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Trump v. CBS Broadcasting Inc. Likely Going Nowhere
Yesterday's Complaint in this case essentially alleges that CBS's editing of the 60 Minutes Harris interview was "false, deceptive, or misleading," and thus a violation of Texas's consumer protection law. But states generally can't impose liability for misleading or even outright false political speech. To quote the Washington Court of Appeals in WASHLITE v. Fox News, where plaintiff unsuccessfully sued Fox for allegedly false statements about COVID,
[T]he Supreme Court in U.S. v. Alvarez (2012) disavowed the principle that false expressions in general receive a lesser degree of constitutional protections simply by virtue of being false. The court stated that its precedent restricting the value or protections afforded objectively false statements
all derive from cases discussing defamation, fraud, or some other legally cognizable harm associated with a false statement, such as an invasion of privacy or the costs of vexatious litigation. In those decisions the falsity of the speech at issue was not irrelevant to our analysis, but neither was it determinative. The Court has never endorsed the categorical rule the Government advances: that false statements receive no First Amendment protection.
The court went on to explain that,
[w]ere the Court to hold that the interest in truthful discourse alone is sufficient to sustain a ban on speech, absent any evidence that the speech was used to gain a material advantage, it would give government a broad censorial power unprecedented in this Court's cases or in our constitutional tradition.
WASHLITE's allegations that the challenged statements are false and recklessly made simply cannot overcome the protections afforded speech on matters of public concern under the First Amendment, even in the face of the State's undoubtedly compelling interest in the public dissemination of accurate information regarding threats to public health.
The First Amendment's guarantee of free speech does not extend only to categories of speech that survive an ad hoc balancing of relative social costs and benefits. The First Amendment itself reflects a judgment by the American people that the benefits of its restrictions on the Government outweigh the costs. Our Constitution forecloses any attempt to revise that judgment simply on the basis that some speech is not worth it.
United States v. Stevens (2010).
"If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable." Texas v. Johnson (1989). Although WASHLITE pursues the meritorious goal of ensuring that the public receives accurate information about the COVID-19 pandemic, the challenged statements do not fall within the narrow exceptions to the First Amendment's protections. We affirm the trial court's conclusion that, however laudable WASHLITE's intent, its CPA claim is barred by the First Amendment.
The same logic applies here, I think. To be sure, as WASHLITE and Alvarez noted, there are some historically recognized exceptions to First Amendment protection for knowing falsehoods, such as for defamation, fraud, and perjury. But those are deliberately exceptions. Defamation is limited to knowing (or sometimes negligent) falsehoods that damage a particular person's reputation. Fraud is limited to statements that themselves request money or other tangibly valuable items. Perjury is limited to lies under oath in governmental proceedings. There is no general government power to punish political falsehoods outside these narrow exceptions.
In addition to the Alvarez plurality statements cited by the Washington court, note that five Justices and three dissenting Justices in Alvarez agreed that
[T]here are broad areas in which any attempt by the state to penalize purportedly false speech would present a grave and unacceptable danger of suppressing truthful speech…. Laws restricting false statements about philosophy, religion, history, the social sciences, the arts, and the like raise such concerns, and in many contexts have called for strict scrutiny. But this case does not involve such a law.
That's from Justice Breyer's two-Justice concurrence, but Justice Alito's three-Justice dissent took the same view, adding "The point is not that there is no such thing as truth or falsity in these areas or that the truth is always impossible to ascertain, but rather that it is perilous to permit the state to be the arbiter of truth." I think this logic applies to media decisions about how to edit a political candidate's interview as well (again, outside the narrow exceptions noted above). And while some old decisions have upheld state laws focused on knowing falsehoods in election campaigns, post-Alvarez state and federal appellate cases have struck down even such specially targeted laws.
I should note that, when it comes to over-the-air broadcasting, the Court has left the Federal Communications Commission more latitude to restrict speech than the government has with regard to books, films, the Internet, and even cable television. Thus, the Court has upheld the Fairness Doctrine and the ban on broadcasting certain vulgarities. Lower courts have likewise allowed some policing by the FCC of alleged "distortion," see, e.g., Serafyn v. FCC (D.C. Cir. 1998). And the FCC has a specific "broadcast hoaxes rules" barring the publication of knowingly "false information concerning a crime or a catastrophe," if the information foreseeably "cause[s] substantial public harm."
But fortunately, in recent years the FCC has recognized the dangers of policing speech this way, whether in the service of trying to restrict disfavored views or supposed misinformation. The case involving the Washington Redskins is one example; the FCC there recognized that the Court's decision upholding the viewpoint-neutral restrictions on sex- and excretion-related vulgarities in Pacifica couldn't be extended to allegedly bigoted words, which would be punished precisely because of their supposed viewpoints. The FCC commissioners' statements quoted above support this as well, as does the FCC's 2020 decision related to the broadcast hoaxes rule:
[T]he Commission does not—and cannot and will not—act as a self-appointed, free-roving arbiter of truth in journalism. Even assuming for the sake of argument that Free Press's assertions regarding any lack of veracity were true, false speech enjoys some First Amendment protection, and section 326 of the Communications Act, reflecting First Amendment values, prohibits the Commission from interfering with freedom of the press or censoring broadcast communications. Accordingly, the Commission has recognized that "[b]roadcasters—not the FCC or any other government agency—are responsible for selecting the material they air" and that "our role in overseeing program content is very limited."
On the Court, Justices Thomas and Ginsburg had also suggested that it was unsound to offer lesser First Amendment protection to broadcasting; I expect that, if the issue were to come before the Court today, Red Lion and Pacifica would at least be sharply limited and perhaps overruled altogether.
But in any event whatever the status of this special treatment of FCC regulation of over-the-air broadcasting, it has never been extended to allow state law to be used to restrict supposed political misinformation, including on broadcasting networks.
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As I wrote on the open thread: Will those who yap and yammer about “lawfare” denounce Trump for this nonsense?
That’s ridiculous. All legal actions that may relate to a political candidate are not “lawfare.” President Trump is simply calling attention to gross misconduct orchestrated by CBS to benefit their preferred candidate. They might as well start their own PAC for Harris.
Suppose, for sake of discussion only, that CBS intends to benefit Kamala Harris. Under the First Amendment the courts have no more right to regulate their broadcast content than they have the right to regulate that of Fox News because the latter intends to benefit Donald Trump.
Broadcast networks like CBS are subject to more content regulation than cable- or online-only networks like Fox News.
But not content regulation based on the broadcaster's political ideology.
The FCC came close with the "fairness doctrine" and equal time rules. No longer demanding fairness, the FCC still claims the right to fight misinformation with license denial. There is a chance that a Trump-controlled FCC could go after CBS. Probably not successfully. With Trump's legal actions it's the ride, not the destination, that matters.
With Trump’s legal actions it’s the ride, not the destination, that matters.
Aka "lawfare."
Suppose, for the sake of discussion, that it's not just another example of repulsive media bias, but that Harris was coordinating with them on this? Maybe a puppet media or partner media? Democrats do like altering records. The WH certainly has demonstrated its penchant for altering transcripts.
Keep on digging Fox News's grave, this is great!
Not sure what conspiratorial insanities are winding their way through your confused mind, but just so you know, I could give a shit about Fox News. Never watch it myself.
My conspiratorial insanities are very easy to understand. Conservatives in this country like to rail against the “mass media.” But if you were to divide the media into “conservative media,” “mass media,” and “liberal media,” there’s way more “conservative media” than “liberal media.” Like… MSNBC? Whereas on the conservative side, there’s Fox News, Newsmax, OAN, Drudge, Parlor, Truth Social, whatever 8chan is now, WSJ, any number of bloggers and podcasters, etc. This isn’t new, it goes back at least to Rush Limbaugh and right-wing talk radio which has been around forever.
Of course, you think that’s because “mass media” is already liberal, so there’s no need for media specifically for liberals. But there’s no legal distinction between these categories. All your attacks on “mass media” will fall even harder on “conservative media” (and “liberal media” like MSNBC) which really are doing all the things you criticize about “mass media.”
In other words, conservatives’ efforts to rein in mass media will only serve to destroy conservative media and MSNBC. Well, as unconstitutional actions go, at least the outcome has a silver lining.
“But if you were to divide the media into “conservative media,” “mass media,” and “liberal media,” there’s way more “conservative media” than “liberal media.””
I call that the “Ptolemaic fallacy”; Thinking that the center of the world is wherever you happen to be. So, if you’re living five feet from the edge of the Pacific? Almost all of the country is Eastern!
Or if your head is five feet from outright communism, most of the media are ‘conservative’… Even though by every measure, most media outlets are well to the left of the center of American politics.
Take a look at page 12.
In 1971, 35.5% of journalists were Democrats, 25.7% Republicans. By 2013? 28.1% to 7.1%.
By 2022? 36.4% to 3.4%.
And, sure, half of them say they’re independents, but in a media context, an “independent” is just a Democrat in denial.
Every year the media look less like the American public politically. And every year the public’s trust in the media drops, because they can see that.
And why is it so easy for them to see?
U.S. journalists differ from the public in their views of ‘bothsidesism’ in journalism
At the same time the media have become overwhelmingly left-wing, they have also largely given up on the idea that being objective and impartial as a desirable goal. So they’re not just left-wing, they flaunt it.
You just said exactly what I said you'd say. Well, what I said Riva would say. Sort of sad that you're following in its footsteps.
And why would that matter even the tiniest bit, if what I’m saying happens to be true?
Multiple independent polls have shown for years that journalists are far to the ‘left’ of the American people, and have been getting further left every year. I’ve seen people claim that this has no influence on journalists’ professional behavior, because they strive to be objective.
The problem is that the polls also show that journalists increasingly reject being objective as a journalistic value.
Just for the record, Randy, you don't speak for me. And your comment is particularly absurd in light of the subject of this post, CBS' gross alteration of Harris' response calculated to favor the democrat candidate. Some evidence of bias, whatever the legal consequences.
Because the shit you say is not true, you dumb conspiratorial fuck.
"And, sure, half of them say they’re independents, but in a media context, an “independent” is just a Democrat in denial."
Heh you guys didn't bother to even read my post, as far as I can tell. I never said the "mass media" wasn't biased left. Stay confused! You're only shooting yourselves in the feet and / or face.
And not sure if you’re gaslighting, misinformed, or just stupid but Drudge is not “conservative.” Exactly the opposite actually. I would advise ignoring them.
And no one is dividing the media into camps but you. The criticism here is basically of the biased opinion masquerading as objective news reporting.
Pet peeve here.
"Gaslighting" is a noun or sometimes a transitive verb -- not an intransitive verb. Do comments on these threads actually cause others to question their own sanity, memory, or powers of reasoning?
If no one is gaslighted, then no one is gaslighting.
The criticism here is basically of the biased opinion masquerading as objective news reporting.
Fox News doesn't have some sort of "we're biased" warning label. You're trying to criticize "biased opinion masquerading as objective news reporting" when there's so much more of that going on on the right than on the left, by like several orders of magnitude. So go ahead, criticize away, you're only laying the groundwork for the destruction of the right-wing mediasphere.
Not Guilty. Sounds like you’re trying to gaslight me.
“Being Gaslighted? Know the 10 Signs and How to Protect Yourself“
https://www.scienceofpeople.com/gaslighting/
Randy, what the f is it with your stupid obsession with Fox News? I have no idea what the f you’re talking about. I don’t watch Fox and really don’t give a shit about Fox, even though you apparently do.
Riva, the article you link defines gaslighting as:
Which of these consequences have you experienced as a result of any comment(s) that I have posted here?
You are a blithering idiot and a buffoon. I have no interest in manipulating or controlling you -- don't flatter yourself.
My point above is that, where no one is in fact gaslighted, then no "gaslighting" has occurred. There is a world of difference between a field goal and an unsuccessful field goal attempt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GKmkD1pUG0
I’m not saying that you clowns are good at your gaslighting. The gaslighting here is childishly obvious and as ineffectinve and unconvincing as the advocacy for your political views. Not just you, my comment was originally directed at the Randal clown, and all the other similar clowns here.
Whoosh!
Riva, there is no “gaslighting” in the absence of someone being actually “gaslighted.”
Or do you think that Alabama actually scored that 56 yard field goal in the Iron Bowl?
I don’t watch Fox and really don’t give a shit about Fox
Why do you care so much about CBS? Fox is 1000 times worse, and everybody knows it. You look pretty stupid railing against CBS for bias and then saying "Fox? Never heard of it."
You're like the person complaining about how cold it is in the Florida panhandle. Get some perspective before you run your mouth.
Well Randal, perhaps you didn't notice, but this post actually concerns CBS’ gross distortion and manipulation of the record to promote Harris. If you’re aware of another network doing the same, do let the Trump campaign know.
Of course not; bots don't actually watch or read anything. But you're fed the Fox product into your algorithm, and then spew out exactly the talking points that appeared there the previous day/week/month.
Gotta love Brett. "The media is far to the left of the country because they're Democrats. Okay, actually most of them aren't Democrats, but we know that they really are and are just lying about it."
Bothsidesism is not "objective and impartial." Treating Hamas and Israel, or Russia and Ukraine, or Trump and a sane person, as having equally valid positions is not "objective and impartial"; it's failing to report the truth. The Dodgers and Yankees did not perform equally well in the World Series, and objective and impartial journalism should not report that they did. An NFL referee should not strive to call an equal number of penalties against each team; that's not "objective and impartial," but is instead putting his thumb on the scales in favor of the more offending team.
"That’s ridiculous. All legal actions that may relate to a political candidate are not 'lawfare.'”
IOW, in RivaWorld, IOKIYAR. That's pathetic.
I guess you're right, if you adopt a childishly silly superficial definition of lawfare as any legal action that impacts a political candidate. That’s not my view of lawfare. Lawfare is the abuse of the legal process for the express purpose of political persecution. If CBS can explain its gross misconduct, let them. And if the recent news lies about President Trump’s Cheney comments are any indication, the media is only getting worse.
"If CBS can explain its gross misconduct, let them."
What does this even mean?
CBS doesn't have to explain anything in court, other than point out that the lawsuit is obviously meritless. This post is about the utter vacuity of the legal complaint against CBS and, by extension, Trump's abuse of the legal system which calls into question his and his legal team's integrity and his commitment to free speech. The only gross misconduct that will have to be explained is the attorneys' good faith basis for filing this lawsuit and wasting the court's time and CBS's money.
CBS released the whole interview and broadcast the edited one. What's to explain even if you just want to talk about CBS outside of the context of the lawsuit?
Meanwhile, FOX only releases edited interviews of Trump, but Riva goes silent on that. You don't actually have any standards, you'll just latch onto anything convenient to support your Dear Leader. It's okay to say this is an unethical abuse of the court system and an embarrassing thing for a presidential candidate to be doing.
They're trying to subvert the democratic process. That's treason and sedition.
"They’re trying to subvert the democratic process. That’s treason and sedition."
Yeah, right. CBS has levied war against the United States or adhered to their enemies. 18 U.S.C. § 2381.
CBS will have to explain something and the more it does the more it exposes its corrupt practices
And as an aside you people seem to have some weird obsession with Fox News. Don’t really watch them myself but you seem to think they’re somehow influential on anyone opposed to democrat policies. I could tell you I generally despise them myself but probably best I just encourage you in your ignorant obsession.
CBS will not in fact have to explain anything. (Note that it already has fully explained the subject of the suit.) It can, if it wants, choose to explain why the Trump lawyers should be sanctioned for filing an utterly frivolous lawsuit devoid of factual and legal merit.
(But the "explanation" of that is "Because Trump.")
At least, as a bot, you have an excuse for a complete and utter lack of self-awareness.
NG, doesn't a judge have the authority to declare litigation frivolous, or vexatious? And if warranted, levy sanctions (for wasting the Court's time).
Am I mistaken about that?
Rule 11 sanctions against these plaintiffs in this case by Judge Kacsmaryk? Expect that to happen when Trump apologizes to Jean Carroll.
"NG, doesn’t a judge have the authority to declare litigation frivolous, or vexatious? And if warranted, levy sanctions (for wasting the Court’s time)."
Rule 11(b) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure states:
Rule 11(c)(3) provides that "On its own, the court may order an attorney, law firm, or party to show cause why conduct specifically described in the order has not violated Rule 11(b)."
Donald Trump and his then-counsel Alina Habba were sanctioned to the tune of almost $1 million for conduct similar to this in the Southern District of Florida by District Judge Donald Middlebrooks. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23580579/trump-v-clinton-sanctions-order-1m.pdf There, as here, Trump’s pleadings were little more than a political screed, wholly devoid of legal or factual merit, against folks whom he claimed had wronged him. That action was also filed in a single judge division of a federal district where the judge who sits regularly is in the tank for Trump. (That action fortunately wound up assigned to a judge with a higher regard for the law than Judge Loose Cannon.)
It is highly unlikely that Judge Kacsmaryk will impose sanctions on Trump, though.
In the Florida case Trump was warned about the deficiencies in his initial complaint and filed an amended complaint that was no better. So far in Texas he has filed only an initial complaint.
Pshaw, they’ll claim this is legit and claim that Fox News editing Trump’s rambling, meandering, dementia-soaked 3hrs barbershop interview where he couldn’t stay on topic and had to be repeatedly reminded of the question is proof that he’s competent.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/24/media/fox-news-edit-trump-barbershop-interview/index.html
Old, cognitively impaired, pathetic. Trump is presenting like early-stages of Alzheimer’s … can’t keep anything in his head other than angry denunciations and grievances.
Unfit to serve another term.
Not every frivolous lawsuit is "lawfare." The claim sounds frivolous. But CBS is not running for office, nor will its operations be hobbled by this silly suit.
Obama inherited a Bush recession (wasn't Bush's fault) and had to spend 8 years undoing it giving Trump a roaring economy to lay claim to. Then Biden inherited the Trump recession (wasn't Trump's fault), countered it through legislational achievements, and now we have another roaring economy. But you hayseeds are too stupid to see all this for what it is
Now do Bush and Clinton, then Clinton and Bush.
Clinton had eliminated the budget deficit by the time he left office (not entirely his doing). Or does your selective memory forget that? How far down this rabbit hole do you want me to go?
Huh. Not what I was expecting.
What I was expecting was "Clinton inherited Bush's recession, then left Bush with a booming economy and a budget surplus, which Bush then squandered", but go off I guess?
What are you getting at here? I'm afraid I don't understand
He agrees with you and just wanted to point out the pattern you noted also extended back to the Clinton administration.
Bullshit. Clinton took funds that were in separate accounts like the Airport Improvement Program and moved them into the General Fund. That gave the illusion of eliminating the deficit.
Wow, that was some feat of prestidigitation!
Baffling how no President thought of it before.
No, Clinton really did balance the budget based on two metrics at record levels—highest tax revenue as a percentage of revenue AND lowest defense spending as a percentage of revenue. And Bush’s two biggest issues were cutting taxes and increasing defense spending.
Why go back to Clinton. His selective memory doesn’t go back to the disastrous jobs report from yesterday. And he’s already memory hole the Biden Harris inflation. And what are those genius legislative solutions proposed by Harris? (One of the parties to blame for inflation in the first place). Oh, I remember now. Price controls. Sheer communist brilliance. Where has that ever failed miserably before, apart from everywhere on planet earth?
Why go back to Clinton. His selective memory doesn’t go back to the disastrous jobs report from yesterday
A "disastrous" jobs report for a month that literally included two major disasters. Who woulda thunk?
The overall economic disaster is Biden Harris made and it isn’t natural. And, incidentally, last August,the Bureau of Labor Statistics admitted that the jobs report in August had overstated job growth by about 818,000 in the 12 months that ended last March. And pretty much all job growth that has occurred under Biden Harris has gone to foreign born workers. Hard to imagine how much worse the future would be under the open borders czar but the word bleak comes to mind.
The fact that, over the course of the Biden administration, 2/3 of jobs reports have subsequently been revised downwards, and the downward adjustments dwarf the rarer upwards ones, is pretty clear evidence that the reports are being deliberately skewed.
“over the course of the Biden administration, 2/3 of jobs reports have subsequently been revised downwards”
Utterly false. If your argument is built on a lie, it’s a shitty argument.
23 of 24 revisions in 2021 were up. And by large amounts. (11 of 24 in 2022 were up with one non-adjudstment; 7 of 24 in 2023 with one non-adjustment; 6 out of 16 in 2024 through August). More than half of the revisions were up from 2021 to August 2024 (47 out of 88). Oh, and the biggest revisions were up (311 first adjustment to Dec 2021 numbers was the largest upward revision; 146 to Mar 2021 numbers was the largest downward revision). (https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cesnaicsrev.htm)
Lying jackass.
So does that rant mean the jobs report in August did not overstate job growth by about 818,000 in the 12 months that ended last March? Does it mean that pretty all job growth has benefited foreign born workers (that would include illegals) under Biden Harris?
"does that rant mean"
Not really what rant means.
"does that rant mean the jobs report in August did not overstate job growth by about 818,000 in the 12 months that ended last March?"
A bot question. The "rant" means just what it says. There have been more revisions up than down, but it's pretty close to even. Cherry-picking one particular period isn't very illuminating.
"Does it mean that pretty all job growth has benefited foreign born workers (that would include illegals) under Biden Harris?"
Another bot question. Ignore that Brett was, objectively, wrong, then spout factually incorrect right wing talking point.
Leaning into your programming today? A shame. Sometimes you almost seem human.
Ordinarily, I would say engaging in yet another rant to demonstrate your outrage at being accused of ranting is not the best rhetorical tactic but the rant style seems to suit you so go with it. Keep on ranting about those Biden Harris job numbers. That's really going to propel her over the finish line.
I would be shocked if we didn't see Harris Walz crash and burn worse than Mondale Ferraro. That mean losing Minnesota too. How could they not? One candidate is promising to help the next generation succeed and prosper and the other is promising to abort it.
Your final Electoral Vote prediciton is 535-3?
I wouldn't concede her the 3.
OK. You are officially a bot, troll or a false-flag satirist.
Whatever you say, I guess the name calling tantrum is one way you have to cope with your loss.
Only a moron thinks Trump will win, for example, California, Hawaii, and New York.
Only a troll pretends Trump will win California, Hawaii, and New York.
The alternative is you are a poorly programmed bot. You think it's an insult when we call you a bot. It's actually the least derogatory interpretation of your comments, like this one, that are aggressively stupid and ridiculously partisan.
Weird. I was thinking only a moron would vote for that psuedo communist failure Harris. But as to her potential popular support in presidential politics, I guess we could look to her primary performance. Remind me again, how'd she do in 2020? And I confess, I'm having a little difficulty finding her 2024 results. Strange. Almost like she never participated.
Bot glitching again?
When I point out it is stupid to say Trump will win every state, bot short-circuits and starts complaining about the 2024 Democratic Party's selection process. This sort of non sequitur spouting random and irrelevant to the conversation right wing talking points is why you are a suspected bot.
Just parrotting "bot," rather than responding to the comment is rather more indicative of being a bot. Of course, a simpleton who lacks the ability to respond might do the same. And such characteristics are also hallmarks of the average Harris supporter. So you may actually be living, breathing moron who supports Harris, and not actually a "bot." Honestly, I don't really give shit. Human or bot, still a moron Harris supporter.
She might squeak by in the District of Colored Peoples
If we don't, will you admit you're a bot?
"But you hayseeds are too stupid to see all this for what it is"
I strongly suggest that you write to all Democratic candidates and encourage them to openly express contempt of the electorate. They can call them things like clingers, deplorables, and garbage. It's a strategy sure to win elections.
Now do garbage, vermin, and human scum.
Or how Jews, African Americans, and Hispanics that don't vote for Trump should get their heads examined. Nothing shows respect for voters like calling them mentally ill if they don't vote for you does.
The economy was not "roaring" in 2016. A truly healthy economy doesn't require nearly a decade of ZIRP and trillions in central bank printing.
The brief was filled with partisan cant.
Team Trump filed this lawsuit strategically. Any judge with more intellectual integrity than the execrable Matthew Kacsmaryk would dismiss this garbage complaint sua sponte and issue an order to show cause why Rule 11 sanctions should not be imposed.
If you’re this upset now, wait until the new Trump administration justice department starts investigating the Democrat refuse for their lawfare abuses, a lot of bad actors there in a sick conspiracy to violate civil rights. Maybe you should get your resume out? I think a lot of that scunge will need some representation.
Thank you for your suggestion, but it has been nearly eight years since I have practiced law. My law license is in disability inactive status, and I am enjoying retirement. I have no plans nor any desire to seek reinstatement.
Do you think Trump's case is legitimate?
There’s a certain type of Trump fanboy that always has the knee pads out for Trump filing meritless legal cases.
Like he’s done his entire life. But for them, blatant and transparent abuse of legal process is a feature, not a bug.
Let’s see how CBS responds. I think their gross misconduct might also run afoul of federal election laws. And on the topic of illegally altering responses, someone might want to look at the WH attempts to rewrite ol’joe’s garbage comments.
“Illegal” doesn’t mean anything that gets your MAGA panties in a bunch.
Who could have guessed that the bot is programmed to be anti-free-speech.
Weird, this is maybe the second time in the last decade I've seen our eager-for-an-appointment host throw shade at Don's lawfare.
Seems of a piece with pollsters mysteriously converging on coin-flips and billionaire paper holders suddenly discovering they hold no opinions.
That's the smell of courage and a dedication to freedom.
Well, Prof. Volokh sure isn't likely to get a judicial appointment from a Democratic president -- he likes freedom way too much!
On the convergence to a coin flip, I don’t think that’s motivated by partisanship, but rather pollsters afraid of being alone in being wrong. Ironically, herding to a tie makes the average poller look better, but the poll average worse. An example shows how.
Take 10 pollsters whose results if not herded end up +5, +4, +2, +2, +1, +1, -1, -2, -4 and -5. The poll average is off by +0.3 with a reasonable spread and an (absolute-value) average poller error of 2.7. But with herding, the pollsters converge to +2 or +1, resulting in a poll average error of +1.5 (worse) and an average poller error also of 1.5 (better).
Yeah, Nate Silver has recently been complaining about that: He says that given the size of the error bars on the polls being released right now, compared to how close together they are, there is basically no way the pollsters aren't putting a heavy thumb on their results. They'd never be this close together if they weren't deliberately herding.
Professor Volokh's legal analysis appears to be correct, but his tone suggests that this is merely a "no harm; no foul" type of situation -- the lawsuit's not going anywhere, so what's the big deal. I should ask, where's the outrage?
There are serious issues of professional responsibility presented by members of the bar signing onto a patently frivolous complaint like this. I hope they got paid well in advance.
This is not Donald Trump's first rodeo. Trump and his then-counsel Alina Habba were sanctioned to the tune of almost $1 million for conduct similar to this in the Southern District of Florida by District Judge Donald Middlebrooks. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23580579/trump-v-clinton-sanctions-order-1m.pdf There, as here, Trump's pleadings were little more than a political screed, wholly devoid of legal or factual merit, against folks whom he claimed had wronged him. That action was also filed in a single judge division of a federal district where the judge who sits regularly is in the tank for Trump. (That action fortunately wound up assigned to a judge with a higher regard for the law than Judge Loose Cannon.)
As someone who actually practices law in Texas and has filed and litigated DTPA cases, I find this pretty outrageous and frivolous for an additional reason: Trump is not a "consumer" here under the plain language of the DTPA.
The only allegation in the petition on this issue says: "President Trump is a 'consumer' within the meaning of the DTPA, since he is an individual who sought and received CBS’s broadcast services." But the definition in the DTPA says that a consumer is "an individual, partnership, corporation, this state, or a subdivision or agency of this state who seeks or acquires by purchase or lease, any goods or services."
Trump did not acquire these "services" (what services relevant to this suit?) by lease or purchase. That should be the end of it.
People who watched the show on cable bought services. And Trump "stands in the shoes of each Texas voter". Shades of the "Je suis Charlie" movement. Great political posturing. Probably not a correct statement of American law. More like the attempt by Missouri to block the gag order against Trump by a New York court.
A professionally drafted complaint would then need to allege that CBS collected retransmission fees from Texas cable subscribers, making the subscribers indirect customers of CBS. I don't know if that is true.
I also assume that there need be some factual connection to Texas before one can bring a claim under the DTPA. Neither Trump nor CBS, of course, has any.
The Reader’s Digest version: political spin, even when false, is protected by the First Amendment.
Tell Gavin New-Scum
Deep fakes aren't political spin.
Says you! One man's "Deep Fake" is another's "Satire"
Applying intermediate scrutiny, as the Alvarez concurrence did, the question becomes whether the government’s interest in suppressing deep fakes outweighs the harm done to speech.
IMO, The harm of deep fakes is people will be convinced the statement came from the candidate, a bald-faced lie intended to deceive. Yes, the regulation can capture satirical deep fakes, but they can be easily redone without the deep fake. Thus, the former harm outweighs the latter restriction.
"The Supreme Court on Friday evening cleared the way for some voters in Pennsylvania whose mail-in ballots had been deemed invalid to cast provisional ballots in person, rejecting an appeal by Republicans not to count such votes."
Christ...here we go with the my pillow bullshit, negate all the votes election interference. Can't you hayseeds find some other country to destroy?
It was a case of Schroedinger's ballot - it didn't count as a legitimate vote when the voter didn't put the ballot in the security envelope, but when the voter tried to vote in person after being told that the vote didn't count, why, that illegitimate ballot was now legitimate and you can't vote twice.
This past weekend a Georgia judge also rejected an absurd lawsuit by Georgia republicans to forbid people from turning in absentee ballots at election offices. The GOP is simply throwing everything at the wall including the kitchen sink to try to find something to cause ballots to be tossed out — and, of course, to give them talking points when they lose tomorrow for why the results should be ignored.
A wonder that CBS is even still in the news league (are they still in the league?) they’ve been making shit up since the Walter Crankcase days, Dan Blather was even worse, and wasn't "60 Minutes" (they can't even get that right, it's maybe 38 minutes after Commercials) the ones who broke the Audi “Unintended Acceleration” Bullshit where Audi 5000’s were driving themselves into walls, homes, lakes (to be honest, the Acceleration was “Unintended” as the Idiots driving them couldn’t tell the brake from the gas pedal)
so they edited Cums-a-lot’s interview to make her appear Lucid?, next they’ll be saying “45” will put Liz Chaney in front of a Firing Squad, when her War Criminal Dad is somebody who’s actually shot somebody in front of witnesses (and didn’t go to jail), how many Firing Squads have the condemned carrying a Rifle?
Frank
It's a great irony that Trump of all people purports to sue on behalf of voters misled by false or deceptive political messages.
A better idea would be to file suit based on violation of campaign finance laws.
What law do you believe was violated?
18 U.S. Code § 600 for one, 18 U.S. Code § 609 for another, what am I, a law book?
Frank, did you read those statutes before citing them? 18 U.S.C. § 600 provides:
18 U.S.C. § 609 states:
What facts do you claim evince a violation of these statutes? Please be specific.
I am sure with a creative enough interpretation of campaign finance law, you can find a violation by CBS.
Still waiting, Frank. What facts do you claim evince a violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 600 or 609?
You are not being creative enough.
Well Frank, I see you are like too many other commenters here, none of whom has ever tried a lawsuit to a judge or a jury, who make outré assertions but, when challenged to back up what they are saying, run away like Usain Bolt.
Why am I unsurprised?
Even if there were any such violations, why on earth do you think they would be grounds for a suit? The FEC, not private citizens, enforces campaign finance laws.
Let's assume that false political statements are protected by the First Amendment, and thus even blatantly biased editing by CBS would be beyond reach of a civil claim.
Now take the next step. Suppose the news organization advertises itself as unbiased, or "giving you the unvarnished truth" or something to that effect. (I don't think 60 minutes actually does this, but other news programs do). That, to my mind, is commercial speech -- the organization is trying to promote its program and encourage viewers, which in turn leads to more ad revenue. So I think that a complaint of consumer fraud aimed at that kind of promotion would withstand First Amendment challenges.
IOW, you can lie about politics, but you can't lie about your not lying about politics. Especially if the latter is meant to promote your news business.
I'd be interested in hearing Prof. Volokh's and any other serious person's take. (I once had a client who had a similar issue with Section 230. I gave advice similar to the above, but in the end he decided not to bring a lawsuit.)
Fox: Fair and Balanced. Protected speech. Political media aren't selling products or services like other businesses. They are selling spin and spin is protected.
"Political media aren’t selling products or services like other businesses. "
Well it's not the same as selling a bag of flour or gutter cleaning services. But it's still a business.
Suppose a news organization advertises that it will air a recorded interview with some Famous Person tonight at 8 pm. Everyone tunes in, and then they say, "sorry, Famous Person declined our interview request" and so they air reruns of Howdie Doodie. You don't think that's false advertising?
Yes, if they knew ahead of time there would be no interview, that could unprotected fraud. However, that’s not the same as political spin such as “Fair and Balanced.”
Which in the law of false advertising is called "puffery." So, yes, that's a defense, but not a First Amendment defense.
Is that really settled? I had thought it was at least an open question, with a presumption that a law purporting to proscribe puffery likely would be found unconstitutional.
Political spin is a First Amendment defense because (quoting from Alavrez as Eugene did in the OP):
What if these false statements constitute in-kind contributions to political campaigns?
Then Fox News will soon be in receivership.
Federal law regulates third-party expenditures that benefit candidates or campaigns, but the definition of expenditure expressly excludes
Who do you surmise would have Article III standing, Bored Lawyer? And what would be the remedy?
Would there be actual damages? Compensatory damages may include not only out-of-pocket loss and other monetary harms, but also such injuries as "impairment of reputation . . ., personal humiliation, and mental anguish and suffering", Memphis Community School District v. Stachura, 477 U.S. 299, 307 (1986), quoting Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc., 418 U.S. 323, 350 (1974), as well as mental and emotional distress, Id., at 307, but how are those arguably present in your hypothetical?
Anyone who was fooled by the false advertising and tuned in would have standing. It would likely be brought either as a class action or a state AG seeking to enforce the state's consumer fraud laws. Damages would be minimal per person, but that's what class actions are for.
Sure, there would be a lot of other legal issues around such a suit, as there generally are in such types of suit. My point was there is a scenario where the First Amendment might not be a defense.
Reminds me of Fox News’ defense to lawsuit from Karen McDougal (another Trump fuck-buddy) against Tucker Carlson: it’s not “news”, it’s “entertainment”.
The Fox News defense was successful, on well-established 1st Amd principles. But note well, that argument was from Fox News’ lawyers.
Trump’s suit against CBS is meritless. He’s proudly used meritless litigation against people his entire life. This is a feature for him, not a bug.
GOP claims about “lawfare”? Every Trump accusation is a confession.
That is not correct; that's a left-wing distortion of what happened. Fox News has never defended any of the suits against it by saying that it was entertainment rather than news. Fox has successfully argued at times that the things it was sued for were political commentary rather than straight news reporting, and viewers knew from context that (e.g) Carlson was presenting his opinion about the news he was dicussing.
"So I think that a complaint of consumer fraud aimed at that kind of promotion would withstand First Amendment challenges."
No, Courts aren't going to come up with some objective metric of what it means to be "unbiased" or "the unvarnished truth". Those are inherently fuzzy concepts. Do they have to mention both candidates exactly the same number of times? May they not edit any interviews? Courts are going to determine what is an "unbiased" edit and what is a "biased" edit? And there's any way two people will agree?
I don't think it would even get to a First Amendment analysis as there is no way (including for standing reasons as NG points out) any such lawsuit goes anywhere.
It's like an advertiser saying, "Buy my widget because my widget is the best!" While a Kia obviously is not the best car, you can't sue Kia for telling you it is. It's opinion much like what counts as biased or what "unvarnished truth" is in a given situation. There is always context and there are multiple tradeoffs for concision and coherence in presenting the news. Literally any video shown is necessarily an incomplete and edited version of reality.
I see you'd like a world where judges decide such things, but that's just leaning hard into an authoritarian management of media. It's best if we just mock Fox News for claiming to be fair and balanced.
That might be grounds for a lawsuit by the advertisers, but how would it be grounds for a suit by viewers?
Gotcha Eugene
Of course it won't be upheld but look at how much people are talking including you.
Eugene is talking about Trump’s playground-bully tactics.
Others here voluntarily give the playground bully their lunch money, and think that the playground bully is fit to serve as president, despite Trump being old, cognitively impaired, and only able to ramble about promises of anger, revenge, and vague “I’ll give you a magic pony” solutions to complex issues he doesn’t even understand.
Why does it work? Iz mystery.
What are these playground-bully tactics that you are writing about?
Read the OP, sealion.
Ope, moved.
Oh. What was I saying? Free speech, yay. Take that, Riva.
Somewhat related Q about targeted ads: I semi-regularly get “don’t lose your law license for Donald Trump” adverts. Do y’all out there who are not lawyers get those too, or does the Zuck know too much?
Because this case makes me think about those ads, and the downsides of shilling for a sad, petty narcissist like Don the old.
The lawyers who went to the Supreme Court to ensure that gay men had a constitutional right to ejaculate into each other's bums are the ones who should be disbarred.