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"Speaking with and in Favor of a Foreign Adversary Is One Thing. Allowing a Foreign Adversary to Spy on Americans Is Another"
From Justice Gorsuch's opinion concurring in the judgment (and thus agreeing with the majority's result without signing on to its reasoning) in TikTok, Inc. v. Garland:
We have had a fortnight to resolve, finally and on the merits, a major First Amendment dispute affecting more than 170 million Americans. Briefing finished on January 3, argument took place on January 10, and our opinions issue on January 17, 2025. Given those conditions, I can sketch out only a few, and admittedly tentative, observations.
[1.] [T]he Court rightly refrains from endorsing the government's asserted interest in preventing "the covert manipulation of content" as a justification for the law before us. One man's "covert content manipulation" is another's "editorial discretion." Journalists, publishers, and speakers of all kinds routinely make less-than-transparent judgments about what stories to tell and how to tell them. Without question, the First Amendment has much to say about the right to make those choices. It makes no difference that Americans (like TikTok Inc. and many of its users) may wish to make decisions about what they say in concert with a foreign adversary.
"Those who won our independence" knew the vital importance of the "freedom to think as you will and to speak as you think," as well as the dangers that come with repressing the free flow of ideas. Whitney v. California (1927) (Brandeis, J., concurring). They knew, too, that except in the most extreme situations, "the fitting remedy for evil counsels is good ones." Too often in recent years, the government has sought to censor disfavored speech online, as if the internet were somehow exempt from the full sweep of the First Amendment. See, e.g., Murthy v. Missouri (2024) (Alito, J., dissenting). But even as times and technologies change, "the principle of the right to free speech is always the same." Abrams v. United States (1919) (Holmes, J., dissenting).
[2.] I harbor serious reservations about whether the law before us is "content neutral" and thus escapes "strict scrutiny." More than that, while I do not doubt that the various "tiers of scrutiny" discussed in our case law—"rational basis, strict scrutiny, something(s) in between"—can help focus our analysis, I worry that litigation over them can sometimes take on a life of its own and do more to obscure than to clarify the ultimate constitutional questions.
[3.] [But] whatever the appropriate tier of scrutiny, I am persuaded that the law before us seeks to serve a compelling interest: preventing a foreign country, designated by Congress and the President as an adversary of our Nation, from harvesting vast troves of personal information about tens of millions of Americans.
The record before us establishes that TikTok mines data both from TikTok users and about millions of others who do not consent to share their information. According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, TikTok can access "any data" stored in a consenting user's "contact list"—including names, photos, and other personal information about unconsenting third parties. And because the record shows that the People's Republic of China (PRC) can require TikTok's parent company "to cooperate with [its] efforts to obtain personal data," there is little to stop all that information from ending up in the hands of a designated foreign adversary. The PRC may then use that information to "build dossiers … for blackmail," "conduct corporate espionage," or advance intelligence operations.
To be sure, assessing exactly what a foreign adversary may do in the future implicates "delicate" and "complex" judgments about foreign affairs and requires "large elements of prophecy." But the record the government has amassed in these cases after years of study supplies compelling reason for concern.
[4.] [And] the law before us also appears appropriately tailored to the problem it seeks to address. Without doubt, the remedy Congress and the President chose here is dramatic. The law may require TikTok's parent company to divest or (effectively) shutter its U. S. operations. But before seeking to impose that remedy, the coordinate branches spent years in negotiations with TikTok exploring alternatives and ultimately found them wanting. And from what I can glean from the record, that judgment was well founded.
Consider some of the alternatives. Start with our usual and preferred remedy under the First Amendment: more speech. However helpful that might be, the record shows that warning users of the risks associated with giving their data to a foreign-adversary-controlled application would do nothing to protect nonusers' data.
Forbidding TikTok's domestic operations from sending sensitive data abroad might seem another option. But even if Congress were to impose serious criminal penalties on domestic TikTok employees who violate a data-sharing ban, the record suggests that would do little to deter the PRC from exploiting TikTok to steal Americans' data. See 1 App. 214 (noting threats from "malicious code, backdoor vulnerabilities, surreptitious surveillance, and other problematic activities tied to source code development" in the PRC); 2 App. 702 ("[A]gents of the PRC would not fear monetary or criminal penalties in the United States"). The record also indicates that the "size" and "complexity" of TikTok's "underlying software" may make it impossible for law enforcement to detect violations.
Even setting all these challenges aside, any new compliance regime could raise separate constitutional concerns—for instance, by requiring the government to surveil Americans' data to ensure that it isn't illicitly flowing overseas. Id., at 687 (suggesting that effective enforcement of a data-export ban might involve "direct U. S. government monitoring" of the "flow of U. S. user data").
[5.] Whether this law will succeed in achieving its ends, I do not know. A determined foreign adversary may just seek to replace one lost surveillance application with another. As time passes and threats evolve, less dramatic and more effective solutions may emerge. Even what might happen next to TikTok remains unclear. But the question we face today is not the law's wisdom, only its constitutionality. Given just a handful of days after oral argument to issue an opinion, I cannot profess the kind of certainty I would like to have about the arguments and record before us. All I can say is that, at this time and under these constraints, the problem appears real and the response to it not unconstitutional.
[6.] As persuaded as I am of the wisdom of Justice Brandeis in Whitney and Justice Holmes in Abrams, their cases are not ours. Speaking with and in favor of a foreign adversary is one thing. Allowing a foreign adversary to spy on Americans is another.
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Speaking with and in favor of a foreign adversary is one thing. Allowing a foreign adversary to spy on Americans is another.
Amazing how many commenters here haven't been able to grasp that logic
Hypervigilance in defense of the First Amendment is a good thing.
It's just not always on target.
Pray tell, what harm have you been able to grasp from the nettles? And why is that harm so fine when committed by American companies and the American government and the EU and the EU governments, but not when committed by this specific foreign government? What exactly do Xi and the CCP plan to do -- target Americans with CCP advertising?
I think your defense of the CCP's right to free speech is commendable. The CCP will still have freedom of speech even if and after TikTok is ultimately [goes dark]. I don't see anything here that prohibits the CCP from saying what they want on TikTok or any other social media platform.
Russia Today didn't stop broadcasting because of any law I'm aware of. I believe they ceased operations in the US because of public outrage expressed towards its distributors in the wake of Russia's attempt to completely absorb Ukraine. I think their feed just comes from RT London or something.
I'm glad you answered my questions. That clears up all my confusion.
Well, you were worried about the Chinese Communist Party and the Russians not getting equal treatment, weren't you?
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Hmm, let's see, why would it be worse for the CCP and the Communist Chinese Military and Spy agencies to be able to spy on 170 million Americans, and in many cases all their acquaintances, than for Google to be able to do that?
Gosh, I think that might have something to do with nuclear weapons, blackmail, spying, getting information the CCP will use to kill Americans, etc.
Are you really so completely f*cking stupid you can't grasp that?
Or are you just an enemy of America who wants the CCP to win?
Ding ding ding!
Captain Obvious wants to point out that the First Amendment arguments were always a red herring.
No, the Rosenbergs' right to communicate sensitive data to the Soviet Union was not a First Amendment issue.
And what sensitive data were TikTok users communicating to the CCP and Xi that they couldn't communicate by other means, as the Rosenbergs did?
The analogy of the Rosenbergs wasn't to TikTok users. It was to TikTok itself.
No, TikTok sending sensitive data to the CCP is not a First Amendment issue.
As far as the lack of sensitive data argument is concerned, that mostly seemed to be about well-intentioned First Amendment defenders putting the cart before the horse. They seemed to be arguing that because the data TikTok collects is not sensitive, TikTok's users' free speech rights trump whatever insignificant security concerns.
Tiktok's data is just as much of a security concern as the data the CCP hacked via AT&T and Verizon. There are all sorts of ways the CCP could use that data against us in a conflict between the USA and China. I won't elaborate on how that data was a security threat because it's unnecessary. The First Amendment simply isn't at issue here.
Pretending that giving the CCP a treasure trove of information to use against us in a conflict is okay because we support the First Amendment is as unnecessary as it is wrong on the facts. The Rosenbergs' free speech rights were never at issue, and TikTok does not have the right to communicate sensitive information to the CCP. There was no need to pretend that the nuclear weapons data the Rosenbergs sent to the USSR wasn't sensitive.
And making those kinds of arguments in defense of the First Amendment actually hurts support for the First Amendment in the long run. If we compel people to believe things that aren't true in defense of the First Amendment, we are hurting public support for the First Amendment. No, it is not necessary to pretend that sharing our data with the CCP isn't a security threat. Should we feel that way about the NSA and mass surveillance?
Apparently it's necessary to pretend that sharing consumer data with the chinese government is a security threat, despite no rational explanation given for how it is.
I think I am in agreement with you for once. All Ken says is "I won't elaborate on how that data was a security threat because it's unnecessary."
OMG Ken, if you told us you'd have to kill us! Thank you for sparing my life.
The value of TikTok's data from a strategic perspective is so obvious to me, it definitely seems like people are being obtuse when they insist otherwise--I suppose even if they aren't being willfully obtuse. Especially when we're talking about constitutional law, I wonder, do these people also think it's of no value to the federal government when the NSA tracks our phone calls, text messages, email, etc.? Do they think it's of no value to law enforcement when they track our location data by way of our cell phones?
Should I have believed those that supported such surveillance during the "War on Terror", when they said that these violations of our rights are of no consequence--because the data is of little or no use? No. This data is of significant use, and pretending otherwise does us no good when it's the U.S. government we're worried about, and it's silly to pretend that data is of no use when it's in the hands of the Chinese Communist Party either. In fact, when I defend the free availability of apps like Signal, I am not compelled to pretend that encrypted communications are not valuable resource to terrorists--and I defend the free availability of Signal anyway.
One of the reasons we should believe that the kind of data TikTok collects is that the CCP valued the data AT&T and Verizon collected so much that they hacked them to obtain it. In other words, the CCP is hacking this kind of data in secret what TikTok offers them in broad daylight. Isn't this one of the big reasons why the Supreme Court just "unanimously ruled that the insignificance of the data TikTok collects isn't an argument worth considering? Are you familiar with the term "bothsideism"? Sometimes, both sides are not worth serious consideration.
You should go look up what kinds of data TikTok collects and how it might be useful to a foreign adversary before and during a conflict between China and the United States. The app can track location data. The app can track all the other sites you visit. There are LGBT kids who have been driven to suicide by hackers over threats to expose them to their peers. Has someone in a sensitive security position been hooking up via Ashley Madison? Do their wife and kids know? Did they go to WebMD and search for symptoms of a venereal disease? Has someone in a sensitive security position written something racist or homophobic? Have you read anything about how various state actors use photos and social media for scouting targets, verifying troop movements, etc., in the Ukraine conflict? Did you hear about that balloon Biden watched floating over the United States? Have you heard about all those drones that keep appearing around American military installations.
China is a bad actor. All the evidence suggests that they are preparing for war with the United States. Or do you need that proven beyond a reasonable doubt, too? The fact that we're supplying them with huge troves of information to mine--even while they prepare for war--is grossly incompetent. I'd say that the legitimate purpose of government is to protect our rights. I'd say that the purpose of our foreign policy is to protect our rights from foreign threats, and that protecting our rights from a vicious, aggressive dictator like Emperor Xi is a legitimate exercise of government power. But that really shouldn't be necessary.
It's more than sufficient to say that if you don't see why the data TikTok collects is a security threat when given to an enemy that is preparing to go to war with us, it's probably because you don't want to see the truth. If you don't want to see the truth, it's probably because you think it adversely impacts the First Amendment in some say. It doesn't. The First Amendment doesn't protect the right of TikTok to collect data for our enemies any more than the Second Amendment protect the right to indiscriminately shoot people with a gun.
Almost everything you write above is hysterically untrue, and in any case is not national security information.
Either all nine Supreme Court justices, a majority of both the House and the Senate, and me are all hysterically ridiculous to see TikTok's data collection as a security threat to the United States, or you are being willfully blind to the threat this data poses to American security when shared with the Chinese Communist Party. One of those two things is probably true.
AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon and others weren't hacked by Chinese hackers, David? And they (AT&T, T-Mobile, VZ) didn't have national security info?
In the words of our President: C'mon Man! 🙂
They might well have been hacked by Chinese hackers; that has certainly been alleged. But why on earth are people trying to claim that this has anything to do with TikTok?
That's because anyone with a brain has already figured it out, David.
As I pointed out below.
You build relationship networks. You find out who knows who. You're trying to build a honey trap for someone? That network can be invaluable.
Giving a foreign State access to significant personal information on 170 million Americans, and often all their contacts, even the ones who have NOT signed up for TikTok, is a massive gift and national security danger.
Which you could have figured out, if you ever went through life with your head outside your a$$
"And what sensitive data were TikTok users communicating to the CCP"
They were giving up their contacts lists, which means names, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, pictures, etc. Which means they were giving up person information of people who never signed up for TikTok, and never consented to give the CCP their personal information
Perhaps you are simply too ignorant or stupid to understand the kind of "relationship networks", and what a foreign gov't could do with them, that can be generated from that data.
Happily the rest of us aren't that pathetic
No, I don't think knowing who my teenaged daughter plays soccer with will help China win a war against the United States. Nor do I understand why on earth you think that TikTok is a good way — let alone the best way — for China to get this utterly non-classified information.
"Addresses and phone numbers"? Now you think the White Pages are a matter of national security?
That's because you're an idiot.
If you are a target that the CCP wants to exploit, and you regularly go to your daughter's soccer games, and the CCP can use TikTok to discern these facts, plus what team your daughter is on, they can then send an agent and "family" with a "daughter" to join your daughter's soccer team.
That "daughter" will be a good player who works to make friends with your daughter. Her "dad" will show up at the games and cheer on the team. Within 6 months you two will be hanging out.
Achievement unlocked.
Moron
It certainly was. Why do people confuse, "This is allowed under the 1A" with "This isn't a 1A issue"? There's a compelling government interest in not allowing people to tell national security info to our enemies, and that renders laws against that constitutional.
The Rosenbergs' right to share sensitive nuclear data--in the name of free speech--with an adversary that was out to get us was exactly like the Rosenbergs' right to perjure themselves on the witness stand or their right to defraud someone with their speech. Should the First Amendment be invoked to defend a bank robber who passes a note to a bank teller saying that he has a bomb--and if she doesn't empty the safe, he's going to blow them both sky high? The correct answer is "no".
The First Amendment protects the right to choose your own speech. The First Amendment does not protect using your speech to violate someone's rights. It's the same with the Second Amendment. The Second Amendment protects the right to choose to own a gun. It does not protect the right to use a gun to violate someone's rights. If you choose to use your gun to rob a liquor store, the Second Amendment shouldn't even be mentioned at trial. It's not even relevant.
Oh, and TikTok doesn't have a First Amendment right to share sensitive information with our adversary in Beijing either. The Court unanimously decided that the First Amendment wasn't even relevant in this case--as well they should have.