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Mission to Israel Part I: Should I Stay Or Should I Go?
The first in a multi-part series about my recent mission to Israel.
Though I have a lot of family in Israel, I had only visited once. After I took the bar exam in 2009, I took a trip known as Birthright--a program that provides young Jews a free trip to Israel. For much of the past fifteen years, I kept telling myself I should visit Israel again, but the logistics never worked out. Indeed, during the summer of 2023, several of my cousins visited New York. I wanted to take my family to see them, but we had already committed to other travels and couldn't make it work. I told my kids that we would go to Israel the following year.
Little did I know what would happen on October 7. In the immediate aftermath of that horrific date, I could not have fathomed when it would be safe to return to Israel. I was in close contact with many of my cousins, and feared for their safety. Still, a trip to Israel seemed out of reach.
In March 2023, the World Jewish Congress sponsored a delegation of American judges to visit Israel. The mission made some headlines. Since then, WJC has sponsored other similar delegations. In April, I received an invitation to attend a mission with other law professors. The timing was inauspicious. Only a few days later, Iran sent a massive barrage of drones and missiles to Israel. Thankfully, American and other allies helped Israel shoot down virtually all of the projectiles, and the damage was minimal. Still, a potential war with Iran loomed in the horizon. Moreover, United and other airlines cancelled all flights to Israel through June.
I thought about the issue for some time, and ultimately decided to accept the invitation. In future posts, I will explore my thinking of why I chose to go. Here, I want to make a more basic point for others: with proper precautions, the country is safe for tourism. Indeed, as I traveled throughout Israel, I heard a constant refrain: the best way for Americans to show solidarity with Israel is to buy a plane ticket and see what happened with your own eyes. Reading stories and listening to podcasts does not cut it.
Moreover, this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to visit Israel without crowds. Tourism has declined in recent months--and reasonably so. Landmarks like the Church of the Holy Sepulcher usually have lines that stretch for hours. But now it can be entered in a few minutes, without people jostling for space. I was able to have a private moment at the Western Wall (the Kotel) without anyone crowding near me. (And, in the Jewish small world department, I met two Rabbis who were friends with my Rabbis back home in Houston.)
A brief note on security. Israel is a small country, roughly the size from New Jersey. From top to bottom, it is about a five-hour drive. At the widest point, from east to the west (or from the river to the sea, if you will), it is about a three hour drive. The most unpredictable threat are missiles from Lebanon in the north and from the Gaza Strip in the South. (The other sides do not provide pamphlets or text messages indicating where and when a missile will be sent.) Throughout the country, Israel has developed a series of sophisticated missile defense systems, as well as warning sirens. There is also an app to alert your phone. Every structure is required to have a "safe room" that provides at least some protection from blast. Each floor of a hotel has a special space. Depending on your distance from the border, the warning time varies. In Tel Aviv, you have about 90 seconds from a siren to get into a shelter. In Jerusalem, you have about 1 minute. In Ashkelon, you have about 30 seconds. If you are near the Gaza Strip, you have about 10 seconds--just enough to lay down on the floor. During my trip, I thankfully did not hear any sirens, but was well prepared to comply with the safety protocols. The WJC had a designated security official who kept us very safe. As he told with a classic Israeli accent, "If you do whatever I say, you will be safe, no worries." It is a miracle how people are able to go about their daily lives in the middle of war zone.
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"Everyone plays their role."
Including you Prof. Blackman.
And I seriously doubt any commenters are 'infuriated' by your posts.
I'd described folks who may disagree with your positions as sadly amused.
Went with the family in 2008 as a MOTT seemed like the thing to do, and by myself last November, work, not pleasure (although if you love your work, like I do, what’s the difference?) Mrs. Drackman went a month later, working on a medical ward instead of her usual ICU. Plan on going back in the fall. Like Vincent Vega said, they got the same shit there we got here, just there it’s a little different. Like 19 year old chicks carrying M-16’s in shorts and tank tops. Not that I notice that kind of thing.
The danger part's overblown. Most dangerous portion of my trip was the drive to and back from Atlanta-Zimbabwe-Jackson-Airport
Frank
These posts have more "I"s than Argus.
How nauty of you
Kol HaKavod!
I've been wanting to do a pilgrimage to the holy land for a while, but a lot of the holy sites are in the West Bank.
One word,
Masada, ya gotta do Masada, you've got to
Frank
If all goes right, the entirety of Judea and Samaria will be safe soon.
Safe for whom?
Wild guess: From your perspective, the people whose superstition and political leanings you prefer, in many cases at the expense of the people who actually live there.
Your perspective is unlikely to prevail, especially after better Americans stop subsidizing and enabling war-criming, theocratic right-wingers.
Even safe for you Rev. ... sadly, you'll find a lot of your kind throughout the country.
I'm sure there are some educated, reasoning, modern Israelis who are not violent, selfish right-wing belligerents . . . they are the Israelis I hope are smart enough to leave the country before Israel is held to account for its war crimes and other immoral, selfish, superstition-driven, disgusting conduct.
I wonder what a young Kirkland would say to you after hearing you fantasize about the mass-murder and ethnic cleansing of Jews, and then going on about celebratory bacon cheeseburgers to make sure nobody mistakes it for criticism of Israel as a nation.
I encourage and expect the right-wing deplorables who control Israel's government to be held to account -- perhaps to existential degree -- for their war crimes, terrorism, genocide, and superstition-driven, authoritarian bigotry. The right-wing scum who elected those criminals (with regard to war and beyond), corrupt jerks, and violent bigots are responsible for making the existential portion of that equation reasonable.
I don't like superstitious, bigoted, violent, selfish right-wing bullies, terrorists, thieves, and war criminals anywhere. I see no reason to recognize an exception involving the war-criming, ungrateful, superstition-addled wingnuts of Israel.
Bacon cheeseburgers for everyone! Don't forget the shrimp cocktail, crabmeat Hoelzel, and especially the Alton Brown lacquered bacon. That menu was inspired by some of the right-wing assholes who defend and applaud Israel's disgusting right-wing conduct at this white, male, bigot-embracing, wingnut blog.
So you aren't a Nazi, more a Crusader caling for execution of Jews who won't convert to your belief system. Although the Crusaders at least mourned the dead rather than celebrating.
Your feeble attempts to mischaracterize my objections to superstition-driven bigotry, right-wing belligerence, terroristic oppression, and genocidal theft of land as antisemitic mark you a partisan clown. I hope the United States ditches Saudi Arabia and Israel simultaneously, for example -- no flavor of bigoted, conservative, theocratic, murderous government is better than another -- and that both governments collapse if they do not change quickly and intensely.
I not only hope better Israelis -- not the right-wing religious kooks, but everyone else, regardless of religion -- come to America for a better life and to contribute to our nation. but I would consider Israel for statehood after the right-wing assholes are cleared out of that government.
"Reverend" Kirkland,
Do you consider yourself an antisemite, or understand why Jews might see you as one?
What do you think of Israel's enemies and their conduct,,,Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Iran, Hezbollah, Houtis, other Islamists, etc? Are you more partial to them than Israel and Jews?
Are you more than 10 years younger than Biden?
Thanks in advance for the candor.
I am not antisemitic.
Right-wing Jews accuse me of antisemitism for reasons ranging from partisanship and opportunism to bigotry and stupidity.
Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houtis, and the Islamic Jihad suck -- in some ways less than Israel's current government, in some ways more, in some ways equally. What intensifies my objection to Israel's right-wing war-criming and bigoted theocracy is that I am asked to subsidize it and that my nation is complicit in the profound immorality of Israel's conduct.
I am more than 10 years younger than Biden.
Do you support Israel's murderous, bigoted, war-criming, thieving conduct and corrupt, criminal, bigoted, theocratic, unfair government? If so, why?
You say that you are not antisemitic. But while you are fulsome with condemnation of Jews, and not just right-win ones, you show no such antipathy to the Islamic Republic of Iran and other unenlightened element of the Muslim world who have been responsible for so much terrorism around the world.
It's reconquista. Why wouldn't anyone support the indigenous people reclaiming their homeland from a bunch of imperialist apartheid-imposing, culturally-appropriating, thieves?
What you conceptualize as crimes, as moral wrongs, etc, are simply a function of your own imperialist normative order---one that's now falling apart, globally. (Remember too, AIDS: no one outside of the West is multiculting, and no one else will. They correctly reject it both as a form of Western imperialism and as a form of weakness.)
Moreover, now that scores of millions of Americans are waking up to the fact that THEY have been subsidizing a global imperialist liberal-progressive programme since WW2, AND that their sons and daughters have been killed and mutilated in foreign wars NOT to defend democracy or freedom but rather that to further that imperialist programme plus America's standing in the world (including for control over resources), YOU are doomed. There's no weaseling out of this for you. You are now unsafe in your own country. You will be held accountable.
You're doomed, AIDS. And your being doomed is genuine progress. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
This is a guy who shills for Hamas. He had no problem with, for example, Hamas’ recent execution of Mahmoud Ishtiwi, one of its generals, because it suspected him of being a homosexual. He never said a word anout that. He doesn’t seem to have any problem with any religion that doesn’t involve the letter”J.” Nor does he seem to hace any problem with any country that doesn’t start woith the letter “I” and end with “L.”
Israel conquored tedritory from Egypt, Jordan, and Syria in a defensive war Israel won fair and square. Yes, the governing faction of the country wants to keep it, as many other countries have. Yes, Israel lets religions govern their own affairs under the millet system, and yes, it gives religious Jews quite a number of subsidies
And for this, he shills for its conquest and rule by an Islamic theocracy that executes homosexuals and has hardly concealed its intention to slaughter Jews as part of its conquest? He wants them all slaughtered, as he says?
For this?
Will the American establishment be held accountable for its violent, selfish war crimes and imperialism?
I support accountability for American wrongdoers -- the dumbasses who invaded the wrong country after the September 11 attack, the disgusting mercenaries of Blackwater, the torture squad from the Federalist Society, etc..
What about for the totalitarian American 'liberals' and 'progressives' for their international imperialist systems they foisted upon the world? When the 'wrongs' you mention are only deemed to be so based on the norms they foisted upon the world (and which will be dismantled and disavowed once America's hegemony is forever dead), what will you?
How much longer do you think you're going to get away with trying to normalize the imperialist apartheid religious cult by labeling criticisms of it as a form of 'phobia'?
Since you've been dead set on the cultural genocide of traditional American culture and values, how do you reckon you'll be held accountable (as if it wasn't already obvious)?
Indeed 'safe for whom'? Did we not recently hear an edict to confiscate a lot of land from Palestinian families? Where are them families supposed to live?
Maybe in Palestine? It’s a real Country
“them families”???
First stolen valor, now you’re “Appropriating” Ebonics?, and badly, as someone who went to an Intergrated Pubic Screw-el in No-fuck Vagina, I speak Jive. It’s “Dey Famblies” although in LA(Lower Alabama) its more like “Dem Fam-leeze” it’s like the old tune “Dem Bonze”
Frank
1. You mean Arafatians.
2. It was fake news.
3. They ought to live in Arab Palestine i.e. (Trans)Jordan. Or anywhere else in the 21 Arabs states, almost 60 Muslim-majority states, or any other state foolish enough to embrace them.
Perhaps they can return to their ancestral lands?
Alternatively, they can easily move to Jordan. Perhaps the Western powers can stop pretending the King of Jordan is a bona sovereign ruler and let that land be reconstituted as the State of Palestine—especially as the population’s majority had always been ‘Palestinian’ anyway?
Not for genocidal Jew-haters, such as yourself.
I don't like any right-wing assholes.
That's what has made the innumerable victories of the liberal-libertarian mainstream -- clearing a bigot-hugging, slur-hurling right-wing professor off the UCLA campus, for example -- so delicious.
Israel chose the losing side of the American culture war, the wrong side of history, and the criminal and bigoted side of violent conduct and misappropriation of land. It should pay for those disgusting mistakes severely, perhaps with prejudice. Right-wingers such as that deserve little to no mercy from their betters. Many Jews recognize that the right-wingers who elected and operate Israel's war-criming, bigoted, corrupt government are disgusting people who engage in unacceptable conduct.
Bacon cheeseburgers seem to be like a fitting end to this problem. Who has the best recipe?
Oh, because I’m Jewish, “Bacon Cheeseburgers”?? Supposed to get a rise out of me? You’re probably the guy who orders a “Black Russian” and complains when you find out it’s a cocktail. As a Jew with an Irish name (it was O’Drackman in the old country) I get to hear a lot of what you Goyim say behind our backs( or so you think) names a simple thing but lets us in behind the scenes to further our plan for World Domination.
PS: I love Cheeseburgers(hold the Bacon, have to keep my Brad Pitt-esque bod in shape) Pulled Pork, and the cheap pork/chicken hot dogs
Frank
If that was an attempt to provide a recipe it was a bad one.
There is no 'liberal-libertarian mainstream' you lying pig.
The left and right, across the world, are tossing your values into the garbage bin where they belong.
The wrong side of history??? Look at the rest of the world, AIDS. Look at demography, political changes, and shifts in global power. YOU are clearly, and demonstrably, on the wrong side of history. Your imperialist project is failing and your values are dying from the world. Even your fellow Americans want to murder you; and no doubt they will. We're going to get to the point, very soon, where it will be unsafe for you 'liberal' idiots to even vacation in Europe.
Moreover, you LOVE 'war-criming' theocratic governments. The Biden admin's recent dealings with Turkey, North Africa, and the Gulf IRREFUTABLY prove this. (One ought to worry so much about this, as the entire international criminal legal order is on the cusp of collapse anyway.)
Face it, AIDS: you're toast.
That's not going to happen. You're trying to prop up their regimes AND normalize their cult in America and the rest of the west.
Further, you LOVE war criming right-wing theocrats. I just watched Chomsky on 1970-80s East Timor. But, really, a nice update would be the deal the Biden admin just cut with Morocco, the treatment of Afghans in Pakistan, the expelling of South Asians from the Gulf, etc.
The funny thing is, though, you're dead-set on denying that they're right-wing, that they're theocrats, that they engage in war crimes, etc.
You needn't worry about it too much longer, though. Your better Americans are going to Breivik you after the November elections. Your country will never be the same again---in ways you never thought possible, and which will constitute real PROGRESS in terms of their advancing the rape and murder of your garbage values.
You're ruined, AIDS. There's no escape for you.
I encourage anyone who wishes to visit Israel to do so.
It’s a rare chance to see conservative, theocratic bigotry in action. Meet some right-wing war criminals. Say goodbye to Netanyahu, Smotrich, Ben-Givr, and Likud. Maybe register for a chance to occupy some stolen land in the West Bank (perhaps even reconnect with Kontorovich?). Get to sign a bomb destined for a hospital or refugee camp in Gaza.
If you wish to visit Israel, do so . . . while you still can. And try to persuade decent Israelis to leave (by emigrating to the United States, ideally) while they still can.
Thocratic bigotry is why some theocrats cut the baby from the womb of a woman, cut its head off in front of her, then shoot her in the head.
Abortion has been legal in Israel since 1977
And not in most A-rab countries unfortunately, too bad your Mom didn’t take advantage of her right to choose
Frank
That's it. I won't read any more of you. Too toxic.
The Koran? Good decision
Ever taken the time to contemplate how evil in the purest sense you actually are?
He opposes wanton slaughter and property confiscation...which was kinda a hallmark of the Nazis and South Africa and Rhodesia. Where's the evil?
The reason you side with Israel's right-wing belligerents is the reason you live in a half-educated, parasitic, bigoted, can't-keep-up, knuckle-dragging, superstition-addled, Republican backwater, Currentsitguy.
That's a decision for which better Americans thank you. The farther you and other clingers are from America's educated, modern, accomplished, productive, reasoning communities, the happier most people will be.
You support the mass importation of millions of illiterate unskilled theocrats. Ones who marry children, who systematically marry their first cousins and/or nieces/uncles, who have never had a culture of mass literacy or education, and who have always supported apartheid.
What is the point of your rhetoric other than to help further establish for the world the ideological schizophrenia, hypocrisy, and imbecility of American liberals and progressives? Do you not think the educated peoples of the world already have enough data in that regard?
I support shoving even more glorious American progress down the whining, bigoted throats of right-wing culture war casualties. I expect to enjoy watching even more of that occur.
Conservative and Republican clingers get to whine and cry about it as much as they like, of course. But they will continue to comply with the preferences of their betters.
‘But they will continue to comply with the preferences of their betters.’
No, they’re going to murder your lot. Your international efforts will also fail completely. Shall we take bets on this?
AS you continue in your efforts to normalize the complete delegitimization of scores of millions of Americans, just wait till THEY normalize mass violence against you. THAT is going to be delicious. ????
'It’s a rare chance to see conservative, theocratic bigotry in action'.
Again with this nonsense. You're such a great liberal American, AIDS: do you even remember the last time you didn't lie? Do you know anything about the rest of the world, or just what your preferred American media tells you?
What'd you reckon is going to happen when the international order America created, including all international law, falls apart?
When the American right finally realizes what you've REALLY been up to with that order, what do you think they're going to do to you? 🙂
Will you try to flee America soon? (You claim to use reason, so know your elections are irrelevant for the coming social strife, yeah?) Again, you know you won't be tolerated in civilised countries, right?
Your global hegemony is over and the values and systems its liberals and progressive elites have tried to foist upon the rest of the world are falling apart and losing.
Use reason, AIDS. You know nothing about decency. You're a totalitarian imperialist and your time is over. Millions of Americans have finally woken to the idea that their media, elite institutions, and political parties systematically lie to them.
The world is on fire in a way that it hasn't been in 40 years and here in the United States we have a drooling President who thinks that Donald Trump is his Vice President.
That's better than him becoming president, where, in response to the world being on fire, his solution is to stand aside while the fire roars through Europe.
Sleepy should have had Putin arrested when he introduced him yesterday
"President who thinks that Donald Trump is his Vice President"
That's a Freudian slip admitting subconsciously he knows he's losing, but also at the same time, pointing out that Donald Trump is by no means the Virtue President.
You know, there are probably 100 million Americans who meet the constitutional qualifications to be president. So out of those 100 million, how the hell did we end up with Biden and Trump?
I still hold out hope that the Democrats will come to their senses and nominate someone else.
Like who?
Like just about any other Democrat with a pulse. Gretchen Whitmer, Gavin Newsom, Wes Moore, Anthony Blinken, Pete Buttigieg, even Kamala Harris. There really is no shortage of other viable candidates.
Do Chaz and Booty-Judge have the time for a Cam-pain?
Taylor Swift will be 35 on December 13, meaning she'll be as qualified as any of the above as of Jan. 20, 2025.
She criticized Trump, maybe she'd be willing to run against him on the Democratic ticket?
Judging from photos, she'd be the hottest President since Franklin Pierce. We know Pierce was hot because he's handsomer than JFK.
https://flyernews.com/sub/the-definitive-list-of-the-10-hottest-us-presidents/02/21/2022/
I love Lincoln as seventh hottest! A number of his contemporaries wrote that he was the ugliest person they had ever encountered.
"how the hell did we end up with Biden and Trump?"
Blame Barack Obama. Picking Joe as VP set the stage for 2020 and his teasing of Trump at the WH Correspondent dinner motivated Trump to finally run for real.
I suppose Hillary is also to blame for being such a zero as candidate.
Trump is everybody’s fault but the Republicans who nominated him, supported him, contributed to his campaign, and voted for him.
Got it, Bob.
(Though Hilary certainly could have done better.)
Hillary fucked up, she let everyone see what a B-word she is, if she’d gone to Michigan or Wisconsin would have lost even worse
And you forgot the electoral college. Without it, Trump would have faded into the sunset as soon as he lost the 2016 election, Biden would never have been elected, and both parties would today be nominating sane, competent adults.
Yes, that inconvenient Constitution
No one disputes that it's in the Constitution. But the question asked was what gave us the current mess, and the electoral college is a big part of the answer.
The framers told us it would save us from demagogues. That's very funny.
Just in the last 50 years it’s saved us from a second term of Jimmuh Cartuh, GHWB, and kept Do-Cock-us, Bob Dull, AlGore, Lurch Kerry, John McCain, Willard Romeney, and Hillary Rodman out of the Oval Orifice
Frank
Most of those outcomes would have been the same with or without the electoral college.
Excuses, excuses. In the UK a party with 32% of the vote got ~70% of the seats.
Politicians are not as dumb as voters (usually). The shape their campaign around the way the results is actually determined.
That a strong reason better Americans are likely to ditch the Electoral College. A bit more backwater superstition, rural desolation, and bigoted ignorance will need to die out before that occurs, I sense.
Given the abysmal birth rates in your blue states, and given that your country’s now on the brink—where, amusingly, MILLIONS of Americans can finally see that your side is genuinely totalitarian, imperialistic, and fraudulent (ie, misrepresent your values as being progress and knowledge-based when they're nothing more than prejudices)—why do you assume it is that group that is going to die off first, one way or another?
Use reason, too, AIDS: as a matter of global justice, won’t the world be a better place when your American betters eliminate you and everyone you care about?
America's better elements have always relied on immigration to expand and strengthen our nation. I do not expect that to change. The desolate backwaters that dislike immigration and immigrants will continue to wither, creating a depleted human residue, a concentrating and diminishing pool of ignorance, childish superstition, indolence, economic inadequacy, addition, bigotry, and parasitism in our can't-keep-up communities and red states.
You should watch Idiocracy, AIDS. That’s your real future–in every major blue city and every blue state.
We, in the civilised world, are going to leave you in the dustbin of history. You will be a retarded, poor, uneducated shithole.
You should do the responsible thing and hand over your weapons of mass destruction to more responsible governments now.
(ALL you can do is respond with your values, because science, reason, and the facts are NOT on your side. 🙂 )
I always have a chuckle over this line of thought. If there weren't an EC, our politics would be different, people would campaign differently, and who knows who'd win? Assuming the popular vote winner in a race decided by the EC would be the popular vote winner in a race decided by the popular vote is silly. It's like saying that the winner of a marathon would lose a sprint, because look how slow he was running the first 100 yards!
What evidence is there that campaigning differently would have produced a different outcome? By election day I'm pretty sure everyone's mind was made up.
"What evidence is there that campaigning differently would have produced a different outcome? "
What evidence is there ever for an historical counter-factual?
"By election day I’m pretty sure everyone’s mind was made up."
Sure, on the basis of the campaigning. Which would have been different.
What are you envisioning here? That the 2016 election had gone just like it did, and then on election day there was a surprise announcement, "Hey, forget that Electoral College nonsense, we're just handing the win to who ever gets more total votes!"?
Because Hillary Clinton losing the popular vote would have required a shift in 3 million votes (unlike the 80,000 vote shift that would have won her the electoral college). That's a lot of votes. If you're going to posit that it would have happened, I think you need to do better than just say they would have campaigned differently.
Sure they would have. And maybe some California Republicans and Alabama Democrats who didn't bother to vote would have gone to the polls as a result. But 3 million worth?
US voter turnout in general elections is relatively low, compared to other OECD countries, and hovers around 60%, in large part because of the EC and the reasonable assumption of voters in states that are solid Blue or solid Red that their vote won't matter. If you got rid of the EC and bumped up voter turnout as a result to say 70% (like in The Netherlands, Denmark, New Zealand, etc.. ) - you get 16 million more votes, and it's not a huge stretch to imagine that those 16 million votes would include a much larger number of Californian Republicans (~5.3 million), who vastly outnumber Alabama Democrats (~900,000)
If Hilary had followed Bill's advice and campaigned where he told her to, she would have won. Instead she wasted time in California.
It is not. (I mean, given that they are the same almost every time, it's particularly silly to say that it's silly.) Just like it's not silly to say that the football team that gains significantly more yards is likely to score significantly more points. Would the team "play differently" if the objective were changed so that the game was decided by yards rather than points? No, not really. Presidential politics are national.
Would the team “play differently” if the objective were changed so that the game was decided by yards rather than points? No, not really.
That's an incredibly stupid comment. If the goal was yards vs. points, the game would be drastically changed. For one thing, the kicking game would be gone - no team would kick a field goal (=no yards) vs. trying to get another set of downs on 4th down, or try toi kick an extra point. No team would punt the ball - you'd rather let the opponent get the ball inside your 20 yard line or even your 10, and then their maximum yard gain would be 10-20 yards, vs. potentially the entire field after a long punt. In fact, if you are forced to turn the ball over on downs, you'd much rather do it giving the opponent the shortest field possible (=fewer yards).
You either don't know the first thing about football, or didn't give this reply more than a few seconds of thought. Or both.
That's silly, Brett. Sure, people would campaign differently, and some voters would act differently.
But the vast majority of those who actually vote are going to vote the same way. Some who don't will, of course. But both parties have discouraged voters in states where they are sure to lose and complacent voters in states they are sure to win.
I don't see that there would be any sort of dramatic shift.
So you think the hundreds of millions of dollars every campaign spends every election cycle are pointless? Basic economic theory would suggest that's wrong.
No.
I don't mean the election is a foregone conclusion. I mean that when it comes time to vote most voters - the vast majority - are going to vote just the same under a popular vote system as under the EC.
And among those who don't vote under the EC, either because they are complacent or feel it's futile, and would vote in a popular vote election, there will not be a massive advantage for either party.
when it comes time to vote most voters – the vast majority – are going to vote just the same under a popular vote system as under the EC.
There's no reason to think that's true, and several reasons to think that's false - the EC discourages people from voting in non-battleground states, campaigns have an impact...
Let's say you are right - what is your theory for why campaigns spend hundreds of millions of dollars every elections cycle, if people's minds are not changed and not influenced by the campaign?
Without the EC, Republicans would have adapted and we’d still be right here. It is currently just a rhetorical device to hit people over the head with.
Also, if democracy and what the people wanted were the actual deciding factor for all of you, abortion would have been illegal at the state level for many states all along. Including California.
I have no problem overturning laws to increase personal freedom, as with abortion rights. It’s a kind of taking your freedom by force, for which I have a soft spot in my heart. But I don’t screetch “Democracy uber alles!” in every situation that benefits policies I like, in contexts of constitutional violation, then say, “Democracy, what’s that?” when it gets in the way of policies I like.
More people voted for “45” in New York than in Alabama, and that’s with a system where there vote doesn’t matter, with a National Popular Vote, “45”would pick up millions in the Blue States, even in CA it’s a Red State outside the cities
Frank
Frank, maybe you're the one who needs to take a cognitive test.
Sorry if I actually have a functioning Cerebral Cortex, check out what % of people vote, there’s millions of “45” votes just waiting to be cast
Frank
I've seen little evidence for your functioning cerebral cortex. You remind me of something Queen Elizabeth I said following the execution of Lord Seymour: This day died a man of much wit and very little judgment.
Sure, you have the raw intelligence to get through medical school (assuming you're telling the truth about that). But your ability to reason from A to B to C to D is sadly lacking.
And Biden would have picked up millions in the red states.
And Trump would have picked up lots of votes in red states, as would Biden in blue states.
Maybe.
I recall looking at turnout percentages by state and not seeing a huge difference between battleground states and others. So maybe knowing your vote is not futile doesn't matter all that much.
I recall looking at turnout percentages by state and not seeing a huge difference between battleground states and others
You are not looking very carefully, then, because the difference is clear:
https://www.npr.org/2016/11/26/503170280/charts-is-the-electoral-college-dragging-down-voter-turnout-in-your-state
Republicans do badly in states like California and New York because they spend a lot of time and energy going out of their way to piss off New York and California, knowing full well that there are no political consequences for doing so. Maybe there should be. Maybe the fact that we have a political system in which you win elections by pissing off the majority is not a good system.
And without it Trump would have been impossible. Acknowledge that fact: For all the wonderful sounding arguments about big states not pushing smaller ones around and California shouldn't be able to steamroll the rest of the country, in actual practice what it gave us is this year's election season. It has brought us to the doorstep of electing Mussolini. That's a pretty hefty price for whatever benefits it actually provides.
Without the EC, Republicans would have adapted and we’d still be right here. It is currently just a rhetorical device to hit people over the head with.
I don't think "we'd still be right here." With blue state voters suddenly being important to them I think the GOP would be much less controlled by RW extremists.
Are you ignoring the existence of LW extremists?
Thank God for the Electoral College.
There is no god. That's silly, childish superstition that reflects poorly on any ostensible adult who believes it.
The Electoral College provides an undeserved advantage for the lesser voices in our society. It weakens our nation. Better Americans will eventually dismantle it.
I remember when you had the good sense and humility to be agnostic.
Agnosticism is the way. But recognizing that the gods envisioned by organized religions are illusory and paltry is a proper course, too.
Ok you’re probably right about the Surpreme Being thing(I wouldn’t be such a Prick about it though, what if there is a Jay-hey? (If it’s Allah I’m screwed)
Frank
No 72 virgins for you?
Nah, never had one, prefer a woman who knows what she’s doing, My “first time”(with a real live girl) I was 16, with 14 year old chick on the HS Track team(High jump) does a BJ count? Best was my 30 something HS Algebra teacher, who was taking some Masters courses at Auburn, inspired that Garth Brooks song (Ok she was divorced, not widowed, hard to believe she’s almost 80 now)
Frank
Exactly. There’s no god. No god made people equal. And nothing else makes them equal either. Cultures and values certainly aren’t equal, despite your incessant bullshit about ‘ignorance’ and ‘phobia’ despite the abundant evidence of your own disdain for cultures within the United States (and evidence of your efforts to subvert other cultures, including religions, rendering you the REAL, MORTAL enemy of Muslims everywhere).
No god created free will and contemporary (REAL) science puts its existence into significant doubt. People are not equal. Cultures are not equal. Your comprehensive social re-engineering project for America will also fail.
Your time is over, AIDS. Yours is an evolutionarily inferior meme and your birthrate is a death sentence for your values. You and everything you hold dear is doomed to go the way of the Dodo bird. You and your lot will be outbred and replaced.
Your values are over. Your time is over. But don’t fret: you’ll likely be held accountable, by better Americans, with your life (and that of everyone you hold dear) before your natural time has come.
I don’t know, that “Watchmaker” anal-ology bothers me, and if there isn’t a Surpreme Being, why would Einstein say he doesn’t play dice?
Frank
"sane, competent adults."
But Hillary would have been president for at least 4 years! Maybe 8!
Nothing sane about her.
Relative to Trump, she's the model of sanity.
Bob, I get that you disagree with her politics and that's fine, but she would have been a competent administrator, and you would have had the opportunity to vote her out again in four years. She would not have given us the Trump shitshow. We would not currently be faced with a choice between Mussolini and someone who sundowns at 4:00. Maybe there really is an outer limit to how much harm your side should be willing to do just to keep the other side out of power.
Nope, she's evil. Corrupt too. Eva Peron basically but without charisma or human feelings or political skills.
Always be grateful to Trump for winning in 2016. No matter what happens this year or the future.
Ok, this may be a silly question, but if you despise evil and corrupt how can you support Trump? At best he arguably may be no worse than she is on that score but he sure as hell ain’t no better.
Bob from Ohio supports Trump because (1) he hates modern America and mainstream Americans, and gets a kick from Trump's boorishness toward better Americans and American progress, (2) he figures Republicans might delay progress long enough for him as he approaches replacement, and (3) Bob never met a bigoted, Bible-thumping, right-wing, jingoistic asshole he didn't adore.
Bob, you and the others lose credibility when you toss around 'evil', especially when you use it on Biden. It shows your ass when you use it. I won't even use it to describe Trump
We should ignore around an hour of him giving intelligent and detailed remarks, including in response to multiple questions on a variety of issues since he slipped up with the type of word gaffe that the average person does regularly. Well, if we were trolls, perhaps.
Hahahahahahaha!
Ok, diehard.
How many more times does this guy have to get lost on stage before you realize your party foisted an Alzheimer's patient on the world?
Insert Italian PM eyeroll here.
"Italian PM eyeroll"
She's great!
Yes, Gun Controls always been a winning ish-yew for the DemoKKKrats
Frank
"intelligent and detailed remarks"
He filibustered mostly. Dodging questions with piles of BS, his basic MO.
The questioners were pre-selected as well. His staff has planted questions before so I would not put that past them
"...pointing out that Donald Trump is by no means the Virtue President."
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We survived a senile second term president who thought nuclear missiles could be recalled in the late 1980s, when the Cold War was far more threatening. Donald Trump thought he ran against Obama, that Nikki Haley was in charge of Capitol security on January 6th, and that Biden might get us into World War 2. So I'd rather go with the successes of Biden than the guy who wants to be a dictator and is so incompetent that Project 2025 will be implemented whether he knows anything about it or not.
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"rUsSiAn CoLlu..."
Sorry, I mean "pRoJeCt 202five".
Any bit of flotsam in a sinking ship, amirite?
"senile second term president "
A lie. He was not diagnosed until 1994 and his doctors said there were no symptoms until the preceding 12 months.
Don't slander a great man because you are voting for a doddering fool and afraid of a think tank study.
Sure dude. Weird everyone happened to be right about that way before it was happening.
At the time most of the people who thought it obvious Reagan was suffering from Alzheimer’s were Democrats. Today those who think it clear Biden has dementia are Republicans. Fascinating how that works.
I don’t recall any Republicans calling for Reagan to step down, or Democrats for that matter, but those were kinder gentler times. Certainly no medical professional would have claimed on camera a diagnosis of mental illness without having made an actual examination.
Reagan, like Trump, was good at performing — professional entertainers, not leaders. At which they were/are incompetent and lazy. Biden is the opposite.
I was in the room in 1986 when Mr Reagan spoke to a relatively small group of scientific and engineering leaders. He spoke clearly and knowledgeably for 15 minutes, no notes, no teleprompter, no sign of dementia.
Yes, Mr Biden is showing he is the opposite, not as good at performing.
Did he talk about how trees cause air pollution?
It’s an “Inconvenient Truth” I thought you “ believed the Science” honestly what’s the extent of your Science Ed-Jew-ma-cation? Pee-Wee’s Playhouse?
Don't be silly. He spoke convincingly to an audience of highly successful technologists and scientists. He did not need to be helped offstage.
No, he was not eloquent. I never heard a Reagan speech to the Nation in which he was.
Do you know what I'm referring to?
cc is referring to a leftist delusion that Ronald Reagan was mentally impaired in his second term. The only evidence anyone has put forward for that conspiracy theory was a single bad debate, which Reagan more than made up for in the next one, and even that first debate was nowhere as bad as Biden on a daily basis.
By the way, if you have pollen or mold allergies, you would not think highly of the tree-shit dumped into the air in the spring and autumn.
Pollen is more like tree semen than shit. Mold is not from trees -- it's a subset of fungi, and fungi are in an entirely different biological kingdom than plants. Neither of those are air pollution in the sense that was meant: they've been known as a significant source of methane for years (https://e360.yale.edu/features/scientists-probe-the-surprising-role-of-trees-in-methane-emissions) and more recently identified as contingent sources of PM2.5 and ozone precursors (https://www.newscientist.com/article/2436152-overheated-trees-are-contributing-to-urban-air-pollution/).
Lighten up Michael,
I don’t need your pitiful attempt to teach me biology and your blindness to a figure of speech. But if you think the massive shedding of bark is more like cum than shit then, keep on believing that. If you think that burning the dropped leaves of deciduous trees something other than pollution believe that too.
As for molds, yes, they are funghi and many grow on the undersides of fallen leave until killed by the first hard frost causing woe to allergy sufferers as releasing methane a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.
By many of your previous posts, I see that you believe many dubious things.
" professional entertainers, not leaders. At which they were/are incompetent and lazy. "
You were either not there or you are blinded by partisanship. You may hate his policies, that is your right. The mood of the country in the late seventies was poor. "Morning in America" was a great feeling.
Depends on who you were. If you were nonwhite or poor, it was not so great. Women weren't too thrilled either.
I was poor in the 80s, I loved it (OK 90s were better, didn’t have to sell Plasma) Have to admit I was White though
Frank
Just like you kept on denying that Mr Biden had any age related cognitive problems.
How conveniently you disappear immediately after the debate.
I was on vacation, it’s a thing people do in the summer.
And I don’t think the evidence the right was putting out there was at all probative. It was all cut down videos. They are not retroactively rendered any less scurrilous nor you less gullible by the debate performance.
Contrast with Reagan and Bobs hilarious defense decades later.
I was too young personally for Reagan but from what I learned the leaks were not that he was old and missing a step.
That you were too young for Reagan is obvious, you might consider viewing some of the footage yourself rather than depending on others to curate your feed. Reagan's end stage was unfortunate, but he was not running for re-election at that point and had he been in that state of decline in 1986, well, the idea that the Republican establishment would have rallied behind him is ridiculous. That folks here posit "Biden is fine, the president doesn't really need to be able react quickly" is a damning indictment of how far we've fallen.
Reminds me of the Onion's piece on Fetterman vs. Oz. "I don't know whether I should support the party than runs a stroke victim or the party that loses to a stroke victim."
That is not my thesis.
I am pushing back on “ He was not diagnosed until 1994 and his doctors said there were no symptoms until the preceding 12 months.”
Nothing more, nothing less.
Maybe you should stop pushing back on that claim? Even Snopes agrees with that much, merely clinging to the possibility that he had subtle symptoms:
Snopes: Did Ronald Reagan have Alzheimer's disease in office?
"However, the physicians who directly attended Ronald Reagan while he was president agreed unanimously that he never displayed signs or symptoms of dementia the whole time he was in office, the New York Times reported in 1997:
...even with the hindsight of Mr. Reagan's [Alzheimer's] diagnosis, his four main White House doctors say they never detected any evidence that his forgetfulness was more than just that. His mental competence in office, they said in a series of recent interviews, was never in doubt. Indeed, they pointed out, tests of his mental status did not begin to show evidence of the disease until the summer of 1993, more than four years after he left the White House.
"There was never anything that would raise a question about his ability to function as President," said Dr. Lawrence C. Mohr, one of Mr. Reagan's physicians in his second term. "Ronald Reagan's cognitive function, belief structure, judgment, ability to choose between options, behavior and ability to communicate were totally and completely intact."
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He "never forgot appointments, misplaced or lost things, where he put his glasses, never forgot to put his hearing aids in, never forgot to put his contact lenses in, and these are things he did for himself," Dr. Mohr said. "I saw him saddle and bridle horses at the ranch and later put things back exactly where they belonged." And Mr. Reagan, the doctors stressed, was punctual, never depressed and had no difficulty with language or understanding what was going on around him.
Although no cognitive tests were administered to Reagan during his time in office (his doctors saw no need for them), he did begin receiving annual mental and psychological assessments in 1990, after undergoing surgery to remove a blood clot in his brain. The four-hour battery of tests, which would have detected signs of dementia, found nothing amiss for the first three years they were administered. "All parameters for his age absolutely were within the normal range," one of Reagan's doctors said. It was Reagan himself who announced the diagnosis of Alzheimer's in 1994.
There were certainly no indications of dementia (age, perhaps, but not dementia) when the 81-year-old former president delivered a 35-minute speech at the 1992 Republican National Convention, a performance Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward described as "flawless."
It must also be said that given that the average life expectancy of a patient diagnosed with Alzheimer's Disease is eight to 10 years, Reagan, who died in 2004 (10 years after his diagnosis), would have been extraordinarily long-lived for an Alzheimer's patient if he was already suffering from the disease, as some claim, in 1984."
As I wrote above in saw Mr Reagan personally two years before the end of his term. He was not what you want to believe because it suits your politics.
You persist in defending Mr Biden even though many powerful Democrats are furious that he and his handlers deceived them about his condition. Keep complaining about edited clips, but they were completetly consistent with what the Nation witnessed for 90 minutes.
I knew you were on vacation and posted that the middle of the night after Mr Biden's debate disaster. I was just busting your balls with that comment.
You are welcome to believe anything that you wish. We all have that right. But be honest with yourself.
Talk about moving goal posts.
It's so cute that Bob from Ohio believes Trump's weight and girth reported by his drug pushing doctor (whose name he forgot), and the claimed crowd size for Trump's inauguration. But he's certain that Democrats have always lied about everything to do with Biden's health, who still hasn't been diagnosed except by people like Bob.
Reagan wasn't diagnosed with Alzheimer's until later, but in his second term, aides gave him scripts for 5 minute phone calls, Nancy Reagan audibly gave him his lines, and he failed to recall what he and his administration had done (arguably the lesser choice between senility and corruption).
We still don't know why Trump was rushed off for unscheduled medical attention; nobody gets a jump on their annual medical checkup on a Saturday afternoon for no reason. How low did his blood oxygen level go when he had COVID (86% or lower, according to Mark Meadows), and how much brain damage resulted?
Not as much as you suffered obviously
Poor Magister...
"late 1980s, when the Cold War was far more threatening."
You are grossly incorrect.
The late 1980s was the period of glasnost and peristoika. The Gobachev regime was actively seeking accommodation with the US. The period included extensive formal and informal interactions with scientific elites of both countries that built a high degree of trust.
In actuality the present is far more threatening with a new series of new strategic weapons in Russia and China some of which are powered by nuclear reactors to have extreme ranges flying a low altitude. Plus we have an unstable actor with nuclear weapons and ICBMs in North Korea.
Well, the guy was not exactly the Virtue President.
“I realize that my posts on most topics tend to trigger and infuriate people. If so, I encourage you to stop reading. My perspectives here will not be popular, and will likely cause some controversy. ”
Tbh, the primary reason that Blackman’s posts annoy me (if they do it all) isn’t because of any substantive disagreements. It’s because he comes across as personally obnoxious. The high self-regard on display here is representative. And yeah, in accordance with this advice, I tend to just skim or skip his posts.
My 2 cents: America should never turn her back on Israel.
Gilda Meir went to college in Milwaukee, Net N’ Yahoo in Filthydelphia, Amurica is Israel and Israel is Amurica
Frank
Many Israelis and Jews overall think the best way to support Israel is to not support the current Israeli leadership and their policies.
You know a lot of them do you?
All his best friends are Jews.
"Many"
Only partly true but very misleading. Its a definite minority but a minority of 7 million Israelis or 15 million Jews is still "many" of course.
Not wanting Bibi re-elected is not opposing "their policies" either. The Gaza War has a strong majority Israeli approval.
So, not really misleading.
I didn’t argue some “majority” of Jews opposed the policies though maybe that’s true in some sense. Not sure what a “definite minority” is, but it sounds notable. Not “a few.”
Repeatedly, opposition to Israeli policies is found in Jewish publications and from Jews themselves. There is more than one advocacy organization to support Jewish issues in part because there is a split on positions on the right path.
It also isn't denied there is opposition to the leadership. There is a parsing on specific "policies." There has been strong opposition to Bibi's policies over the years. No one "policy" was cited.
As to the Gaza War specifically, some Jews are among those who oppose how it is being carried out. This includes the dissent in this country. One Pew study found:
"But Jewish adults under 35 are divided over Israel’s military response: 52% say the way Israel has carried out the war has been acceptable, while 42% call it unacceptable, and 6% are unsure. Jews ages 50 and older are far more likely to say Israel’s conduct of the war has been acceptable (68%)."
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/02/how-us-jews-are-experiencing-the-israel-hamas-war/
Support is significantly higher in Israel though again my comment was general.
Re "many": This is the side that claims a packed house when Joe "Brandon" Biden draws enough followers to a campaign rally in Detroit to fill perhaps 30% of a school gymnasium (but hey, it was almost 50% full if you count the rows of cameras for the media!).
I can conceive of circumstances under which America should turn our back on Israel. It's just that they don't remotely happen to be present.
So… are they actually going to be upset? Or will they just be pretending?
But those most likely to take offense truly can't help it, and they will read, only to express faux outrage. It's a vicious cycle. Remember, these reactions are largely performative.
Performative? For who? Who are the mostly anonymous commenters performing for, exactly? And how does Josh know whether the outrage expressed is real or not?
Yes. The lady doth protest too much.
‘My posts tend to trigger people’ is like YouTube alt right shit.
How soon til” Blackman starts shilling for BitCoin?
Try some positive suggestions for a change.
I would be happy to go in your place. Did you book first class?
Even with my million Delta Skymiles I fly El-Al, Securities a little tighter (ie competent) and they call First Class “Premium” and like Delta most of their pilots learned to fly in the military
Frank
"One final note. I realize that my posts on most topics tend to trigger and infuriate people."
The reason that some of your posts infuriate people is because they are (1) self-regarding, (2) replace law with some kind of gossip-y Us Magazine take on topics, and (3) occasionally make bizarre errors that could easily be caught if you were more interested in substance over pushing out words. That, and of course, that you seem driven by partisan issues as opposed to principles.
That said, I hope you have a rewarding trip to Israel, and I wish you a safe trip there and back.
Three good reasons to stop reading Mr. Blackman's posts.
I usually go straight to the comments when I want to be entertained by ranting. I can't figure out who these people are who have so much time on their hands and so little inclination to persuade others to their point of view, but I appreciate their dedication to their craft.
I mean, to the extent he wants engagement (or is it enragement), he's successful!
To the extent he wants to be taken more seriously by people that aren't in the extreme right-wing law-like-substance circuit, I don't think he is quite as successful. Then again, I don't know that I will ever see a post that lacks the self-awareness of the one where he set himself up as the arbiter of who is really Jewish.
(When I say these things, I am just being internet snarky. Josh has posted about other things he does, like running high school moot courts, and for that I commend him. None of us are the caricatures that are on-line presence makes us out to be.)
“(When I say these things, I am just being internet snarky. Josh has posted about other things he does, like running high school moot courts, and for that I commend him. None of us are the caricatures that are on-line presence makes us out to be.)”
Something we should all make an effort to remember about everybody.
(Except Dr. Ed and the Reverend, of course.)
In much the same way that Death Valley is "warm." The evil queen in Snow White wasn't as self-obsessed as Blackman.
“performative”
Truly a stunning take from a member of the Fuck your Feelings party!
If you exhibited less performative melodrama, fewer people would tell you "fuck your feelings".
Israel has survived many things. It will survive JB's visit.
It may survive a Blackman visit.
Will it survive withdrawal of the American skirts it has been hiding behind for decades?
I look forward to observing that one develop . . . until it's bacon cheeseburger time.
Will America survive its impending civil war and the collapse of its global empire? Doubtful, no?
By the way, it's such a silly thing, calling this new development a 'civil war'. It's clear who has most of the guns today and who is going to use them.
As Biden regularly reminds us, fat lot of good those guns will do when he nukes everything outside the cities...
There will be no civil war. First, most conservatives are all-talk cowards. More important, the next time the illiterate, superstitious, bigoted hillbillies get frisky, I expect better Americans to exhibit much less leniency than was demonstrated toward the insurrections a few years ago.
You might call what would happen to those worthless right-wing freaks in that context getting Babbitized. After that, if any of them were armed, better Americans will collect the guns from the losers' cold, dead hands.
Carry on, bigoted clingers. So far as your betters permit. Not a step beyond. Unless you wish to accelerate your replacement, in which case I would be content.
Sounds like a threat, was that a threat? Pretty sure that’s a threat, I might even get upset if I didn’t know you’re a pissy old Queen (trying to)jerk off to 1970’s “Tiger Beat” magazines (let me guess, Bobby Sherman? Leif Garrett? Scott Baio?)
Frank
No threat. I expect the bitter clingers to continue to be mostly all-talk, big-talk, pusillanimous cowards; to continue to toe the lines established by their betters (thank you for your continuing compliance!); and to continue to diminish in numbers, decibels, and relevance as the culture war advances.
Sounds like an old Queen trying to sound like he’s not making a threat, well “Arthur” I ain’t no Chucky Schumer, anyone trying to make me “Comply” to my “Bettors” will get the same response the Red Coats got in 1776. You are now permitted to return your mouth to Mick’s Penis. Please “comply” before your “Bettors” give you a “Stomping”
Frank
You have been complying with the preferences of better Americans for more than half a decade, with all of the other right-wing culture war casualties.
Do as you are told and you should continue to be fine. Try to be nicer to your betters, though, because there is no requirement that a culture war's winners be lenient with the losers. So far, the liberal-libertarian mainstream has been quite gracious with the half-educated, superstitious, bigoted inhabitants of our can't-keep-up backwaters. That could change.
'I expect better Americans to exhibit much less leniency than was demonstrated toward the insurrections a few years ago'.
God you're dumb. That can only work if the institutions are powerful and functional. Now that your lot is doing everything it can to delegitimize them, domestically and internationally, you're going to face systematic non-compliance from your citizens (and even institutional players). You've weaponized your bureaucracy, courts, corporate media, and unis. What happens when even just 50,000 Americans with guns take action? You're completely screwed.
I suspect it'll take one major action at one American uni for millions of you American 'liberals' and 'progressives' to completely shit your pants and flee the country---not that you will be tolerated or accepted here.
'Carry on, bigoted clingers. So far as your betters permit. Not a step beyond. Unless you wish to accelerate your replacement, in which case I would be content'.
Tell me that even one more time and see what will happen to you.
Been there several times in the last year ... the Israelis definitely appreciate support as the anti-Semite cockroaches come out of hiding throughout the world.
Israelis -- especially their government -- have been low-level ingrates with respect to the indispensable support Americans have provided to them, at great and varied cost, for decades. So fuck 'em.
Well fuck you too, Revolting, and isn’t the guy who “Replaced” Charlie Watts great?? Now if Mick, Keith, and Ron would hurry up and die you could replace them with the guys from “Loverboy” and have a real Band
Frank
Why are so many fans of an ostensibly legal blog illiterate?
Spoiler: It's the right-wing dumbassery tone set at the top.
I'm sure 6-7 million of them will become Republican voters in a key 'blue' state in the coming years. So, guess who's fucked, Yankee Doodle dipshit?
I expect the non-clinger Israelis to be the ones with enough sense to get the hell of our Israel before it falls. The dead-enders in Israel will be the right-wing religious freaks. I hope both ends of that equation get what they deserve.
We’ve “stomped”(ooh, feels good, I see why you use that word LIKE A BAZILLION TIMES! yes, I know I’m shouting) tougher guys than you Revolting, pretty sure either of my daughters and even Mrs Drackman would knock you out faster than Iron Mike beat Michael Spinks, they do the Krav Maga and the “Krav Knee to the Balls”
Not me though, I abhore physical violence
Frank
This asshole is your biggest defender and fan, Volokh Conspirators . . . and that is part of the reason your slur-happy leader is no longer entrusted with a spot in front of law students by a mainstream law school. Which of you is to be next?
That’s “Dr”Asshole thank you. I didn’t do 5 years of Evil Medical Screw-el, to just be called a regular Asshole. Is that really all you’ve got? No “Stomping”? “Bettors”? “Replacement”? I’m sorry you just realized Jagger can’t carry Sammy Hagar’s Used Condominium
Frank
You have spent years trolling this site with banal platitudes and superficial appeals to reason and science, whilst demonstrating repeatedly your lack to understanding of first-order logic, of basic science, and of global affairs. You claim to hate superstitious cults whilst simultaneously trying to to normalize them in America. You're an absolute moron; hiding beyond your values and the actions of others cannot disguise that fact.
What value is there in YOUR calling anyone else and asshole? Your entire life is a waste of time, and your values are finished.
Why don't you just kill yourself, AIDS, before your American betters off you?
'I hope both ends of that equation get what they deserve'.
American citizenship? Maybe they should just show up and vote in all those American jurisdictions that no longer require citizenship to do so.
Why do you keep posting here as is your values are dying and as if your fellow Americans don't see you as a totalitarian? Why do you cling to a dying ideology and zeitgeist? Can't you see you're losing globally and shall continue to do so, in part because you're now seen, by the whole world, to be totalitarian villains engaged in a global imperialist social re-engineering scheme?
Why do you post here as if your fellow (better) Americans aren't going to murder you?
Why do you pretend to take the moral high ground when you're clearly evil?
The only Israelis I care about are the Orthodox. The secular Israelis are just as liberal as their American counterparts. They believe killing babies and sodomizing other men to be human rights.
As do almost all Amurican religions, and the Moose-Lums are even worse, I don’t like killing babies just like I don’t like when I (accidently) run over a Turtle, (Snakes are a different matter) and men are free to fuck each other up the ass, and I’m free to joke about it (I’ve got a whole routine of Rock Hudson jokes from 1986 and nobody even remembers who he was)
Frank
These are your fans, Volokh Conspirators . . . and the reason better Americans should be arranging your departures from mainstream campuses.
Do you think those campuses will be safe spaces going forward? 🙂
The Orthodox Israelis are the most likely to be doomed. Parasitic, selfish, indolent, boorish religious kooks who engage in war crimes, corruption, bigotry, and belligerent ignorance. They are the most likely to go down with that ship, and deservedly so. Their choices seem likely to be limited to change or die.
Israel is actually a quite beautiful place. I hope you enjoy your trip.
Beautiful for whom? Parasitic right-wing religious kooks -- the males, at least. Anyone else?
Jeezus, do you ever stop with the Bile? Gonna give yourself Cancer.
Frank
I was referring to scenery, which I suppose can be enjoyed by anyone, including parasitic right-wing religious kooks. Everything doesn't have to be a continuous political firestorm, we can just wish someone an enjoyable and safe trip.