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NRA v. Vullo Update: Second Circuit Weighs Reviving $100M+ Damages Claim
Readers of the blog may I recall that I was counsel of record for the NRA in the Supreme Court stage of NRA v. Vullo, and that the ACLU's David Cole presented oral argument before the Court. The Court unanimously held that the NRA stated a claim, and remanded the case to the Second Circuit as to qualified immunity; the Second Circuit held oral argument two weeks ago, and I thought some of you folks might be interested in what happened there. Bill Brewer (the NRA's lead lawyer on this) and his team and I therefore put together this quick post; I should note that my role here is an advocate and not as an impartial academic, but my sense was that our readers might still find this analysis interesting:
On Wednesday November 13, 2024, the Second Circuit held oral argument in National Rifle Association v. Vullo, No. 21-636, on the issue of qualified immunity. Commenced by the Brewer law firm on behalf of the National Rifle Association of America (NRA) in 2018, the Vullo lawsuit advances First Amendment claims against former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and the state's former head financial regulator, Maria Vullo, over an alleged censorship scheme that coerced banks and insurers to blacklist the gun group.
Although some allegations in the lawsuit are disputed, Vullo never denied urging regulated firms to sever their services to the NRA, based explicitly on the NRA's pro-gun speech. In official regulatory guidance to the CEOs of entities she supervised, Vullo insisted that New York's banks and insurers owed "a commitment to society as a whole," which (in her view) disfavored letting gun-rights advocates have bank accounts or health insurance. Surprisingly, the Second Circuit seemed to countenance this reasoning in 2022, when it rejected the NRA's First Amendment claims—citing, among other things, a DEI-consulting whitepaper on corporate social responsibility.
We were joined by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), as the NRA appealed this ruling to the United States Supreme Court for the NRA. In a rebuke from a unanimous Court, Justice Sonia Sotomayor revived the NRA's claims this past June, emphasizing decades of precedent that "[a] government official cannot coerce a private party to punish or suppress disfavored speech on her behalf." Moreover, the Court said, Vullo's alleged conduct struck at the heart of this prohibition. In light of the Court's guidance on the First Amendment merits of the NRA's allegations, Sotomayor added, the Second Circuit was free to reconsider the issue of qualified immunity, i.e., whether Vullo's alleged violations were such that the NRA should be able to sue her individually for damages.
The damages asserted in the case surpass $100 million—and Cuomo and Vullo could be on the hook for them (though, if damages are awarded, New York might indemnify them, depending on whether their conduct is deemed to be "intentional wrongdoing").
The Supreme Court's Vullo decision is already having a broad impact. In the recent election, Floridians voted on a measure to expand abortion rights (it ultimately failed to reach the required 60% threshold). In the run-up to the election, the General Counsel for the Florida Department of Public Health sent letters on the Department's letterhead to Florida TV stations, threatening enforcement action if the television stations continued showing advertisements in favor of abortion rights that he deemed to be a "sanitary nuisance" due to their supposed falsity. The proponents of the ballot measure sued, seeking a temporary restraining order. In a decision issued on October 17, District Judge Mark Walker relied on Vullo to hold that the General Counsel's enforcement threat violated the First Amendment, holding "[t]he present case bears all the hallmarks of unconstitutional coercion that the Supreme Court identified in … Vullo." This case illustrates that, while the immediate beneficiary of the Court's ruling was the NRA, the ruling will benefit advocates on all sides of the aisle, no matter their viewpoint.
On November 13, 2024, the Second Circuit held oral argument regarding the qualified immunity issue identified by the Supreme Court as potentially needing to be reconsidered in light of its ruling. At oral argument, Vullo's counsel emphasized portions of the appellate court's prior opinion, which looked unfavorably on the NRA's claims. But the Second Circuit panel appeared to rebuff that approach because, in its view, the earlier decision's framing of the relevant First Amendment issues was clearly rejected by the Supreme Court. Judge Denny Chin pressed Vullo's lawyer to distinguish the New York regulator's actions from those in Bantam Books—a 1963 precedent where the Court held that similar pressure tactics violated the First Amendment.
Vullo was represented at the Second Circuit oral argument by Will Havemann of Hogan Lovells, and the NRA was represented by Noel Francisco of Jones Day.
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If this means Cuomo and Vullo could be on the hook personally for that $100 million, that might scare a lot of politicians and bureaucrats straight more than anything else.
Giuliani was on the radio today, crying he was out of money.
Ridonkulous fines work.
I just wish it applied to government employees more often.
He wasn’t fined. He was judicially lynched. Even if you accept that he defamed those two fat beasts, their reputations were not worth $150 million. It wasn’t like they had high paying jobs. Having a hard time getting a job at KFC does not justify punitive damages like that.
Here's one of the beasts:
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It's very clear to me now after seeing Liman and Engoron's behavior that non-Orthodox Jewish judges should be prohibited from hearing any case related to Trump or his affiliates.
I wonder how the Guiliani plaintiffs were able to prove the amount of damages? One could argue that being the recipient of Trump campaign attacks might improve a person's reputation in certain social circles. But we live in a country with two justice systems. If you are a conservative, you can't will and will be destroyed. If you are anti-conservative you can't lose and you can pick your targets to ruin them.
It's a shame that Guiliani helped NYC as much as he did. I think it would have been better now if Guiliani had not been mayor and the city had continued its downward slide into chaos.
I didn't hear that on radio. I saw it in email. Giuliani's pleas are mixed in with the flood of other fundraising spam. So-and-so is attacking me because I stood up for what is right! Trump, our savior, is here! They took all my money! I am a Navy SEAL!
I wouldn't say the fine worked or didn't work. An eight figure fine for a six figure injury is bad luck like a bolt of lightning. Who expects to get hit next time? Maybe nobody. As it turns out Trump didn't need a flock of reckless election meddlers this time. We don't know if they would have been scared to repeat 2020.
What is the right collective noun for Trump's minions, anyway?
Both these people, Vullo and the Florida General Counsel, are idiots.
Sotomayor's opinion contradicts recent Supreme findings that made it acceptable for the Biden regime to induce Meta to censor anti-clotshot posts.
Setting aside your voodoo understanding of biology, it does not, because there were no threats.
Don't forget to send up a nightly prayer that Murthy v. Missouri's jurisdictional discovery falls through, so you'll continue to have at least a shred of a fig leaf for that wishful take.
Twitter itself both admitted that in court and released "Twitter Files" that reflected no such threats.
Actually it was Facebook/Meta that faced antitrust threats, not Twitter.
Why are you bringing up Twitter when no one else did?
Um, I'm not the one who brought up Murthy v Missouri.
Didn’t that involve both Twitter and Facebook/Meta?
Yes.
Riiiight. The government bureaucrats just said "Pretty please with sugar and cream".
In the ongoing legal saga of NRA v. Vullo, the Supreme Court's unanimous decision favored the NRA. For those who enjoy dissecting complex cases like a wordle unlimited puzzle, this analysis may pique your interest as we explore the legal nuances and implications further.
This is a good case to cabin qualified immunity. This was a considered policy by the top lawyer in the state and the governor. They had plenty of time to consider all the legal ramifications. If it's a First Amendment violation -- and SCOTUS said it is -- I see no need for QI here.
If certain of the Conspirators would confine their campaign against qualified immunity to eliminating that protection for government officials, particularly university officials, while leaving first responders for another day, they would attract a lot more sympathy. I know this is difficult for people who identify with university officials but despise policemen, so it probably won't happen.
Agree with you that we need to remove qualified immunity protections from government officials when those officials engage in egregious, premeditated constitutional violations. However, there's very good cause to reduce qualified immunity protections from police as well. Modern qualified immunity doctrine essentially requires a victim of police abuse to find a nearly identical case of police abuse to find that an office violated clearly established law. This is absurd, allows all kinds of abuses to be committed so long as incredibly similar circumstances have never previously been litigated, and essentially treats police as morons who can't understand when they're engaging in unconstitutional practices without a court's analysis.
And meanwhile, if you're not working for the government, "Ignorance of the law is no defense."
Maybe. All I said was let's start with officials other than first responders, especially university officials, and see how it goes. It seems like we should all be able to agree on that, but very few academics will take up that banner, I know. They would prefer to rail against the police.
The argument against such a partial solution is that it would be used as an excuse to stop the reform prematurely. Better to rip the bandaid off quickly and just get rid of it entirely.
Yes, QI is especially unjustified for officials with lots of time to think and to seek legal advice. But the need to hold police accountable is the more urgent problem. Bureaucrats abusing their authority generally end up with fewer dead people than police abusing their authority.
Is QI every justified? I think that limiting it, rather than abolishing it, would be easier politically.
Two areas where I think QI is justified:
1. The law changes. If SCOTUS overturns a prior precedent, a government official who relied on the old precedent before it was overturned should not be held liable. Ditto if it recognizes a right that never existed before.
2. When someone has to make a decision in a very limited time, like a cop having to deal with a dangerous situation.
Maybe there are others, or these two can be refined.
I also think that the practice of courts avoiding the question of whether the action violates rights, and just deciding QI, should be ended. Under current practice, you can have years of decisions letting off bad actors under QI, with no determination that the action actually violates rights. I have more sympathy for the first cop to face a novel situation than the tenth.
I would by sympathetic to your #1 if police and prosecutors applied the same standards to us peons when the law changes. They do not. Instead, they trot out "ignorance of the law is no excuse" and pile on the charges. Get rid of the double standard and I'll support your #1 but not before.
I understand the reasoning for your #2 but I think the very claim of urgency that makes it applicable makes it something that a jury must determine. I am highly confident that juries will continue to be deferential to police and find for them when the situations are truly exigent. QI is unnecessary in that scenario.
It's not ignorance of the law, it's SCOTUS changing its mind.
In Bowers v. Hardwick (1986), SCOTUS ruled that a state may criminalize sodomy.
In Lawrence v. Texas (2003), it ruled, no it can't.
Now suppose a cop arrested someone for sodomy in the intervening 17 years. Let's say in 2002. At the time it was perfectly legal; after 2003 it was not. I think the cop should get QI if the arrestee sued him after the Lawrence decision.
You’re missing the point. SCOTUS changes its mind all the time – or makes a decision for the first time that’s different from what the lower courts said. But that’s not (in their mind) a new law – they’re saying what the law always was, the rest of us were just wrong.
Yes, it’s a legal fiction (and probably a necessary one) but the point is that police and prosecutors give the rest of us zero immunity in those situations. Instead, the loser goes to jail no matter how ambiguous the law was before SCOTUS "clarified" it.
Consider your own citation – In Bowers v Hardwick, did Hardwick get immunity because prior to that case there was no “clearly established precedent” that Georgia’s anti-sodomy law was constitutional?
Or since this is a 2A-related thread, consider Rahimi. Did Rahimi get immunity because SCOTUS changed it’s mind about the Bruen test?
Isn't that how (indeed, the entire point of how) it currently works?
No, it's not.
SCOTUS decision in the NRA case is a simply application of the First Amendment. Which has been around for a long time.
I was thinking more of Roe v. Wade or Lawrence v. Texas.
“I should note that my role here is an advocate and not as an impartial academic”
The mask slips, but you are on the right side.
When Volokh and Sotomayor are on the same side of an issue there is very little room left for principled opposition.
You can hardly say "the mask slips" when somebody reaches up and removes the mask, saying "I'm going to take off my mask here.".
In the ofiginal post on gbe Florida case I had suggested the case could be resolved by state law without reaching constitutional issues because there is just no way that political advertisements about a ballot measure, whether or not false, could be covered by the law of “sanitary nuisance,” which addresses physical health nuisances like mosquito-infested ponds, overflowing cesspools, etc.
However, the implausibility that state law actually has anything to do with the issue may go to the officials’ personal culpability and affect damages.
Florida should have been easily found in the wrong even without the Vullo decision. I don’t know how much “broad impact” it has based on that incident alone. I grant there is a universal principle here. Likewise, liberty should include both the right to own a firearm for self-defense and the ability to practice health care (including abortion).
Calling abortion "health care" is like calling gay anal sex "marital love."
The New York indemnification law, Public Officers Law Section 17, does not have any damages limit I can see. In Massachusetts there is a limit of $1 million for some types of cases.
SCOTUS posts transcripts of oral arguments (for free). Does the 2nd Circuit? Do you have a link?
In the recent developments of NRA v. Vullo, the Supreme Court unanimously supported the NRA's position, sending the case back to the Second Circuit for further consideration. With the session just concluding and the tension rising, one might need a break with a thrilling game of moto x3m to unwind!