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County Contractors May Be Required to Report How Many Jews (Among Other Minority Groups) They Employ
From the Wayne County (Mich.) Municipal Code; this is the county that contains Detroit:
Sec. 55-14. - Nondiscrimination by county contractors.
(1) A contractor shall, as a condition of being awarded a contract, certify in writing that it is in compliance with the provisions of Section 120-192 of the Wayne County Procurement Ordinance [which generally bans discrimination based on "race, color, creed, national origin, age, marital status, handicap, sex, religion, familial status, height or weight, or prior criminal conviction(s)"].
(2) Upon request, each prospective contractor shall submit to the County data showing current total employment by occupational category, sex and minority group and shall provide copies of its equal employment opportunity policies and procedures.
Sec. 55-6(17) defines "minority" as:
A person who is Black or African American, Native American, Alaskan native, Hispanic or Latino, Asian, Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander, Middle Eastern, Jewish or Caribbean.
The ordinance was apparently enacted in 2020. I submitted a public records request seeking to see copies of such reports, and was told that "the records do not exist," which may mean that no requests for such reports had been made so far.
UPDATE: Just to be clear, I noted Jews here because the other categories are pretty old hat. Such reports, as I understand it, are pretty standard procedure for most of the other groups; consider the EEOC EEO-1 reporting form, for instance. My sense is that Middle Easterners have been added to the list in many places, as they have recently been to the EEO-1 form. And I assumed that the Caribbean data collection is pretty closely related to the collection of data about blacks and perhaps Hispanics, though I'm not sure. (It's true that there are whites who have lived in the Caribbean for a long time, but that's true of Africa and Asia as well.)
But I've never seen any such reporting requirements include Jews before. And my sense is that, while people are pretty used to having to identify employees by race and ask them "can you please tell us which racial or broad ethnic group you belong to, for government reporting purposes" (whether or not you think that's right?), it's pretty rare for employers to ask, "Are you Jewish? We need to count Jewish employees for our government reports."
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"enacted in 20920"
When?
2020, according to the hyperlink to the county code section, which lists the enacting ordinance at the bottom of the section's text.
That year's "Wayne County Human Rights Ordinance" added Chapter 55 to the code.
Sorry, typo, fixed.
Apparently 18.9 thousand years from now.
Will man still be alive?
will Woman be defined?
Well, if the ordinance was enacted in 20920, it’s hardly shocking that it hasn’t generated any records yet…
Seriously… It being Wayne county, they may have not retained any record of them. Record keeping is notoriously bad in Wayne county at the best of times, and if they’re deliberately violating state level prohibitions against racial quotas they’d hardly want to retain evidence against themselves.
Why not make up a conspiracy out of whole cloth?
This can just be a bad policy that hasn’t been fully implemented without having to reach for more.
Look, I used to live in Michigan, many relatives lived in Wayne county. I'm telling you as a former Michiganian that Wayne county government is notorious for both lax record keeping, and stealth quotas. Or at least they were when I lived nearby.
Well, if you're telling me that you have personal vibes that this conspiracy theory of yours is extra legit, even if it looks exactly like every one of your other liberal conspiracy theories, how could I be skeptical?
No, Brett told you of his lived experience in MI. Who are you to question that? You ever live in MI? No. Then maybe you will actually learn something for a change.
Great finger wag! Surely he will heed your tut tutting and will not question authority in the future!
Interesting that your first instinct is to blindly defend a government well-known for its stupidity.
My instinct is to ask for evidence when people posit a conspiracy.
Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Ansence
No, your first instinct is to defend government.
"This can just be a bad policy that hasn’t been fully implemented without having to reach for more."
Truly, I have strapped on my white knight's armor for the government.
Sarcastr0, have you met Brett?
They actually are horrendous with records, at the register of deeds and assessors. Some of the unused industrial property in Detroit is a complete mess of unclear ownership.
"which may mean that no requests for such reports had been made so far."
It's more fun to speculate that you got a "Glomar response".
One could ask for records of all such requests that have been made. I expect that the answer would be similar: no responsive records. I'll leave it to others to speculate why there would be no such records.
Weird title construction. I wonder what motivated highlighting one particular demographic while diminishing the others as a mere aside?
Or why "Middle Eastern" but not "North African"? Prof. Bernstein might take note for future writing about racial clarifications in US law.
Such reports, as I understand it, are pretty standard procedure for most of the other groups; consider the EEOC EEO-1 reporting form, for instance. My sense is that Middle Easterners have been added to the list in many places, as they have recently been to the EEO-1 form. And I assumed that the Caribbean data collection is pretty closely related to the collection of data about blacks and perhaps Hispanics, though I'm not sure. (It's true that there are whites who have lived in the Caribbean for a long time, but that's true of Africa and Asia as well.)
But I've never seen any such reporting requirements include Jews before, and my sense is that while people are pretty used to (rightly or wrongly) having to identify employees by race and ask them "can you please tell us which racial or broad ethnic group you belong to, for government reporting purposes," it's pretty rare for employers to ask, "Are you Jewish? We need to count Jewish employees for our government reports."
If an employer is not permitted to inquire about religion or family status, how can the employer maintain statistics?
Even better, can you imagine the implications of weighing your female employees and maintaining a list of their weights? I'm not exactly sure what the legal response to that would be but there would be one, and I'm not saying that the male employees would be particularly happy about this either.
Looks like they are just copying the Federal Government. We have to use so many minority and woman owned companies to get Federal Contracts. I worked for an Aerospace Company back in the 80's. We had to have so many minorities and women employees. It got to where a guy who constantly screwed up told Management that they couldn't fire him because he was Black and that would screw up the numbers. I had a friend getting out of the Navy and told him that I could get him a job. I told him that he would be initially hired because he was Black, but, I knew that he could do the job. They hired him in a minute and fired the other guy.
I just thought of something. I wonder what the status is for a business that is owned by a biological male who identifies as a woman?
"I just thought of something. I wonder what the status is for a business that is owned by a biological male who identifies as a woman?"
IIRC California instituted a requirement for female board members a few years ago, and explicitly said no one could question the validity of any individual's self-identification at the moment the annual report is filed (corrections welcome, I'm not in CA so no motivation to track it closely).
So I imagine a scene where a boardroom of stuffy WASP males (think the brothers in 'Trading Places') are setting around asking 'OK, who has to identify as female for the next half hour?'.
There is no bottom to this particular rabbit hole. No aspect of humanity, culture, background, finances, education, or even thought itself can avoid being used as a way to discriminate.
There ought to be a law against laws that have no limiting principle.
Maybe they could come up with some identifying mark for us Jews, I don’t know, maybe a Tattoo or something, could even have us wear a Star of David on our clothing, surprised nobody’s thought of that before
Frank
We have racial/ethnic discrimination in the name of nondiscrimination. If tracking Jews helps wake up Jews to the evils of current policies, so much the better.
I've thought before that, the arbitrariness of races notwithstanding, there are other examples that are classified as "white" that also face disproportionate discrimination. Hispanic is the only example we have now, but White Middle Eastern and White Jewish would make logical sense.
Native American is a minority.
I'm a Native American and so is the majority of Americans being native born American Citizens.
I suspect the "Caribbean" category is put in at the behest of black officials of American descent. Many American blacks resent the success of Caribbean immigrants and the fact that organizations classify them as "black" thereby depriving American blacks for whose benefit affirmative action programs were implemented. With these reports (if the County were moderately competent, which may be doubted), it would be possible to determine how many American blacks were being hired.
See here for an example of what I am talking about. https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2017/10/09/cornell-students-revive-debate-whom-colleges-should-count-black
Black and African American should be two distinct labels.
Since the desire is to classify everyone into distinct boxes, Black should only be reserved for the descendants of US slaves, and I'll assume of a certain %. ( in time each percentage will have their own box to check on the form )
African American should only refer to descendants of those from Africa being free.
Now, let's further this topic into the main stream whereby Native American is broken up into its various parts. I'm Native American of English, Scotch, French - the percentages will be extracted later into more categories as demanded and determined by further acts of Congress . . . !
In the end, each person will be their own minority thus making discrimination against anyone a matter of law when determined by testing that each person is, in fact, a single person unique to themself. Then, and only then, will truth be known as to who each is and where they exist within our system of absolute identity and absolute certainty for absolute fairness.
Eric
White is a made up category, to discriminate against a true minority based on perceptions of the discriminator, in order to "legally" discriminate.
Racial categories fail in being real, but are used by those desiring to discriminate.
What happens if/when Washington demographics follow California, would whites be classified as a minority?
C'mon man, Atlanta's been (way) majority Black for decades, but are still considered "Minorities"
Well, they will redefine minority to continue to exclude Whites.
Of course we could just judge peoples by the content of their character, didn't some Black Preacher Dude say that?
Looks bad: governments making lists of where to find the jews.
Looks worse: when local Nazi group makes open records request of where to find the jews.
My late grandfather was born in Jamaica to parents who'd immigrated from what's now Lebanon. I wonder if my employer would want to check both the Caribbean and Middle Eastern boxes!
this may be a preemptive attempt to avoid confrontation over the MEO category.
Sounds like Fred Malek did in the Nixon Administration.