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Recent Political Candidate Is Public Figure for Libel Law Purposes
The allegedly libelous claims about the candidate were made three months after he lost the election; a Magistrate Judge had held the candidate was no longer a public figure, but the District Court disagreed.
From Tallman v. Miller, decided yesterday by Judge Michael Simon (D. Or.):
Tallman … lives in the city of Boardman, Oregon, in Morrow County. He owns and operates a coffee shop in Boardman called, "The Farmer's Cup." In November 2020, Tallman ran for election for the office of Mayor of Boardman but did not win. In May 2021, Tallman ran for election for a seat on the Port of Morrow Board of Commissioners but did not win. In November 2022, Tallman ran for election for a seat on the Boardman City Council but did not win. In May 2023, Tallman again ran for election for a seat on the Port of Morrow Board of Commissioners but did not win.
Miller … grew up in Boardman. In approximately April 2019, she began working at The Farmer's Cup, as a server. She was 16 years old. Tallman hired Miller and was her supervisor. Shortly after she began working for Tallman, Miller "experienced what [she] now know[s] to be highly inappropriate behaviors from a 40-year-old man toward a 16-year-old girl." [Note that these are just the plaintiff's allegations at this point, which the court is taking to be true solely for dealing with defendant's motion to dismiss. -EV] She describes that behavior in detail in her declaration.
She adds that "Tallman would only engage in these behaviors when there wasn't another adult present" and that she "did not feel safe working with Tallman." She also witnessed a friend and co-worker experience similar behavior from Tallman. In August 2019, Miller and her friend were at sports practice. They discussed Tallman's behavior and were overheard by their coach, who was a mandatory reporter under Oregon law. The coach reported what he had heard to the Boardman Police Department. Shortly thereafter, Miller, accompanied by her parents, was interviewed by the Boardman Police, who prepared a report. No charges were ever brought against Tallman. In 2022, Miller left Boardman and moved to Washington.
Another local resident (Nuñez) "either posted or shared the police report on Facebook" in August 2023, and Miller in turn reposted the material. Tallman sued for libel, and the Magistrate Judge recommended that the Court deny Miller's anti-SLAPP motion (which sought to promptly dismiss the case): Tallman, the Magistrate Judge concluded, wasn't a public official or a public figure at the time Miller wrote her Facebook post, so Tallman only had to allege that Miller's speech was negligently false, which he had sufficiently done.
But the District Court disagreed as to the public figure question. The court noted that the U.S. Supreme Court has treated candidates for office as "public figures," who must show that the speaker's statements were knowingly or recklessly false; and that this extended to recent candidates as well as current candidates:
Between November 2020 and May 2023, Tallman ran for local office four times, literally once every year in the four years that immediately preceded Miller's posting. Further, there is no evidence to suggest that but for Miller's posting in August 2023, Tallman's repeated practice of running for office every year would not have continued. Thus, in August of 2023, Tallman was still a public figure, as a recent and perennial candidate for public office, and anything that might reasonably bear on his fitness for public office, including Miller's allegations, are protected under the rule established in New York Times v. Sullivan.
The situation might be different for someone who last ran unsuccessfully for public office several decades ago and then, several decades later, was the subject of allegedly defamatory statements. Whether that person would still be a public figure raises a closer question, but it is one that the Court need not answer here. Under the undisputed facts presented, Tallman was a "general purpose" public figure in August 2023 simply by virtue of his running for various public offices in November 2020, May 2021, November 2022, and May 2023.
Because Tallman was a "general purpose" public figure in August 2023, the next question relevant to Miller's motion to strike is whether Tallman has presented sufficient evidence of "actual malice" [i.e., knowing or reckless falsehood -EV] on the part of Miller …. Because Judge Hallman did not reach that question, the Court remands this case back to Judge Hallman for consideration of that issue and anything else that may be relevant to the pending motion….
To be sure, in this instance the public figure/private figure distinction might not matter much: Its main function in such cases is to require a showing of knowing or reckless falsehood rather than negligence before the plaintiff can recover proven compensatory damages, and here it seems likely that either Miller was telling the truth (in which case she'd win regardless of whether Tallman is a public figure) or lying (in which case she'd lose regardless of whether Tallman is a public figure). To quote the Magistrate Judge,
Miller made statements of objective fact that she was sexually assaulted by Tallman, which Tallman now asserts were provably false and that Miller knew they were false. Based on this evidence, there are only two plausible inferences that can be drawn from the allegations in the complaint: Miller is lying about the alleged abuse, or she is not. If she is lying, she will have exhibited actual malice, a standard higher than negligence.
Still, the question whether plaintiff is a public or a private figure is highly relevant when the defendant is passing along others' assertions—for instance, as newspaper reporters often do—where there is a substantial chance of unreasonable but honest error on the defendant's part. And the District Court's holding that recent candidates are public figures will therefore be potentially quite important for those cases, even if it may prove less important in this one.
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Today, a lot of 40 year old men are thinking "Maybe I won't run for that office. Nah, definitely not."
But not for just this reason.
The reason we have the candidates we do is because, over the past couple decades, the decent people who would have run for civic reasons no longer do.
You're a decent person, right Grampa?
Run for office!
If a court were to come up with a test, it might look like:
1. When was the most recent time a person ran for public office?
2. What is the likelihood that she/he will do so again in the future?
2a. Has this person make statements or taken actions that suggest that a future running will or will not occur again?
2b. What was the frequency of past candidacies?
2c. What is the next reasonably anticipated date of a future candidacy?*
*Relevant, if a future run might be 6 years in the future (US senator), or 10 years in the future (some elected judges). "I ran for a judgeship in 2014, completely dropped out of public life after that failed run, but am interested in running again in 2034." sure sounds like she'd be a private figure for now . . . versus something similar to this actual case, where someone might claim, "I ran for different public offices in 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023, and sure, I might run again in 2025--but don't treat me like a public figure for right now, in 2024." (That, obviously, would be unpersuasive to almost all of us, if so claimed.)
Who is or is not a public figure may be an issue in the Central Park Five's lawsuit against Donald Trump for falsely stating that the five had killed someone and had pleaded guilty in court. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25244729/central-park-five-v-trump.pdf
One of the plaintiffs is a New York City Council Member, so he likely qualifies as a public figure. The remaining four plaintiffs were probably involuntary public figures at one time; it is less clear that they still are or were at the time of the presidential candidates' debate in Philadelphia.
In determining whether a plaintiff in a defamation action has become a limited purpose public figure, a court should first "reduce the public figure question to a more meaningful context by looking to the nature and extent of an individual's participation in the particular controversy giving rise to the defamation." Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc., 418 U.S. 323, 352 (1974).
The controversy on which Trump was weighing in was who should be elected president in November. The Central Park Five plaintiffs' participation in that particular controversy is probably limited to voting on secret ballots.
Four of the five were at the Democratic Convention to talk about their experience.
I’m ignorant of the posture of the Trump case.
But plugged into EV’s summation “and here it seems likely that either [Trump] was was telling the truth (in which case [he’d] win regardless of whether [the city councilor] is a public figure) or lying (in which case [he’d] lose regardless of whether [the city councilor is a public figure).
I’m not sure I see why the issue would be important in the Central Park case. Again, have only recently even heard there was a lawsuit.Thanks.
During the September 10, 2024 presidential debate, Donald Trump said of the five plaintiffs: “[T]hey come up with things like what she just said going back many, many years when a lot of people including Mayor Bloomberg agreed with me on the Central Park Five. They admitted – they said, they pled guilty. And I said, well, if they pled guilty they badly hurt a person, killed a person ultimately. And if they pled guilty – then they pled we’re not guilty.” https://exoneratedfiveversustrump.com/
Trump's assertions that the plaintiffs killed a person and that they pled guilty are objectively false -- no person was killed, and all five pleaded not guilty when charged with rape. They consistently maintained their innocence and were ultimately exonerated when the true perpetrator, Matias Reyes, confessed and DNA evidence confirmed that Reyes was the true perpetrator.
The culpable mental state may become important if Trump asserts that he believed his statements to be true when he made them. Any plaintiff who is a public figure would then need to show that Trump made the false statements with reckless disregard of whether they were false or not. New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254, 279-280 (1964). A private plaintiff need only show that Trump made his statements negligently. See, Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc., 418 U.S. 323 (1974).
As SCOTUS opined in Harte-Hanks Communications v. Connaughton, 491 U.S. 657, 667 (1989), reckless disregard for truth or falsity requires a public figure defamation plaintiff to show by clear and convincing evidence that the defendant must have made the false publication with a "high degree of awareness of probable falsity," Garrison v. Louisiana, 379 U.S. 64, 74 (1964), or must have "entertained serious doubts as to the truth of his publication," St. Amant v. Thompson, 390 U.S. 727, 731 (1968).
Thank you for the clarification NG.
Would the assertion that the speaker's words were not something a reasonable person would say without any basis, as no reporting was ever made that what the speaker claimed was true, and volumous detailed reporting existed to the contrary, be "clear and convincing"?
Is that something that would be contained in jury instruction?
"Would the assertion that the speaker’s words were not something a reasonable person would say without any basis, as no reporting was ever made that what the speaker claimed was true, and volumous [sic] detailed reporting existed to the contrary, be 'clear and convincing'?"
Yes and no. Determination of what a reasonable person would or would not say sounds more in negligence, which is sufficient for a private plaintiff but not for a public figure plaintiff.
A plaintiff is entitled to prove the defendant's state of mind through circumstantial evidence. Harte-Hanks Communications v. Connaughton, 491 U.S. 657, 668 (1989). The existence of widely known reports contradicting what Trump said would be probative of reckless disregard for truth or falsity. As the complaint avers at ¶67, Trump has previously made numerous public statements demonstrating that he is familiar with the Central Park assaults, the criminal case, the trials, the exoneration and the settlement with the City, and that he therefore knew that the statements he made on September 10, 2024 were false and misleading. Trump's history with the Central Park Five is set forth in detail at ¶¶68 through 84 of the complaint. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25244729/central-park-five-v-trump.pdf
Ann Coulter, who IS a lawyer, has a different version of this:
https://anncoulter.com/2024/10/23/new-jury-for-central-park-five1/
And I still don't see why an election official is any less a public figure than Sheriff Sullivan was. What happened to Rudy G was a miscarriage of justice.
Ann Coulter may be trained as a lawyer, but she makes her living as a rabble rouser/bullshit artist. The content of the article you link leads me to wonder if she has ever tried to actually persuade a judge or jury of anything.
Coulter (correctly) states that truth is a defense in a defamation action, but nothing she says thereafter indicates that Donald Trump's incendiary language is in fact true. No one was killed. None of the instant plaintiffs pleaded guilty. All were exonerated after the true culprit's confession to the rape/assault was corroborated by DNA evidence.
What happened to Rudy G was....
...just desserts for an unethical, immoral man who smeared two innocent Georgia poll workers. Maybe don't brazenly and disgustingly lie about people for your own petty political agenda if you don't want to get sued for defamation and lose. I know you, in particular, want lying to come with no cost, but that's not really a healthy thing for society or politics. There should be a cost.
For about the 270th time: you mistakenly think that Sullivan held that public figures can't sue. It did not. Even assuming that the election workers — not "election officials" — were public figures, they could sue because Giuliani knowingly lied about them.
"Trump’s assertions that the plaintiffs...pled guilty are objectively false "
Certainly true, but since they confessed and ultimately were convicted, there's an argument that the gist is true.
Uh, no.
If Donald Trump had said, "They confessed to police, and a jury found them guilty. I believe that they assaulted and raped that woman," that would not have been defamatory.
What he did say, with 67 million viewers watching, is something else entirely.
“…confessed and ultimately were convicted…”
Only, they didn’t confess. One did not confess at all. The others were beaten and otherwise coerced until they did. Those that had confessed recanted within hours.
The conviction is irrelevant, particularly in light of the much publicized fact that the conviction was wrong and the true perpetrator was found and connected to the crime by DNA.
A confession, particularly under the circumstances of their confession, is not the same as pleading guilty. The “gist” of Trump’s statement conflicts with the well-known and established facts.
Pleading guilty in open court is much different than a minor signing a confession after hours of interrogation, especially given the retraction within hours. The two aren’t the same thing. Not remotely.
Of course, the question is why it is not disqualifying for voters that a presidential candidate continue to lie about an obvious and well-established (including by DNA evidence) miscarriage of justice. The lack of integrity and character reflected by his unwillingness to admit he and the New York justice system got that one wrong is chilling. His sister is right: He lies, he is phony, and he is cruel.
This is the man you support, Twelve. Which tells me a lot about you.
What's your evidence that anyone was beaten or otherwise coerced, or recanted within hours?
And how does the fact that someone else's DNA was found show that they didn't also participate?
Salaam said, "I would hear them beating up Korey Wise in the next room", and "they would come and look at me and say: 'You realize you're next.' The fear made me feel really like I was not going to be able to make it out." -- The Guardian
In December 2002, an investigation by the Manhattan district attorney, Robert M. Morgenthau, found DNA and other evidence that the woman had been raped and beaten not by the five teenagers but by another man, Matias Reyes, a convicted rapist and murderer who had confessed to acting alone in the attack. -- The New York Times
And how does the fact that someone else’s DNA was found show that they didn’t also participate?
Well, they were convicted based on accusations and evidence that at least one of them did rape her. Given the DNA found on the victim and at the scene matched the one who confessed to acting alone and the unreliability of statements by some of the Central Park Five (who were minors and some of whom did not have parents present and who did not have the benefit of counsel), there is overwhelming evidence that they didn't participate in the rape and beating of the jogger.
That's why they are routinely referred to as "exonerated", why their convictions were vacated, and why they received a large settlement from NY.
"Salaam said, “I would hear them beating up Korey Wise in the next room”"
A single self serving statement? That's not no evidence, but it hardly establishes your claim.
"Given the DNA found on the victim and at the scene matched the one who confessed to acting alone and the unreliability of statements by some of the Central Park Five (who were minors and some of whom did not have parents present and who did not have the benefit of counsel), there is overwhelming evidence that they didn’t participate in the rape and beating of the jogger."
Testimony of a rapist isn't credible. This and the "unreliability of some statements" isn't overwhelming evidence of innocence.
Testimony of a rapist isn’t credible.
It is testimony consistent with all of the physical evidence.
This and the “unreliability of some statements” isn’t overwhelming evidence of innocence.
Well, when there is no other evidence connecting them to the crime other than their coerced (and inconsistent with each other and the known facts) statements, yeah, it kinda is. The only other evidence connecting them to the crime was consistent with literally hundreds of other people being the perpetrators.
They recanted two weeks later. I misread or mistyped or misremembered the sentence, not sure which.
My mistake. Mea culpa.
“Of course, the question is why it is not disqualifying for voters that a presidential candidate continue to lie about an obvious and well-established (including by DNA evidence) miscarriage of justice.”
Nothing is disqualifying when the other candidate is worse. And other issues, like the left’s desire to turn the education system into an indoctrination system, their desire to ruin the economy via price controls, and their lust for mutilating children, makes Trump the lesser evil.
Nothing is disqualifying when the other candidate is worse.
This ethic is how the Republican party finds itself where it is. Absolutely disgusting.
And other issues, like the left’s desire to turn the education system into an indoctrination system
Have you heard of Ron DeSantis? For starters. "The left" isn't doing that, though you can find individuals of any ideology who "desire to turn the education system into an indoctrination system." Aside from DeSantis and others trying to indoctrinate children by whitewashing America's racial history (the people enslaved learned valuable skills!), they also want (Christian) prayer in school, etc. Pretending the left is worse than the right with respect to a desire to indoctrinate is just contrary to fact.
their desire to ruin the economy via price controls
Have you heard of Donald Trump? https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-credit-card-interest-cap-10-percent-new-york-rally-4f0dd47b
and their lust for mutilating children
You're just making up stuff. This has no basis in reality.
...makes Trump the lesser evil.
It doesn't. Those are two equivalencies (at best) and a bald-faced lie.
But the original point, if you sacrifice all principle and will support a candidate no matter how corrupt and immoral so long as they are "better" in that they more align with your policy preferences, you will get corrupt and immoral candidates. The deterioration of America is on you and your ilk.
I disagree.
"the gist is true."
Truthiness!
“Truthiness!”, whatever its merits in other contexts, is a defense to defamation.
What if the girl(s) sent their information directly to others running for office? Then, they would have the legal responsibility to 'fact check.'
Revealing the accusations, or even the dismissed court case, would be malicious and for political gain . . . or find a dupe or newspaper to do the dirty work for you.
More recently, Dominion Voting Systems and two GA election workers sued for libel. A judge's summary judgment that FOX News knew the 2020 election was proven 'free & fair,' so their reporting was malicious. FOX paid Dominion $750million.
However, Dominion is a government agent, publicly registered and their company name known. In fact, Dominion's mail ballot processing and 'adjudication' methods are so proprietary and unusual that they probably drafted the 2018 legislation that 'legalized' their mail ballot processing, and the ballot harvesting that went along with it.
Dominion, a government agent managing and processing elections, was a public figure and government agent and barred from suing a news service, citizen, or legal activist.
Same with the Mother/Daughter seen passing what looked like a thumb drive between them. Observers had been removed, under pretext, but security cameras caught the handoff and Rudy Giuliani reported it.
Observers are legally required to report suspicious behavior of election workers. In lieu of observers, there was security video . . . those two workers, election agents, were constitutionally barred from suing an 'observer' for libel, the observer doing their lawful duty.
Guliani conceded he made false and defamatory per se comments about the election workers and in the Dominion vs Fox case there were internal documents from Fox employees that they knew they were making false claims.
OK Lad...now do Chemtrails.
“what [she] now know[s] to be highly inappropriate behaviors from a 40-year-old man toward a 16-year-old girl.” That’s enough to do it for libel purposes, at least if malice or some other requirements doesn’t come into play?
Suppose she leans a bit prudish and now thinks it was highly inappropriate behavior for a 40-year-old to pat a 16-year-old girl’s hair, sniff the air around her and remark on how nice she smelled and looked? Suppose he was said to “leer” at nubile girls, would that subjective impression be potentially libelous if believed by a trier of fact? Yeah, creepy to be sure, but no claim of more unequivocal boundary crossing. This is the stuff of a meritorious libel case? Would the D have been better off if she had been explicit about the specific behavior that she had deemed "inappropriate" rather than left it for people to think substantially worse of the P?
I'm impressed that you got halfway through the second paragraph before exploding with outrage. You should have read one sentence further though.
Simple -- only hire 18 year olds.
"Exploding with outrage"?! I merely wondered about the allegation itself as libel apart from the question of public figure or not, and hence possibly higher hurdle for P to overcome; "malice," etc.
Does the allegation strike P attorneys as the stuff of a winning case or does it seem weak, resting on intimations of sexual misconduct if not more to it? Would calling him a "dirty old man" be actionable, or defamatory though it may be, is it "impressionistic" rather than objective in nature, and hence more opinion rather than factual?
The “45/47” Campaign is keeping Sergeant Pepper-Waltz’s accusers (they were 16, but not female) in reserve if the Cums-a-lot cam-pain tries any bullshit after their humiliation on November 5th (and they’re going to try some bullshit)
Assuming this reserve is accurate, I'm not a fan of it, not agianst Republicans and not against Democrats
However true and painful, the "supporters helping them" are facetious shits using them for political gain.
1)If the guy did the alleged behavior, the next question would be why the police investigation failed to yield a prosecution. Would that indicate softness on crime?
2) If the guy *didn’t* do the alleged behavior, all this hair-splitting about the length of his skirt – I mean, the frequency and recency of his runs for public office – show what’s wrong with the Sullivan decision. Let the politician-plaintiff have the same rights as Joe Sixpack to defend his reputation in court. And if the plaintiff loses the case, make him pay the expenses of the defendant (“loser pays”).
“Let the politician-plaintiff have the same rights as Joe Sixpack to defend his reputation in court.”
This would potentially silence a very large percentage of the comments on this very site. The people should have more leeway in talking about those who seek to rule us.
Reform the law by requiring proof of actual injury to reputation (don’t presume damages).
Then, how exactly would (say) Donald Trump prove that he’s been libelled by a comment on this site?
The underlying concern of the court in the Sullivan case was to avoid turning *civil* libel trials into the equivalent of prosecutions under the Sedition Act of 1798. The latter had been denounced as unconstitutional by a repentant Congress long before the Supreme Court made a much belated admission that it was unconstitutional.
Requiring specific proof that defendant harmed plaintiff's reputation with a false statement about plaintiff would do much to alleviate such concerns, without denying justice to someone who was genuinely injured merely because some media outlet was so eager to get a scoop, or to attack an enemy, that it published a damaging falsehood.
Let's not forget a right guaranteed in the Founding era: the right of a person injured in person, goods *or reputation* to get a remedy in court. I don't think Madison ever challenged that right, he challenged the law of libel being unconstitutionally deformed into the crime of seditious libel.
So you agree that police commissioner Sullivan should have won (as he did at trial)?
Under a Section 320 that applied to newspapers, the NYT would have been protected from lawsuit. It was a NAACP paid ad.
Wow, that's like 180 degrees away from the truth.
Educate yourself, you silly person.
Try Anthony Lewis' history of the Sullivan case. You'll see how Sullivan would *almost certainly lose* under the standard I propose.
Iirc Anthony Lewis being a big fan of the Sullivan decision so you're going to have to do more than point to that.
I meant read the book and get the facts, assuming you're interested in that. If you're not interested in the facts of the case (as your comment indicates), further discussion would be fruitless.
Tell me briefly what facts support your conclusion, because having read Lewis it's not immediately apparent.
Of course not, since you didn’t state my position accurately.
If you read the book, you already know that Sullivan was presumed to have been libeled simply because he was accused of violating his law enforcement possibilities, without proof that his reputation had actually been harmed. But having read the book, you know that, don’t you? And you know how my proposed reform responds to that.
Lol, even if you get rid of the per se ruling "Sullivan is a racist" probably hurt his reputation.
But it was true. Or are you defending him as a racial egalitarian?
The charges against him had to do with specific police actions, and the ad got the details wrong. The question to me is whether getting those details wrong harmed his reputation, and he provided no evidence of that. The closest he came was people who said they'd have thought less of Sullivan *if* they'd believed the ad, but they didn't.
Also, Sullivan undertook to sue for criticism of the police by claiming that it was an attack on him as police commissioner. The courts should keep a skeptical eye on such attempts, since as I specifically said above, we shouldn't allow private libel suits to be substitutes for seditious libel prosecutions. If the substance is the same as the now-discredited Sedition Act, then the private suit should not be allowed.
But I think that a person who is injured *as an individual* by, say, an accusation of sexual misconduct (not connected to a government bureau he runs) should be able to have the rights of Joe Sixpack in suing for libel. In this very case, the hairsplitting on whether whether the plaintiff is *really* a public official for Sullivan purposes does little I can see to protect liberty, but of course go ahead with your apocalyptic rhetoric and your selective quotations.
I guess I’m more concerned about stifling robust debate about those like Trump (or whoever) who aim to control us than I am about damage to Trump’s (or whoever’s) reputation (he, for example, seems to be doing ok). I get YMMV.
I throw you a bone, I discuss how to protect you and other commenters from Trump, and this is what I get in return?
I don't eat bone, but, again, YMMV.
This isn't complicated. You're very concerned about reputational damage to those who would rule us ("denying justice to someone who was genuinely injured merely because some media outlet was so eager to get a scoop, or to attack an enemy, that it published a damaging falsehood."; "Let’s not forget a right guaranteed in the Founding era: the right of a person injured in person, goods *or reputation* to get a remedy in court." etc.,). I'm not much. I'm more worried about powerful persons who can easily afford to bring lawsuits against critics trying to limit vigorous public debate.
I’ll be charitable: I’ll assume that your distortions of my position are not deliberate, but are instead the result of you scarcely having two brain cells to rub together.
My quoting you is distorting? Lol.
It's called selective quotation, genius.
But let the reader compare my comments to your truncated versions which omitted material unfavorable to your position.
Those quotes aren't selective regarding what you hold important, ya goof!
The full quotations are not long, and it would have been easy for you to print the whole quotes. The fact that you didn't, but edited and distorted the quotes, speaks volumes.
Libel laws are weapons to be deployed against conservatives. Even if you accept as true that Giuliani defamed those two water buffaloes, it's not like they were successful business people or otherwise those whose reputations were worth the $150 million verdict.
Is everyone familiar with the term "Schrodinger’s Douchebag"?
That’s not a “joke”, that’s parading your racism for all to see, getting called on it, and trying to play it off as humor.
ope, totally in the wrong comment thread!