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The Latest ProPublica Story About Ginni Thomas
ProPublica obtained a recording of a call that the First Liberty Institute held with donors. [For full disclosure, I have spoken at several First Liberty events.] As readers of this blog likely know, First Liberty has litigated landmark religious liberty cases before the Supreme Court, including Kennedy v. Bremerton School District, Groff v. DeJoy, and Carson v. Makin.
The biggest reveal is that Kelly Shackelford, the organization's longtime leader, read over the call an email he received from Ginni Thomas. Thomas praised First Liberty's efforts to oppose so-called Court "reform." And here is the quote that has generated the most attention:
"YOU GUYS HAVE FILLED THE SAILS OF MANY JUDGES. CAN I JUST TELL YOU, THANK YOU SO, SO, SO MUCH."
In the Washington Post, Ruth Marcus calls on Justice Thomas to recuse himself from any case involving First Liberty:
There isn't merely an ethics code to which the justices have voluntarily subjected themselves, albeit under duress. There's a federal law that requires justices, like all other judges, to recuse themselves in situations in which their impartiality might reasonably be questioned.
Clarence Thomas, apparently, didn't think matters rose to that level when it came to election-related cases. But how can he justify continuing to sit on cases involving First Liberty now that we know Ginni Thomas's is "SO, SO, SO" beholden to the group?
Nothing about the remark suggests that Justice Thomas is "beholden" to First Liberty. But even assuming there was merit to the claim, Marcus's charge misses the mark, wildly. Let's review some history.
First, during the New Deal, Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes wrote a letter to Congress to oppose the Court Packing bill. Yes, the presiding officer of the Supreme Court actively lobbied against the President's plan. At least until recently, Hughes's role was celebrated. If Hughes could oppose legislation, it seems far more attenuated to say a Justice's spouse cannot express an opinion in a private correspondence to a group opposing Court "reform" legislation.
Second, federal judges have lobbied Congress for pay increases. More recently, some judges have lobbied Congress for legislation to protect a judge's identity. Judges generally cannot engage in politics, except, it seems, when the politics concerns the judiciary. There are many such examples. This overt lobbying is far more serious than the spouse of a judge thanking an organization for defending the judiciary.
Third, since I am in the spirit of talking about RBG today, in June 2008 Justice Ginsburg spoke at an ACLU event and praised the organization, even as ACLU cases were pending. No recusal.
Fourth, I can tell you from experience that judges routinely express both gratitude and dismay with what people write and say about them. I've been raked over the coals by some federal judges over my writings. I've also been praised by federal judges for my writings. It goes with the territory. There was a time where the American Bar Association and other groups spoke out against efforts to "impeach Earl Warren." Do we really think Earl Warren never said "thank you"?
Here, Ginni was expressing a sentiment that is widely held, but is not commonly expressed. Where are all the "Democracy" people on the Court packing plan? Has Mike Luttig said a word about jurisdiction stripping, which Kamala Harris has endorsed? There are far too few people willing to defend the Court. And I'm not surprised that Ginni expresses her gratitude.
Finally, I presume that every word I write or speak, whether in an email, text message, or class, will one day wind up in ProPublica. Privacy, like the Constitution, is dead. And I choose my words accordingly.
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I haven’t ever even applied to law school, and yet, it’s easy to see flaws in Blackman’s arguments here.
RE: “Nothing about the remark suggests that Justice Thomas is “beholden” to First Liberty.”
But it does suggest that he might appear to be so, and that’s already unacceptable.
RE: “... during the New Deal, Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes wrote a letter to Congress to oppose the Court Packing bill. Yes, the presiding officer of the Supreme Court actively lobbied against the President’s plan. At least until recently,”
Did he then go on to rule on the constitutionality or unconstitutionality of the bill, as a member of SCOTUS, rather than recusing himself from such cases? That’s what matters.
RE: “Second, federal judges have lobbied Congress for pay increases.”
Have they also ruled on the constitutionality or unconstitutionality or permissibility or non-permissibility of the pay raises (or of the government not granting pay-raises)??? THAT’S what matters here, too.
RE: “More recently, some judges have lobbied Congress for legislation to protect a judge’s identity.”
Have they also ruled on the constitutionality or unconstitutionality of such legislation? THAT’S what matters here as well.
RE: “Judges generally cannot engage in politics, except, it seems, when the politics concerns the judiciary.”
No. The rule/guideline is that judges (and their families) should not engage in politics, when they have ruled, or are likely to hear, cases touching on the laws or politics in question. If they do engage in such politics, then they should recuse themselves from any cases which touch those laws or politics.
Come on, Josh. A ninth-grade high-school debater could likely make stronger arguments than you have made, and it wouldn’t have to be a particularly bright ninth-grade high-school debater, either.
But he chooses his words carefully! I know, because he said so! In a post that wasn't about him, but that he had to make about him, because, after all, he's Josh Blackman.
re: "it does suggest that he might appear to be so" - No, it doesn't. At least not to any reasonable observer.
re: "Did he then go on to rule on..." Way to miss the point. The point, by the way was that 1) no one preemptively called for him to recuse from such cases and 2) that's not the recusal being called for here. Marcus is calling for recusal in every case brought by the organization, not merely ones about the court-packing issue.
re: Have they also ruled on the constitutionality of ..." pay raises or judicial privacy laws? Why yes, they have at the lower court levels. I'm not sure that those specific issues have gotten up to SCOTUS.
Maybe before casting aspersions about ninth-grade debaters, you should up your own game first.
"But it does suggest that he might appear to be so, and that’s already unacceptable."
Paging Mr. Bumble...
RE: “Finally, I presume that every word I write or speak, whether in an email, text message, or class, will one day wind up in ProPublica.”
Good! Let's hope so.
RE: “Privacy, like the Constitution, is dead. And I choose my words accordingly.”
Yes, welcome to the modern world, the world of universal surveillance, where if you go from your home to any other place, your entire trip will be videotaped and entered automatically into a searchable database, and every word you post online leaves a trail. Get used to it! (I know someone who once got in trouble by refusing to accept it.)
Most likely you can’t meet your transportation needs by riding horseback either (except in certain privileged communities). And imagine trying to do your job with nothing more advanced than a quill pen and an inkwell! You’d never get off the ground.
It should surprise no one that Ruth Marcus has zero WaPo editorials stating that Juan Merchan should recuse himself from the Trump case, despite his daughter's organization raking in millions from it, or his donations to Joe Biden.
See, that's lame, and yet it's still a better attempt at whataboutism than Blackman's.
I'm actually with Justice Thomas here (and, God help me, I guess with Josh as well). Don't get me wrong; Justice Thomas is an unethical and lying sack of shit. But not here. I think his wife is able to express her own opinion on this without tainting the Justice himself. I'd not be outraged if he were to decline to recuse himself in some hypothetical future case.
You got it exactly right with your second sentence ("Justice Thomas is an unethical and lying sack of shit."). Of course, zero chance that ethics-indifferent Blackman would acknowledge any basis for such a conclusion. (Would someone remind me what he had to say about Mrs. T's encouragement of the 1/6 effort to overturn the government of the United States of America?)
But you're wrong about your first sentence. The answer there at
its simplest: "Caesar's wife."
Most modern people would consider it deeply sexist to suggest that a woman's conduct must be restricted because of her husband's position or in order to preserve his status.
Y,
Oh, I don't think any of the posters here have suggested that. I think that everyone here who thinks the "Caesar's wife must be beyond reproach" standing should apply, thinks exactly the same thing about "Cleopatra's husband." (ie, that the husband of any female Justice should also bend over backwards to avoid a conflict of interest AND, even the mere appearance of a conflict of appearance.)
You'd agree that any standard that is applied equally to the male and female spouses of Justices is, by definition, not the least bit sexist, no?
" I think his wife is able to express her own opinion on this without tainting the Justice himself. "
So what if the Justice had said it himself?
You're literally saying that judges can't speak out against court packing?
First Liberty fills the sails, Harlan Crow fills the nephew’s tuition fund and the private jet with aviation fuel, Anthony Welters fills the gas tank on the RV. And his cup is always filled with fine scotch at Bohemian Grove. Won’t someone just leave the greatest Supreme Court Justice of all time (h/t Steve C) alone??
“Biden crime family & ballot fraud co-conspirators (elected officials, bureaucrats, social media censorship mongers, fake stream media reporters, etc) are being arrested & detained for ballot fraud right now & over coming days, & will be living in barges off GITMO to face military tribunals for sedition,”
She is also entitled to this, ahem, opinion— though it does give off a certain appearance.
First Liberty fills the sails, Harlan Crow fills the nephew’s tuition fund and the private jet with aviation fuel, Anthony Welters fills the gas tank on the RV. And his cup is always filled with fine scotch at Bohemian Grove.
When was the last time Harlan Crowe, or a company in which he has a controlling share, was a witness (let alone a party) in a casde thaty reached the doorsteps of the Supreme Court?
When was the last time someone bought your moms house and let her live there rent free?
What does that have to do with anything?
Because the appearance of impropriety doesn’t just extend to taking gifts from people with active matters before the court. Do I really have to spell this out?
When was the last time you got a 200k+ loan for an RV forgiven and then failed to claim it on your taxes?
Sort of like Clarence getting a jet ride down to Texas to see James Ho take his judicial oath in Harlan’s Nazi memorabilia museum. Was Ho’s hand on a bible or the original signed copy of Mein Kampf? I see no problems here
Oh, let's see what Harlan Crow's fields of interest are:
Real Estate
Banking
Imminent Domain
Republican Political Goals
(I'd be guessing if I also said 'insurrection'. But we're all adults here...what are the odds?)
LOL, imminent domain.
Maybe that means he's going to get his own website, any day now.
Well, Trump's people can always appeal Merchan's rulings.
Privacy, like the Constitution, is dead.
And suddenly, just like that, Josh is lamenting the end of Roe along with the rest of us.
lol
I would say that this post is some impressive whataboutting… but it isn’t. It’s just a really sad pathetic attempt at whataboutting. “What about Charles Evans Hughes?” If I didn’t know better, I’d think Blackman was trying to make Thomas look bad.
Although "Whatabout what Earl Warren might have hypothetically said?" is even funnier.
What is wrong with jurisdiction stripping?
Everyone knows that the death penalty takes too long because of judicial sabotage.
What would be wrong with stripping federal courts of Habeas corpus jurisdiction over state death sentences?
What would be wrong with stripping federal courts of Habeas corpus jurisdiction over state death sentences?
Morally or legally? From a moral perspective, because state courts, particularly in the South I think, are quite willing to permit the conviction and execution of innocents no doubt pour encourage les autres. The AEDPA is bad enough as it is.
Legally, because the Constitution.
So jurisdiction stripping is unconstitutional?
RTFC
And you support judicial murder, evidently.
Courts have, in fact, provided downright incorrect death sentences to people who are clearly innocent, based for example on bogus forensic evidence or induced false confessions.
I think habeas jurisdiction should be reformed and streamlined. For example, I think there should be a greater focus on evidence of innocence versus trial error. The purpose of habeas jurisdiction should be more a check on an objectively unfair result than ensuring a completely unfair process. Repeated bites at the apple should be sharply curtailed.
But habeas jurisdiction absolutely shouldn’t be eliminated. It serves a real purpose. It may be necessary in only a small fraction of the cases where it is invoked. If may often result in unnecessary delays. But it is necessary. It should be streamlined and focused and made more efficient. But it should not be eliminated.
The constitution has a Suspension Clause:
“The privelege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, except when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.”
I understand that traditionally, habeas is not applicable (at all) in cases when a prisoner has been convicted by a court possessing jurisdiction, and extension of it to cases where there are trial error is a creature of Congress. Nonetheless , our country has seen some really egregious travesties of justice comming out of courts posssessing jurisdiction.
As noted above I think it wiuld be reasonable to limit habeas for convicted prisoners to cases where the prisoner can show a travesty of justice, not just constitutional error.
The contrast with his treatment of Justice Jackson is astounding. Everything Justice Jackson says is intensely suspicious and likely downright unethical. Everything Justice Thomas or his wife says is no problem, something similar has been done before and nobody said boo.
Even if, as occurred today, he’s writing about things a less ideologically blinkered person might think similar - expressions of political opinions on the part of both. And on the same day.
Remarkable.
Yes, it is breathtaking to see Blackman mince words with Jackson and laud the insurrectionist Thomas' all in the same breath
To be fair, not everything his wife says should automatically be attributed to Justice Thomas himself.
"To be fair, not everything his wife says should automatically be attributed to Justice Thomas himself."
Oh yes it should
Josh Blackman is one of the "go to" writers on Legal subjects. As an attorney with a fifty year practice, I appreciate all the Volokh writers and contributors, just wanted to give him some special thanks.
You must be new here.
I don't understand the controversy. Wasn't RBG, just for one example, always piping up about her thoughts on abortion, and otherwise making her politics known and praising those who agree with her? This seems like a strange new world where we are going to start demanding recusals over that.
All of these topics just boil down to the fact that the left no longer has a majority on SCOTUS to do extreme left wing and unoriginalist things like find a constitutional right to abortion and homosexual marriage. Predictably, they do not respect that as a democratic result, since they do not respect the Constitution or its substance or democratic processes, so they start looking at court packing and inventing creative "ethics" issues while calling all of this this "reform." The need for "reform" is that they have a court that isn't sufficiently leftwing living constitutionalist for their liking.
All sides are living constitutionalists as it suits - including you
Ugh. Someone from a recent comments thread needs to take a bow.
It is sad that we can not only predict what JB will post about, we can also predict his take with certainty.
Hmmm... if only we could get it on Fanduel.
Apparently Ginni Thomas was writing personally, didn't use the word "beholden", and suggested nothing about Clarence Thomas himself. So I think she/they are off the hook--in this instance.
But what about the "so-called Court 'reform' remark? This, like Ginni Thomas herself, has been the subject of intense scrutiny in recent years. The SCOTUS had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into a poorly written and self-serving codes of ethics. This has actually accomplished little of worth, but there was nothing "so-called" about it. Many people still can't understand why the SCOTUS can't simply hold itself accountable to the same codes of ethics that the rest of the federal judiciary is held to. It's still judicial branch independence if they do that themselves, yes?
It's also true that judicial reform is a high-priority item for both critics and supporters of OUR courts. Personally, I think we should all be concerned to some extent about Bush v. Gore as possible judicial overreach--nine unelected Federal people interfering in the entire State of Florida's election process. And also Dobbs--nine unelected people tossing out 50 years of case law and precedent because of Alito's Christian fundamentalism.
There's nothing "so-called" about any of that. So why do so many people want to juke around the issue of the possible undue influence of billionaires giving Justices a lot of personal attention and gifts? And highly partisan organizations interacting regularly with the Justices or their partners? Are we simply crazy to believe that the Justices are human and sometimes unable to resist temptations, like the rest of us? The vast majority of us, including presidential candidates, can find ourselves in serious trouble for violating one or another code of behavior (think of a speeding ticket for example). The Justices could just announce that from now on they won't do anything they might otherwise prefer to keep secret. And keep their word, too. I'm not holding my breath for that one. But I'm sure there are some things that could be done by way of judicial reform that neither right nor left would regard as existential threats to the Republic.