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How To Think About Justice Jackson "& Juliet"
The role that was created for her, and for no one else, has a value that cannot be stated on a disclosure form.
Being a Supreme Court Justice is a cushy gig. In addition to having immense power, you gain access to opportunities that would have been unthinkable for an inferior court judge. This weekend, Justice Jackson acted out a role in the Broadway Musical & Juliet. To be precise, a speaking role was specifically written for her. Jackson had this to say:
"I think that it means that anything is possible. Five years ago, I was a district court justice; nobody knew who I was. To have both of the pieces of my fondest dreams come true in this little bit of time has been extraordinary for me."
"I'm overwhelmed with the joy of this experience. I'm so grateful to the staff and crew of '& Juliet' for helping my dream come true. It was phenomenal."
On one level, I'm happy for Justice Jackson. It is always rewarding for people to have their dreams come true. If you sense a but is coming, you're right. But I am somewhat uneasy about this unique opportunity.
To be sure, Justices have been invited for distinct honors. Several Justices have thrown out first pitches at baseball games, including Justices Stevens, Alito, and Sotomayor. Justices Scalia and Ginsburg had non-speaking roles in an opera. Justice O'Connor served as the grand marshal of the Rose Bowl parade. The Justices also routinely preside over classical moot courts, that often involve works of Shakespeare. They give commencement addresses. I'm sure there are other examples you can think of. But in each case, the Justices were offered an honorific that was available for other distinguished individuals. None of these roles were one-offs, created just for the Justice.
By contrast, in Justice Jackson's case, the show created a special role just for her, and wrote lines just for her. This was an experience that was not available to anyone else. And I've seen no suggestion that the producers of & Juliet had some sort of pre-existing friendship with Justice Jackson. It is true that Jackson was performing some work, but the show was clearly giving the Junior Justice something of value--indeed something that has no price tag. And this isn't the first time Justice Jackson has received priceless gifts. While concert tickets from Beyonce have a face value, receiving them directly from the artist, and being able to fraternize with celebrities in the Knowles suite, was priceless. And while the clothes provided from Vogue magazine have a price tag, being photographed by Annie Leibovitz is a once-in-a-lifetime experience.
Justice Jackson will surely be able to disclose these gifts, but whatever dollar amount she lists will not even come close to signifying the true value. How do you quantify a "dream come true"? And why are these strangers to Justice Jackson feting her with these gifts? Because she will rule on cases the right way. Make no mistake about that. Justice Jackson is celebrated as a cultural icon. And Justice Thomas barely gets a mention at the Smithsonian African-American Museum. If Justice Jackson pulled a reverse-Souter tomorrow, and became an arch-conservative, these opportunities would dry up quickly.
Speaking of Justice Thomas, by now, some detractors are screaming, What about Harlan Crow? Sure, let's play that game. Justice Thomas accepted certain travel from his actual friends, and did so when those trips were permitted by the rules. Those rules have since changed, and Thomas will now abide by those rules. Pro Publica and other outlets spent untold resources to track every destination Justice Thomas visited. And the Justice's good name has been dragged through the mud. What about Justice Jackson? She gets a standing ovation and yet another puff piece on CBS News. And silence from the so-called "watch dogs."
WHAT? Supreme Court Justice Kentanji Brown Jackson heads to Broadway to star in a queer 'Romeo and Juliet' play.pic.twitter.com/bNqG0fuBKF
— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) December 16, 2024
One final note. During Justice Jackson's confirmation hearing, Senator Blackburn asked her to define the word "woman." Justice Jackson feigned confusion, and said she was not a biologist. We all knew the point of the question, and Jackson had no interest in engaging in it. Two years later, Justice Jackson showed some expertise about gender identity issues during oral argument in Skrmetti. Go figure!
For those who haven't seen & Juliet, the show created a dustup. The New York Times reported in 2023:
A principal performer in the new Broadway musical "& Juliet" has withdrawn from consideration for the Tony Awards rather than compete in a gendered category, shining a renewed spotlight on the question of whether major awards should continue to have separate categories for men and women.
The performer, Justin David Sullivan, is trans nonbinary and uses the pronouns he, she and they. In the pop-song-fueled musical, which imagines an alternative to "Romeo and Juliet" in which Juliet does not die, Sullivan plays May, one of Juliet's best friends. May — an adolescent, like Juliet — is still figuring things out.
Does Justice Jackson's participation in & Juliet, of all plays, cast any doubt on her participation in Skrmetti? Readers may recall that before Obergefell was decided, Justice Ginsburg officiated over John Roberts's same-sex marriage. (Yes, that was actually one of the groom's names.) Did anyone think that Justice Ginsburg's vote in Obergefell was not pre-ordained?
Justice Jackson should be grateful the Supreme Court lacks an enforceable ethics code.
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There will be no criticisms about this obvious graft and show of partisanship from the usual suspects .
She's (D)ifferent, of course.
“Obvious Graft.”
It’s a fucking musical you dork ass loser
No, her performance is a fucking embarrassment. I don't think a justice can be removed for bad singing and dancing but this travesty hints at some sort of behavioral disorder, aside from obvious ethical implications.
And, as an aside, I did not know she was so short. Why are all leftist ideologues so damn small?
“but this travesty hints at some sort of behavioral disorder.”
I am confident you have no actual friends.
I have no ass-hole troll friends because well, they're ass-holes. And, I concede, I also have no diminutive singing leftist judge friends. But if I did, I would tell them honestly when they can't sing or dance, and are skirting ethical constraints by seeming to endorse certain agendas by their actions, and getting some nice freebies while they're at it.
You think singing in a musical is evidence of a behavioral disorder. People who think like that have no actual friends because they’re obvious anti-social misanthropes.
Whatever is displayed on that video clip is evidence of a behavioral disorder laced with ethical concerns. And any friends should have intervened before this public embarrassment was displayed. Too late now.
What you write is more evidence of being an asshole troll, if any was necessary.
Whatever is displayed on that video clip is evidence of a behavioral disorder.
How? Seriously explain how a former theater kid having a cameo in a theater production as an adult is evidence of a behavioral disorder.
And to the extent you come up with an explanation, can you come up with one that you would be willing to explain to people out loud and in public in such a way that doesn’t come off as ridiculously unhinged?
Have you seen the video? Someone who is oblivious to the reality that they're delivering a performance that makes Robert Goulet in Red Ships of Spain actually look good in comparison needs some serious counseling. Actually, I'd say don't quit your day job but since she embarrasses herself even more on the bench by comparing a ban on interracial marriage to a law preventing disturbed minors from cutting off their genitalia, Broadway deserves her.
That’s what I thought. Now read that out loud to a casual acquaintance and report back.
Wit is wasted on fools. And a-hole trolls.
But you can suspect something and something else confirms it. Not everybody has the gift of seeing things and of explaining what they see. And oddly that too applies to Ketanji , one of the dumbest Justices of my lifetime.
It doesn't even have any actual body parts; we've already established it's a bot. You'll notice that it didn't come up with this mentally ill idea that there are ethical issues here — but as soon as that notion appeared online, it started generating content about that.
Just curious crazy Dave, how tall are you and do you also think you can sing and dance? There may be an a-hole troll musical you and your little buddies could star in.
There have been many times, Professor, that I've read your posts and thought to myself: "This is a malcontented, second-rate lawyer who spends way too much time whining about others' good fortune while feeling sorry for himself because he'll never rise any further in the legal community than the South Texas College of Law." Your absurd and mean-spirited comments about Justice Jackson tell us everything we need to know about you. Whether you admit it or not, there is simply no comparison between Justice Jackson's very open and public acceptance of an opportunity to fulfill a dream and the sleazy, unethical behavior of your favorite grifters, Thomas and Alito. Get a life, Professor. Your infantile jealousy is not attractive and is certainly not enhancing your reputation.
I've been predicting that Josh is expecting, and may actually get, a federal judgeship appointment, because he's so damn loyal and unqualified. But I now I think he's left such a huge deposit of petty incompetence in this blog, that he may have trouble. His mouth may have gotten in the way of his dream
Maybe we'll get lucky and Trump will appoint him as a district judge in some place like Fairbanks, Alaska, where we'll never hear from him or see him again.
Surprise !! You show the very behavior you are criticizing. Thomas and Alito do know what a woman is, eg. You don't know law or you would not try that tack that you are told to avoid in your first months of court experience: Don't argue for that sweet smell of one pound of horseshit by entering two pounds of horseshit into evidence
I never thought I'd sympathize with Justice "Dictionary" Jackson.
But criticizing her for her Broadway career seems mean-spirited. Go and appear in more musicals, Madame Justice, and I for one won't mind.
Just don't make me watch something called "& Juliet."
PS - When I want to know how to think, I don't consult Prof. Blackman. Sorry.
UPDATE: This sounds like the right musical for Justice Jackson, where the actor playing a main character doesn't know what a woman is.
Agreed that this is an absolute nothing burger. Seriously who cares
No.
Skrmetti is still going to win 6-3.
It should be 9-0. Its inane that banning a medical procedure that has such a high level of negative medical outcomes would even be controversial. Requires a huge distortion of the medical evidence to think otherwise.
Britain banned it for a reason.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ban-on-puberty-blockers-to-be-made-indefinite-on-experts-advice
We're all shocked you think differing opinions are illegitimate.
Like, I tend to agree the ban is constitutional, but I'm not going to call the other side insane about it.
Nor am I going to link to a UK policy document as a determiner of US constitutional law.
yes - the "other side" is inane.
It takes a serious level of idiocy to believe the fad medical treatment advocated by WPATH results in positive medical outcomes.
Appeal to anger rather than making an argument.
Are you somehow getting lazier?
As I said - it takes a real idiot to believe fad medical treatment advocated by WPATH results in positive medical outcomes.
You are definitely proving that you are that idiot.
I provided you with a fact based citation - you are the one too lazy to understand the subject matter.
FFS I probably agree with you as to what the good policy is. But you haven't even made the policy argument, much less anything to support your 'only an idiot thinks there could be positive medical outcomes' nonsense.
I read your citation. It's a policy document. It does a pretty good job as a policy document...less so as a scientific document (which it doesn't pretend to be).
You don't seem to have read it yourself, since you're just waving it around like a talisman.
Gas0
there is plenty of publically available information on the subject. There very little dispute that the treatment results in bad medical outcomes. The only dispute is coming from the activists and from those who make a decision to remain uninformed and chose to be woke.
Awesome.
A citation to 'plenty of publically available information.'
There very little dispute that the treatment results in bad medical outcomes. The only dispute is coming from the activists and from those who make a decision to remain uninformed and chose to be woke.
They call this overdetermined. Everyone agrees, and anyone who doesn't doesn't count?
What a silly attempt you made, without doing any work - you haven't come close to articulating a legal argument, you are so busy sputtering at the idiots regarding medical outcomes.
So here you are coming at Supreme Court justices, and judges, and scientists, and policymakers all as idiots. But without bothering with substance.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2789423
Did you even bother understanding the study?
Of course not -
its states up front that they are suffering with mental health issues.
That is correct - MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.
Medical treatment that results in bad medical outcomes is never going to cure the mental health issues. the stablization of the mental health is due to the drugs and mental health treatment, not from the medical treatment which causes permanent long term damage.
No amount of angry question begging will make it look like you know what you're talking about. The study is about treatment for mental health issues driven by gender dysphoria, which is the whole bag here.
A single study doesn't say much, and there are studies that go the other way. And really good longitudinal studies are still a ways off (as the UK doc you linked but didn't read notes!).
Permanent damage is a separate set of studies going every which way. Not that that'll stop you from acting like it's super duper true.
But I'm casting pearls before swine. You don't know how to read a study, you don't even seem to understand the basics of the issue here.
Gas0 - comment "Permanent damage is a separate set of studies going every which way. "
Gas0 - The only thing in dispute is the amount of permanent damage, not whether there is or not permanent damage. The only studies claiming no long term damage are the agenda driven studies. Medical science is not in its infancy.
The only thing in dispute is the amount of permanent damage
Says who?
The only studies claiming no long term damage are the agenda driven studies
Overdetermined. Again.
I sometimes wonder how you function in the world at large, deciding what's true based on what you want and then declaring all who disagree to be fools and trolls.
I get that will keep you angry all the time, which absolutely checks out with your posting style.
But your utter refusal to take in any input that could challenge you...how have you not died yet from like CO poisoning, deciding those detectors are just a troll from the idiots at Big Monoxide?
No. The Cass study found 1) there isn't enough data to draw broad conclusions, 2) some kids will be harmed by puberty blockers or hormones and 3) some will be helped.
It won't be 9-0 because the three liberals will vote that intermediate scrutiny applies and remand the case back to the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals which previously held rational-basis review applies. Seems right to me, although I would not object to a holding that intermediate scrutiny applies and the law nonetheless survives without requiring a remand.
I would not object to a holding that intermediate scrutiny applies and the law nonetheless survives without requiring a remand.
This is basically where I am.
Bold predicition: that won't happen.
Instead, I expect the majority to assume only for the sake of argument that intermediate scrutiny applies (setting no precedent) and uphold the law. Alito and Thomas will write separately that rational-basis review applies.
Alternatively, the majority might agree with Judge Sutton and hold that rational-basis review applies but confine the conclusion to instances where the regulation incidentally applies to only one sex (e.g., pregnancy regulations). I don't find that analysis presuasive for the reasons given by Prelogar during her exchange with Alito during oral arguments. But, iat least it might not apply to other laws which discriminate on the basis of gender identity.
I'm going to go pretty basic. Only Gorsuch is into gender classification as applies to trans, and I don't think the conservatives are into stare enough to switch their previous POVs.
So I think you have 5 for rational basis. Gorsuch concurring in the result via the intermediate scrutiny. And the liberals all lining up for intermediate doesn't pass it.
My only hotish take is there might be some kinda performative concurrence from Alito w/ Thomas about trans is horrific.
Roberts joined the Bostock majoirty. He has some 'splaining to do if he holds rational-basis review appplies. Barrett was not yet on the Court.
But again, Bostock wasn't a constitutional case; it was a question of statutory interpretation.
Of course that is true (to Sarcastr0: the Court did not address the EPC in Bostock). But, there still needs to be an explanation beyond "they are different" for why that distinction matters and how to apply it to this case.
Shoulda remembered the Chief was swingin' . Or even better, it would have been the work of moments to look it up.
And I must concede I don't a priori know how Barrett would go on the scrutiny issue, even if I am pretty comfortable predicting the outcome. (But I got Bostock flat wrong back in the day, so...I shan't quit my day job).
Didn't the Court find Title VII coterminous with EPC? Or am I thinking of another part of the CRAs?
Bostock was a perverted opinion dressed up on Finnis' new Natural Law Theory. Where was mean stupid Joe Biden when you need him? He attacked Clarence Thomas over Natural Law. (Biden: Botton 10 of his law school class --- Syracuse no less)
Also does he think association with trans people means that the justice has to recuse? Because that’s sure as hell what it sounds like.
I recall a black federal judge in Alabama faced with a recusal motion in a civil rights case with a black plaintiff because he represented plaintiffs in civil rights cases when he was in private practice. Apparently, the motion was meant seriously. It was ultimately treated as seriously as it deserved to be.
There was the judge on the Prop 8 case out of California who some people argued had to recuse simply because he was gay.
"There was the judge on the Prop 8 case out of California who some people argued had to recuse simply because he was gay."
"Some people" indeed argued that, but the Defendant-Intervenors who litigated in support of Proposition Hate did not raise any issue concerning Judge Walker's orientation until after he had ruled on the merits. Courts frown on holding back recusal issues as an "ace in the hole" in the event of an unfavorable ruling.
Indeed. But also, that would not be sufficient grounds for recusal in any event. (I was not endorsing their arguments; I was merely reminded of it by CJC's comment.)
Sometimes gifts within a family have a consideration of "one dollar plus love and affection" for legal purposes. She can put that on her form.
What should Mayor Wu of Boston put on her disclosure forms? She played piano with the Boston pops. Either competently or the liberal media were afraid to criticize her. I didn't watch.
The best performing artist in public office I can think of was Senator Harry Byrd of West Virginia, who was a bluegrass fiddler. You can see him on YouTube. He was very good.
Honorable mention to Bill Clinton’s skillful saxophone break on the Arsenio Hall show. Barbara Walters and Tom Wicker made asses of themselves by saying it was undignified for a candidate for President to play rock n roll. They were wrong.
He redemption tour after the 1988 convention wasn't dignified. It was effective.
It was a long boring speech — the biggest cheer he got was when he said, “In conclusion . . .”
His comeback was gritty in the face of the media’s cultural prejudice against poor southerners and the persistent “Arkansas Project” hit project that was paid way too much attention. They made fun not only if his rock n roll but of his appearing on MTV on a “town hall” show. When he said “God bless you” to the young man with AIDS he probably lost a million votes. It was the media that was being undignified — they were the ones asking questions about Gennifer Flowers while the citizens at town halls were asking about the recession and the Rodney King riots.
"When he said “God bless you” to the young man with AIDS he probably lost a million votes."
Hmmm...I think I'd like a citation on that one.
The MTV town hall is on youtube.
Given the anti-AIDS rhetoric of the Pat Robertson-influenced GOP at the time, and the many independents who hadn't glommed onto the Party yet, it's my estimate and I think it's a fair one. We forget now how much gay-acceptance (and AIDS victim acceptance) and all sorts of cultural "depravities" were being linked to Clinton.
Not a big fan of Sonny Bono, I guess.
Bono was a performing artist who parlayed his fame into a political career. There are others (better artists than him) who did the same thing.
I'm talking about politicians who did music as a sideline.
Which Bono?
Congressman Sonny Bono of course.
Thankfully Cher never took the plunge.
"best performing artist in public office" - no take-backsies.
Senator Fred Thompson on Law and ORder ?
"The best performing artist in public office I can think of was Senator Harry Byrd of West Virginia, who was a bluegrass fiddler."
I surmise that you mean Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia. There were two Senators Hary Byrd (father and son) of Virginia.
From Wikipedia article on Jimmie Davis:
"James Houston Davis (September 11, 1899 – November 5, 2000) was an American singer, songwriter, and politician. After achieving fame for releasing both sacred and popular songs, Davis served as governor of Louisiana from 1944 to 1948 and again from 1960 to 1964. As Governor, he was an opponent of efforts to desegregate Louisiana."
You may remember him for his song, "You Are My Sunshine."
Also from Wikipedia:
"Ignacy Jan Paderewski (Polish: [iɡˈnatsɨ ˈjan padɛˈrɛfskʲi] ⓘ; 18 November [O.S. 6 November] 1860 – 29 June 1941) was a Polish pianist, composer and statesman who was a spokesman for Polish independence. In 1919, he was the nation's prime minister and foreign minister during which time he signed the Treaty of Versailles, which ended World War I."
JB is taking things so much to 11 that even those sympathetic with his overall message [tossing petty potshots along the way] find him tiresome. Not just Orin Kerr on social media.
Prof. Kate Shaw on the Strict Scrutiny Podcast recommended the musical. Whenever I see a commercial for it, it looks catchy.
Just when you think Josh can't make himself look any smaller....
The utter lack of self-regard to decide to post this kinda petty cringe...
There must be some moments, maybe while shaving or doing the laundry, when Josh experiences a twinge or two of self-awareness.
That's gotta be a rough few moments.
Never stopped you.
I like how this idiot tries to make Thomas's years of unreported and sizable gifts seem less concerning than Jackson's public performance.
I like how he lies about the gifts by pretending they were limited to travel — which they were not — and talks about them being "permitted" while ignoring Thomas's failure to disclose them.
33 years on the Court and that only conveniently came up when it suited some Congressional folks. Think about it
An interesting defence.
Possibly, of course, Thomas just took a while to get the grift going.
“Does Justice Jackson's participation in & Juliet, of all plays, cast any doubt on her participation in Skrmetti?”
NO YOU FUCKING DIPSHIT.
Hanging out with trans people isn’t a fucking ethical issue you utter hack.
How the fuck did you manage to graduate law school with these opinions on professional responsibility.
I frankly don’t see how this is more of a problem than luxury vacations catering to a justice’s specific preferences.
I suspect famous people playing cameo roles as themselves are not so uncommon in the arts and entertainment world. And Justices have become more public and seen more as potential celebrities than they used to be. I just don’t see how accepting a cameo role like this is somehow less ethical than things like luxury vacations. And I’m also not so sure that just because someone Professor Blackman politically opposes does it, it’s really all that different from when someone he politically favors does it, when you can count on him to defend it.
Some judges I’ve been in front of would be very convincing as a Hollywood idea of a judge. Almost necessarily, that means that as real life judges they’re not very good.
On Justice Jackson's feigning ignorance w/r/t definition of woman, Blackman writes:
"We all knew the point of the question, and Jackson had no interest in engaging in it."
This reminds me of a meme that's gone around recently on Facebook (I have reworked it a little, because I do not remember the precise wording of the meme):
'It is 1942 and you live in Germany. Suppose you are hiding a Jew in your attic, and a Nazi comes to your door and asks "Are you are hiding any Jews?" (in German, of course.) If you answer "No," are you lying?'
If you answer "no," the meme continues, you are not lying, because the question is not actually "Are you hiding any Jews," it is actually "May I kill the Jews you are hiding?"
When you understand the point of a question--as here--sometimes the answer is not the obvious one.
Supreme Court justices should not be pop culture icons. Presiding at moot courts, giving speeches to legal-related crowds, and making commencement addresses are fine. Don't throw out the first pitch, don't show up on a Broadway stage, and certainly don't appropriate a rap epithet and show up on posters, Funko Pops, and other memorabilia. Show respect for the dignity of your office.
If I were a judge — which I will never be, because I have been posting under my own name on the Internet for about 35 years now — and I were offered the opportunity to throw out a first pitch, I would be there before the ink had dried on the email making the offer. (I have no idea what you think that has to do with the "dignity of [one's] office." Since when is that undignified?)
Yeah I think the issue is that this is the theater kid equivalent of throwing a first pitch or and narrow minded people can’t comprehend that.
There are a lot of silly things I would probably do for free if I was a Justice. You bet your ass I would be cameo-ing in a Star Trek series or movie if they wanted me to!
There was an actor named Abraham Sofaer. There was also a federal judge by the same name. I don't think they were related, but their careers overlapped if I recall correctly. It would have been a hoot to see them together in a movie.
He played Charlie X's "father" on an early Star Trek episode. That actor would have made an imposing judge.
Dignity? As exemplified by those paragons of ethical conduct, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito? Is that what we should be striving for?
Is this where JB has finally jumped the shark?
If he starts quoting Ted McGinley or if Ted McGinley pops up in general, might be a red flag.
Or Cousin Oliver .... or Poochy
Justice Thomas secretly accepts millions in gifts without disclosing them to the public: totally cool because, at least according to Prof. Blackman, the rules allowed for it at the time.
Justice Jackson publicly accepts a small role in a Broadway production: omg did you know an actor that *used* to star in that production openly questioned the gender binary??? How can Justice Jackson ever be trusted to opine on matters related to gender now??? *This* is the true ethics scandal.
Justice Clarence Toady figured out that the rules don't apply to him when for several years he omitted his wife's income from his financial disclosure forms. He should have been prosecuted for those false filings.
In law school somebody says " You think certain tax deductions should not exist, but if you use them you save tens of thousands. Does you view on the existence mean you are hypocrite if you use them?" OF COURSE NOT
If my life were in danger and I was saved by an abortionist, abortion would still be taking an innocent life.
"How To Think"
Blackman, you're a self-serving dipshit partisan with no sense of morality or credibility.
You're the last person who should be telling anyone "how to think."
Only a quarter-ass President could have been impressed with such a half-ass Justice. She is beyond stupid, not quite in Kamala-land but approaching.