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Kamala Harris's Unduly Narrow View of Bodily Autonomy
She rightly backs "my body, my choice" on abortion, but goes against it on many other issues.

Vice President Kamala Harris, President Biden's likely replacement on the Democratic ticket, is known for her advocacy of abortion rights. I think she's largely right on that issue. But she - and many others - overlook the reality that bodily autonomy rationales for abortion rights also justify abolishing a wide range of other restrictions on people's rights to control their bodies. If you really believe in the principle of "My Body, My Choice," the implications go far beyond this one issue. Washington Post columnist Monica Hesse recently highlighted an episode from Harris's career that illustrates the problem:
Listen, nearly everything you need to know about the presidential candidacy of Kamala Harris can be summed up by 19 words she uttered at the 2018 confirmation hearings of Supreme Court Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh.
Harris, then a senator from California serving on the Judicial Committee, had used up several minutes trying to pin down Kavanaugh's opinion on Roe v. Wade. Like nearly every senator on the topic, she was mostly unsuccessful….
"Can you think of any laws," she asked the nominee, "that give the government the power to make decisions about the male body?"
"Um," Kavanaugh replied, furrowing his brow. "I am happy to answer a more specific question, but — "
"Male versus female," Harris offered, smiling, and when Kavanaugh still expressed confusion, she repeated her 19-word question: "Can you think of any laws that give the government the power to make decisions about the male body?"
Kavanaugh responded, "I am not thinking of any right now."
Kavanaugh got caught flat-footed here, thereby enabling Harris to score a rhetorical point. But it's not hard to think of a wide range of laws that "give the government the power to make decisions about the male body." Some of them impose constraints whose consequences are even more severe than those of abortion restrictions. I listed some of them here, noting the implications of "my body, my choice" for these policies:
1. Organ markets should be legalized. People should be free to sell kidneys, for example (subject, perhaps, to informed consent requirements). If someone wants to sell a kidney, the response to prohibitionists should be: "you can't tell her what to do with her goddamn body, ever." Your kidney is part of your body, and the decision to sell should be your choice. As an extra bonus, legalizing such sales would save many thousands of lives.
2. Laws against prostitution should be abolished. They most definitely restrict people's freedom to control their own bodies (both prostitutes and their customers). The prostitute's body belongs to her, and using it for prostitution is her choice. Prostitution bans also restrict the bodily autonomy of customers. Thus, we should reject laws that punish them, while letting the prostitutes themselves go free. The "johns" own their own bodies no less than the prostitutes do. The kind of consensual sex you engage in with your body should be your choice.
3. The War on Drugs should be abolished. All of it. Not just the ban on marijuana. Its whole purpose is to restrict what sorts of substances you can put in your body. What you put in your body should be your choice. And, like the ban on organ sales, the War on Drugs harms large numbers of people, both in the US and abroad, in countries like the Phillippines and Mexico.
4. The government should not try to control people's diets through "sin taxes," or restrictions on the size of sodas, and other such regulations. Here too, the goal is to restrict what we put in our bodies. If that leads to increased government spending on health care, the right solution is to restrict the subsidies, not bodily autonomy.
5. Draft registration, mandatory jury service, and all other forms of mandatory service should be abolished (if already in force) or taken off the political agenda (if merely proposed). All such policies literally expropriate people's bodies. What work you do with your body should be your choice.
6. We should legalize and use challenge trials for testing new vaccines against deadly diseases. The resulting earlier authorization of Covid-19 vaccines might have saved many thousands of lives. And it could save many more if we permit the use of challenge trials in the future….
8. People should be allowed to take experimental medical treatments not approved by government regulators. That's especially true if the treatments have a significant chance of saving people from death or serious illness.
With the notable exception of mandatory draft registration (which remains limited to males), these policies all constrain women, as well as men. But they are still severe restraints on bodily autonomy, including that of men. Some of them - especially the bans on organ markets and medical treatments approved by the FDA - literally kill large numbers of people.
Moreover, most of these other issues pose easier cases than abortion, where pro-lifers at least have a plausible argument that restrictions are needed to preserve the lives of innocents who did not consent to the procedure. I largely agree with the pro-choice side of the issue; but the moral status of the fetus makes abortion a comparatively difficult question. By contrast, most other restrictions on bodily autonomy - including the War on Drugs and bans on organ markets - are paternalistic in nature. They invade the bodily autonomy of consenting adults, supposedly for their own good.
Elsewhere, I have explained why efforts to distinguish these other cases are either wrong, would justify abortion bans, as well, or some combination of both. For example, the argument that bodily autonomy can be restricted when payment is involved, or when people enter into transactions in part because of poverty, can also be used to justify a wide range of abortion restrictions.
Yet, with rare exceptions, such as her commendable advocacy of marijuana legalization, Harris supports most of these other policies restricting bodily autonomy. It doesn't seem to bother her that they "give the government the power to make decisions about the…. body." In that respect, she is hardly unusual. Most other mainstream politicians take similar stances.
I am not politically naive. The obvious reason Harris and many other political leaders take contradictory stances on bodily autonomy is that abortion rights enjoy broad popularity, while most other bodily autonomy issues are either less salient, less popular, or some combination of both. Being pro-choice on abortion may well help Harris win over crucial swing-voters. Being pro-choice on organ markets or drugs other than marijuana probably won't. It could well hurt.
Right-wing politicians are also often inconsistent on bodily autonomy issues. They too prioritize political expediency.
I don't expect Harris and most other politicians to adopt a more consistent stance anytime soon. But I hope that calling attention to these contradictions might lead more people to give thought to the broader implications of arguments for bodily autonomy. The government should indeed get out of the business of exercising control over people's bodies. On that, Kamala Harris is more right than she herself is willing to admit.
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“commendable advocacy” and “Kamala” are mutually exclusive words. They don’t interset on her Venn diagram.
"Conscription" was my first thought as to that silly question.
I'll believe that glass ceiling talk is serious when they start agitating for quotas to get more female lumberjacks, fishers, and other dangerous jobs.
No man has been drafted for over 50 years.
It is still a law that "give(s) the government the power to make decisions about the male body?"
Like any Military Army would want yours
So what? Many thousands of men died fighting in wars for which they were drafted who might otherwise be alive today, even if the last draft was over 50 years ago. And the draft is a real possibility for a future war that a President Harris might very well get us into.
JD Vance gave the convention speech John Kerry should have given in 2004!! Lol!!!
"Many thousands of men died fighting in wars for which they were drafted who might otherwise be alive today..."
Just as there are so many women who would have lived had they had legal and safe abortion access. Doesn't detract from my point.
"a real possibility for a future war that a President Harris might very well get us into."
If you believe this, I have some awesome magic beans I can sell you.
As Hillary Clinton said, "Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."
Ilya Somin wants a world where America can import as many third-worlders as it can just so they can sell their body parts to the highest bidder.
He is a very, very evil man.
Well, your screen name pretty much shows how unserious you are. Can't you find a less intelligent blog to troll?
My only quibble, Hobie, is with your implication that this is an "intelligent blog." Are you sure that's an accurate assessment after reading the drivel constantly posted by Drackman, that guy who thinks Jesus had blue eyes, and a few others who apparently never made it out of middle school?
I think you're confusing schticks with actual reality. It's quite clear that neither of those guys is actually stupid, they just find pretending to be amusing.
It seems that you could use a brain. Are you just waiting for a gofundme, or how can we go about supporting your purchase?
"Can you think of any laws that give the government the power to make decisions about the male body?"
Yep, "selective service" only selects men.
Anybody can volunteer, but it takes a real man to get drafted.
The only "choice" Kween Kamala approves is the one where a baby dies.
(never thought about it until I typed that, but does it explain her support for Hamas?)
Um, it’s the law that men register for selective service, but the practice of the draft ended in 1973. Which is totally ironic, because that’s the year Roe was decided. A good year for bodily autonomy from state coercion, apparently.
You made it five paragraphs in before commenting but obviously didn't finish the rest. I think that may be a personal best for you, though, so good job.
One of Somin's most annoying rhetorical devices is his repeated use of a variant, "Liberals are inconsistent on this principle. Conservatives are inconsistent on this principle. I am not." He incessantly goes out of his way to inform us that he is the last principled man on earth, which is a huge tip-off that he is not particularly principled.
I am surely not the only one who remembers he was in favor of the COVID vaccine mandate for health workers. His actual position is, "I'm for bodily autonomy except for cases where I believe there is a more important overriding principle," which is the same position of everyone else he denounces as a hypocrite.
Was he insisting that everyone accept the COVID vaccine, or was he instead contending that virus-flouting, science-disdaining, antisocial conspiracy theorists not be entitled to spread disease as health care workers?
So would you want your elderly mother during a pandemic that had killed over a million Americans to go to a redneck hospital where no one vaccinated and they used American flags as bedding, or to one that used masks and vaccinated?
You rather missed the point. Let me see if I can dumb it down enough for you.
No sane person, liberal or conservative, believes in complete bodily autonomy in all cases, and, unlike Somin, I don't call them hypocrites. Somin always boasts how he, unlike everyone else, is "consistent" in his principles, though he, in fact, is not. Regardless, his definition of consistency is why Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote, "Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds."
Non-answer. Christ, no one here answers the hard questions when pressed. I happen to be a liberal and I believe in body autonomy in ALL cases. Your body is your own and no government should ever, EVER, tell you what to do with it. As unpleasant as my life choices may seem to you, they are mine to make
Your question wasn't "hard"; it was just stupid. But if you can’t figure out the answer, I guess you don’t get one.
You are OK with the government looking the other way as your mother dies because the medical staff wasn't vaccinated?
Without endorsing hobie's position, where infectious diseases are concerned, it's not just your own body you're making decisions for.
In (a tepid) defense of Somin, he conceded there is a case against aborion becauase some may believe “restrictions are needed to preserve the lives of innocents who did not consent to the procedure.” So, he recognizes the possibility of an overriding interest.
What he doesn’t concede however is that a draft could have an overriding interest (safety of the nation) or outlawing drugs/sin taxes too (negative impact on productivity and health care costs).
So perhaps his problem isn’t hypocrisy, but rather hubris.
I give Somin too hard a time. I give him great credit in one respect. He loudly and openly advocates for open borders, whereas most open borders advocates strenuously deny that they are open borders advocates.
I am sure he is a decent enough fellow, who, like so many had his brain broken by Trump. He is, however, the most condescending co-blogger here, and he hardly has the intellectual gravitas to condescend to anyone. Every time I read one of his posts from the ivory tower, demeaning all us rubes for our "political ignorance", I think of William F. Buckley's famous admonition that, "I would rather be governed by the first 2000 people in the telephone directory than the Harvard University faculty."
Truer now than when he first said it (if you can find a telephone directory).
As with so many others, Somin's brain has been broken by over-reliance on rationalism in politics. Head down that road and you arrive at indistinguishable forks which lead to various unworthy destinations, including authoritarianism, fascism, communism, Nazism, and libertarianism, among a great many others.
As I keep pointing out, it's not even a good rationalism, because serious libertarians pay attention to path dependence, and know that open borders, even if on the agenda, has to be the last thing you attempt, not the first, because if you achieve it first, everything else becomes impossible.
Buckley is right at the top of the hubris pyramid. That quotes reeks of dishonesty.
He was a Yalie, after all.
Abortion access is the only one of those policy proposals that has broad support. It is a social -good- that a president or presidential candidate not endorse fringe or extreme policy positions until they have been vetted and endorsed by a broad number or coalition of people. I’m ok with sacrificing some ideological consistency.
If you are for true bodily autonomy you should also be for:
no mandatory vaxx except in logical defined exceptions like maybe a doctor working with patients constantly
full legalization of prostitution
full and unlimited freedom of association in private businesses and organizations. You should be able to include or exclude anyone from your club or (nonlife critical non monopolized) services or employment for race sex or any other reason. You should free to be able to choose whatever services you provide No more slave cake baking.
opt in child support for men: Women get a cooling off period where they get to kill or dump their baby no questions asked. It is only fair that men get the same when it comes to deciding whether they want to be on the hook for 18 years.
I wonder how many of the ‘my body my choice’ crowd is intellectually consistent and in favor of this instead of being self serving hypocrites.
Prostitution being illegal is a modern WASP thing. Totally asinine like making beer illegal or outlawing marijuana!
Accusations of hypocrisy are not the best critique of demands for intellectual consistency in politics. The best critique is simply that reliance on rationalism in politics to deliver consistently good outcomes has proved as a practical matter to be folly.
“Can you think of any laws that give the government the power to make decisions about the male body?”
Sure. Abortion laws. Men can get pregnant, you know.
/sarc
I was wondering about this. Isn't Harris being "transphobic" here? Somebody should really educate her on the current talking points.
Mayor Pete, I’m preggers! The condom must have broke!?! And it’s twins!!
He's gonna have two BIPOC babies!
Chasten is straight up gangsta!! He tricked Trump and Vance into going to East Palestine and now both of them have stage 5 ball cancer. Trump was tricked into going to that toxic hellhole because his heart is bigger than his brain…sux.
Performance enhancing drugs in general.
Aromataze inhibitors, that prevent man boobs.
ED treatments being prescription only, and even the generics being subject to utterly INSANE price discrimination.
Is that a good start?
Remember, Somin was all for mandatory COVID vaccination regardless of the risk to you so he can take this body autonomy argument and stick it up his hypocritical ass.
The pro choice movement is steeped in bad faith, because they only believe in "choice" for the women, and never the men.
A basic precedent to Roe v. Wade was Skinner v. Oklahoma involving stopping the sterilization of male prisoners because it was found to be a violation of equal protection.
Griswold v. Connecticut involved the right to use birth control. It wasn't limited to men.
The overall right to privacy includes the sexual choices of men too.
The use of a man's sperm against their will to fertilize an egg would be wrong under the principles of the right to privacy.
If they truly believed in choice, men would have a choice to not have a child, and a choice not to support a child he doesn't want.
Child support laws are gender neutral and are enacted for the benefit of the child. A noncustodial parent, male or female, is typically ordered to pay support to the custodial parent, male or female.
Yes, but the courts overwhelmingly grant custody to the female, and the females are the only ones with the "choice" as to whether the child is born in the first place.
I have a suggestion. Get to know your prospective partner first. Then ask this question, "Do you do anything to keep from getting pregnant?" Smart women find that question charming. Do not hang out with the others.
With Corve's blatant racism, I can assure you that no woman is hanging out with him. Such concerns are several steps ahead of anywhere he's ever going to get.
"A basic precedent to Roe v. Wade was Skinner v. Oklahoma involving stopping the sterilization of male prisoners because it was found to be a violation of equal protection."
The habitual criminal statute in Skinner v. Ol;lahoma ex rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535 (1942), provided for sterilization by the operation of vasectomy in case of a male, and of salpingectomy in case of a female. Id., at 537. The equal protection problem was not sex based, it was rather that some felony offenses such as grand larceny triggered the statute, while other offenses of equal gravity, such as embezzlement, did not. Id., at 538-539.
I once argued, based on Skinner, that Tennessee's (since repealed) habitual criminal statutes violated equal protection because my client was sentenced to life in prison for conviction of forgery, which triggered the statute, while a conviction for uttering a forged instrument would not have triggered the enhanced punishment. The Court of Criminal Appeals did not agree. State v. Russell, 866 S.W.2d 578 (Tenn.Crim.App. 1992).
I agree with this comment. The law reached men and women.
Still, the case itself involved male prisoners.
Victoria Nourse wrote a good book on the case for those interested.
IF ….
• State compelled childbirth
.... to save ‘innocent’ lives is OK
THEN ….
• State compelled vasectomies
.... to save ‘innocent’ lives is OK
So IF the state can compel you to have life-saving treatment, THEN MUST it can compel you to take poison?
IF it can draft you as a soldier, THEN it can draft you to be used for target practice?
Any idiot can come up with “IF the state can do A, THEN it can do B” where B looks very very bad, and rhere’s no more basis for the claim than the speaker’s bare say so.
The “then” doesn’t follow from the “if” in any place but Mywag13’s overeager imagination.
Vasectomies don't tend to save lives.
Tell that to Hunter Biden. 😉
They save money. 😉
Hear hear! Finally a libertarian post on this libertarian blog
"these policies all constrain women, as well as men"
Yes. So, sort of skipping over her point. Obviously, some laws regulate what everyone can do.
The list has various complications. The organ markets, e.g., involve possibilities of abuse if there is a pure libertarian market for them. Ditto open testing of drugs or some such thing.
One or more things are the list are a bit silly. Sin taxes and talking about soda are rather far down there.
Citizens also have certain reasonable duties. Jury duty is not some threat to autonomy.
I think we should decriminalize drugs and prostitution. I don't know if VP Kamala Harris if there was a political chance of it happening, would generally oppose that.
The right to reproductive autonomy is a complex collection of concerns. It covers equality, privacy, religious liberty, and more. Many more things than the right to choose an abortion are covered & that includes what Democrats support.
Roe v. Wade itself explicitly rejected the atgument Professor Somin makes. Indeed, it could be argued the very concept of applying ownership and property principles to human beings is inconsistent with the 13th Amendment.
As Justice McLean said in hos Dred Scott dissent, “A slave is not a mere chattel. His is amenable to the laws of God and Man, and destined for an endless existence.”
It could be argued that the 13th Amendment adopted the thinking behind the Dred Scott dissent. Slavery is immoral because the idea of treating human beings as property is immoral. It doesn’t matter who the owner of the chattel is; treating human beings as chattels is the problem no matter who claims ownership of the goods.
Equal Rights for fetuses,
not special rights.
There is NO Right to exist
..... inside another Human Being.
Meh, Kameltoe isn’t even eligible to run for president. She shouldn’t even be VP. Trump didn’t pick Rubio or Haley because both are ineligible to be president. All of this was decided when no American had authority to keep Elian Gonzalez in America in 2000. Rubio could have been removed from America by his parents and nobody in America could have stopped them. Contrast that with Obama who if his father had wanted to take him back to Kenya his American mother could have prevented it.
And I thought Drackman and that guy who thinks Jesus had blue eyes are stupid. Your comment puts you in the running for this month's award for the stupidest comment on the VC.
In a closed-door Republican caucus meeting, Speaker Johnson today reportedly asked his fellow right-wing bigots to stop expressing bigotry about Vice President Harris in public.
He likely indicated he didn't mind private expressions of bigotry and that he would join in them.
Btw, has anyone actually seen her husband’s penis?? How do we know if he’s really Jewish?? All of this seems very sketchy.
You're sick. You need help.
My last comment was even worse but it didn’t go through and so I will take that as a sign. Just for the record I’m not Jewish and I’m circumcised…if any of the ladies that comment here are curious. 😉
Odds are Kamala Harris has, as has his first wife, who bore two children.
Why do you want to see it?
Did Kamala Harris object to those unprecedented orders from various public health officials who forbade public establishments from serving customers who could not provide proof of having taken ONE vaccine?
Is it just me or is he right about all of those things, with the notable exception of jury service? Every one of those things should be in the hands of the individual, not the government.
Tl;dr: Professor Somin really really really wants to serve on a jury, and he's upset that he keeps getting passed over in favor of people who don't even want to be there.
Don't blame him, it does seem like an interesting experience if you're a legal professional, but of course you can't make jurors into the proverbial mushrooms effectively if they have law degrees, so he's unlikely to ever end up on a jury.
My wife, who is a lawyer, served as a juror in a homicide case. The jury acquitted, and from what I saw of the evidence, rightly so. The experience was very interesting and I urged her to write about it, but she declined.
"But she—and many others—overlook the reality that bodily autonomy rationales for abortion rights also justify abolishing a wide range of other restrictions on people's rights to control their bodies."
Let me emphasize this.
People who support abortion rights realize bodily autonomy justifies a lot more than abortion rights.
This includes Kamala Harris. This is true even if they disagree with the OP on specific details. As I noted, abortion rights arise from a collection of concerns, but the point holds.
Also, to be clear, people generally are not absolutists on the point. Roe v. Wade itself authorized the regulation of abortions.
Ilya’s wonderful ideas for creating a nihilistic society. I’m sure when large numbers of people start destroying themselves through drug addiction, we can always get more immigrants to replace them.
Let's legalize cruelty to animals while we're at it. Animals are property after all. What right do we have to interfere with another person's use of his own property when it has no effect on us?
Kamala Harris is not a libertarian. Film at 11:00.
The entire "pro-choice" world refuses to confront the fact that there are at least two bodies involved in any pregnancy. They know that if they open that door by even the tiniest crack, it will blow their entire rationale to the four winds.
One can debate all the ways that governments can restrict bodily autonomy, but that is not the most potent objection to abortion. "A person is a person, no matter how small".
Came here to say this. thanks for beating me to it.
The pro-choice world has spent lots of verbiage to discuss personhood and what it entails. Roe v. Wade has a section on the constitutional definition of a person. Zero justices so far have firmly said a zygote/embryo/fetus etc. is one though two (maybe three)
probably are person-curious.
Also, some point that even if a person is involved, there is no obligation to give up your body to care for it. The famous violinist argument.
This is standard stuff. You can disagree with it on the merits, but that is a separate matter.
Democrats should at least be honest about their position on abortion. It has nothing to do with women's choice or "bodily autonomy". They believe it should be okay to kill a pre-born baby if that is the most convenience choice for the mother. The baby is obviously a person since the child does not just miraculously turn into a human after sliding through the birth canal. He or she was just as much a human a month before the birth or even 3 months before the birth.
Pro-abort Democrats should just be honest. Death of a pre-born infant is fine if the alternative is the birth will cramp your lifestyle.
Suicide is also a function of bodily autonomy.
So, if one can encourage or aid in abortion on grounds of bodily autonomy, the same should apply to encouraging and aiding suicide even if the person is underage (as in abortion)
You can't "encourage" someone to do something they have no capability to protest against.
That is irrelevant and neither here nor there. Bodily autonomy supersedes the imaginary “protest” condition.
Well the main question is when does it become the baby’s body?
Answers vary. Conception? Viability? Brain development? Very few Americans would say it begins at birth.
I agree totally, but a couple of your points do not go far enough:
4. Anyone should have the absolute right to grow, create, buy, sell, and trade any type of foods they want to eat. In particular, the war to shut down Amish farmers, currently being pursued by the Pennsylvania and Idaho state departments of agriculture, needs to stop.
8. Adults, for themselves and on their kids' behalf, should have the absolute right to refuse any medical treatment, including vaccines, with impunity from public or private punishments, and to use alternative treatments of their choice. Consent must be informed. No state or country should be allowed to create a monopoly in any medical service. Every individual should have standing to prosecute those who violate these rights.