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Lawsuit Against Kathy Griffin Alleging She Tweeted to Get Man Fired Can Go Forward
A quick summary of the factual allegations:
On April 24, 2021, Samuel Johnson sat down for dinner at a hotel in Franklin, Tennessee. Shortly after, a group of forty to fifty teenagers began taking prom pictures nearby. The boisterous teenagers apparently disturbed Johnson and other customers, prompting him to ask the chaperone to settle them down. One of the teens, who was wearing a red prom dress, overheard the request and confronted Johnson, all while his boyfriend filmed the interaction. The video is not a picture (or record) of clarity. But at a minimum, it captures Johnson saying that the student in the red dress "look[s] like an idiot."
And here's the decision from this Monday denying the motion to dismiss, by Chief Judge William Campbell (M.D. Tenn.) in Johnson v. Griffin:
One of the teenagers … posted [the video] to their personal TikTok account. TikTok removed the video from its site, but before it was removed, the video was downloaded and posted on other social media platforms, including Twitter, Reddit, and LinkedIn.
On April 26, 2021, Griffin republished the video on Twitter and stated "If this is Sam Johnson in Nashville, Tennessee, the CEO of @VisuWell, healthcare-tech-growth strategist, married to Jill Johnson where they may reside in Franklin, Tennessee, it seems like he's dying to be online famous." Plaintiffs allege that Griffin's tweet republishing the video caused it to go viral. After Griffin published her first tweet, Griffin responded to a comment posted by the teenager who videoed the incident and stated that she was "proud to be any [sic] ally" and "[l]et me know if there's anything I can do to help."
Later that day, Griffin published another tweet attaching two images of Mr. Johnson's face and writing: "Who is? THIS [sic] Sam Johnson of Franklin Tennessee [sic]?"
On April 26, 2021, VisuWell published the following statements, among others:
We unequivocally condemn the behavior exhibited by Sam Johnson in a recent video widely circulated on social media.
After investigating the matter and speaking to individuals involved, the VisuWell BOD has chosen to terminate Mr. Johnson from his position as CEO, effective immediately.
Later that same day, Griffin published another statement that "the nation will remain vigilant" and asked VisuWell if Mr. Johnson had been removed from his position on the Board of Directors. VisuWell replied to Griffin's post and stated "terminated." The next day, on April 27, 2021, VisuWell published another post that stated "Mr. Johnson is no longer employed by VisuWell in any capacity." Plaintiffs contend that VisuWell officially terminated Mr. Johnson's employment contract on April 26, 2021.
Plaintiffs allege that after Griffin posted the video, they received "countless online threats—including threats of rape and death—as a foreseeable and proximate result of Ms. Griffin's call-to-action to make Mr. and Mrs. Johnson 'online famous'."
The court allowed plaintiff's tort claims for tortious interference with contract/business relationship, intentional infliction of emotional distress, intrusion upon seclusion, prima facie tort, and negligence per se to proceed, concluding that the First Amendment didn't preclude such liability:
While speech about public concerns is often entitled to "special protection," for matters of purely private significance, First Amendment protections are "often less rigorous." Snyder v. Phelps (2011).
Here, Griffin seeks dismissal of Plaintiffs' tort claims on the basis that her speech was a matter of public concern. Specifically, without explaining how or why, Griffin asserts that her social media statements ["]unquestionably addressed a matter of public concern [and are therefore] entitled to "special protection" under the First Amendment." …
Griffin then relies on Higgins v. Ky. Sports Radio (6th Cir. 2020) to support her First Amendment argument…. The Higgins court defines a "public concern" as "'[t]he subject of legitimate news interest' or 'a subject of general interest and of value and concern to the public.'" Further, "[n]o bright line separates [public from private concerns]. Courts instead look to decisions as guideposts, assessing how the 'content, form, and context' of the speech compare to the speech at issue in other cases 'as revealed by the whole record.'" The court then provided a detailed explanation as to why commentary about referees in public sports competition has long been viewed as a matter of "public concern" in this nation's history….
Turning to this case, accepting Plaintiffs' allegations as true, Griffin's public statements did not involve a subject of "legitimate news interest" or one of "concern to the public." Instead, Plaintiffs allege not that Griffin made false or defamatory statements, but rather that Griffin provided commentary about Mr. Johnson resulting in damages under a variety of tort theories….
Here, Plaintiffs allege that Griffin caused an edited video clip to "go viral" and added her own commentary; as noted above, the clip involved interactions between Mr. Johnson and teenage prom-goers in a Franklin, Tennessee hotel lobby. Plaintiffs allege that the video clip was removed from the original social media platform, TikTok, only to be included later by Griffin's Twitter account, along with her commentary.
This case is different from Higgins in several respects. Higgins involved a radio station show commenting about a college basketball referee's performance in a high-profile tournament game; this case involves a non-media person's comments about an interaction among non-public figures in a hotel lobby. As alleged by Plaintiffs, but for the teenagers uploading a video clip and Griffin's re-publication of that clip, this interaction among patrons at a business would have received little-to-no notice. And as the Higgins court noted, the person sued for her speech cannot make the subject of the speech a public figure—or a public concern—by that person's own conduct….
My view is that such speech should be constitutionally protected, whether or not it's on a matter of "public concern"; among other things, I think courts have been highly inconsistent in drawing the public/private concern line (see, e.g., pp. 199-208 of this article).
I think liability can be imposed for speech that falls within a First Amendment exception, such as for certain kinds of false statements about particular people (to oversimplify slightly), solicitation of illegal conduct, true threats of illegal conduct, and the like. But simply calls to boycott people, socially ostracize them, or get them fired should be constitutionally protected. Compare NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware (1982), which held that the First Amendment protected publicizing the names of black residents who declined to go along with a NAACP boycott of white-owned stores (even though this was aimed at causing social ostracism, and also foreseeably caused some violence against the residents).
Nonetheless, the court doesn't share my view on this; and see also Flickinger v. King (Ala. 2023) and Manco v. St. Joseph's University (E.D. Pa. 2024), which are in some ways consistent with the court's analysis above. A couple of other law professors and I are cowriting an article (tentatively called Protest and Public Pressure Torts) that discusses such tort law claims, as well as ones stemming from in-person protests. In any event, this seemed like an interesting and potentially important decision.
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This reminds me of the time David Bernstein threatened to call my boss
Fear of liability in these cases could help make America a more civil place, although Kathy Griffin probably has enough money not to be deterred.
Don't know about that; I think she has been crying about lost bookings and ticket buyers and claiming financial hardship of late.
I hope she suffers. Someone has a bad interaction with children in public; that should not go viral and ruin that person's life. We've all had bad encounters and we are lucky our worst days are not recorded.
Griffin is a vampire who gains pleasure by ruining other lives. Well, she deserves to have her life ruined. I wish that she suffer from the worst kind of chronic depression...she deserves it.
If I were her, I'd be more worried about the muzzle blast of a 12 gauge shotgun. She totally destroyed some random guy's life -- I know someone who likely would hunt her down and kill her if she destroyed his life like this. What's he got to lose?
The other thing is that the LGBTQ++++ community has to understand is that stunts like this do not help the cause. This was only one of 40-50 boisterous teenagers -- if everything is homophobia, then noting is homophobia and you really don't want that.
“I know someone who likely would hunt her down and kill her”
Yikes!
Thanks for letting the LGBT community know that our civil rights are conditional upon us behaving in ways that meet your approval. Just a quick FYI: we've known that for a very long time. We refer to meeting that approval as "in the closet." HTH
Nobody said that. They said that if you want to convince people your cause is just, don't do unjust things. It's simple psychology.
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Is that what you wrote about the Trump-Carroll decisions?
Or do white Republican males found to have committed sexual assault and repeated defamed their victims get a special pass?
I think American really should practice more civility. Getting the courts to intervene in order to compel civility seems like a really bad idea.
The boy did look like an idiot.
Are you the Bob from Ohio that lives in suburban Dayton on Maple Street?
It should suffice for any legitimate purpose to know that Bob resides in generic Can't Keep Up, Ohio. If you want more personally identifiable information you are doing this wrong.
As silly as some dumbass walking around in a cowboy hat miles from the nearest cow; listening to a twanging, drawling country music station; or driving a huge pickup truck that never leaves the pavement or carries much more than a few bags of groceries?
Let's not judge people who enjoy drag. Even western drag. The irony that someone might enjoy western drag but decry other forms of drag should be lost on no one. Or that a tight pair of wranglers gives even the worst homophobe a hot ass.
:(1) I never really liked Claiborne Hardware, though I could understand SCotUS's motivation: Jim Crow was a great evil and the law should be stretched to help vanquish it. *War cases make bad law.*
(2) And one might wonder whether the authorities who prosecuted the Claiborne Hardware doxxers would have been equally diligent in prosecuting pro-kkk doxxers.
That kind of ruling could lead to ruined lives. Stretching the law is usually a bad idea...it always comes around.
One of our right leaning colleagues (Bob from Ohio or Borntobefree?), put it correctly that if there's an actual complaint, then it should be against the entity which took the adverse action, i.e., VisuWell, and not the person who simply published something online.
So hold woke companies liable for their wokeness?
Absent a police report the company would not have been aware of the incident except for no talent Griffin's attempt at publicity.
Where is there anything about wokeness in this entire story?
You conspiracists are such one-horse jokes.
Company firing a CEO over merely calling a boy in a prom dress an "idiot" is not "woke"?
Then what is it? Only the woke show such intolerance for anything possibly critical of LGBTQ.
Totally agree that the cowardice of the company is an issue, but I doubt he had much legal recourse against it.
“Cowardice”
I just don’t understand this criticism at all. It’s like everything is high school drama in conservatives’ eyes.
Is it seriously your contention that the board of directors of this company should prioritize “courageousness” over things like negative publicity, lost future sales, impact on stock price, etc.? Where courageousness (the antithesis of the “cowardice” you decry) is defined as retaining a CEO who has such poor judgement that he managed to get himself filmed and posted engaging in a verbal slap fight with a bunch of high schoolers on their way to prom?
Cry me a river. The company is there to make money, not to fight the latest iteration of the huckleberry culture war. I bet the shareholders agree with me.
As an indirect investor I disagree. The company’s reaction was just emotional panic.
You wouldn’t be the first person to engage in vibes-based investing
"negative publicity, lost future sales, impact on stock price, etc.?"
Because of a Kathy Griffin tweet and a single TikTok?
It is cowardice because none of that was going to happen over this incident.
Though its highly likely he was getting fired anyway soon and this trivial incident was just a "for cause" excuse.
“because none of that [negative publicity] was going to happen”
What are you talking about? His lawsuit is based on the fact that the video was publicized!
It’s just more special pleading from conservatives who somehow seem to feel as if they are both entitled to be colossal assholes— at best!— to high schoolers going to prom (they are!) and also legally protected from any criticism or professional consequences for said conduct.
“Though its highly likely he was getting fired anyway”
That sounds like an employment dispute with his employer. One wonders what Ms. Griffin has to do with that…
"colossal assholes— at best!"
Yes, the boy in the dress and his boyfriend were. The CEO asked the staff to suggest they quiet down, the gay dudes did all the a**-holing.
Did I talk about the lawsuit merits? No, I did not. But some one day minor story was not going to tank their stock price etc.
“The CEO asked the staff to suggest they quiet down”
Oh really? What does “looking like an idiot” have to do with that?
Maybe everyone was an asshole. Doesn’t mean that the company should retain the guy just for the sake of being courageous in the eyes of the Bobs and Jacob Grimes’ of the world. If “wokeism” in corporate America is deplorable, then “anti-wokeism” is equally so.
"What does “looking like an idiot” have to do with that?"
It was after the gay boys came over to harass him. Made a mild comment, no gay insults.
I'm sure you would be quite courteous in the face of unwarranted harassment.
The company can do what it wants, I can comment about it.
“I can comment about it”
Indeed you should! I encourage you to share your… takes at Al every opportunity. Res ipsa and all that
Because a CEO shouldn’t be held to a higher standard than a high-schooler on prom night being confronted by a judgy old dude?
Really? Are you familiar with the name Dylan Mulvaney?
"not to fight the latest iteration of the huckleberry culture war"
Careful, there . . . the proprietor dislikes commenters who call his right-wing audience members huckleberries. He has censored comments and and banned at least one commenter for similar offenses against right-wingers' feelings. That's how "free speech champions" at white, male, conservative blogs roll.
If he wants to ban me for quoting Phil Rizzuto, so be it
You would survive. Maybe thrive. Or even get the last laugh.
I wonder whether Artie Ray might have had something to do with UCLA arranging fewer racial slurs in its law school classrooms, for example. I know it probably was just another small step associated with better Americans winning the culture war . . . and that the hypocrisy with respect to Artie Ray (and others) probably wasn't nearly so important as the general intolerance and aggressive flattery of bigots . . . but who knows?
Are you still on about America's culture war???
Your side doesn't breed, AIDS. It's finished. Whilst it's done great work in tearing the country apart, it's a demographic disaster--and it looks increasingly likely by the day that it is going to drive the country into a 'civil war' (a state of pervasive violence) that it cannot win. Good work!
Further, over the course of the last week, millions of them have finally realised that their preferred media has lied to them about Biden. Now, at least some of them might begin to question what else they've been consistently lied to about for the last eight years. (Thirty years? Their whole lives?)
Your accusations of 'bigotry' are becoming impotent, AIDS. Just like you. It cannot have any power if the hearer knows that the label isn't based in an accusation of genuine ignorance. You're ruined.
Yes 100%. Because now employees see that if something they say or do is taken the wrong way, the mob will force them to lose their job. So yes, the BOD should absolutely say that decisions on their employees are only for actions taking during work hours that relate to the business, not off hours in their own time.
The usual rule* in the USA says an employer can fire an employee for any reason or no reason but not for an illegal reason. So was there an illegal reason here, or should the reason be illegal? Eugene Volokh has a series of posts about protection for off the job First Amendment activity. Calling out an unfortunate fashion choice is not core political acts which are the most often protected kind.
I could get behind protection from discharge due to the acts of an online mob if it could be defined better than "I know it when I see it."
* At least Montana and Puerto Rico give employees some right against discharge without cause or compensation.
Not sure if this is what you're referring to, but the crazy David "Daivd" Behar, who hated lawyers except wanted lots and lots more lawsuits, used to advocate that the people who believed defamatory statements and acted on them should be liable but the people who made the statements shouldn't be. That's incredibly nutty.
Any idea what the negligence per se claim would be for? The opinion doesn't spell it out but what statute is implicated?
I wonder about a suit against the resturaunt. Had they maintained order, none of this would have happened.
And sue the boy's parents for intentional infliction of emotional distress.
“sue the boy’s parents for intentional infliction of emotional distress”
Conservative snowflake legal theory at its finest
Learning the lesson from true snowflakes.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Nonetheless, the [Trump-appointed judge] doesn't share my view on this...
Someone with a more pragmatic approach to legal scholarship might start to poke at whether these defamation and IIED claims are significantly more likely to survive motions of dismiss depending on the defendants' politics vs. the judge's presumed political leanings. It seems to me an awful lot of Trumpy judges are awful willing to let these complaints get to discovery/trial if there's a culture war angle to doing so.
These clingers are fighting a holy war against progress and modernity (reason, inclusiveness, science, diversity, the reality-based world, etc.). . . on a Mission From God. Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller, Ed Martin, Donald Trump, Russell Vought, and some of the other leaders of the QAnon-MAGA-Federalist-Trump-Heritage world continue to explain this.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crybully
The teen couple seem like classic examples.
What sort of a person is "proud to be an ally" of crybullies, and is willing to do "anything...to help" them...
I get the unease about free speech, but to me there is a difference between saying "I don't like this guy" and "here is this guy's info and get him fired". If companies were better and resisting the mob, I could understand. But people shouldn't be allowed to get someone fired, and companies shouldn't be allowed to buckle to a mob.