible that the Garnett's connection to the clinic might not trigger Kavanaugh's recusal, but would trigger Barrett's recusal.
It is public knowledge that the Barretts and Garnett are extremely close friends. Barrett is the godmother of one of the Garnett's children. Indeed, in 2023 ABC News made a fuss that Barrett co-hosted a baby shower for Nicole Garnett at the Supreme Court in the Justices' spouses' dining room. ABC News raised this point in the context of the Notre Dame Clinic's amicus brief in Groff v. Dejoy, with the suggestion that Barrett had close ties. The suggestion was that Barrett should have recused from the case.
Did Barrett recuse because her dear friends were advisors to the clinic? If so, that recusal risk would pervade every single case the clinic works on. I deeply respect the clinic, and the work that they do. But it needs to be said that in any religious liberty case that could make it to the Supreme Court, Justice Barrett's vote is likely needed. And there is no way to know, ex ante, which case may go upstairs. Indeed, there are already many such cases in the pipeline that could trigger Barrett's recusal.
Then again, maybe the Garnett's affiliation with the clinic was not the cause of the recusal. The clinic has filed several Supreme Court amicus briefs, including in Groff v. DeJoy and Kennedy v. Bremerton, without triggering Barrett's recusal. On the lower courts, the filing of an amicus brief will generally trigger a recusal. FRAP 29(a)(2) permit striking a brief that could cause a recusal. I do not think the filing of an amicus brief would trigger recusal. If so, it would be too easy for malicious parties to file conflicting amicus briefs to knock a justice off the case.
The other possibility is that Barrett recused because Nicole Garnett has advised St. Isidore's. The New York Times stated that Garnett "helped advise St. Isidore's organizers." And Reuters stated that Garnett "has provided legal representation to the school's organizers." The Clinic also helped to organize the charter school in 2023:
In an interview with The Observer, Nicole Garnett, the Associate Dean for External Engagement at the Law School and a Professor of Law, explained that, "every state that has charter schools – there's 45 – prohibits them from being religious."
At this point St. Isidore reached out to the Notre Dame Religious Liberty Clinic for legal aid and for help organizing the school, Farley said.
"The dioceses in Oklahoma knew about the Clinic … so they reached out and said, 'We're thinking about this. What do you think?'" Garnett recounted. "I had already been writing quite a bit about religious charter schools, so it was a natural fit for us to take that work on." . . .
Farley specifically pointed to Nicole Garnett and John Meiser, Notre Dame Law Professor and Director of the Religious Liberty Clinic, as being crucial to helping the school's legal case. "We really wouldn't have been able to do what we've done without their assistance."
None of this information was in the briefs. Garnett's name does not appear in the "parties to the proceeding" section. Nor was this information in the corporate disclosure statement. Barrett must have known about this because Barrett had personal knowledge.
Recusal is triggered if a close family member is a party in the case, but I do not think "Godmother" to a person's child would count. Recusal is a very personal decision. My guess is that Barrett recused because her best friend was one of the people who advised St. Isidore's, even if Garnett is not a party, and was not involved in the current litigation. I don't think any rule or canon would have required Barrett to recuse. But she herself may not have thought she could adjudicate this case fairly in light of her relationship with the Garnetts. That is, could she rule fairly concerning the institution her best friend organized and has publicly defended? (Before cert was granted, I predicted that the cautious Barrett would vote to affirm the Oklahoma Supreme Court.) Barrett's participation may have also attracted some public scrutiny, in light of the ABC News story after Groff. And Barrett has now avoided that scrutiny
At bottom, we do not know why Justice Barrett recused, as she did not explain the reason for her recusal. The unexplained recusal is really the worst of all worlds, because of the uncertainty it creates for the future. What is this uncertainty, you may ask? So long as the Garnetts are affiliated with the clinic, clients may fear hiring the clinic to avoid risking Barrett's recusal. I think the clinic's participation as an amicus is fine, but client representation is a different matter. Worse still, any legal work that the Garnetts have already touched, or will touch, may trigger Barrett's recusal down the road. Rational clients then may decide to not involve the Garnetts in order to ensure a full complement of Justices on the bench. None of these options are good.
This is not a pleasant post for me to write. I hold Nicole and Rick Garnett in the highest esteem. They have always been so gracious to me, and to everyone else in academia. Unlike most professors, who try to stay out of the limelight, the Garnetts lean into it. Their scholarship is not esoteric, but is impactful. I wish more professors could follow the model set by the Garnetts. And their work on St. Isidore is so important. This charter school, in particular, could be a paradigm shifting institution for religious instruction. Yet, there is a perverse tradeoff now. Any case that intimately involves the Garnett, should it reach the Supreme Court, might trigger a recusal risk. Maybe Justice Barrett will recuse, maybe she will not. But when planning a case ex ante, there is no way to know for certain what will happen. The rational course would be to avoid any possible recusal risk, even if that means walling off the Garnetts. Again, this is not a pleasant post for me to write, because we would all be poorer for not having the Garnetts influence cases of public concern. Justice Barrett's recusal, and failure to explain why, has allowed this uncertainty to percolate.
Finally, Barrett's recusal will create some uncomfortable situations for Justices Thomas in particular. He has not recused from cases tangentially connected to Harlan Crow, because Crow was not a party, and there is no rule that you must recuse because a friend may be affected by a case. Justice Scalia's non-recusal in the Dick Cheney case speaks to this issue. But now Justice Barrett has put forward a new standard that recusal is required if a close friend may be affected by a case, even if that friend is neither counsel nor a party to this case. This rule was novel, and potentially sets a new precedent.
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Normally, one might want to try doing this in the other order.
That having been said, Blackman's "reflection" didn't actually make his commentary any more helpful, so maybe it doesn't matter. It just gave him more time to write wordily about stuff where he has no idea about the facts.
Yup, that is what he did. Barrett does not owe him any explanation.
I can understand why Professor Blackman might be concerned about a Supreme Court justice actually displaying a sense of ethics.
My guess is that Barrett was more directly involved -- socially if not legally.
Why wouldn't -- shouldn't -- they ask her for suggestions as to how to do it legally? Might she have been involved in some of the initial brainstorming?
And has she donated to the school?
Because the judicial code of conduct prohibits judges from providing legal advice (with an exception only for free advice to close family members).
As for donations no one knows. No one knows why she recused. But that won't stop the good Prof from making multiple posts on his conjecture and then why he thinks that conjecture would be a mistake on her part. Because apparently nothing is better than critiquing his own made up reasons
Interesting.
It's ok for a judge to teach what the law is, but not to explain what it is, and that makes logical sense?
No, those are the sae thing. Abstract discussions about what the law is is not "legal advice." Legal advice, in this context, involves reviewing a person's specific problem and telling them what steps they can/should take to resolve it.
"But now Justice Barrett has put forward a new standard that recusal is required if a close friend may be affected by a case, even if that friend is neither counsel nor a party to this case. This rule was novel, and potentially sets a new precedent."
That is horseshit, and Professor Blackman should know that it is horseshit. Recusal decisions are personal to the justice involved and create no precedent whatsoever.
Except when you disagree with the decision.
In my opinion, justices do themselves and the public a disservice by not explaining their recusals. Since the court won't police itself or give itself rules of behavior, recusal parameters give at least a benchmark for how people like Harlan Thomas should/shouldn't conduct themselves...not that he gives a shit
Blackman doesn't seem, even by inference, to consider the possibility that Barrett AJ decided *in her own considered discretion* to disqualify, or recuse, herself, on the ground of an objectively reasonable apprehension of bias, as distinct from any probable actual bias. It doesn't appear that any application for disqualification was made by either party; therefore, no reasons were given in any case. This strengthens the point that the instant decision is unlikely, I'd have thought, to generate any generally-operative "standard".
"Recusal is triggered if a close family member is a party in the case, but I do not think "Godmother" to a person's child would count."
Another uninformed conclusion by Josh concerning a culture he knows little about.
I grew up Catholic and it means a great deal. Godparents are responsible for the child's spiritual growth and often take that seriously. They stay involved in the upbringing. At least that was true where I'm from. And in the denomination Barrett belongs to they apparently take spiritual growth seriously.
I'd agree that such a fact, given the type of Barrett AJ's confessional commitments, may well have materially affected her consideration. It's impossible to know, of course, whether it were decisive. I should think that the more general point is that her bona fide exercise of her discretion doesn't establish any enforceable "standard" which would bind the consideration of other justices not similarly-placed.
I grew up Catholic and godparents didn't do squat. The theory is they take responsibility for ensuring raising the kid in the religious faith. In practice, see ya next Easter, Uncle. And never, Auntie down in Virginia.
Having said that, you do need to be close just to get that functionally honorary position, especially if not actually a relative, so I don't see this as breaking the idea of close association.
You clearly know nothing about Il Padrino
Catholics have a range of experiences. I know this from experience.
NO, wrong completely. IF the parents die (whose responsibility is the religious upbringing of children) THEN the godparents step in.
And your deduction is wrong too. Many relatives are often much closer to the godchild than the godparent is.
Indeed, godparents are considered to be spiritual kin to their godchildren and their natural parents, so (for example and God forbid) if Rick Garnett and Amy Coney Barrett were to find themselves single, they would not be allowed to marry.
In any case, the issue is not that the godparentage does or does not create a close enough relationship to require recusal. But it's possible this relationship is close enough.
Recusal was never meant to be an admission that you can't be objective.
In Plato's "Phaedo," Socrates famously states that "there is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate arguments,"
I told my students : Yes, I have strong opinions on some things and, yes, I am wrong on some things for sure BUT THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THAT IS NOT TO RECUSE MYSELF BUT RATHER TO PLAINLY STATE MY STRONG OPINIONS AND LET YOU DEAL WITH IT
To just refrain increase misinformatin and imisunderstanding. I had a teacher in grad school world-famous for a certian opinion that his enemy in France just as strongly opposed. Now am I to defend him just becfause he was MY famous teacher.
You might be the only person on earth who has a hard time understanding either judges actual recusal decisions, or calls for judges (justices) to recuse in other cases where they don't. It's very weird. Normally when people have a systematic medical inability to understand, they stop and ask orhers that do understand, but you just write hundreds and hundreds of posts from a position of incredulity. Very very weird stuff.
But it's not incredulity; it's incredulity plus ignorance. It would be one thing if she had given a reason and he disagreed with it. But she didn't — though I do, as I mentioned yesterday, think she should have — so he just keeps brainstorming reasons and then attacking her for them.
"we do not know why Justice Barrett recused"
. . .
"now Justice Barrett has put forward a new standard"
What?
Forget it, CommentMonkey, it's Blackmantown.
I would advise her to recuse herself off the Court entirely and retire to give President Trump an opportunity to correct his error and appoint a new justice. But I suppose though she’s waiting to see what Roberts does so she can just mimic him as usual.
I don’t need Prof. Blackman’s mind reading powers to say with close to complete certainty that this is not, in fact, why she has not resigned.
I think you're ignoring the fact that a bot has advised her to resign.
Can't speak to what the troll wrote because I've muted him/her/it, and I thought this was obvious, but you do understand that I'm being facetious don't you?
We don't need to draw lines on an org chart and ask if they are dotted or solid. If she subjectively felt too close to the case she should step aside. Otherwise she should apply the usual test involving a reasonable observer who knows all the facts.
Bottom line, she didn't say why she recused.
We can guess. Why not? People need hobbies.
Reference is made about how Barrett's decision is going to cause problems for Thomas. As has been noted, recusals are personal matters left open to each justice's discretion. Justice William O. Douglas once noted this in a letter.
[The Douglas letters: Selections from the private papers of Justice William O. Douglas]
Justice Barrett's recusal, and failure to explain why, has allowed this uncertainty to percolate.
I have supported the liberals' approach of citing ethical guidelines when they recuse. I think that is a sensible approach. Nonetheless, even then, it is just a brief reference. They do not provide a discussion regarding each decision they make.
There will always be some uncertainty.
"Most professors try to state out of the limelight"? Maybe that's true of, say, engineering professors, but it isn't obviously true of law professors. At the very least, a large portion of law professors like to be consulted, treated with deference, and otherwise to get attention in the media.
That sentence struck me as BS also.
Surely Blackman compulsively seeks the limelight, as do many other lawyers. I mean, they are all over TV news programs whenever a Constitutional dispute or a spectacular criminal trial attract attention.
So long as the Garnetts are affiliated with the clinic, clients may fear hiring the clinic to avoid risking Barrett's recusal. .... Rational clients then may decide to not involve the Garnetts in order to ensure a full complement of Justices on the bench. None of these options are good.
If so that means they have no confidence in Barrett's objectivity.
NO, it does not , it means they have more fear of what many, many others will make of it. As happened with Thomas and Alito.
What? No. If true, it means they think she'll recuse and her objectivity or lack thereof will therefore not come into play.
Nothing frustrates Blackman like when personal integrity gets in the way of the outcome he wishes.
So much he will spend lots of effort explaining away the integrity.
JB has ANOTHER post up. This is getting to be the "Blackman Blog with Occasional Guests."
This fucking guy.
Why Barret recused: She ran outta gas. She had a flat tire. She didn't have enough money for cab fare. Her court dress didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from outta town. Someone stole her car. There was an earthquake, a terrible flood, locusts! She had to recuse!
Do you know what the easiest part of all this is? Getting the freaking name of the University right: It's "the University of Notre Dame." "Notre Dame University" is in Australia. I don't think they have a religious-liberty clinic.
Barrett's recusal will create some uncomfortable situations for Justices Thomas
I feel confident that Thomas can withstand a little discomfort.