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Thoughts on the Lackey v. Stinnie Oral Argument
The Court's argument this morning in Lackey v. Stinnie showed some fractures among the justices. My prediction is that there will be a majority in favor of the petitioners, though that is not a totally confident prediction: several justices were clearly in favor of the petitioners, a couple were in favor of the respondents, and the rest asked some questions of each side that did not clearly reveal their thinking.
But the basic reason for the prediction is that the argument took place on more or less formalist territory--a statute with a term of art, a set of precedents that focus the inquiry for attorneys' fees on final judicial action, the policy decisions to depart from the American Rule being made by Congress not the Court, and the characteristics of the preliminary injunction that distinguish it within the timeline of litigation. The terrain on which the discussion happened was not about how the Court can set optimal incentives for public interest litigation. And in this case the formalist terrain is friendly for the petitioner.
There were two strong points made in favor of the respondents. One is the recently unsplit circuits--the Fourth Circuit had a bright-line rule against fee-shifting after a PI, but now that it just reversed that rule en banc (in the case below), there is no circuit that clearly takes that position. One rejoinder to that is that the various tests used are a mess. But another is that most of the circuits can get it wrong--which is probably a lesson from yesterday's argument in Royal Canin USA. Still, a strong point for respondents is the lack of support in the courts of appeals.
The other point that seemed to carry some weight for the respondents was a hypothetical from Justice Jackson where someone sues today to be able to participate in a parade tomorrow, gets a PI, and then has gotten all the relief needed, because the parade is over. Is that plaintiff a prevailing party? Some of the reasons why the plaintiff might still care about the case came out at oral argument--an annual parade, a request for damages, a declaratory judgment. But several other points are worth making.
First, in the scenario described, the plaintiff would almost certainly not get a PI because of laches in waiting to sue until the day before the parade. So part of what makes it a great hypo--the perfect fit between the PI and all of the relief that is wanted and possible--requires facts that would make a PI unlikely in the real world.
Second, there are lots of older cases saying that a preliminary injunction is never supposed to give you all the relief you want. That traditional principle isn't repeated very much by courts now. But it's a reminder of just how unmoored the PI is becoming from its "hold in place" function.
Third, the answer to the hypo is, as the attorney for the SG's office suggested, that the person who gets the PI for the parade is simply never a prevailing party. There has been no determination of the merits--no judgment of any kind. Even though the compressed timetable of the hypothetical makes it very advantageous to the plaintiff to have the PI, it is still not the relief sought. The complaint could not have been filed asking only for a PI. It would be good in the hypo for the court to consider moving up the decision on the merits to that day before the parade (either summary judgment or trial), but without that, the plaintiff is not a prevailing party.
I've pulled out those two points as the ones from the respondents that resonated the most with the justices. There is another point that a couple of the justices tended to emphasize: that a preliminary injunction is a judgment in the plaintiff's favor, and if unreversed, why is that judgment not enough for prevailing-party status? But a preliminary injunction is not a judgment at all. It is an order--just like a scheduling order or an order appointing a receiver or an order requiring a defendant to bring the disputed property into the custody of the court. Here's how I put it in The Purpose of the Preliminary Injunction (footnotes omitted):
The second feature of the preliminary injunction is that it is not determinative of any question. It is not a final judgment. It is not a decision on the merits. Its denial, like its grant, "determines nothing." This feature is related to the first one because the intermediate quality of the order means that it cannot be a final determination. Its "very purpose is to set a temporary holding pattern for the parties so that the contested legal question need not be settled right away."
The preliminary injunction, therefore, is not final with respect to fact or law. Although the district court does make findings to aid appellate review, these do not bind the court as the case progresses. The judge may change her mind about credibility and inferences, and can take a different view when considering the identical evidence at a later stage. And any legal conclusions that support or follow from the grant of a preliminary injunction are "merely provisional." The preliminary injunction is "an administrative control of an emergency situation, normally to maintain the status quo, until the court is given an opportunity at the trial to adjudicate upon the substantive merits of the cause."
It is true that a preliminary injunction may be practically decisive. By granting or denying one, the court may tip its hand and prompt the parties to settle. But many other things could be practically decisive and prompt settlement: the filing of an impressive complaint, the assignment of the case to a particular judge, a key witness's terrible deposition, a bombshell email found in discovery, the Supreme Court's grant of certiorari, a law firm added by the other side, a new accuser who steps forward—anything that might shift the case out of the uncertainty window that encourages continued litigation. Grant or denial of a preliminary injunction is a data point for attorneys who predict the outcome. It is a big data point, but legally speaking that is all.
This lacuna at the heart of the preliminary injunction—no final determination of anything—has numerous doctrinal consequences . . . .
The question about what happens to a PI after a judgment actually led to some confusion at the end, where the respondents' counsel asserted that after a judgment dismissing the case as moot that "The preliminary injunction order remains good law," suggesting that it might still be in effect unless vacated. But it is not. It is blackletter law that a preliminary injunction does not last beyond the judgment. It automatically dissolves as soon as the final judgment is entered. See U.S. ex rel. Bergen v. Lawrence, 848 F.2d 1502, 1512 (10th Cir. 1988); see also U.S. Philips Corp. v. KBC Bank N.V., 590 F.3d 1091, 1093-1094 (9th Cir. 2010) (collecting cases). In the words of Judge Frank, a preliminary injunction is "interlocutory, tentative, provisional, ad interim, impermanent, mutable, not fixed or final or conclusive, characterized by its for-the-time-beingness." Hamilton Watch Co. v. Benrus Watch Co., 206 F.2d 738, 742 (2d Cir. 1953).
One final point. There was an interesting question at the end by Justice Thomas for respondents' counsel about whether, on his theory, any other interlocutory orders would be able to justify an award of attorneys' fees. Counsel hesitated and then suggested no because Section 1292(a) singles out preliminary injunctions for special status in terms of interlocutory appealability. But that's not all Section 1292(a) highlights. It also mentions the appointment of receivers. And that's telling because the interlocutory appointment of a receiver has the same basic function as a preliminary injunction--to preserve the court's ultimate remedial options. The receiver does that by preserving the assets, while the PI does that by regulating the conduct of one or both parties. Both can be consequential steps--hence the interlocutory appeal from appointment/refusal or grant/denial--but both are also firmly interim steps (as distinguished from a final injunction or final appointment of a receiver, master, etc.). The appointment of a receiver during the litigation does not make the plaintiff a prevailing party.
I expect the petitioners will prevail. It is just a big lift for the Court to get where the respondents want to go--in tension with the justices' separation of powers instincts, and it would require rowing back in the other direction from some of the major attorneys' fees cases. Maybe the justices will reserve the question of whether any pre-statutory equitable rules about bad faith cases are still available outside the statute, like the common fund cases. Or maybe not: the justices suggested different positions on this. If the prediction is right that the plaintiffs will prevail, there will almost certainly be statements that if Congress wants to depart from the traditional meaning of "prevailing party," it can change the statute, just as it did for FOIA fee-shifting.
In my view, the petitioners' bright-line rule of no fee-shifting for PIs fits the function of the PI and the role of the Court in dealing with Congress's exceptions to the background principle of the American Rule.
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What you say makes a good deal of sense, but in the end it is probably more important that the rule be settled in some definite way rather than any particular way.
Could you explain that to this non-lawyer? My first instinct was that you're saying the matter is so inconsequential that it doesn't matter. Then I thought of electricity, where it doesn't really matter which is positive and which is negative as long as it's settled once and for all. And then I thought, wait, this is nothing permanent, these are preliminary injunctions for specific cases which vanish as soon as the case is settled.
So now I'm not at all sure what you mean. I am ignorant and asking for a free education.
I don't want to speak for him, but basically whether there is fee shifting is consequential. However, it is also a creature of statute so can change if congress wants. But because of the money at stake in the fee shifting the parties need to know what the likely application will be because that can change how much they are willing to fight. Plus at the moment there is a lot of costly litigation just on the fee shifting issue. Settling it at the least does away with that which saves money and judicial time and resources.
Thanks. I hadn't realized people were spending more money on lawyers to figure out who should pay them. I thought it would just be settled by judges or something simple.
I might suspect the lawyers are paying for this particular case out of their own pocket.
Sure, here's the Armchair Lawyer explanation.
1. Sometimes, when groups sue the government (for example, for some civil rights infringement), if the group wins the case, they can also get attorney's fees. But only if the group wins the case (depends in the law in the state). If they lose the case, the lawyers don't get fees from the state.
2. However, sometimes the case "changes" during the lawsuit. For example, if the challengers sue due to a law, but then the state eliminates the law (via the legislative process), the suit itself is now null (mooted). Now there's no winner, or loser. The challengers are happy, the offending law is gone. But the challenger's lawyers are not happy...because they can't get attorney's fees out of the state.
3. This particular case involves an "preliminary injunction" where the court put the offending law on hold, which is a sorta-temporary victory for the plaintiffs, and then the state changed the law, which mooted the entire case. But an injunction isn't winning the case, so the lawyers couldn't get their fees from the state. But the lawyers are arguing the injunction was "kinda" winning the case, so they should be able to get fees form the state.
Thanks.
Well, except that if this is how the law is applied, the challengers will not be happy because the offending law won't be gone because the lawsuit won't be filed because the attorneys know that they won't get paid.
The challengers could always, you know, pay the attorneys. Rather than rely upon the state to do it.
From the taxpayer's perspective, that's the biggest problem here. It incentivizes the filing of lawsuits because the attorneys want to get more money.
Yes, but taxpayer loss is tertiary on my list of concerns. The bigger are the unconstitutional behaviors to begin with, and the practical concerns to call government to account costs money, be it lawyers, or advertising to get the voters to take note.
That money in the first case represents the citizens defending their freedom against cavalier encroachment. Even concerns for us poor taxpayers should be seen as moral defect on the politicians, not citizens themselves defending their freedom, with, heheh, comeupp hahahaha comeupance for politicians at the next election.
" the practical concerns to call government to account costs money"
It does. There are plenty of private organizations to help out here.
What this case does, is it presents unintended consequences. The lawyers fees can get quite large (on the private side, the government lawyers are typically rather less expensive). In such a case, where a preliminary injunction is issued, now a local government has an option when it decides a law should be changed.
1. Change the law, "lose" the case, and pay the fees.
2. Fight out the case, win, and not pay the fees, then change the law.
Obviously, 1 is more effective. But the whole "fee thing" skews things.
When you get back from your tour of Oz, let me know. Do you understand how expensive suits like this are?
It only incentivizes the filing of winning lawsuits; it discourages the filing of farfetched ones. And only the subset of taxpayers who don't care if the government is acting unconstitutionally would be upset about that.
"Do you understand how expensive suits like this are?"
Oh, I understand exactly how expensive suits like this are. Or should I say "profitable"...for the lawyers. Lawyers love these types of suits where they get to shift the fees onto someone else. They're like personal injury settlements...but worse.
It's not about the case....it's not about the client...it's about how much money the lawyers can get out of the "shifted fees"...fees no one would ever pay willingly.
It’s a lot like whether we drive on the right or drive on the left. It’s much more important that we know which side to drive on and all do the same thing than that we squabble over which side of the road is the best side to drive on. Even if there is an objectively better side.
Right. What confused me is the talk of PIs being temporary and specific to the case, unlike which side of the road to drive on, which is national and permanent.
Thank you, I’m in a similar boat. Pardon me if this is a stupid question, but where is (or, is) the “American rule” written? I can’t find it in the constitution. I would like to see it rescinded, whatever the process that is required to achieve that. Any thoughts on how that would have to be done?
"a preliminary injunction is not a judgment at all. It is an order–just like a scheduling order or an order appointing a receiver or an order requiring a defendant to bring the disputed property into the custody of the court."
FRCP 54(a) states that a "'judgment' as used in these rules includes a decree and any order from which an appeal lies." Since a PI is appealable, it is, in fact, a judgment for at least some purposes.
"In my view, the plaintiffs' bright-line rule of no fee-shifting for PIs . . ."
This makes no sense. Why would plaintiffs want such a bright-line rule?
It should probably be read "petitioner" rather than "plaintiff".
Looks like the cucks are going to uphold the ghost gun rule. Fuck these people.
I posted about this in the introductory post made by Prof. Bray, but that thread never went anywhere: the framing of this question as turning on the nature of a preliminary injunction is at best misguided. Nothing about the PI process changes if the court comes out against the petitioners. This issue turns on the interpretation of the relevant fee shifting statutes — and specifically their use of the term "prevailing party" — not the nature of a PI. The Court could say, "For the purposes of those statutes, someone who obtains a PI is a prevailing party." (Obviously Congress could do the same.)
The question is, for the purposes of this statue, what is a prevailing party.
1) If someone wins a preliminary injunction, are they a prevailing party?
2) If someone wins a preliminary injunction, but then loses the case afterwards....are they still a prevailing party, in regards to the PI?
3) If the government objects to someone being let out on bail, but the plaintiffs lawyers argue successfully that the defendant should be let out, are the plaintiffs a prevailing party?
4) If the government objects to a point in a trial, but the defense successfully argues it should be overruled, are they a prevailing party in regards to the objection?
Well, I mean, the answer to any of your questions is that one could colloquially describe that person as a prevailing party in any of those cases, but the question is whether they’re a prevailing party under specific fee shifting statutes.
There is no fee shifting statute that awards fees to the prevailing party in a bail case or with respect to an evidentiary objection at trial, so whether you want to describe the person as a prevailing party in #3 or #4 is irrelevant to anything.
Similarly for #1 and #2: you can call them that if it tickles your fancy, but it’s not the fact pattern that could trigger fee shifting. The fact pattern we’re discussing is one in which the government changes the law in the person’s favor after the PI. In that case, #2 generally can’t happen — the case will be dismissed as moot¹ and therefore the government can’t win it afterwards. And #1, I would say, yes. But to the extent SCOTUS decides otherwise, Congress should amend the fee shifting statutes to make clear otherwise.
¹Note that the caselaw provides a special thumb on the scale in favor of the government here. If a private party is sued and then stops doing the thing that got it sued, the case will generally not be deemed moot. But if the government is sued, it generally will be.
" The fact pattern we’re discussing is one in which the government changes the law in the person’s favor after the PI."
That may be the fact pattern, but the question really at hand here is "what is a prevailing party" under the legal code. For the sake of argument, let's use the federal code (even though this case in particular was in Virginia). It doesn't really matter what the state does or doesn't do separate from the lawsuit (for example change the law).
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/2412
Issue is, the courts all treat that slightly differently.
Everything from a favorable judgement, to prevailing on a significant issue (and deriving some of the benefits), to a host of other items. There can be suits where BOTH parties are prevailing parties...but on different issues. For a short summary, see below.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/prevailing_party
Now if just succeeding on a preliminary injunction a "prevailing party"....regardless of what else occurs...then it opens up the doors for all sorts of shifting of fees.
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If the State repeals the law because they're afraid you're going to win in Court, then you're the "Prevailing Party".
Not only have you one, but even the opposing Party admits you've won.
The respondents should win