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Trump's Plans to Coerce Sanctuary Cities Likely to Run Afoul of the Constitution - Again
The incoming administration's plans to use withhholding of federal funds to pressure sanctuary cities are reminiscent of ones that werre invalidated by courts during Trump's first administration.

Media reports indicate the incoming Trump administration plans to try to pressure sanctuary cities by withholding federal funds unless they agree to help the federal government deport undocumented immigrants. If the new administration tries to do this, it might reprise legal battles that occurred during Trump's previous term in office. At that time, the administration tried to pressure sanctuary cities by denying them a variety of law enforcement and other grants allocated by Congress. These efforts resulted in extensive litigation, with Trump losing the vast majority of the cases, in decisions handed down by both liberal and conservative judges. I surveyed the relevant cases and their implications in a 2019 Texas Law Review article.
The first Trump administration lost most of these cases because it ran afoul of constitutional limits on federal power and on executive power over the budget. Thanks to a series of Supreme Court decisions (most written by conservative justices), the federal government cannot simply commandeer state and local authorities into helping enforce federal law. Under current Supreme Court precedent, it can try to use financial incentives to secure such assistance. But any such conditions on federal grants must, among other things, 1) be enacted and clearly indicated by Congress (the executive cannot make up its own grant conditions), 2) be related to the purposes of the grant in question (e.g. - grants for health care or education cannot be conditioned on immigration enforcement), and 3) not be "coercive."
Virtually all of Trump's first-term efforts to pressure sanctuary jurisdictions ran afoul of one or more of these constitutional constraints. I went over the details in my article. Whether his second-term efforts fare any better remains to be seen. But, at the very least, any effort to withhold all or nearly all grants from sanctuary jurisdictions is likely to violate the relatedness requirement and the admittedly vague rules against coercion. That would be true even if the new Republican-controlled Congress enacts such sweeping conditions by legislation. Such legislation could satisfy the need for congressional authorization, but not get around restrictions on relatedness and coercion.
As I emphasized in various writings during the first Trump administration, the issues at stake here go far beyond immigration policy. If the administration can make up its own new conditions for federal grants to state and local governments, it would severely undermine the separation of powers, allowing the executive to usurp Congress's spending power. In addition, given the dependence of state and local governments on federal funds, it would create a massive club that the executive could use to coerce states and localities on a vast range of issues, thereby gravely imperiling federalism. Conservatives who support such coercion when a GOP administration does it are unlikely to be happy when the same tools are utilized by a Democratic president to compel support for left-wing policies.
And for those keeping score, I have made similar points in defense of conservative "gun sanctuaries," which refuse to help the federal government enforce some federal gun laws.
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Yada. yada, yada.
We went through this before. You can only withhold funds in ways Congress specifies, and the Supreme Court was clear the state had to have a clear choice offered to it: accept funds and the strings, or reject both, which they are free to do.
Personally, I never liked the idea of Congress constructing powers it didn’t have from others it does, like taxing the hell out of The People, then making them jump like monkeys to get it back. But that’s a different discussion. This is the way of things.
Isn’t at least clarity and rule of law and choice a good thing?
If Trump's Amerikkka is going to be as bad as they say why are there so many people still busting down the door to get here let alone why do we need to spend so much effort to help people stay in this supposedly terrible place?
If Biden's Anerica was as bad as Trump said it was, why are there so many people busting down the door to get here?
Because like some people say, they get better treatment than American citizens. OTOH. It makes absolutely no sense for them to be here if everything the Dems say about Trump is true.
Some people say!
And, it makes absoluely no sense for them to be here if everything Trump said about Biden is true. Politicians lie. Film at 11.
A big part of conservative rhetoric is that Dems coddle illegals. A big part of left rhetoric is that Repubs treat them like the Nazis treated the jews. Both accuse the other of turning the country into a wasteland.
What place would it make less sense for people to be banging down the door for? A wasteland where you’re coddled and given relatively preferential treatment or a wasteland where you are rounded up into concentration camps and treated like the Nazis treated the jews?
Also your turnabout doesn’t make any sense as a negative response critiquing mine. My post is to mock Ilya’s two faced rants of how awful it is for illegals who are at the same time pulling out all the stops to help them still breaking down the door to get in. Your reply essentially just agrees with my main point that he and the people that engage in this two faced theater are putting on a false front.
What two-face rants? As far as I can tell, Somin thinks America is a great place and that's why people want to come here.
He does; He's the guy who got pulled onboard the lifeboat as a child, he treasures the lifeboat, and wants to share it with everybody still treading water in the ocean.
Wants that so hard he can't accept he'd sink the lifeboat.
I think poor Brett - who has a brown wife - should worry. Because the rhetoric doesn't end at 'illegal' now. These people are poisoning America's blood - legal or illegal
Who are "these people"?
And I think you're engaging in the same sort of fantasy that the idiots doing Handmaid cosplay are. You so want to believe the opposition are monsters you'll actually be disappointed if they don't act like it.
Excellent post and very interesting. So called libertarians here were cheering anti-commandeering concepts when it came to the war on [some] drugs and cannabis legalization [medical or otherwise] at the state level vs continued federal prohibition. Particularly when Obama was president. State's rights were all the rage in those heady days.
But now, the state's rights crowd only chimes up on gun laws and putting religion into schools and/or using tax payer funds to pay private religious school tuition like good little socialists.
A very poor and inconsistent defense of the 10th amendment as I have ever seen. The number of people cool with encroaching authoritarianism so long as their guy is in charge is alarming at best...or just shows the shallowness of people's convictions.
a) "The number of people cool with encroaching authoritarianism so long as their guy is in charge is alarming at best…or"
b) "just shows the shallowness of people’s convictions."
c) both (a) and (b)
I'm going with (c)
Somin's comment is so very predictable.
Very helpful response.
Predictable? Certainly. Correct? Almost certainly.
Instead of whining like a spoiled child, maybe point out where you disagree with the good professor? Do you think his legal analysis is incorrect? Or are you agreeing with his analysis, and complaining that the law is what the law is?
I mean, you do get that if Trump is allowed to do this; the exception will almost entirely swallow the rule, and future presidents will similarly be able to cudgel the states (Maybe okay with you), and also bypass almost all of Congress's role in setting the budget (Based on past posts you've made over the years; I know you hate this prospect under a Democrat president, and I'm confident that you're not a flaming hypocrite on this issue.).
What it might come down to is Bondi playing hardball and threatening to enforce Federal marijuana law unless the states capitulate on this. Exactly what would prevent her from calling (say) the Massachusetts Cannibals Control Commission a conspiracy to violate Federal law?
I would not have thought that were a significant enough problem to require an entire commission.
...Says the guy not being eaten.
Who would they be conspiring with, and what statute would they be violating?
Rhode Island delayed marijuana licensing over such fears. In Massachusetts a law to restore gun rights to criminals was derailed after the Department of Justice sent a scary letter to the people who would have processed the applications.
This is the solution to Ilya and Ilya's ilk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC-ALCp9ke8
Wait until the end for the best part.
This comment is more so. 😉
8 USC 1324 seems to be the relevant statute
Can you elaborate on what you think the relevance is?
Probably the part about harboring illegals.
JHBHBE, what makes you think that 8 U.S.C. § 1324 is a federal funding mechanism?
What makes you think I think that 8 U.S.C. § 1324 is a federal funding mechanism?
Well, duh. Your comment above, "Probably the part about harboring illegals", in a discussion of Donald Trump's plans to use withhholding of federal funds to pressure sanctuary cities leads me to think that.
If it's illegal to harbor illegals (and it is), then Trump has a duty to stop cities / States from doing that.
Including by not letting them spending Federal funds doing that
I don't think harboring means what you think it means.
Apart from that, did you read Professor Somin's post, including the three conditions on withholding of federal funding?
Tell us oh wise one what "harboring" means.
It doesn't mean withholding assistance to federal law enforcement.
Here is a description of how some federal courts have applied 18 U.S.C. § 1071 relative to harboring or concealing a fugitive from justice: https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1831-harboring-18-usc-1071-third-element-concealing
So illegal aliens and phony asylum seekers are fugitives from justice?
"So illegal aliens and phony asylum seekers are fugitives from justice?"
No, but the statutes prohibiting harboring or concealing members of each group serve similar purposes. Judicial decisions interpreting the language of § 1071 should accordingly be persuasive as to interpreting the same terms in 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1)(A)(iii).
Not disputed that the feds can’t withhold funds to coerce the states to do something that is legal,
The dispute in this case is whether the federal government can withhold funds to stop the states from violating federal law - in this case harboring illegal aliens and actively interfering with federal law enforcement
I don't think that is the issue. It's whether the federal government can withhold funds to stop the states from not assisting federal immigration enforcement.
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t's whether the federal government can withhold funds to stop the states"states from not assisting federal immigration enforcement."
Your & Somin 's characterization of the states "not assisting " in immigration enforcement " is not what is actually happening. Both you and Somin know that.
The states and their personnel are actively involved in violation of federal law
8 U.S.C. § 1324
No, we don't know that 8 U.S.C. § 1324 is being violated. If we did, then our arguments would of course fail.
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"No, we don't know that 8 U.S.C. § 1324 is being violated. If we did, then our arguments would of course fail."
That is a stupid defense - "8 U.S.C. § 1324 is being violated. Everyone including you know that
No, that's not right either. Sigh. Joe_dallas, legal expert, strikes again. The federal government absolutely can withhold funds to coerce the states to do something that is legal. If the three established conditions for such coercion are satisfied.
No, that is in fact not the dispute in this case. The states are not violating federal law.
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"No, that is in fact not the dispute in this case. The states are not violating federal law."
DN - intentionally misrepresenting the facts. - The states and local law enforcement are actively impeding federal law enforcement.
Maybe in Dr Ed's delusional civil war fantasies. In the real world, they're merely declining to assist federal law enforcement, not shooting at ICE.
FFS. Stop lying about what I and others believe and then stop begging the question.
Josh:
We've got multiple Democrat office holders saying they're going to obstruct the Feds from deportation.
Are you agreeing that those Dems, if they follow through on that, are criminals who can be freely targeted by Trump?
Citation for those Democrats and their words? Perhaps what you think is onstruction is simply not cooperating (the latter is constitutionally protected conduct).
After reading the what the law was, it was clear Flight Doc was offering a better law to apply.
That's the obvious inference to anyone who knows how to read.
Looked it up.
Doesn't say anything about grants, withholding grants, or any obligation of state or local law enforcement to help enforce it.
It DOES say something about incarceration though.
Only the Second Circuit accepted that argument last time around. I believe the Supreme Court did not rule on the merits of any of the challenges.
But any such conditions on federal grants must, among other things, 1) be enacted clearly indicated by Congress (the executive cannot make up its own grant conditions), 2) be related to the purposes of the grant in question (e.g.—grant for health care or education cannot be conditioned on immigration enforcement), and 3) not be "coercive."
(1) is sound -- the Constitution is clear that Congress gets to decide how to spend the money. The Executive Branch can't just make up its own conditions.
(2) is unworkable. As we have seen in Commerce Clause jurisprudence, with a bit of ingenuity, anything can be related to anything else. To use the specific example here, illegal immigration arguably burdens public facilities, including hospitals.
(3) Coercive? Every condition is coercive. If that's unconstitutional, then no condition can pass muster. That's the whole point of conditions.
Bottom line is that if Trump wants to do this, he needs Congress to enact the conditions. If it does, then I have a hard time believing SCOTUS will second guess that.
Prof. Somin is here stating the existing law regarding conditions on grants under the Spending Clause.
Not sure what's sound or unsound about stating the law.
And you have the coercion prong wrong. It's a high bar for something to be coercive - see NFIB v. Sebelius for what elements make a condition coercive.
Coercive in this context means a state could reasonably just decide to give up the money.
But what does that mean? A state can turn down the money and either do without, or raise its own taxes to make up the difference.
Perfectly reasoned.
I saw your #1 immediately, but #2-#3 aren't as obvious.
The Supreme Court once forced states to fund education for illegal aliens. Now, can Trump convince congress to defund them?
The issue is a treasonous campaign by the previous executive branch allowing an invasion by criminals. So, can the executive branch condemn all illegal aliens for unlawfully entering without visa? Demand they turn themselves in or face immediate arrest and deportation?
Only a person favoring a totalitarian government, the kind that executes its political opponents or puts them in concentrationcamps, would call people on the other side of a simple political disagreement on an issue like immigration policy “treasonous.”
This country had an open immigration policy for its first century and a mostly open one for the half century after that. Do you really think that every single administration in this country’s entire first century and a half, until immigration quotas were inteoduced for the first time ever in the 1920s, were all traitors?
That’s absurd. You may disagree with how people saw things for most of the life of this country. But to call them all, all the founders of this country, criminals just because you disagree with them on something? George Washington a traitor? Abraham Lincoln a traitor? That’s unAmerican.
The executive can condemn and demand all it wants. Following through could get sticky.
Sebellius is an example of a condition the Supreme Court declared unconstitutionally coercive. The original ACA made Medicaid expansion mandatory. States had to accept it to het any Medicaid funding. The Supreme Court struck that down as too coercive, which is why it became voluntary and some states still don’t participate.
So it’s a real thing.
Yes, but so is Medicaid fraud.
I imagine that there is something in the Medicaid regs saying that illegal aliens can't be on Medicaid. So states such as Taxachusetts that have put them on it are in violation of that, and you gotta wonder what an audit would find.
"The Supreme Court struck that down as too coercive,"
That's just it, there is no scale on the coercive-o-meter to determine when it's too much. It reminds me of Lewis Powell's "I know it when I see it" as to pornography.
I am aware that is what SCOTUS ruled. To me, it is a totally subjective standard.
The infamous “I know it when I see it” line was written by Justice Potter Stewart in Jacobellis v. Ohio, 378 U.S. 184, 197 (1964) (Stewart, J., concurring), not by Justice Lewis Powell.
Stewart joked that it would probably be inscribed on his tombstone.
It’s not uncommon, in the development of the law, for courts first to announce a principle, and then develop boundaries and standards over multiple cases percolating through multiple lower courts over a period of time.
i suggest this is often preferable to deciding everything exactly all at once in a single case.
The fact of the matter is, judges don’t know, haven’t through the consequences and implications of, the interpretative details of the general principles at the beginning. So first having multiple cases percolate that let the Supreme Court hear a variety of opinions based on a variety of fact situations that may not have occurred to them originally will very likely result in a sounder and more appropriate final set of standards and detail then just inventing all the details off the top of their heads based on a single case.
As John von Neumann, the mathematician, once said, “there is no point in being precise when you don’t even know what you’re talking about.” This principle is equally valid for law. It is the better course to start out vaguer, reflecting ones ignorance, and then to increase ones precision as one attains more knowledge. Good law, like good just about anything else, is the product of a learning process. It, like everything else we mere mortals do, doesn’t come into being all at once.
BL, it always comes back to Congress, it seems. Not sure if Team Trump has the legislative energy to pass immigration reform.
My recollection is that Trump’s efforts largely failed because of the first requirement, they were made up by the administration and not authorized by Congress. Although Sebellius clarified that there are real limits on the Congressional spending power, I nonetheless suspect Congress if it really wants to could craft a series of laws that, while each relevant to a particular spending program and falling short of “coercive,” could nonetheless make life difficult for states that don’t comply.
Why couldn't health care funding be conditional on helping to get rid of illegal immigrants who might require health care?
"The Secretary is authorized to spend (amount) on grants to cities to provide (services), provided that the Secretary shall not approve any grant to to a city with (poor immigrant population metric here) unless that city has a plan approved by the Secretary of Homeland Security to assist in location and detention of removable aliens."
That's stronger than the 21 year old drinking law -- which cuts highway funding on the presumption that mandating a 21 year old drinking age would prevent those under 21 from obtaining alcohol and thus reduce OUI deaths.
I don't think it did -- OUI is down in ALL age groups from what it had been in the late '70s and there are OTHER reasons for it.
ACA Medicare expansion was found 7-2 to be coercive for conditioning Medicare funding.
Your hypo seems to be the same situation. Even if clear from Congress and getting over the low bar of relevance, it failed coercion under current precedent.
Um, it was found coercive for conditioning Medicare funding on forcing the state to greatly increase its Medicare spending, IIRC.
A Federal rule that "you can't spend any of this money on people here illegally, and you have to prove to us you are not doing that" should be perfectly legitimate.
The President swears an oath to faithfully execute the laws. that includes immigration law
I don’t see the distinction you are making as applied to coerciveness (coercion?).
Immigration laws are being faithfully enforced. What exact part of the ANA is being broken? It doesn’t just say gotta deport them all; there is lots of discretion.
The hypo withheld all health care funding, not just that portion used on people illegally present. That seems like a good analogy to withholding all Medicaid funding if you don't expand Medicaid, which was struck down in NFIB.
Medicaid is already not available for illegal immigrants, with some narrow exceptions. (Pregnant women is the only one I can think of.)
Are you an undocumented immigrant who is age 65 or older?
You May Be Eligible for New York’s Expanded Medicaid
"New York has expanded its Medicaid program to include
certain undocumented immigrants. Individuals are eligible
if they are age 65 and older and have an income up to a
certain amount."
If you're deliberately spending the money illegally, then IMO that level of fraud justifies the Feds stopping from giving you anything until you stop deliberately violating the law.
It depends on how much funding is at issue.
In Dole the court calculated only 5% of the federal highway funding was at risk so the states could realistically turn it down.
In Sebelius non-compliant states would lose not only the new Medicaid funding but also all existing funding, a big enough number that (the court felt) the states weren't being given a practical choice.
With or without the support of sanctuary jurisdictions deportations will happen.
Texas just bought a large ranch on the border to use as internment space.
"But any such conditions on federal grants must, among other things, 1) be enacted clearly indicated by Congress (the executive cannot make up its own grant conditions), 2) be related to the purposes of the grant in question (e.g.—grant for health care or education cannot be conditioned on immigration enforcement), and 3) not be "coercive."
So the Federal 21 year old drinking age is unconstitutional?
Three generations of college students would applaud that.
And as to Congress, there is a Republican majority in both chambers.
The Republican majority is weak, being unable to survive defections in the House or reach 60 votes in the Senate. So the question is, how many purple state Democrats would vote for what kind of bill?
South Dakota v. Dole found it was possible that people would drive across state lines to get to a state with a lower drinking age and crash on the way home. That is about as relevant as a low income immigrant possibly needing federally subsidized services.
I would have decided that case the other way.
The federal drinking age limit was upheld in Sout Dakota v. Dole which established the three criteria Somin quoted.
It did, but it was a bit fuzzy on the second one whether the condition had to relate to the objectives of the same federal program the grant was for or any federal program. It was restated more clearly in New York v. US, 505 US 144 (1992):
how can deporting illegal border crossers who were never health screened NOT be related to public health?
I have no idea what "plans", if any, Trump has to deal with uncooperative local officials, and even if I could read the linked Washington Post article behind a paywall, I would be skeptical of anything not coming from Trump or his team, as opposed to unnamed or anonymous sources. If Somin is saying that if Trump proceeds with the same exact methods that were rejected by courts then, they will again be rejected by courts now, he's not exactly making a profound prediction.
grant for health care or education cannot be conditioned on immigration enforcement
Why not? The grant could surely require that none of the money go tot he health care or education of people in the US illegally
"No one is above the law", remember?
"Why not? The grant could surely require that none of the money go tot he [sic] care or education of people in the US illegally"
For a state to deny to undocumented school-age children the free public education that it provides to children who are citizens of the United States or legally admitted aliens would violate the Equal Protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982).
1: The Court found that any state restriction imposed on the rights afforded to children based on their immigration status must be examined under a rational basis standard to determine whether it furthers a substantial government interest.
Which means that the State wins in ANY honest adjudication, because it's entirely rational to not want to waste taxpayer money on criminals
2: It was 5-4 during the height of Warren Court lunacy. Should be no problem to flip in
How about stop spending money we don't have and cutting back Federal grants?
This is all lovely mental masturbation, but it ignores what Trump can actually easily do:
1: Terminate all funds / subsidies going to illegals
2: Send INS to companies that were working with Biden illegals, and fining the hell out of them for every illegal they employ
3: Doing lots of deportations, esp in cities that are NOT sanctuary cities
We all saw how pissed NYC et al got at FL and TX shipping them illegals. That's nothing compared to illegals fleeing the GOP States and going to those "sanctuary cities" that promise to protect them
So they get hit with waves of foreign invaders, while the Feds cut them off from any Federal funding for those invaders, including terminating all NGO pro-illegal funding
Black voters have already started demonstrating that they don't like it when the illegals come and take the $$$ that would otherwise go to them.
If the Dems want to lose hard in 2026 because poor people stop voting for them, I'm all in favor of that.
The illegals being around in 2030 would affect the census, so we want them out of the Dem States by then. But until then?
Game on
1: Terminate all funds / subsidies going to illegals
2: Send INS to companies that were working with Biden illegals, and fining the hell out of them for every illegal they employ
1 is already law and enforced. Even legal immigrants are ineligible for almost all public benefit programs.
2 will never happen because it will cost Trump's cronies and donors money.
If Trump can force states to enforce immigration law, the Medicaid expansion part of Obamacare goes into effect in all 50 states. Same principle.
Can anyone tell me what the hell that logo is supposed to mean?
It means that PR professionals regard "The Emperor's New Clothes" as an instruction manual, not a warning.
I can see that Trump's administration is going to keep Prof. Somin busy writing rants against him.
Turkey is thawed, stuffing is made, pies are done, maple glazed sweet potato apple gratin is ready to go first think in the morning and in less than two months we have a new president.
Plenty to be thankful for.
The ONLY thing about withholding Federal funds that can possibly violate the Constitution is the EXISTENCE of Federal funding to withhold.
Don't bother to tell me what ANY court ruled until you are prepared to defend the ruling based on the actual provisions of the Constitution.
"But Trump got elected by a landslide which means that he has a mandate to override the constitution" thinks every Trumpster here.
Seems to me they're engaged in an open insurrection against the United States and should be dealt with as such. I mean if an unguided tour is "insurrection" to Ilya and the random leftist then open defiance of the Federal government in the Federal sphere of power would certainly qualify.
Exactly. Jail the mayors and such...
An unguided tour? What next? Russian soldiers decided on a road trip to East Ukraine? Comical but typical from a true believer.
South Dakota v. Dole.
Enough written
It doesn't seem to me to be too difficult to leap over the necessary hurdles.
1. eliminate, or reduce to paltry amounts, all funding specifically for cities - eg HUD etc. You can add any other kind of federal funding to this as you choose.
2. offer states a bounty of $X per illegal delivered to ICE for deportation
Compute X by reference to the funds not spent in 1.
Co-operating States collect, and can spend some of their cash on their cities (etc) if they wish. Non co-operating States can fund their own cities.
Obviously this would require co-operation from the GOP Congress, which is never gonna happen.
Eliminating or reducing to paltry amounts all funding to cities sounds coercive to me.
Well, done on its own it wouldn't be coercive, would it ? It would just be a spending cut.
And a bounty for delivering illegal aliens for deportation isn't coercion either.
So somehow you have to arrive at the conclusion that the two things appearing, along with a hundred other things, in a reconciliation Bill somehow amounts to coercion.
But it's a hard case to make. Not least because the city can't do anything to recover the funds it used to get. It's the State that gets the bounty, not the city. And the city would only get a share in the bounty if the State decided to replace HUD funds with State funds, financed maybe from the bounty - if the State earned a bounty - or from general state taxation, or not at all.
It's not like these 17 cities are missing out on federal funds, and those 17 are the sanctuary cities. ALL cities miss out on federal funds, and some of them may be wholly or partially compensated by their states - at the discretion of the state not the federal government - and their state may or may not get the money to do so, from the Feds.
I don't doubt you could find an Obama or Biden judge (even a Clintonista) who would rule that it's coercion. I doubt it would survive on appeal all the way up to SCOTUS.
Eliminating all Medicaid funding on its own isn't coercive. It would just be a spending cut. But in NFIB, the Court held conditioning all Medicaid funding on expanding Medicaid was impermissibly coercive.
Indeed. But in my hypo the only condition is the state doesn’t get the bounty unless it divvies up some illegals. That’s a new federal program entirely unrelated to HUD etc.
There’s no coercion on the cities ( by the Feds) in respect of HUD funds because whatever they do they’re not going to get them.
The only coercion which might be applied is by the state. If the state wants the bounty it may choose to incentivise or coerce the cities to help it get the federal bounty.
The state is coerced by the feds to coerce the cities.
Not at all. The State is incentivized by the Feds to do stuff, some of which might involve the State deciding to coerce, or incentivize, the cities in the State. Which the State is perfectly entitled to do.
Whether the State coerces the cities - stick only - or incentivizes them - carrot only - or a bit of both, or does squat, is up to the State. And as regards the State, the Feds are offering only carrots.
It doesn't matter whether the state coreces the cities, incentives them, or even outright requires them by state law. The state acted because of federal law.
The difference between whether the state was coerced or incentivized by that federal law is the size of the bounty. The shell game of eliminating HUD funding and replacing it with a new program of the same size is not availing to your case.
How about private bounty hunters?
One thing Trump will be able to accomplish easily is an end to the perverse incentives the Biden administration used to lure illegal immigrants to the country. The free flights, free hotels, free phones, and free debit cards for migrants will end, causing many to go back home of their own accord. FEMA will no longer be used as an illegal alien resettlement bureau, so it will have funds to deal with its actual mission of disaster relief.
None of those things were for illegal immigrants.
Again, wrong. This is just the converse of the policy by the Feds of punishing states, municipalities, counties etc by legislating "Unfunded Mandates" -- that alone will give Trump all he needs to punish sanctuary cities. No stand on my part just the law.
So how about this policy under current SCOTUS jurisprudence?
Trump gets Treasury to calculate how much illegal immigration is costing the federal government. Then divide that by each state's population. You don't cooperate with the feds? Your portion gets deducted from the federal gravy train.
I presume the unified Republican control will result in funding that has explicit requirements to cooperate with immigration enforcement on pain of losing law enforcement funds. Hardpressed to see how law enforcement funds will not be found related or overly coercive by the SCT.
It could be, and as long as it's spelled out in Congressional legislation, it has a chance of surviving court challenge.
You are forgetting the Trump card: immunity. People on the left are saying he’ll be like Hitler. I think he’ll be more like Andrew Jackson: “John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!” While the quote probably isn’t real, the Trail of Tears was. So to will be Trump’s Trail of Tears 2.0. All he has to do is claim immunity and ignore whatever the court says.
And my Philospher teacher would say "but what do YOU think, Ilya?"
Look if you can be or not be a sancturay city then logically there is no legal issue about what you are ordering or not ordering on the Federal level. Please, Ilya, tell us the difference between "we are a sanctuary city " and "we are not going to obey the law"
You are muddying the waters here.
I think it’s a very fair criticism of Professor Somin that on certain issues, including this one, he is so ideologically and emotionally invested in a particular policy position that he will act exclusively as an advocate, coming up with any arguments that come to his mind favoring his position without a filter that would neutrally vet them for solidness under established legal doctrine. I think Professor Somin would do better to be forthright both about what the law currently is, and where he disagrees with it and thinks it should be different.
The fact of the matter is the federal government currently has plenary power over immigration, able to admit or deny for essentially any reason or no reason, with any rights would-be immigrants may have to avoid exclusion established by Congress, not the Constitution.
Professor Somin is right that the Supreme Court has found some meat in states rights on these matters. State officials canot be ordered to enforce federal law, and incentives to do so must be authorized by Congress and stated clearly. And Professor Somin is also right that the Trump I administration lost a string of court cases by enacting regulations that went beyond Congressional authorization, in what I think might be a good example of a case where where checks on the administrative state don’t always favor conservatives.
Nonetheless, if Congress really puts its mind to it and acts carefully, I suspect it could come up with a string of spending-law clauses that pass the Dole requirements, yet in their totality come pretty close to an offer the states can’t refuse.
Let me humbly suggest a completely different approach to resolving the immigration crisis.
In the original Constitution, states had primary control over immigration as well as importation, subject to federal regulation. Given how divided our country is, this may not be such a terrible idea. We could restructure things so that the federal government relaxes centralized control and devolves more authority to the states as it has already done in a variety of matters recently (alcohol, marijuana, and abortion for example). Alcohol was once a huge, divisive national issue. It no longer is. Perhaps other huge national issues might benefit from a similar approach.
If states were alowed to authorize additional immigration themselves, subject to certain federal regulatoons, liberal states could allow more immigrants, but they wouldn’t be allowed in conservative states until federally admitted, and the federal government could impose uniform limits on naturalization. This would in effect make the status quo - a large group of immigrants without permanent citizenship rights - legal. States that want lots of immigrants could have them, and states that don’t want lots of immigrants could keep them out.
In order to accomplish this, the right to travel would have to be construed as limited to federally admitted immigrants and not applying to immigrants admitted solely under the auspices of a state. I’m sure Professor Somin would hate this unequal distinction between two classes of immigrants with different rights.
But a state-by-state approach making things legal for folks who want them and illegal for folks who don’t want them is in fact a standard way to diffuse national crises where people bitterly disagree. In addition, liberal states could sweeten the pot for immigrants by agreeing to admit each others’ state-authorized immigrants, opening up a significant portion of the country to them.
Like all compromise solutions, not only does it give nobody everything what they want, it doubtless seem unfair to most. Restoring or partially restoring state’s original power over immigration, and then limiting the travel rights of immigrants admitted under state authority, would create a class of immigrants with less than full rights.
But nonetheless, everybody involved would be better off, in many cases far better off, than under the current system. NIMBY states would get to keep immigrants out of their back yards. And giving immigrants a recognized, open legal status in YIMBY states would make them far, far better off than under the current system where they live as fugitives from tbe law everywhere. Nobody would get the loaf they doubtless believe they deserve. But half a loaf all around is a lot better than starving.
We need to start thinking more practically, about how we can negotiate deals and compromises that nobody loves but people can live with, if we can hope to heal the divisions in our country. And I will say this. The legal system’s penchant for thinking in absolute, all-or-nothing principles, by which there is always a winner who takes all and a loser who gets nothing, has become a threat to the peace of our country and the survival of the republic. Similarly, having the federal government decide all important matters in a uniform way is a recipe for disaster. Like all winner-take-all systems, it inflames strife rather than seeking to resolve it.
We need to start doing things differently. We need to start accepting the divisions in the country as facts of life that have to be lived with, and start finding ways that we can nonetheless work with them, and work together despite them. Too ideological an approach, too much basing things on uncompromisable abstract philosophical principles, impedes that effort. This has been part of my criticism of Professor Somin’s approach.
I think your idea has possibilities. I'll have to think about it more.
My idea is to make legal immigration much easier. Anyone who is physically able to work, is willing to work, has no criminal record, and speaks English at a high school level and can pass a written test in English, can come to the US with their spouse and children up to age 22 or so. For the first five years they are on probation. No criminal convictions (and the clock stops while any arrest is adjudicated) and no public benefits used, accepted, or applied for within that five years and they become permanent residents. After another five years with no criminal convictions they can become citizens if they choose. No one gets amnesty though. Anyone who is here illegally has to leave and go to the end of the line. You don't get special privileges for breaking the law.
I realize that there may need to be some minor tweaks.
I would wholeheartedly support this program as soon as we have removed 90% of all illegal and undocumented aliens.