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State Threatens Media with Criminal Punishment for Spreading Supposed Health-Related Disinformation
From a letter sent by the Florida Department of Health General Counsel to a television station about this ad that supports Florida's Amendment 4:
The Florida Department of Health has been notified that your company is disseminating a political advertisement claiming that current Florida law does not allow physicians to perform abortions necessary to preserve the lives and health of pregnant women.
{The advertisement is displayed on the home page of the Amendment sponsor's website under the title "Caroline." See https://floridiansprotectingfreedom.com/. The woman featured in the advertisement states: "The doctors knew if I did not end my pregnancy, I would lose my baby, I would lose my life, and my daughter would lose her mom. Florida has now banned abortion even in cases like mine."}
This claim is categorically false. Florida's Heartbeat Protection Act does not prohibit abortion if a physician determines the gestational age of the fetus is less than 6 weeks. § 390.0111(1), Fla. Stat. After 6 weeks, an abortion may be performed if "[t]wo physicians certify in writing that, in reasonable medical judgment, the termination of the pregnancy is necessary to save the pregnant woman's life or avert a serious risk of substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman other than a psychological condition." § 390.0111(1)(a), Fla. Stat. The two-physician requirement is waived in the case of an emergency medical procedure. § 390.011(1)(b), Fla. Stat. And while 'physicians must exercise professional skill, care, and diligence to preserve the life and health of a fetus in the third trimester, "if preserving the life and health of the fetus conflicts with preserving the life and health of the pregnant woman, the physician must consider preserving the woman's life and health the overriding and superior concern." § 390.0111(4), Fla. Stat.
The advertisement is not only false: it is dangerous. Women faced with pregnancy complications posing a serious risk of death or substantial and irreversible physical impairment may and should seek medical treatment in Florida. However, if they are led to believe that such treatment is unavailable under Florida law, such women could foreseeably travel out of state to seek emergency medical care, seek emergency medical care from unlicensed providers in Florida, or not seek emergency medical care at all. Such actions would threaten or impair the health and lives of these women.
Under section 386.01, Florida Statutes, "the commission of any act, by an individual, municipality, organization, or corporation … by which the health or life of an individual, or the health or lives of individuals, may be threatened or impaired" constitutes a "sanitary nuisance." The Department of Health, upon determining the existence of such nuisance, must notify the person or persons committing the nuisance "to remove or cause to be removed the same within 24 hours." § 386.03(1), Fla. Stat. If the nuisance is not removed within the time prescribed, the Department is authorized to institute legal proceedings under section 381.0012, Florida Statutes, to obtain an injunction. § 386.03(2)(c), Fla. Stat. The Department is further authorized to "[i]nstitute criminal proceedings in the county court in the jurisdiction of which the condition exists against all persons failing to comply with notices to correct sanitary nuisance conditions." § 386.03(2)(b), Fla. Stat. Creating, keeping, or maintaining a nuisance injurious to health is a second-degree misdemeanor. § 386.051, Fla. Stat.
While your company enjoys the right to broadcast political advertisements under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution and Article I, section 4 of the Florida Constitution, that right does not include free rein to disseminate false advertisements which, if believed, would likely have a detrimental effect on the lives and health of pregnant women in Florida.
The state's theory is thus apparently that it's criminal for people to spread false information about state law that could lead to danger to life or health.
I don't think that's consistent with the First Amendment, even if limited to knowingly false statements of fact. The Supreme Court has held that "prosecutions for libel on government have [no] place in the American system of jurisprudence," regardless of whether the government thinks it can show that the statements are knowingly false: Even outright lies that damage the government's reputation are thus constitutionally protected. Likewise, the 3-Justice dissent in U.S. v. Alvarez concluded that,
[T]here are broad areas in which any attempt by the state to penalize purportedly false speech would present a grave and unacceptable danger of suppressing truthful speech. Laws restricting false statements about philosophy, religion, history, the social sciences, the arts, and other matters of public concern would present such a threat. The point is not that there is no such thing as truth or falsity in these areas or that the truth is always impossible to ascertain, but rather that it is perilous to permit the state to be the arbiter of truth.
And the 2-Justice concurrence in Alvarez endorsed this view. I would say that, under this rationale, the government can't suppress statements about the law, even if it thinks they are knowingly false, and even if the statements might lead some people to do something that undermines their health.
Recent laws dealing with misinformation in election campaigns have likewise been struck down after Alvarez. See Susan B. Anthony List v. Driehaus, 814 F.3d 466 (6th Cir. 2016); Commonwealth v. Lucas, 472 Mass. 387 (2015); 281 Care Comm. v. Arneson, 766 F.3d 774 (8th Cir. 2014); State ex rel. Public Disclosure Comm'n v. 119 Vote No! Comm., 135 Wash.2d 618 (1998). (Some decisions upheld such laws, but they came before Alvarez. In re Chmura, 608 N.W.2d 31 (Mich. 2000); State v. Davis, 27 Ohio App. 3d 65 (1985).)
To be sure, in some areas, the law can indeed police misinformation (especially knowing lies). Most obviously, if a doctor gives a patient false information that's potentially damaging to the patient's health, the doctor could be held liable for malpractice if harm results, and could be disciplined by the medical board even if harm doesn't result. Likewise, knowing lies about people or businesses can be punished under libel law and related doctrines.
Finally, the federal government has long been seen as having greater authority over broadcast television and radio (for instance, as to profanity or as to the Fairness Doctrine), and the FCC has taken the view that this extends to at least some sort of knowing falsehoods: The "broadcast hoaxes rule" provides,
(a) No licensee or permittee of any broadcast station shall broadcast false information concerning a crime or a catastrophe if:
(1) The licensee knows this information is false;
(2) It is foreseeable that broadcast of the information will cause substantial public harm, and
(3) Broadcast of the information does in fact directly cause substantial public harm.
(b) Any programming accompanied by a disclaimer will be presumed not to pose foreseeable harm if the disclaimer clearly characterizes the program as a fiction and is presented in a way that is reasonable under the circumstances.
(c) For purposes of this rule, "public harm" must begin immediately, and cause direct and actual damage to property or to the health or safety of the general public, or diversion of law enforcement or other public health and safety authorities from their duties. The public harm will be deemed foreseeable if the licensee could expect with a significant degree of certainty that public harm would occur. A "crime" is any act or omission that makes the offender subject to criminal punishment by law. A "catastrophe" is a disaster or imminent disaster involving violent or sudden event affecting the public.
But, as the Federal Communications Commission (which enforces this rule) has noted, "the Commission does not—and cannot and will not—act as a self-appointed, free-roving arbiter of truth in journalism. Even assuming for the sake of argument that Free Press's assertions regarding any lack of veracity were true, false speech enjoys some First Amendment protection, and section 326 of the Communications Act, reflecting First Amendment values, prohibits the Commission from interfering with freedom of the press or censoring broadcast communications…. [T]he Commission has applied [the broadcast hoaxes] rule narrowly in light of the substantial First Amendment concerns involved with the federal government policing the content of broadcast news."
And whatever the permissible scope of such regulations might be, the Florida Department of Health position seems to go far outside them. It applies not just to doctor-patient speech but to political advocacy aimed at the public. It applies not just to broadcasting (which in any case is generally governed by federal regulations, not state ones) but to all media. And indeed, if the Florida statute to which it's appealing is read to cover speech, it wouldn't even be limited to false statements, but could cover true statements and statements of opinion, if their spread might "threaten[] or impair[] people's "health or lives." The Department's action thus seems like an unconstitutional attempt to regulate political advocacy.
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"the government can't suppress statements about the law, even if it thinks they are knowingly false . . ."
So, knowingly telling people the wrong place to vote, or taking out an ad in a foreign language newspaper falsely stating that they can vote by internet, is protected by the First Amendment?
Yeah, that was the first thing that popped into my head, too.
That's because you idiots only retain information which fits your worldview.
I'm unclear: Did you think this was an approving remark?
I would guess Eugene would agree that it is not "perilous to permit the state to be the arbiter of truth" in your examples, and thus he would slightly walk back what appeared to be a categorical conclusion about government not being able to to suppress statements about the law.
More or less this. Where to vote is an objective fact and pertains to the procedure of voting. So outright lies about that can be regulated, discouraged, etc..
"Lies" about what a law will or won't accomplish are much less objective.
Even when they are objective, hyperbole, etc., are permitted, else Trump would forever be in legal hot water. It's dangerous to target advocacy for a candidate or a policy position for suppression, even when it's based on lies. Again, Trump regularly lies about opponents, from Obama's birth certificate to Ted Cruz's father to all manner of things about Kamala this cycle. These are things only voters really can assess and punish and too few of you care at all that he lies about Haitian immigrants stealing and "eating your dogs" or about Hurricane Helene response, FEMA relief, etc. And what DeSantis is trying to do would be no different than the federal government trying to punish Trump for those lies.
And that's setting aside that the ad doesn't even contain that sort of lie. Whether the woman featured in the ad would or would not qualify for the life/health exception is, actually, subject to evaluation based on very specific facts to which we don't have access. Moreover, even if we knew with certainty what the risks she faced were (in statistical percentage terms) does the exception kick in at 99.99% certainty of death for mother/fetus, or 99% or 90% or 66% or 51% or even 49% or 10%? It's not clear, so there is always some risk that someone with a life threatening condition (pregnancy itself being life threatening to some degree) will be prohibited by Florida's law from terminating their pregnancy and they will die as a result. That's just a fact for any law that prohibits abortion up to X weeks except to preserve the life of the mother, unless any percentage chance of death is enough to trigger the exception. But we know that's not how Florida or any reasonable person interprets the law, as the exception would swallow the law.
"So, knowingly telling people the wrong place to vote, or taking out an ad in a foreign language newspaper falsely stating that they can vote by internet, is protected by the First Amendment?"
IIUC, yes it is protected by the first amendment, unless you can show intent to prevent people from voting.
The Harris-Biden Nazi's at the DOJ put that one internet meme-maker in prison for jokes about sms voting.
IIRC they claimed he intended to prevent people from voting.
DeUseless knows any prosecution would be thrown out. But not until after election day. In the meantime a few stations may be advised by their lawyers to not take a chance. Even if it accomplishes nothing, DeUseless gets a highly visible pander to the MAGA out of it.
They might get some corrections, too, by the stations, which could save a few lives.
And you really think that's their motivation?
"The Department's action thus seems like an unconstitutional attempt to regulate political advocacy."
Oh, gird up thy loins like a man, Professor Volokh! Go for it! You meant to say
"The Department's action IS an unconstitutional attempt to regulate political advocacy."
And, at issue here, is something indisputably a lie. Actually similar to blatant lies coming from the Harris campaign. And lies from the side whining incessantly about the need to suppress mis- or dis-information.
It's all over the radio in Pennsylvania. Campaign ads accusing Republicans of doing this exact thing. They are being run by Democrat PAC's so you can't go after the candidate.
If I can trust Wikipedia, the FCC will have a majority of Democratic commissioners at least until next summer.
My, how the turn tables. First, it was "disinformation" about COVID19/vaccines being the subject of government pressure, with Republicans crying foul. Now, it's "disinformation" about the current provisions of state law being the subject of government pressure, with Republicans at the forefront. Now that we know that the tables have turned, it is clear that there were unturned tables!
One is a blatant lie,
Another is a blatant lie, though a parody (vote on Wednesday for x, vote via internet, vote via text - all obvious parodies)
Lastly there is the covid disinformation, much of which turned out to be factually correct.
do you really want the government to the arbitrator of the truth, especially given their track record during covid.
Speaking of lying and assholes...
"Another is a blatant lie, though a parody (vote on Wednesday for x, vote via internet, vote via text – all obvious parodies"
How many times are you going to repeat this lie, despite the evidence demonstrating that it was their clear intent to prevent voting and deliberately deceive people?
Pathological liar Joe_dallas, everyone. He knows the truth, but spews out lies anyway because he's a MAGA asshole who doesn't value honesty or integrity whatsoever.
If that's the case, they probably shouldn't have claimed--in writing--that their intent was exactly as has been alleged. Oops.
Yep. I'm gonna enjoy watching the free-speech rubes here tie themselves in knots over condoning government suppression of private speech on medical issues. Do your worst, hayseeds. Hobie's waiting.
"The Department's action thus seems like an unconstitutional attempt to regulate political advocacy."
It's dubious on the factual claim made too.
https://phr.org/our-work/resources/delayed-and-denied-floridas-six-week-abortion-ban/
That sounds right [insert my usual point about how the First Amendment, as currently interpreted, is wrecking America here]. But I don't think this is a case of libel on the government. It doesn't seem to me that the government is claiming its reputation is in any way harmed by these statements. So I wouldn't think that defamation case law is controlling here.
There's nothing wrong with the First Amendment...per se...just the interpretation and gloss that modern politicians give it, and crony judges allow.
A Harlan Thomas analysis of 'history and tradition' will find that there is no spot-on historical instance of the forefathers banning political speech disseminated on the device called a television promoting surgical abortions (did they have surgical abortions in 1789?)
Yeesh. Maybe pull your lips off of Kim Jong Un's butt for once.
You're the one voting for Trump, so I don't think you should be throwing North Korean stones.
In point of fact, many Florida doctors are afraid to terminate pregnancies even if necessary to save the life of the mother, even though legal, because there’s no telling what some redneck state attorney or jury might do. Women actually have been forced to carry dead fetuses to term. And even if they successfully defend themselves, the mere prospect of facing criminal charges is enough to deter them. If you’re a doctor, the safest thing is to refuse to perform the procedure even if the woman suffers as a result. So this ad is not all that dishonest in terms of practical results.
But as I’ve said before, women don’t appear to be a high priority for the fetus worshippers.
There is no basis for your nonsense garbage assertion that “many Florida doctors are afraid to terminate pregnancies even if necessary to save the life of the mother.” But even if your pro abortion lies were true, it would only mean that such doctors shouldn’t be allowed to practice in the first place. Who knows what other idiocies they would allow to affect their practice? But the capping stupidity to your rant is that you seem blissfully ignorant that many unborn female babies will be victims in future abortions. I guess the lives of baby girls aren’t a high priority for the abortion worshipers.
Riva, I have a clock that I brought back from Europe. Every hour the little door opens, the little bird comes out and talks about you.
I would question my own sanity if a sociopathic abortion advocate actually agreed with me.
I think most people here made up their minds about your sanity a long time ago.
Those voices in your head are not actually other people. Just some friendly advice. Now you all can go back to making up more pro abortion lies.
So you’re now claiming to be a voice in my head?
Not sure what voice suggested that to you but he/she/it is not very good at this. You really should just go back to more silly abortion lies. After you take your pills of course. Never forget your pills.
Congrats, Riva, just by being here you lower the average IQ here. Five points.
That’s even worse. Really lacking. Abortion lies are your strength. Stop trying to be clever. Go with what you know.
Riva, if you went with what you know, you’d never post anything.
Just charge those fetuses with Trespass Against the Person and you can call an abortion "extradition"....right?
Wuz, you’re doing it backward. The Bible says you should be as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves, not the other way around.
Well, given that I'm only citing *your* moronic assertions your retort is not as clever as you seem to think.
And I’ve corrected your repeated misstatements about what I actually said so many times that at this point I’m.no longer bothering.
But it strikes me that you clinging to a single comment made months ago and now forgotten by everyone except you may be a symptom of a deeper issue. Have you considered seeing a geriatric neurologist?
LOL! Still continuing to lie and pretend that you didn't say what you repeatedly said...and just as repeatedly doubled down on it even after other posters like Nieporent called you on your stupidity?
You're nothing if not pathological.
As for me continuing to bring it up...it and your pig-headed doubling down on it were monumentally stupid that it's something that you need to be confronted with for the rest of your miserable life unless/until such time as you develop even the tiny bit of character required to own up to it.
Fine. So make an appointment with a geriatric neurologist. If he says you’re fine, than at least that can be ruled out.
Just to be clear, I do not believe that charging a fetus with trespass against the person would be an appropriate legal action. And having plainly said so, you’re the liar if you continue to claim that I do.
See here’s the thing. I am far from the only commenter here whose words you routinely misinterpret and then call liars when they correct your misstatements. So maybe we’re not the problem.
I am far from the only commenter here whose words you routinely misinterpret and then call liars when they correct your misstatements.
Lying about others lying? How very meta....or...something.
" If you’re a doctor, the safest thing is to refuse to perform the procedure even if the woman suffers as a result."
No malpractice in Florida? Because failing to alleviate suffering based on a paranoid fear of non-existent prosecution seems to be negligent behavior.
"Women actually have been forced to carry dead fetuses to term. "
Now you are making things up.
A good faith belief that performing the procedure would be criminal is a pretty good defense to a malpractice action. And if I have a choice between being a criminal defendant versus being a civil defendant, that’s an easy choice.
And no, I’m not just making that up. There was a fairly well publicized case of it that is now featuring prominently in other ads.
But you don’t care about pregnant women anyway, except as brood mares. Who are you kidding?
What the f are you ranting about now?
"good faith belief "
But its not, that's the whole point.
"brood mares"
Neigh, I do not think of women that way. I just think the unborn child is a living human, you think it is nothing.
I think it’s not a person in the same sense you and I are persons, and even if it is, that does not give it the right to seize the body of another person.
And here’s a thought experiment. You represent a Florida doctor, up on the Panhandle which is the most conservative area of the state. You know that the local state attorney and most likely jurors would love nothing more than to make an example out of a doctor who performs an abortion. He comes to you with a woman who is carrying a dead fetus but carrying it to term doesn’t technically save her life or health. What would you tell him?
Didn’t you admit that you didn’t even vote in the last election? How can you think that and not even bother to vote on issue 1?
"Well publicized case "?
Are the Publicized facts credible?
Doubtful that the publicized facts in the ads are actually accurate
There are approx 65k doctors in Florida of which approx 5k - 10k are surgeons, Are there really no doctors out of the 5k surgeons willing to perform surgery if the mom's life is actually in danger?
Fwiw - Colin Allred is running similar BS ads in the Texas senate race.
The standard of care is what a reasonable physician would do in the circumstances. Malpractice insurers and hospitals are not going to pay on these cases on these cases and are going to have more than enough experts to opine that by following the law and waiting they followed the standard of care. Plaintiffs lawyers are going to be scrambling to find hacks to push your position because it’ll be against the overwhelming view of the medical establishment. Juries will side with the doctors. If they don’t the reviewing courts will. They are absolutely not going to open doctors and insurers up to liability on this. Are you kidding me? Going against the insurance defense bar and risking ObGyns telling Florida juries that they were following the law. If you think otherwise it’s because you don’t know anything about litigation and malpractice.
There’s no way out of this except for you to make the moral case that women (and girl’s) lives can be risked and sacrificed for this goal of protecting the unborn. Or constantly lie/ accuse literally every single one of these stories of being made up or the doctors of doing wrong.
You’ve obviously chosen the second path. This will not work long term, however because 1) the most extreme elements of your movement will publicly take the the first path, and 2) people don’t actually care what mediocre male real estate attorneys think about women’s experience with pregnancy or the obstetric standard of care. Nor should they.
I mean seriously Bob: at what point in your reviewing lease agreements did you learn more about pregnancy than a pregnant woman and her doctors?
And you've obviously chosen the path of misrepresenting the law and the facts. Women died after complications resulting from irresponsibly administered chemical abortions, not because of any state laws. No state bans lifesaving medical care. If you care so much about the lives of women, maybe you should demand better regulation of misoprostol. In fact, if you cared so much about moral cases, maybe you should reflect on the unborn lives, male and female, lost in every abortion.
Of that was an honest objection then it would swallow all of medicine but somehow it only applies when and where they need it to.
This is rich indeed. The head of the Florida Department of Health is the State Surgeon General Joseph A. Ladapo who is a veritable fountain of misinformation. See e.g., Florida’s Surgeon General Shows the Danger of Politicizing Medicine (Scientific American 3/19/24).
Scientific American become Unscientific American at least a decade ago.
https://x.com/Rob_ThaBuilder/status/1842623070990696522/photo/1
He took high school biology, folks, so he's an expert!
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/floridas-surgeon-general-shows-the-danger-of-politicizing-of-medicine/
Again reiterating my point that Scientific American became Unscientific American.
SA was correct on one point and wrong on 3-4 points. Pretty bad batting average for a periodical that is supposed to be scientific.
Cranks tend to work in isolation
Cranks tend to be paranoid and believe there is a conspiracy to coverup the truth
Cranks tend to consider themselves geniuses.
Cranks tend to regard their critics and trained experts as stupid.
One thing that’s annoying about many if not most cranks is they don’t actually commit to the crank lifestyle. Oh sure they’ll voice these broad opinions against various expert fields but they’ll still go to the doctor when they’re sick, ask lawyers for legal advice, assume that scientists know what they’re talking about outside their little pet causes, rely on knowledge generated by professionals in a million different fields for their opinion without a thought. I mean if they’re gonna be a crank, they need to commit. They should be running their own labs and experiments and clinical trials and then represent themselves when they run afoul of the law/treat their own third degree burn wounds when it all blows up. I mean after all, they’re actually smarter than the experts it shouldn’t be that hard right?.
But who would charge Ladapo with being a sanitary nuisance?
Read the SA article - Lapado got one thing wrong whereas SA accused Lapado being wrong on another 3-4 items where Lapado was correct.
Which is the one wrong thing? The claim that hydroxycholoroquine is a covid cure? I'd like to think that such a claim is a settled falsehood, that nearly everyone could agree about, but many still believe that claim to be true.
The HC curing covid was the item that SA correctly pointed out that Lapado was wrong.
He was correct on masking and vaxing children.
Wrong on measles. Wrong on mask use, wrong on the safety of vaccines, wrong on the public health measures that would have prevented deaths, serious illness and hospitalizations. Not even going to move on to the misrepresentations of research and his own experience.
My point was not whether Scientific American is a good source or not. Perhaps I chose a bad source. There are plenty of other sources on the point I made-Joseph A. Ladapo is a prime source of disinformation. Hence, the fact that his agency accuses others of disinformation is rich. Perhaps readers could address that point.
The advertisement is not only false: it is dangerous
After 5 years of omg harrassment, and being lead through discussion after discussion that harrassment, as nasty as it is, cannot be outlawed, I noticed a shift in rhetoric to “dangerous”, as in that tweet is dangerous, ban or censor or flag it!
This, of course, rhetorically piggybacked on the imminent lawlessness concept, often described as dangerous. This was in the context of struggles to free the banning of harrassment from contained domains of schools and business, and let government control of it escape into the wild.
It’s clear, in this context of censorship, the deliberate rhetorical conflation of the two continues apace.
And yes, medical lies are dangerous. Let's compare the body counts of medical lies, hell, throw in medical mistakes if you like, vs. the body counts of governments with the power to censor.
Oh.
My.
God.
Professor Volokh,
Your argument focuses on caselaw that the First Amendment trumps government’s interest in protecting its reputation.
But here the interest that Florida is asserting is completely different. It is, as I read it, that people who read and believe the publication will be deterred from seeking life/health saving abortions and hence will lose their health or lives.
This interest is at least arguably more like ones courts have found compelling and have upheld against first amendment challenges, such as laws against disseminating false information about how to vote that if believed would result in readers’ not casting a valid vote, than like the government-reputation interest you focus on that courts have not found compelling.
Could you address this point? It seems to me your argument as you have made it simply isn’t on point, if you will forgive me a red herring rebutting a straw argument, and hence doesn’t really do anything to rebut the case that Florida is actually making.