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French Court Finds Writer "Guilty of Denying the 1994 Rwandan Genocide"
I've long opposed Holocaust denial bans, partly because of the slippery slope / censorship envy problem: Unsurprisingly, such bans tend to lead to broader policing of historical claims, such as the French fine imposed on noted historian Bernard Lewis for his views on the Armenian genocide. N.Y. Times (Adam Nossiter) reports the latest:
The French-Cameroonian writer, Charles Onana, author of "Rwanda, the Truth about Operation Turquoise — When the Archives Speak," and the publisher, Damien Serieyx, were fined nearly $15,000 and ordered to pay more than $11,000 to three human rights group that had sued them.
Mr. Onana, who could not be immediately reached for comment, and his publisher have appealed.
The court on Monday found Mr. Onana and the publisher guilty for their "public challenge to the existence of a crime against humanity." In his book, Mr. Onana denied there had been a genocide and denied France's responsibility.
The court cited some 19 passages it said violated French law making it illegal to deny a genocide that has been officially recognized by France or international jurisdictions. Notably, Mr. Onana wrote that the "conspiracy theory of a Hutu regime that planned a 'genocide' in Rwanda constitutes one of the biggest scams of the 20th century." …
Mr. Onana, for his part, maintained in his book that there was killing on both sides, by Tutsis and Hutus, but that there was no genocide. "Certainly, Tutsis were massacred, targeted, but they were not the only ones," he wrote. In his introduction, he wrote that he was "above all trying to make a break with 'official history.'"
The French have their free speech rules, and we have ours; but incidents like this remind me why I like ours better. Claims about broad historical topics should be resolved, I think, through debate among historians, not by legislatures or courts. Among other things, when people are free to publicly disagree with the consensus of experts (historians, scientists, and more) but the consensus continues to withstand such challenges, we non-experts have some basis for confidence in that enduring consensus. But when some public disagreement becomes illegal, and the debate is therefore truncated, how can we know that any consensus after that point is trustworthy?
I appreciate that one premise of the holocaust denial laws might be that the governmental validation of a particular historical position should lead us to trust that view more, because we trust the government. But I don't think governments are particularly trustworthy on such matters.
Here, by the way, is my 2002 post about the Bernard Lewis incident; note that Lewis was a much more prominent historian than Onana, and yet even he could be punished for his historical claims:
Several years ago, prominent historian Bernard Lewis was sued in France for his comments (made in a Le Monde interview) on the Turkish killing of Armenians during World War I; he stressed that the killing happened, but argued that—unlike with the Holocaust during World War II—it was not part of a deliberate campaign of extermination by the Turks. Various plaintiffs, including the French Forum of Armenian Associations and the International League Against Racism and Antisemitism sued, claiming that his speech violated French prohibitions on the historical denial of genocide; and they won.
The invaluable research librarians at UCLA Law School have gotten me an English translation of a French court's decision, and it is as troubling as press accounts described it to be. (Note that I'm not yet sure of the source of the translation, but I found it on a site that appears to be harshly critical of Bernard Lewis, so I doubt that the translation is incorrectly Lewis-friendly.)
Though the court didn't find that Lewis made any false statements, it concluded that Lewis didn't give a balanced presentation (and this in a necessarily brief newspaper interview, not an academic work)—under this standard, even the most responsible historians could be vulnerable, especially if they are tried before courts that are hostile to their viewpoints. And though Lewis lost only 14,000 Francs, I suspect that the potential damages for future cases would be considerably greater. Here's what seems to me to be the court's key language, though you should just read the entire decision (it's not long and not very legalese) yourselves:
Whereas, even if it is in no way established that he pursued an objective foreign to his role as historian, and even if it is not disputable that he may maintain an opinion on this question different from those of the petitioning associations, the fact remains that it was by concealing information contrary to his thesis that the defendant was able to assert that there was no "serious proof" of the Armenian genocide; consequently, he failed in his duties of objectivity and prudence by offering unqualified opinions on such a sensitive subject; and his remarks, which could unfairly rekindle the pain of the Armenian community, are tortious and justify compensation under the terms set forth hereafter.
(Note again that the Lewis statement about the lack of serious proof of the genocide referred to the supposed "lack of serious proof … of a decision and plan of the Ottoman government for extermination of the Armenian nation"; Lewis acknowledged "that the Armenians' suffering [was] a terrible human tragedy," and that many Armenians died as a result of the deportation.)
Now I say all this not because I feel competent to tell the French how to run their legal system. They've got their laws and we've got ours, and while I think I prefer ours, I don't know enough about French culture, society, or legal system to be highly confident about what works best for them.
But I repeatedly hear, mostly from law professors but also from others, calls for adapting American free speech law—and American constitutional law more broadly—to fit the European mold. America is the only Western country, the argument runs, that's so insensitive to the plight of victims, or so hospitable to racists and other bigots, or just so downright goofy in its First Amendment zealotry that it fails to punish Clearly Harmful And Valueless Speech such as Holocaust denial or racist advocacy or what have you.
The trouble with these sorts of speech restrictions, though, is that narrow, reasonable-seeming constraints—after all, what harm will it do if we suppress Nazis or anti-Semitic Holocaust deniers?—end up growing and growing. It might be censorship envy, or the influence of precedent, or a desire for equality, but what the ACLU and other "extremists" say tends to be true: You start by suppressing Communists, and then you get to Communist sympathizers, and then to fellow travelers, and then to liberals. You start by suppressing racial or sexual slurs, and then you get to hard-core pornography in the workplace, and from there to supposedly bigoted political advocacy, sexually themed humor, classical art, or religious proselytizing. And you start by going after Holocaust denial and soon enough you punish respected historians for supposedly not providing a balanced presentation—balanced, that is, in the eyes of the judge.
Cases like the one I describe provide a useful example of what happens when one tries to take a more "reasonable", less "extreme" view of free speech. And from what I've seen, it seems to me that we shouldn't be too quick to jettison our First Amendment tradition, for all its flaws, in favor of the supposedly more internationally approved, interest-balancing, and sensitive European model.
Thanks to the Media Law Resource Center (MLRC) MediaLawDaily for the pointer.
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Looking to find what he really wrote I found recent reporting by Le Monde:
There are two statements in there. First, the massacres in Rwanda are not like the Holocaust. Second, the conspiracy theory accusation quoted in English translation above.
The Holocaust was unique in that the Nazis kept detailed records.
I'm not sure if that makes it worse or not, but it clearly establishes that it wasn't something like what happened at My Lai. The Colonel in the helicopter wound up transferred to an "Indian Defense Fort" somewhere in the US West. Circa 1970 -- his career was over...
Hugh Thompson, the helicopter pilot credited with saving hundreds of lives at Mỹ Lai, was a warrant officer (below the rank of lieutenant) at the time and received a DFC as part of the cover-up. After his testimony, he served out his term in Vietnam and was sent to Fort Rucker — the Fort Rucker in Alabama, not the one you are thinking of in Arizona, which was abandoned in 1890 — as an instructor, where he rose through the ranks and retired as a major in 1983. He received a Soldier’s Medal, the highest medal a service member can receive for gallantry not involving contact with the enemy, in 1998 and died of cancer in 2006, at the age of 62.
Major Thompson suffered severely for his heroism — he was condemned by politicians and was hounded with threatening phone calls — but he had the distinguished career in the military that he deserved.
So does Alan Dershowitz. He criticized "several European governments [that] have made Holocaust denial a crime." As Mr. Dershowitz sees it, "history [does not] need laws to confirm that the Holocaust occurred."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/poland-seeks-to-censor-history-1517876380
I'd rather have people be free to spout idiocy of all forms so I can know who to avoid. If they have to keep it bottled up I'm never quite sure.
The thing that bothers me most about this is that this is (as best I can see) a criminal prosecution by the state with the protections afforded a criminal defendant, and the fines going to the state.
Instead, it appears that private groups can bring civil suits and then personally gain from winning them. That's inherently wrong.
The larger issue here is that Galileo Galilei was actually right, even if it did offend the Catholic Church. What happened in Rwandan was clearly wrong, but at least some of the blame goes to Clinton and the EU who couldn't agree what color the tanks they could send in would be painted.
but at least some of the blame goes to Clinton and the EU who couldn't agree what color the tanks they could send in would be painted.
I love how the US is always at fault whether it does or does not intervene in this sort of thing. This is a mess of their own making, if the locals want to kill each other it's not necessarily in the US's national interest to get involved.
The sanctioned writer should have asked Zola. One can't question official determinations in France.
Indeed.
I'd like to preemptively address the potential counter-argument that, in the case of Zola, he was defending a vulnerable minority (in the person of Dreyfus), while someone denying the Holocaust (or the Rwandan Genocide) does the opposite, so it's OK to shut them up.
"[O]nly in defending the right to speak freely do we defend the disempowered. Jews know what it means to be silenced and must become the bulwark against a culture of censoriousness and censorship. Jews must defend the right to say the most distasteful, abhorrent, and even antisemitic things — while at the same time making the most persuasive arguments against those views."
https://sapirjournal.org/social-justice/2021/05/critical-race-theory-and-the-hyper-white-jew/
I think this is wrong. And though I think the citizens of France, the UK, and other places should fix this, there's nothing I can do.
But, I'm very concerned about these governments coming after people in other countries for their speech. For example:
"In an Aug. 7 (2024) interview, Metropolitan Police Commissioner Mark Rowley suggested police are also looking at online speech outside of the U.K.
“We will throw the full force of the law at people,” Rowley said. “And whether you’re in this country committing crimes on the streets or committing crimes from further afield online, we will come after you.”
So, you post something online from here, and when you set foot in the U.K. you're placed under arrest?
I would like a strong statement from the U.S. government against this, and an assurance that U.S. residents will be protected from it.
"I'm very concerned about these governments coming after people in other countries for their speech."
"So, you post something online from here, and *when you set foot in the U.K.* you're placed under arrest?"
Coming after?
In the United States the incoming administration is threatening to prosecute folks simply for denying Donald Trump's shtick that he won the 2020 election.
No federal statute defines that as a criminal offense, but that will not stop Trump, Pam Blondie and Kash (Enemies List) Patel from pushing for indictments.
Fake news. No such threats.
OK, I'll bite. How would one "prosecute folks simply for denying Donald Trump's shtick that he won the 2020 election."?
There is no lawful way to do that. But Donald Trump has declared his intention to nominate high law enforcement officials to whom that absence of lawful authority doesn't matter.
How does one do it in the absence of lawful authority
not guilty said:
"...threatening to prosecute folks simply for denying Donald Trump's shtick that he won the 2020 election."
Please. This sounds like total B.S. to me. In case it isn't can you supply a citation, a direct quote, a video, perhaps?
Here's Pam (bottle) Blondie: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tbe2oL7Q2KQ
As to Kash Patel: https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/who-is-on-kash-patel-s-random-enemies-list/ar-AA1vdGpX?ocid=BingNewsSerp
O.K., I went to both links. NOWHERE is it said that Trump will prosecute folks simply for denying Donald Trump won the 2020 election.
So, you're full of it. You made that up.
What I have heard is that J6 committee members might be prosecuted for destroying records, for example. But I haven't ever heard that folks would be prosecuted for denying anything, which you couldn't do, anyway. Pam Bondi is not Alvin Bragg, after all; she's not going to make up laws and crimes and prosecute people for them.
What I said is a fair inference from what Trump supporters have said. I never claimed to be quoting anyone directly.
In Patel's list, what is the common thread among the figures from the first Trump Administration? It is that they refused to support Trump's bogus claim of having won the 2020 election.
Pam Blondie is herself an election denier. She joined Rudy Giuliani in the Pennsylvania shenanigans that got Giuliani disbarred. Her threat to prosecute prosecutors and investigate investigators should be considered in that context.
If members of the January 6 committee destroyed records -- and there is no evidence that they did -- criminal prosecution would be barred by the Speech or Debate clause of the Constitution.
Team Trump is making shit up as they go along.
So, yes, you've confirmed what I said, that you made that up. And, no, it's not a fair inference, and it's deceptive in that you stated it as if it was a fact. You said "...the incoming administration is threatening...." No, they are not.
For what it's worth, many, many people suspect or believe that the 2020 election was stolen. It's not some whacky theory, there's plenty out there to support it. I know I won't ever sway or convince you, and you've probably written me off; but, that's the way it is.
"The now-defunct House Select Committee on Jan. 6 destroyed more than 100 encrypted files from its 2021 investigation before Republicans took over the chamber, House investigators say.
Rep. Barry Loudermilk, the Georgia Republican leading the House Administration Committee’s oversight investigation, said his computer forensic investigators discovered 117 files deleted by the Jan. 6 committee.
He is demanding former leaders of the Jan. 6 committee hand over passwords to the encrypted files."
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jan/23/democrats-jan-6-committee-accused-of-deleting-over/
The article you link to is hidden behind a paywall, so I have no idea whether it does or does not support your claims.
I do note, however, that you identify no federal criminal statute which prohibits a member of Congress from deleting computer files in possession of a Congressional committee. Inquiry into such a matter, whether criminal or civil, would run afoul of the Speech or Debate clause of Art. I, § 6, cl. 1, of the Constitution:
There's no paywall, I don't subscribe. No matter, I quoted the important part.
You still identify no federal criminal statute which prohibits a member of Congress from deleting computer files in possession of a Congressional committee.
The central role of the Speech or Debate privilege is to prevent intimidation of legislators by the Executive and accountability before a possibly hostile judiciary. Eastland v. United States Servicemen's Fund, 421 U.S. 491, 502 (1975). The "predominant thrust" of the clause is to forestall retaliatory criminal charges against critical legislators. Miller v. Transamerican Press, Inc., 709 F.2d 524, 528 (9th Cir. 1983), citing United States v. Johnson, 383 U.S. 169, 180-82 (1966).
Is deleting files speech or debate?
Hell, Trump ranted that Ann Selzer should be prosecuted for putting out a poll result he didn't like.
And in addition to Patel putting out an enemies list, he said last year
https://fox59.com/news/national-world/could-kash-patel-actually-prosecute-journalists/
"I appreciate that one premise of the holocaust denial laws might be that the governmental validation of a particular historical position should lead us to trust that view more, because we trust the government"
Or we trust the people who experienced WWII, who knew Nazis and fought them on the battlefield. People who saw the camps contemporaneously and looked at the visceral horrors in person. Seems like their opinions should count. But the opinion of a man who - generations later - lives comfortably in a nation they secured for him is also a thing that we just read.
"Claims about broad historical topics should be resolved, I think, through debate among historians, not by legislatures or courts."
And you get The 1619 Project.
"The French have their free speech rules, and we have ours;"
We have it, they don't.
Really? They have a hate speech exception, but we have an obscenity one.
I've often wonder what it's like to migrate to Europe from a part of the world where you're not allowed to say the holocaust did happen, only to be told that in Europe, you're not allowed to say that it didn't.
I can't imagine that that engenders much confidence in either version of history.
The obvious conclusion would be that the common accounts of the Jewish holocaust are exaggerated, and the people in power do not want that pointed out.
Or that deniers often start with claims of exaggeration.
Of all writers (and I have read deeply for decades) chroniclers and historians are the lying-est. Lincoln was the worst President until he was the best. Paul Johnson routinely shows the fickleness of historians in detail. So, now we ADD to the lies. Okay, what is the defintion of 'genocide' ? Is it a crime to be misinformed? What is the point of a book on a great subject if only minor caveats can be legal?
More nonsense, it is a form of book-banning that liberals LOVE
Under this view of things , the 1619 Project team should be on a chain gang, a result I would love but not support
Howard Zinn should get multiple life sentences