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Kamala Harris, Satire, and Where the Wild Things Are
[1.] California recently enacted a new law banning election-related "materially deceptive content" 120 days before and 60 days after an election. "Materially deceptive content" is defined as
audio or visual media that is intentionally digitally created or [significantly] modified, which includes, but is not limited to, deepfakes, such that the content would falsely appear to a reasonable person to be an authentic record of the content depicted in the media.
One question is: How will this affect satirical videos mocking candidates, such as this one:
This is amazing ????
pic.twitter.com/KpnBKGUUwn— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) July 26, 2024
California Gov. Gavin Newsom says the bill will make the video illegal:
I just signed a bill to make this illegal in the state of California.
You can no longer knowingly distribute an ad or other election communications that contain materially deceptive content -- including deepfakes. https://t.co/VU4b8RBf6N
— Gavin Newsom (@GavinNewsom) September 17, 2024
A newly filed lawsuit by the creator of the ad, Kohls v. Bonta, seeks a preliminary injunction against enforcing the law with respect to the ad. Who is likely to win? More broadly, how does the law treat satire?
[2.] It turns out that the legal system has had to deal with this question often. A defendant in a libel case might argue that his speech wasn't a factual accusation but satire. A defendant who is prosecuted for impersonation might argue that his speech was jocular and not serious. A defendant who is prosecuted for making a threat might likewise argue that his speech was a joke.
As a general matter, the law deals with such claims by concluding that, if a reasonable person would understand the statement as a joke, then the elements of the offense aren't present: the statement isn't a false factual assertion (for libel or impersonation purposes) and isn't a true threat (for threat purposes). There doesn't need to be some special satire defense set forth in the statute or the common law rule; rather, the requirement that a reasonable person perceive the statement as a factual assertion is an inherent part of what makes the statement punishable in the first place. The California materially deceptive content statute reflects that, when it says:
"Materially deceptive content" means audio or visual media that is intentionally digitally created or modified, which includes, but is not limited to, deepfakes, such that the content would falsely appear to a reasonable person to be an authentic record of the content depicted in the media.
If a reasonable person would see the media as a satirical alteration, rather than as straight-up reporting, then it's not "materially deceptive." And though the California statute says,
this section does not apply to an advertisement or other election communication containing materially deceptive content that constitutes satire or parody if the communication includes a disclosure stating "This has been manipulated for purposes of satire or parody" [in a size that is easily readable by the average viewer and no smaller than the largest font size of other text appearing in the visual media]
this on its face only applies to material that is materially deceptive in the first place. If a reasonable person would perceive the statement as satire, then the disclosure isn't required, because there is no "materially deceptive content" in the first place.
My favorite illustration of this comes in New Times, Inc. v. Isaacks (Tex. 2004). Before the article in that case had been written, there was a real arrest (and 5-day juvenile detention) of a 13-year-old for writing—in response to a teacher's assignment to write a "scary story" for Halloween—"a tale that described shooting a teacher and two classmates," a tale for which he "received a grade of 100, plus extra credit for reading it aloud in class." The Dallas Observer, an alt-weekly, wrote a follow-up article, which used the names of the same judge and prosecutor involved in the 13-year-old's case:
Entitled "Stop the madness," the fictitious article described the arrest and detention of "diminutive 6 year-old" Cindy Bradley, who was purportedly jailed for writing a book report about "cannibalism, fanaticism, and disorderly conduct" in Maurice Sendak's classic children's book, Where the Wild Things Are. Adjacent to the article was a picture of a smiling child holding a stuffed animal and bearing the caption, "Do they make handcuffs this small? Be afraid of this little girl." The article states that Bradley was arrested "without incident during 'story time'" at Ponder Elementary School and attributes fabricated words and conduct to Judge Darlene Whitten, District Attorney Bruce Issacks, and others.
Other false quotes and bogus factual assertions were strewn throughout the piece. Judge Whitten was said to have ordered Bradley detained for ten days at the Denton County Juvenile Detention Center while prosecutors contemplated whether to file charges. Whitten purportedly said: "Any implication of violence in a school situation, even if it was just contained in a first grader's book report, is reason enough for panic and overreaction…. It's time for you to grow up, young lady, and it's time for us to stop treating kids like children." Cindy was placed in ankle shackles "after [authorities] reviewed her disciplinary record, which included reprimands for spraying a boy with pineapple juice and sitting on her feet."
The article noted that Isaacks had not yet decided whether to prosecute Cindy and quoted him as saying, "We've considered having her certified to stand trial as an adult, but even in Texas there are some limits." Yet another fictional quote was attributed to Dr. Bruce Welch, the Ponder ISD Superintendent: "Frankly, these kids scare the crap out of me." The article claimed that school representatives would soon join several local faith-based organizations, including "the God Fearing Opponents of Freedom (GOOF)," in asking publishers to review content guidelines for children's books.
In describing Sendak's 1964 Caldecott Medal winning book, the article offered the only true quote in the entire piece:
The most controversial aspect of the book is contained in an early exchange between Max and his mother. It reads: "His mother called him 'WILD THING!' and Max said 'I'LL EAT YOU UP!' so he was sent to bed without eating anything."
The article asserts that although he had not read the book, then-governor George W. Bush purportedly "was appalled that such material could find its way into the hands of a Texas schoolchild. This book clearly has deviant, violent sexual overtones. Parents must understand that zero tolerance means just that. We won't tolerate anything." The article concludes with Cindy "scoff[ing] at the suggestion that Where the Wild Things Are can corrupt young minds. 'Like, I'm sure,' she said. 'It's bad enough people think like Salinger and Twain are dangerous, but Sendak? Give me a break, for Christ's sake. Excuse my French.'"
The Texas Supreme Court unanimously held that the article wasn't libelous, because a reasonable person wouldn't perceive it as making factual assertions about the judge and the prosecutor:
"We have long held that an allegedly defamatory publication should be construed as a whole in light of the surrounding circumstances based upon how a person of ordinary intelligence would perceive it." …
"As the relevant cases show, the hypothetical reasonable person—the mythic Cheshire cat who darts about the pages of the tort law—is no dullard. He or she does not represent the lowest common denominator, but reasonable intelligence and learning. He or she can tell the difference between satire and sincerity."
The person of "ordinary intelligence" … is a prototype of a person who exercises care and prudence, but not omniscience, when evaluating allegedly defamatory communications.
The appropriate inquiry is objective, not subjective. Thus, the question is not whether some actual readers were mislead, as they inevitably will be, but whether the hypothetical reasonable reader could be…. "The fact that real party furnished declarations of a few people who stated that they did not recognize the letter as a joke does not raise a question of fact as to the view of the average reader. The question is not one that is to be answered by taking a poll of readers but is to be answered by considering the entire context in which the offending material appears." …
"Dry irony … creates a greater risk of being misunderstood as an assertion of fact than slapstick, but nonetheless it is entitled to protection. We should hardly encourage the development of libel law that rewards low humor." … Thus, we focus on a single objective inquiry: whether the satire can be reasonably understood as stating actual fact.
This is not the same as asking whether all readers actually understood the satire, or "got the joke." Intelligent, well-read people act unreasonably from time to time, whereas the hypothetical reasonable reader, for purposes of defamation law, does not. In a case of parody or satire, courts must analyze the words at issue with detachment and dispassion, considering them in context and as a whole, as the reasonable reader would consider them.
[3.] Under this standard, the Harris video would be viewed as a satire, which is to say that "the content would [not] falsely appear to a reasonable person to be an authentic record of the content depicted in the media." The video narration begins with,
I, Kamala Harris, am your Democrat candidate for president because Joe Biden finally exposed his senility at the debate. Thanks Joe. I was selected because I am the ultimate diversity hire. I'm both a woman and a person of color. So if you criticize anything I say, you're both sexist and racist. I may not know the first thing about running the country, but remember, that's a good thing if you're a deep state puppet. I had four years under the tutelage of the ultimate deep state puppet; a wonderful mentor, Joe Biden. Joe taught me rule number one: carefully hide your total incompetence.
Any person "who exercises care and prudence"—and, I expect, virtually any person of "reasonable intelligence and learning" who "can tell the difference between satire and sincerity" can recognize that the words are so anti-Harris that they can't really be Harris's. Nor does the material become punishable whenever "some actual readers were mislead, as they inevitably will be"; the New Times court notes, for instance,
For example, earlier this year, the Beijing Evening News, in a story written by Huang Ke, reported that Congress was threatening to bolt Washington, D.C. unless it got a new, modern Capitol building, complete with retractable roof. Unfortunately, Ke's source for this information was The Onion, the satirical publication that bills itself as "America's Finest News Source." The Evening News later apologized but blamed The Onion, writing that "[s]ome small American newspapers frequently fabricate offbeat news to trick people into noticing them with the aim of making money."
According to Carol Kolb, Onion editor, "People every single day think The Onion stories are real." One piece, called "Al-Qaida Allegedly Engaging in Telemarketing," prompted the Branch County, Michigan sheriff's department to issue an urgent press release warning of the purported practice. In a similar vein, an article entitled "Chinese Woman Gives Birth to Septuplets: Has One Week to Choose" provoked prayer vigils on behalf of the six babies who would be rejected. Additionally, Deborah Norville reported on MSNBC that more than half of all exercise done in the United States happens in TV infomercials for workout machines, a "statistic" obtained from an Onion article.
That some people, even some professionals, are duped isn't enough to make the speech punishable under the reasonable person test.
[4.] Yet of course the difficulty is that different judges can have different judgments about how a reasonable person would react. In New Times, after all, the trial judge plus three appellate judges ruled against the newspaper, before the Texas Supreme Court unanimously reversed them. Here's an excerpt of the appellate panel's decision:
[Plaintiffs] Isaacks and Whitten respond that the author's use of quotes throughout the entire article, along with the use of the photograph of the alleged offending child and the fact that the article was in the "News" section with no disclaimer, are indicia from which a reasonable reader would conclude that the article purported to assert statements of actual fact.
Isaacks and Whitten also point to the article's use of fictionalized quotations attributed to relevant individuals who would likely make some kind of statement in this situation as significantly adding to the realism of the article. The Supreme Court has recognized that "quotations may be a devastating instrument for conveying false meaning." Here, quotes are attributed to the bailiff, the presiding judge, the district attorney, former Governor George W. Bush, and a representative of the ACLU.
A reasonable reader could conclude that these were the appropriate people to comment on this issue and that their quoted comments were real. Moreover, the use of the photograph and the use of quotes for fictional statements are not the only [the opinion apparently omits some words here -EV] article is both indexed and published as the lead story under the heading of "News" in a section ordinarily devoted to hard-hitting investigative news. Alongside the article there is a column noting that the article's author had recently won a Katie Award for best general news story, thereby adding credence to her credentials as a news reporter. Additionally, the article interweaves references to an actual incident in which a minor from the same city was detained for a terroristic threat stemming from a homework assignment no less than a week prior to this article's publication. Further, the Dallas Observer fails to provide any kind of disclaimer or note to the reader that the article was a parody or satire.
After examining the evidence in the light most favorable to the non-movants, we hold there is evidence raising a genuine issue of material fact that the "Stop the Madness" article fails to provide any notice to a reasonable reader that it was a satire or parody and that a reasonable reader could conclude that the article made statements of fact. Accordingly, the trial court did not err in denying the Dallas Observer's motion for summary judgment. The Dallas Observer failed to establish as a matter of law that a reasonable person would perceive or understand that the publication did not make false statements of actual fact concerning Isaacks and Whitten.
And Gov. Newsom's assertion that the Harris video is prohibited by the law highlights the uncertainty. I say the video isn't covered by the law; Newsom says it is; how certain can we be how a judge will decide?
Plus a lawsuit under the statute can be brought by any "recipient of materially deceptive content distributed in violation of this section, candidate or committee participating in the election, or elections official." How certain can a satirist be that he won't be subjected to a lawsuit by some such person—even a lawsuit that might eventually be dismissed, but that the satirist will still have to find a lawyer to defend?
This is particularly true given many people's quite sincere concern about the possibility that even a few voters might be misled. For instance, when I asked about this matter on a discussion list I'm on, one person suggested that the test should be whether it's "clear all along" that an ad is satirical. That's not the test as applied in cases such as New Times, and in any event I think that for the Harris ad the satirical quality is clear from the first sentence. But I think it highlights how some people might try to define the reasonable person down in this sort of situation.
And, more broadly, it's hard to be entirely confident how a judge will decide how a reasonable person would understand an item, especially in the heat of a partisan election campaign in which judges, being human, may have their own subconscious biases. That's especially so given that an earlier version of the law categorically exempted "satire or parody," even when it is "materially deceptive" (rather than mandating a disclosure in such situations, and making the satirical material illegal if no disclosure is provided). A court might view the change from that earlier version as a signal to read "materially deceptive" more broadly, to sweep in a considerable amount of satire.
[5.] Now of course this doesn't dispose of whether laws such as California's are a good idea. There's a risk of error in applying the reasonable person test in libel law, and thus erroneously punishing material that is actually satire—but that isn't generally seen as a reason to categorically reject libel law. Likewise, any law that aims to punish true threats of violence may end up sweeping in jokes, and put the jokesters through the criminal prosecution grinder even if they are ultimately vindicated; but that isn't generally seen as a reason to reject threats laws altogether. Perhaps we should similarly still embrace some laws forbidding intentionally deceptive election-related speech, despite the risk that some satire might inadvertently get swept in (especially if we think that on balance courts will apply the "reasonable person" test sensibly).
My point in this post, however, has been to establish what the California law (and similar ones) is not:
- It is not a categorical ban on all digitally created or modified materials ("deepfakes" or otherwise) that depicted someone doing or saying something they didn't do or say. Some satire just isn't "materially deceptive" to a "reasonable person," and thus doesn't have to have the satire disclosure under the law.
- It also doesn't give categorical protection to things that you and I might agree are satire. Court decisions may set precedents that provide more protection for satire, borrowing from some of the defamation cases (or perhaps less protection, if courts so choose). But for now, the exact scope of any protection for satire is not clear.
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We don’t see this kind of behavior by Democrats. It’s always by Trump supporters. And frequently it’s presented not as satire but as fact (for example, the supposedly drunk Nancy Pelosi).
Maybe because Republicans have a sense of humor and Democrats don't?
To my observation, Republicans generally lack a sense of humour when it comes to politics, being too easily offended by mockery of their idols, and much of what they do find funny isn't - often enough if it offends "libs" it's regarded as funny. There are or were AFAIK three "funny" right-wingers
1. PJ O'Rourke - extremely funny. Dead.
2. Dennis Miller - was funny, isn't.
3. Scott "Dilbert" Adams - was funny. Ceased to be when he went all racist.
But then, Republicans laughed at Trump mocking a disabled journalist, so maybe I'm not open minded enough.
I doubt this will be received well, as she's a truly horrible person, but I find Ann Coulter pretty funny.
Also a libertarian rather than a conservative.
Yep deepfakes are only used by trump supporters on dems
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65069316
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2019/10/09/french-charity-publishes-deepfake-of-trump-saying-aids-is-over
https://mashable.com/article/kimmel-donald-trump-baby-deepfake
"supposedly"??
like Sleepy Joe was "supposedly" Demented??
I can see it now, January 20th, "47" does the traditional meeting the outgoing POTUS at the White House and Cums-a-lot shoots him for "Breaking into her House"
You want to see some "Erection Denial"? wait until November 6, when Cums-a-lot (she's ahead by 5%! no 6%! no 7%!) loses every "Battleground" State (she may win Michigan) and the D's in every one try to pull the same shit they did in 0-16
Frank
You don't see this kind of behavior by Democrats because you choose to wear remarkably strong partisan blinders.
Newsom's a Trump supporter?
"We don’t see this kind of behavior by Democrats."
It took me two seconds to find counterexamples.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-make-antisemitism-great-again/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-crooks-fbi-photo/
In case you're new to cognitive dissonance, this is the part where you double down.
Such bad faith argumentation. I'm surprised/not surprised by it. My side's feces don't stink! #eyeroll
I'm curious how this law interacts with California's anti-SLAPP statute.
Why do we need a new law against deceptive lying about people when we already have anti-libel laws and the new law as written doesn't even cover what the politicians who wrote it wanted to target? Sounds par for the course for the hypocrite who flouted the covid restrictions he placed on everybody else and yet still is accorded a place of honor.
Is this the genius the Dems want for President after Harris?
Libel law is both more and less limited than a law proscribing deceptive lying to further a campaign. It's more limited because it requires "actual malice" when the alleged victim is a public figure (and per Hustler v. Falwell, satire is categorically protected speech). It's less limited because it applies all the time in all applications, not just to the period before a campaign and directed towards furthering (or hindering) a campaign.
It’s a you know it when you see it thing. I saw a Biden one where I was certain it was his voice, AI is dead on now, but the lips didn’t quite match up. Then let loose a stream of profanity, which was hilarious, but also showed it wasn’t real.
It’s the sober, serious ones, close enough to not obviously be fake in content, where the content is distorted to make them look bad, that’s the problem.
I’ve read warnings about AI may be used in the last few days, when there’s not enough time to effectively respond.
Sadly, we shall see.
Unfortunately, know-it-when-you-see-it standards have a high likelihood of uneven application. Regime-approved satire? "No reasonable person would think that is real." Regime-disapproved satire? "We need to protect the public from misinformation!!"
Katie Couric’s interview of members of VCDL.
Deepfake?
Deceptive?
I doubt that these content provisions cannot be turned against paid mainstream journos.
LOL!
If he could, Gavin would jail people for social media posts.
Like his commie hero Starmer over in Great Britain.
You know, where actual fascism is happening.
From Christopher Kohls' memorandum in support of a preliminary injunction, linked above:
Prof. Volokh’s point, I take it, is that we don’t even need to consider the safe harbor, because the video doesn’t fall within the definition of deceptive materials in the first place.
That rule seems silly, as it precludes giant, headline or title-like fonts. It should be something more like "at least readable". I understand they're trying to prevent ultra tiny fonts, but they can do better.
So, how far can this go?
Would we ban the absolutely silly ones and do the "Trump Sings Pokemon". Which took the low-tech approach of snipping his speeches into the children's theme song?
There was active prosecution of someone who posted a "vote by text" meme in 2016. I don't trust this to not be used selectively against political opponents.
It should be used selectively against political opponents, targeting only the ones who do stuff like that.
Wow, for once you’ve made a *brief* post and one that I can completely agree with (assuming that was sarcasm, and that you left out a “don’t” at the end there.)
EV gets this one far wrong.
Problem is, a great deal of satire is written discursively, starting out with a show of reason, then following up with narrative which goes off the rails only gradually, until, step-by-reasonable-step, it arrives at total unreason toward the end. The method is to suck in everyone, gull the gullible, and entertain the others, as they catch wise somewhere along the way, with the moment of insight coming in proportion to audience alertness. Admittedly, some will end up unalert, and become victims. The law has always called all that reasonable and legal.
Deep fake technology, plus internet publishing, plus partisan bad faith, turns that time-honored method into a public menace. Allow deep fake imitations of persons targeted, and it become child’s play to edit out the context necessary to identify satirical intent. And then to publish instead an edited clip of the target apparently saying something outlandishly stupid, or morally horrifying. Without the entire satirical context, a partisan attacker can pass that off for a reality which no one has any ready cue to conclude is in any way falsely depicted.
On that basis, the legal problem is thus transformed. The legal question is no longer whether a reasonable person considering the original publication in its entire context would recognize it as satire. The legal problem becomes whether the person who edited the clip was one of those deceived, and whether or not that means the clip-publisher is thus not responsible or liable.
A straightforward way to get around that can of worms is a law—apparently like California’s law—which categorically rules out deep fake satirical efforts targeting election candidates. Make the test three-fold: was deep fake technology used; was the result damaging to the political standing of the target; was it done in context of a currently contested election.
Note that nothing about that test would affect in any way a satire authored and presented whole, without reliance on deep fake deceptions.
Anticipating MAGA objections, think how much fun it would be for Ds to do an ad concatenating 10 or so already-familiar clips of real Trump lies and stupidities, with 2 or 3 campaign-killing deep-fake lies salted into the mix—real Trump, demanding in real-Trump voice, to confiscate guns from non-MAGA Republicans, for instance. That’s where internet publishing is headed unless laws against deep fake hoaxes get passed and enforced.
In this instance, there isn't clever editing to remove context in order to hide satire. Instead, the entire narration is fake, with three short actual clips thrown in for effect. That's (clearly, to me) satirical.
Josh R, you missed my point. Accepting your take as legally definitive sets up opportunity for someone else to edit one clip out of it, get rid of all context which suggests satire, and republish the lone clip in an attack ad as if it were real—maybe mixing it up with some well-known real stuff. Then, when legal trouble follows, shoulder shrug. It was clearly satire. Josh R is a reasonable guy, he saw it, and said so.
No, that does not follow from my comment which was limited to the facts of this case.
Josh R — That is included in the facts of this case. Accepting your take on the facts of this case as legally dispositive would open the way to do exactly as I said. I take your reply as stubborn refusal to understand what you do not want to believe.
I will broaden the context, to see if that helps. There are some political interests—and there always will be—with intent to discourage insofar as possible all public debate on national issues, and to drive voter cynicism to the highest possible levels, to keep voters home, and to suppress exchange of views among citizens.
AI expressive technology is a perfect tool to accomplish that dystopian result. Using it, a cynical enemy of public expression can inexpensively flood as many forums as it chooses to attack with automated sea lioning, threats of violence, false defamations, rude and unresponsive commentary, election hoaxes, defamation-based business models, and whatever else seems promising to discourage public participation.
Make that legally possible to do, and not only American political interests will do it, but so will foreigners, including foreign governments. Please explain how you would prevent that from happening.
If all you want to do is to deny it could happen, please do not bother to reply.
One more time: the facts of this case involve statements never made by Harris. That's not the same as editing real statements by Harris.
How about “I can’t define satire but I know it when I see it?”
Who remembers when Christopher Wray explained that he wasn’t pursuing Hillary Clinton’s security violations ’cause no reasonable prosecuter would prosecute? The problem here is that it invites election interference by an unreasonable prosecutor.
Anyway, that’s what I think.
"Who remembers when Christopher Wray explained that he wasn’t pursuing Hillary Clinton’s security violations ’cause no reasonable prosecuter would prosecute?"
Nobody.
SL is an enemy of freedom, a pathetic weasel, and a failure at everything he's ever done.
No fascist scum, you don't get to decide what people should be allowed to see. Do the world a favor and find a nice quiet place to turn into compost.
Vinni, except for liars and libelers, who would feel deprived by being denied legally a chance to put false words into an apparently real video of an opponent? That’s the kind of thing historically associated with totalitarians. Why do you like it so much?
And when you say I don’t get to decide what people should be allowed to see, you do so without any evidence that I ever either tried to do that, or claimed a right to do it. Why such anger? Why such incivility?
Also, do you even understand that false defamation is not legally protected by the 1A?
Prof. Volokh: This statute is probably constitutional, because it could reasonably be read to not cover protected speech.
Stephen Lathrop: What a dope! This statute is good because it definitely covers clearly protected speech.
Noscitur, are you sure California's law covers any speech at all? Or any other kind of publishable human expression? Is it your considered legal opinion that machines using statistical processes to concatenate words thereby utter 1A protected speech?
EV asserts the legal system has had to deal with this situation often—and then rambles off into an irrelevant discussion of satire cases unrelated to the California law. I insist that is a subject change, however inadvertent. The legal system has had to deal with this question never before.
Yes, of course it does. Recall that the governor said, both before and after signing the bill, that it was expressly designed to criminalize speech.
The legal system has never dealt with these specific laws, because they didn’t exist until a couple of days ago. That is, of course, always the case when a new law is passed. That’s why we look to how other cases turned out and the reasoning involves, and distill principles from that that we can apply to the new situation.
In this case, as Prof. Volokh correctly explains, the principles are pretty well-established and straightforward. The fact that you don’t like them doesn’t change that. (Nor is it anything but predictable, given your obsessive antipathy towards free speech.)
Not persuasive. You ignored my challenge, to repeat yourself.
And I count myself a better advocate on behalf of expressive freedom than you will ever be, until you get rid of an extremist rights interpretation guaranteed to goad political attacks on expressive freedom itself. That is not in question; you and others like you have already roused those attacks, which are ongoing.
You repeat utopian insistence for everyone on a publishing power far greater than anyone on earth has ever enjoyed, or ever can enjoy. That limitation is not because of law or policy. It is because no power on earth has capacity to deliver to anyone what you demand for everyone.
"And I count myself a better advocate"
Well, that settles things!
Absaroka — Did you enjoy the bit about my, "obsessive antipathy towards free speech?" Fuck you both.
I have been as committed an advocate for expressive freedom as this blog has seen, bar none. Internet utopians who think they do better are deluded.
The means utopians demand promise to dismantle the practical capacity necessary to accomplish free expression on the internet. Before getting that far, along the way, those methods will usher in government tyranny over private expressive freedom. That is already happening, as I predicted not long after I came to understand the practical implications of Section 230, decades ago.
I oppose all of that. Out of rights-extremist obsessiveness, internet utopians push toward making it happen. That is not in fact protective advocacy on behalf of expressive freedom. It is the ignorant, stubborn opposite.
I am out of patience with commenters who mischaracterize my commentary on purpose, including you.
"I have been as committed an advocate for expressive freedom as this blog has seen, bar none."
Convincing!
I’ve been reading your comments for years, and as best I can recall, you’ve never taken the pro-free speech side. Every time the topic of a speech restriction comes up—including when you bring it up yourself even though it doesn’t have anything to do with the discussion—you support it, and every time loosening or removing a restriction comes up, you oppose it. The fact that you’ve convinced yourself to label your position something more palatable than “anti-free speech” doesn’t change that, and never will.
You are full of shit. You hate speech. You consistently come down against all free speech, other than that of publishers. (Which you mistakenly think is a different category ) Every single debate, every single one, you come down on the side of prohibiting speech. And you do so based on the delusional notion that the way to protect speech is to prohibit it so that people don't get upset about it and try to prohibit it. And then you call the people who push back against your censorious views "utopian."
That’s why we look to how other cases turned out and the reasoning involves, and distill principles from that that we can apply to the new situation.
Would a reflective person suppose that principles which apply to human expression—laboriously created on the basis of individual experience, talent, diligence, and purpose—can be distilled to apply alike to machine output which shares none of those characteristics?
What if the machine demonstrably does have output capacity sufficient to drive all natural persons out of the activity?
And have you ever really, like, looked at your hands?
This video was made by a guy writing a script and getting an AI tool to kind of make it sound like Kamala Harris was reading it. That’s it.
Noscitur, keep dodging the practical implications of your ignorant advocacy. No one but you can make you stop. After a long interval of repeated mistakes, and a giant amount of avoidable damage to national public life, experience will teach you and your utopian ilk that you were wrong all along.
I wish I could figure out a way to be more helpful. The damage is already happening.
How do you figure? Notwithstanding the illiberal ankle biting from your corner, free speech is at its acme not only in my lifetime, not only in your lifetime, but in the history of the United States. And it’s not going anywhere any time soon.
Being concerned about the "practical implications" of certain types of speech might be reasonable, but one thing it definitely is not is pro-free-speech.
Shorter Lathrop: I don't understand the legal issues.
Nieporent — Of course I do not understand the legal issues. Neither do you, nor anyone else.
I understand these to be questions of first impression, about, for instance, the applicability of AI created speech and images to legally publishable satire. Arguably, anyone who thinks an example of that kind of activity is satire is mistaken, because satire has never previously been anything but human expressive activity. What we are talking about now is in whole or in part automated output of a machine, which has no capacity to intend anything, let alone to intend satirical expression.
What that mechanized process clearly does have capacity to do is to defraud viewers, listeners, and readers, of expectation that they are encountering reasoned human expression. And it also has capacity to create on that same fraudulent basis defamations and false-light depictions of actual persons.
If those are not permissible if uttered by a natural person, is a question whether they are permissible if uttered by a machine a legal issue you claim to understand? If so, are you confident that your understanding is some kind of settled law that I, or anyone else, ought to understand?
Do you even bother to read before you write a 50 paragraph rant?
“It turns out that the legal system has had to deal with this question often.”
(That having been said, what you think is the topic of this post is not the topic of this post. That law it is discussing is not about human vs computer generation. )
Nieporent — Try intelligence for a change. By what magic do you suppose I echoed that language without reading it.
As previously, you insist doctrinaire legal principles can be stretched past a breaking point which anyone familiar with the activity the law governs could warn you away from. That's on you. It is no way to provide wise legal counsel.
You didn't echo it; you contradicted it, without even acknowledging that it had been said. There may be some novel issues related to AI-generated content, but that's not what this law (and therefore this post) is about. Nothing is being "stretched" here. This is the routine application of existing principles.
We are not, in fact, talking about any such thing.
To be fair, he also doesn’t understand the technological issues.
Noscitur, your ignorant condescension is noted. As is your vapid willingness to publish uninformed opinion about my state of knowledge. Why couldn't I be better informed than you are, about the means to design, train, quality control, and regulate AI expressive technology?
My first desktop computer, purchased prior to the invention of the IBM PC, or, of course, the invention of the electronic spreadsheet, was one the operator had to program from scratch to make it do anything. I programmed it to perform publishing-specific business analysis which worked in a specialized way to do exactly what electronic spreadsheets later generalized. I used that computer and program in a consulting business for small-publisher clients. It accurately predicted counter-intuitive long-term business outcomes in several cases, and identified successful publishing business tactics which I would previously have overlooked.
I was awarded a U.S. patent for a computer-automated method to solve a previously intractable problem in typographic computing, before WYSIWYG was even a thing. I was for a conspicuously successful interval the managing editor of Mass High Tech magazine. I maintain to this day close contacts who go to work daily doing things in AI development you say I know nothing about.
How does that compare for technical background to your perch in a law office? Or are you retired? If those questions repeat your error, to assume I know more about you than I in fact do, of course I should be modest about that. So should you.
Because for you to become better informed you would have to first admit the things you don't understand.
I have no reason at all to doubt that you could understand these issues. But your comments here make it clear that you don’t understand them as they pertain to this law, and based on your track record I don’t think it’s very likely that you’re going to do whatever it is you need to to learn.
Ordinary intelligence ain't what it used to be.
California passes another unconstitutional law, putting taxpayers on the hook for the legal bills to get it overturned.
In other news at 11, scientists discover that water is wet and puppies are cute.
Musk's response, "I checked with renowned world authority, Professor Suggon Deeznutz, and he said parody is legal in America."
It must suck to see a major figure in your party outclassed in such a manner.
Scratch a liberal, uncover a fascist.
They think "freedom" and "rights" are limited to killing third trimester babies and sodomizing other dudes.
Your generous interpretation of the disclaimer exception is inconsistent with the text. When the disclaimer is applied, then the content cannot be "materially deceptive" under your definition. But that would render this exception meaningless and redundant, which is not permitted. Therefore the phrase "materially deceptive" must cover more than you allow; in fact it must stretch so far as to cover content even with a disclaimer. Stretched so far, it could cover anything.
Some questions, Professor.
First, would actions under this new statute would be subject to California’s SLAPP statute?
Second, who bears the burden of proof? Would the claimant bear the burden of proving material falsehood, or would the accused bear the burden of proving accuracy? By all rights, it should be the former, but as we are talking about California, one never knows.
Third, would this statue apply to selective editing of an actual event that the claimant claims take statements out of context? TV news shows like 60 minutes do this all the time. Would they now be subject to legal challenge?
Too bad the definition of materially deceptive content doesn't include false or misleading statements without any deepfake or AI requirement. It would be fun to sue every politician and public official in California.
Daily Show hardest hit.
I would not be sad for John Stewart to have to disclose every 10 seconds that he's using manipulated video footage.
The sample piece wouldn't be harmed by putting a disclosure on the "Reagan" credit scene.
A very long time ago, Mark Twain wrote a piece for a Nevada newspaper about a man who went mad and massacred his wife and nine children, with gruesome particulars. The piece was full of details that were obviously false: the alleged murderer was a well-known bachelor, his supposed "mansion" was bigger than any actual house in the state, it was in a forest between two locations that were actually the same place with no trees for miles around, and so on. The point, given at the end, was that he had been badly swindled by a "dividend-cooking" scheme ("shamefully frequent" thereabouts).
Unfortunately, nearly everyone who read the piece was so enthralled by the gore that they overlooked all the tell-tales and never got to the punch line.
Is the question whether the publisher specifically intended satire? Or is it whether people in the audience would perceive it?
In contrast with her generation, which had spent most of its time online learning to code so that it could add crude butterfly animations to the backgrounds of its weblogs, the generation immediately following had spent most of its time online making incredibly bigoted jokes in order to laugh at the idiots who were stupid enough to think they meant it. Except after a while they did mean it, and then somehow at the end of it they were Nazis. Was this always how it happened?
-Patricia Lockwood