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Understanding Chevron's Death
Today the Supreme Court ruled, 6-3*, to overrule the doctrine of "Chevron" deference to agencies in Loper Bright Enterprises, consolidated with Relentless Inc.
The bottom line should be unsurprising to anybody who had been following the arguments or the Court's treatment of Chevron over the past decade. The only thing that was harder to tell was whether the Court was going to formally overrule Chevron, or announce a major revision to Chevron but retain the name. It went with the former course.
The logic is pretty straightforward. It is the Court's job to say what the law is, including saying whether an executive branch official or agency has exceeded their authority in a particular case. The APA says Court's should decide questions of law. And so courts should do their job, rather than give the tie to the agency in close cases. (That's not to say that there aren't both formal and functional arguments on the other side, I'm just describing the majority's logic.)
But there are three very important boundaries to the Court's holding.
First, the death of Chevron does not mean that the views of agency officials are irrelevant. If the theory is that they have expertise in questions that are relevant to the statute's meaning, they can still share that expertise and courts can still be persuaded by them. (This has often been called "Skidmore" deference, though I'm not sure the Court intends to retain that name either.)
Second, in many cases agencies will still have broad delegated authority. The Court agrees that in many cases the best reading of the statute will be that the agency has broad power, or that Congress delegated to the agency a bunch of decisionmaking authority. In those cases, the agency still gets great deference as to the exercise of that authority (within the bounds of the non-delegation doctrine and now the major questions doctrine).
[Side note: I'm sure there will be a ton of writing soon about the practical implications of these cases. What I would like to see is a decent approximation or Fermi estimate of how many of the most important regulations are justified on the basis of the interpretation of ambiguous language vs. the implementation of broad delegated authority. Today's cases imperil the former, but don't move the needle on the latter. What percentage of cases are in each category?]
Third, the Court says that under stare decisis, previous applications of Chevron deference are presumptively safe, because the fact that the interpretive framework has changed is not enough of a justification to overrule them. (I don't think Justice Thomas, or Justice Gorsuch, in fact share this view, though they purport to join this part of the opinion.) But of course new regulations and new agency actions may require "new" interpretations, and there will surely be lots of debate in the lower courts about the boundary between old precedents and new cases.
A few other observations about the methodology:
1. The Court rejects the idea of Chevron as a presumption about statutory meaning:
Chevron cannot be reconciled with the APA, as the Government and the dissent contend, by presuming that statutory ambiguities are implicit delegations to agencies. Presumptions have their place in statutory interpretation, but only to the extent that they approximate reality. Chevron's presumption does not, because "[a]n ambiguity is simply not a delegation of law-interpreting power. Chevron confuses the two." C. Sunstein, Interpreting Statutes in the Regulatory State, 103 Harv. L. Rev. 405, 445 (1989).
"Presumptions have their place in statutory interpretation, but only to the extent they approximate reality" is a great line. Is it one that we should take completely seriously? What of many other interpretive presumptions, such as the rule of lenity or the canon of constitutional avoidance, to take two? Are these presumptions going to rise or fall on whether we think Congress really does want to avoid overcriminalization or avoid pushing the bounds of constitutional authority? Or will it turn out that sometimes presumptions are justified on some other legal basis? (In The Law of Interpretation, Steve Sachs and I argue that linguistic presumptions should be justified only to the extent they approximate reality, but that legal presumptions can be justified on the basis of written or unwritten law, so that would have been my preferred way to put the point.)
2. The dissent relies on the views of Louis Jaffe, Kenneth Culp Davis, John Manning, Cass Sunstein, and Adrian Vermeule, leading to this dig from the Gorsuch concurrence:
The dissent suggests that we need not take the APA's directions quite so seriously because the "finest administrative law scholars" from Harvard claim to see in them some wiggle room. Post, at 18 (opinion of Kagan, J.). But nothing in the APA commands deference to the views of professors any more than it does the government. Nor is the dissent's list of Harvard's finest administrative law scholars entirely complete. See S. Breyer et al., Administrative Law and Regulatory Policy 288 (7th ed. 2011) (acknowledging that Chevron deference "seems in conflict with . . . the apparently contrary language of 706"); Kagan 212 (likewise acknowledging Chevron deference rests upon a "fictionalized statement of legislative desire").
3. Justice Gorsuch's concurring opinion about the nature of classical common law reasoning and the role of judges in finding, rather than making, law is a very good contribution to judicial writing about stare decisis. It would only have been strengthened by references to Sachs, Finding Law and Quigley, Article III Lawmaking.
4. It's perhaps a trivial oddity, but even though the cases of Loper Bright (No. 22-451) and Relentless (22-1219) were consolidated and produced only a single set of opinions, Justice Kagan's dissent contains this asterisk:
*JUSTICE JACKSON did not participate in the consideration or decision
of the case in No. 22–451 and joins this opinion only as it applies to the
case in No. 22–1219
People will probably colloquially talk about the "Loper Bright dissent" because Loper Bright's name is first in the caption, but technically Justice Jackson did not join the Loper Bright dissent, only the Relentless dissent. She did something similar in the consolidated cases in Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard and UNC. Richard Re criticized that move here. Co-blogger Josh defended it here.
5. A final thought, which I've already posted on Twitter: Many of the things the Court says about Chevron, such as its lack of any basis in the statutory text, its lack of any basis in historical backdrops, the fact that it is applied in divergent ways, the fact that the Court has repeatedly had to tweak the doctrine out of dissatisfaction with its operation, and the fact that Congress could fix it but it should be an exception to normal principles of statutory decisis because it is a mess of the Court's own creation -- all of these things could also be said, I think, of the doctrine of qualified immunity.
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Under a theory of limited government, I'd argue that ambiguity should be read to limit executive power.
Otherwise agencies default to wielding any power that has not been explicitly constrained.
Yes. Ambiguity's connection to limited government is also related to separation of powers question. Congress can't delegate to an agency a power it does not have. I think that is the progressive's project of the administrative state, which is why they try and obscure that (the EPA's job is to protect the environment, because Congress won't do it). Hoping that such ambiguity can hide Congress's lack of authority in the first place.
You don't think that "protect[ing] the environment" is within Congress's powers? The standard justification I see is the Commerce Clause. That seems reasonable to me. We just need to think about what the "environment" is.
The environment is every place humans live, travel, or use to obtain natural resources. Commerce does not exist without natural resources, nor could humans survive without them, obviously. Maintaining, for the long term, our ability to use natural resources is essential to all commerce.
No, that's not reasonable, because the commerce clause gives Congress the power to regulate commerce. Only commerce, and not even ALL commerce, just commerce across specified borders.
Sure, without sunlight and water there'd be no commerce, but that doesn't mean the commerce clause gives Congress the authority to regulate the rising and setting of the sun.
Sure, since FDR the commerce clause has been perverted into a grant of general power over everything that can be rationalized to have any affect on commerce, even hypothetically. But that's just sophistry to circumvent the Constitution's design for the federal government, which deliberately didn't delegate a lot of topics to Congress.
Sure, without sunlight and water there’d be no commerce, but that doesn’t mean the commerce clause gives Congress the authority to regulate the rising and setting of the sun.
That's a great straw man. Try arguing based on something Congress has actually put into law. Without water there would be no commerce, so Congress passed the Clean Water Act to ensure that businesses engaged in commerce don't pollute water that people would pay to drink (which is commerce, again), among many other things. Do you think that is an unreasonable reading of the Constitution?
"Congress passed the Clean Water Act to ensure that businesses engaged in commerce don’t pollute water that people would pay to drink (which is commerce, again)"
But is it interstate or foreign commerce?
Someone should have told the Sackett family that EPA regulations pursuant to the Clean Water Act only affect businesses! That would have saved them a couple of trips to the Supreme Court.
The EPA asserted (incorrectly) that their land was under federal jurisdiction as Waters of the United States. Congress has authority over WOTUS without an additional hook. Your example is bad, and you should feel bad.
Otherwise agencies default to wielding any power that has not been explicitly constrained.
I don't think that is fair. To say that the authority in a particular case is "ambiguous" would have to mean that it would be at least somewhat reasonable to argue either way as to whether an agency has the authority it is claiming. If an agency is explicitly granted a certain authority, then there is no ambiguity. If it is explicitly constrained from exercising a certain authority, then there is no ambiguity. But there is a third option that is not ambiguous: The claimed authority is neither explicitly granted, nor explicitly constrained, but it is clearly separate from any authority the agency is explicitly granted.
Regulating CO2 emissions under a legal theory that climate change affects human health is something that falls in that last category, I believe. Despite my strong opinion that we had sufficient evidence 30 years ago to show the need to be doing far more to cut emissions than we did, the authority of the Clean Air Act doesn't include mitigating climate change. At least, if my layman's understanding of the Clean Air Act is that it allows for regulation of emissions that affect human health. Climate change is only indirectly related to public health. I doubt that this would be sufficient reasoning to defer to the EPA.
"I don’t think that is fair."
Not just unfair but flatly untrue. The media doesn't report on, or usually know of, agency decisions to not issue a proposed regulation. It happens! Often because the proposal exceeds the agency's statutory authority! Bubba up the there thinks that if he can't see it then it must not exist. All the court cases he's seen are about agencies that issued regulations, after all.
Maybe they'll get around to qualified immunity next, having slain the Chevron dragon. After all, Clarence Thomas hates it.
But QI is an odd thing. The left is suspicious of an individual police officer's power, yet wants to preserve the administrative state's nominal latitude to act arbitrarily against those who deserve it, where the process is the punishment. Those are in tension. Of course the inverse is true of the right. Maybe they can come to some kind of understanding.
“First, the death of Chevron does not mean that the views of agency officials are irrelevant. If the theory is that they have expertise in questions that are relevant to the statute's meaning, they can still share that expertise and courts can still be persuaded by them.”
I’m not holding my breath on this. Conservatives have become so anti-expertise, particularly in areas such as climate change, gun safety, and infectious disease, that this 6 - 3 Court is likely to ignore them in favor of its own uninformed prejudices.
Captcrisis, when it comes to gun control, it's the Democrats who are anti-expertise. Perhaps you just confuse expertise and agreeing with you.
Infectious disease, too. A lot of Covid policy Democrats pushed made little to no sense. Demanding that people who'd actually HAD Covid get vaccinated, for instance; Half the population was walking around with antibodies to Covid, and you guys were still demanding universal vaccination!
Such a weird thing to say. Vaccines were proven to add even more inoculation for people who’d had COVID.
The only expertise Democrats lacked was in understanding just how reflexively retarded the cultish right has become.
Randal,
With each evolving strain, vaccines provided less and less additional immunity compared with the immunity provided by previous infection. Health agencies in the EU recognized early on how marginal this benefit is.
The CDC made many other errors in medical science related to COVID. I've written two published research manuscripts in well-regarded medical journals.
Your reply is disingenuous at best.
Less additional immunity is still more immunity. Anyway, vaccines were never broadly federally mandated. And even in the narrow contexts where they were mandated, it was at the beginning, not after there were a bunch of strains. Finally, you’ve failed to mention that there was practically zero medical reason not to vaccinate. As I said, the mistake was to assume that people’s cult-driven anti-expertise biases would create such a problem for such an obviously medically beneficial policy. That was a real mistake. The CDC was too focused on the medical data and not enough the sad state of American political reality.
There are costs and risks to weigh against the benefits. The costs of vaccinating people was fewer doses available to vaccinate those had no prior infection, the risk is sever side effects of vaccine.
Consider it from the other side, prior infection gave additonal immunity above vaccination alone, so why not mandate everyone be infected with covid, and only then be vaccinated? Because the risks outweigh the benefits.
The risk of severe side effects was known and trivial. That’s medical science.
Then you raise some process points around scarcity. Process is an important consideration. But vaccines weren’t scarce for very long. While they were, they were prioritized by risk group, starting with the elderly… and obviously not mandated.
It’s hard to second-guess process choices because so many variables go into logistics, including simplicity. How do you verify who’s had COVID? Is it worth the additional complexity to try, just to reorder a few people by a few weeks?
Total BS. The risk of side effects from esp the ModRNA vaccines was/is significant. The danger was minimized and ignored by the bureaucrats in charge. Mostly though, it was in the form of not requiring the types of testing and validation required by law (thanks to their Emergency Use Authorization). Pfizer and the regulators had agreed on 75 years before their safety data needed to be released to the public. And they are now two years since their myocarditis and pericarditis study was completed, and we are still waiting for the results (due December 2022).
Face it, there was no medical justification for Vaxing probably anyone under say 50, absent comorbidities and the like. Death toll of the virus for those under 20 was in the range of 1 in a million. The vaccines killed far more than that (esp with such a low death toll from the virus for that age group). COVID-19 killed the very old (as does the flu) and the morbidly obese. But rarely anyone else.
I'm assuming you made up the "in the range of 1 in a million" for under 20 deaths. But that would have been about 2600 deaths of people under 20 from Covid-19 worldwide. Can you link to anything that supports that many deaths because of the vaccine?
As noted by Don Nico, the additional immunity obtained from vaccination over and above the level of immunity previously acquired from natural infection was very small and became even smaller with each additional booster shot. There is some legitimate medical science debate on whether vaccination actually impeded development of a broader more robust immunity from natural infection. Given the frequency of individuals catching covid multiple times even though vaxed and boosted, I am simply noting the such data indicates a moderate possibility that the vax did impede the development of a broader more robust immunity.
Perhaps. But it's easy to find non-optimal decisions in hindsight. I haven't heard anyone claim that every COVID decision was optimal, given what we know now. Not even Fauci.
It was very well known by the mid summer of 2021 that the getting the vax post infection provided very little additional benefit. That should have been commonly known after the kentucky vax after natural infection study. Bad math gave the illusion of a stronger immunity from vax post natural infection.
there were strong indications by mid to late summer that the vax would have a moderate possibility of impeding the development of a broader immunity which made the demands for getting vaxed and double vaxed for those not at risk quite troublesome. Especially since it was reasonably well known as early as Oct / Nov 2020 (yes Nov 2020 as revealed in emails) n the pharmacetical companies that developed the vaxes, that the vaxes provided very little protection against transmission or infection.
A bunch of what you just said is bullshit, but let's take arguendo that
there were strong indications by mid to late summer that the vax would have a moderate possibility of impeding the development of a broader immunity
So? The need at the time was to slow the immediate spread... even at the potential cost of "impeding the development of a broader immunity."
Impeding the development of a broader immunity was worth the millions of lives saved in the acute phase of the pandemic, in other words.
No. There was no need at that time slowing the spread of the virus. In spring of 2020, yes, when the authorities still believed that venting people was often necessary. And there was an expected shortage of ventilators. But it turned out that the ventilators killed more people than they saved, so for the most part, by that summer, there was no need to slow the spread of the virus.
And after the first jab, there as no medical reason to be jabbed again. The traditional role of vaccines was to teach the immune system that the virus is an antigen. That was demonstrably done with the first jab for almost everyone. After that, the subsequent jabs typically resulted in a massive immune system reaction to the two spike proteins produced, in immense quantities, by the ModRNA vaccines. So, until the ModRNA producing those spike proteins can be eliminated (often 2 months or more), the only protection afforded is a high level of antibodies already present in the body for those 2 spike proteins. Except that under that pressure, the virus quickly mutated so that the cross reactivity between those antibodies and the virus very quickly disappeared. By the Delta variant, it was maybe half of what it was initially, and almost disappeared by the time that Omicron took over. That wouldn’t have been a problem, except that the immune system doesn’t fix into its memory closely affiliated viruses nearly as well as it did initially. And, thus, natural immunity after the jabs is greatly reduced. Recent study showed that Long Covid, as yell as repeated infection, is exceedingly rare in those who were infected before being jabbed.
Randal 20 hours ago
"So? The need at the time was to slow the immediate spread… even at the potential cost of “impeding the development of a broader immunity.”"
Randal - You are very far behind the learning curve.
The discussion is the marginal effectiveness of the vax post natural infection. As others have pointed out, there was only a small incremental benefit of getting vaxed after natural infection. That was well known in the summer of 2021.
Yet you discuss "slowing the spread" which by the spring of 2021 was nothing more than a talking point.
More on slowing the spread. A lot has been suggested about herd immunity. But that was effectively impossible by the time that Delta became dominant, given its infectivity, assuming that the vaccine was sanitizing (no infection after vaccination, which was known not to be true by June of 2020). The level of coverage would have needed to have been somewhere between 80-85%. With the non-sanitizing ModRNA vaccines, 100% coverage would have needed to be over 100%. Then, with Omicron, the coverage would have to have been >95%, if sterilizing. And it wasn’t. Not even close. Fauci, presumably fully boosted, has caught COVID-19 at least 5 times so far.
“Impeding the development of a broader immunity was worth the millions of lives saved in the acute phase of the pandemic, in other words.”
Only in your imagination. As I pointed out earlier, there was no real reason to give anyone the jab under, say, 50, maybe even 60, absent significant comorbidities. The reality is that it saved very few lives, and probably cost more than it saved, overall.
Don
Can y provide links to those papers
A key point as far as I'm concerned is that there's a reason people who've previously been vaccinated get booster shots, not the full vaccination. Pre-existing immunity raises the odds of an adverse reaction to the full shot.
So the demand that people with pre-existing natural immunity get, not a booster shot, but the full vaccine, was subjecting them to unnecessary risk, even if the boost by itself was thought to be worth it.
Just one way the refusal to actually follow the science on Covid drove policies that were often actively harmful.
I suspect that the refusal to acknowledge natural immunity was a matter of bureaucratic convenience; It was quite easy to keep track of who had been vaccinated, but no good system was yet in place to track who had previously had the illness, so the medical bureaucrats decided to simply pretend that everyone who hadn't been vaccinated was immunologically naive. Even if this drove policies that would harm actual patients.
Not all vaccines work the same way. You're taking random vaccine anecdotes and assuming they apply to COVID. They don't. This is why medical data and expertise matter.
Yes medical science and expertise matter -
Immunity from Natural infection has almost always provided broader and more robust immunity than vaccination. As Don Nico pointed out, there only a very small improvement in immunity which didnt last very long.
Why would you think Covid vaccines would be different - other than repeating CDC discredited talking points.
COVID therapeutics weren't inoculations. Just an FYI.
Conservatives have become so anti-expertise, particularly in areas such as climate change, gun safety, and infectious disease, that this 6 – 3 Court is likely to ignore them in favor of its own uninformed prejudices.
And that’s assuming SCOTUS is gonna take all these cases. In practice, the wannabe authoritarians on the Fifth Circuit will happily take over national policymaking.
Then we’ll have circuit splits where agency rules work differently in different parts of the country. Fun!
This ruling would be much less problematic if federal judges could be trusted to act as judges rather than larp as pontiffs.
I feel captcrisis is only going through the motions here.
But this, quoted on Scotusblog, is the real thing. A Major League hissy fit from "Experts R Us" :
But Kym Meyer, the litigation director for the Southern Environmental Law Center, decried the ruling in a statement. “[T]he Supreme Court today says individual judges around the country should decide the best reading of a statute. That is a recipe for chaos, as hundreds of federal judges — who lack the expertise of agency personnel — are certain to reach inconsistent results on the meaning of federal laws as applied to complex, technical issues.”
The sheer effrontery of it ! Judges holding themselves out as qualified to interpret statutes ? What will they think of next ?
She is just mad her pets in the EPA can't do what they want.
The gun "experts" at the ATF had an epiphany and stated that pistol braces magically turn pistols into short barreled rifles.
One of the many reasons why so many people don't trust government "experts".
Hopefully this SC ruling kicks them, and others like them, square in the balls.
I am a pretty strident gun nut, but I don't exactly think it's crazy that someone might think that, say, this is a rifle, not a pistol.
It's also not crazy to argue that a device that allows a firearm to fire 7 rounds per second makes a machine gun, but the ATF doesn't have the authority to rewrite statutory law to implement a "not crazy" alternative threshold. Similarly for the line between pistols and short barreled rifles.
Once again, the Chief proves himself the GOAT at politely backhanding dissenters.
(within the bounds of the non-delegation doctrine and now the major questions doctrine).
Both of these doctrines are entirely SCOTUS created, just like qualified immunity and other ideas with no basis in the text of the Constitution. They are nothing but inferences extremely weakly grounded in the structure of the government. Justices only came up with them in the past because they figured that the government would have to work that way, or else . Sometimes, such reasoning might actually seem quite reasonable. But non-delegation and major questions doctrines, in particular, only sound reasonable if you don't look at how they get applied. In practice, they look like tools for right-wing judges to strike down policies that they don't like.
It is not feasible for Congress to duplicate even a tenth of the work that federal agencies do to create regulations. It would be quite crazy for judges to apply non-delegation very strictly, so it ends up with judges that have an political or ideological bent to apply it inconsistently according to their preferences. What counts as a "major question" for that doctrine is entirely subjective. Justices that support that doctrine are thus ready to allow themselves or those on lower courts to insert their own ideas of what federal policy should be.
All doctrines are created.
"ideas with no basis in the text of the Constitution"
Like the "right of privacy"? Like everyone else, you like some of he "created" doctrines and don't like others.
"It is not feasible for Congress to duplicate even a tenth of the work that federal agencies do to create regulations."
The agencies can still do the work. Congress can approve or reject.
Actually, the 4th amendment serves as a pretty good basis for a right to privacy.
"4th amendment serves as a pretty good basis for a right to privacy."
Only if you ignore the text. It forbids "unreasonable searches and seizures", nothing else.
How is buying birth control pills, a search or a seizure?
Exactly. The 4th Amendment's specific protection of privacy implies there is no general right of privacy protected by the Constitution, because otherwise the specific right to privacy would be redundant.
Boyd v. U.S. argues the Fourth Amendment was ratified to protect a wider range of protections of private life.
I don't think birth control and so on is merely protected because of the Fourth Amendment. I think Griswold appropriately spoke of multiple constitutional amendments that reflect an overarching right to privacy.
The 4A does protect privacy in a multitude of ways, especially if we consider constructive searches and seizures.
Birth control protects a woman's body from pregnancy. If the government denies a right to birth control, they are constructively seizing it to use for baby making.
"Only if you ignore the text. It forbids “unreasonable searches and seizures”, nothing else."
...he says, ignoring the text of the 9th amendment. Are you arguing that constitutionally enumerated rights are the only rights held by US citizens?
The agencies can still do the work. Congress can approve or reject.
And the non-delegation doctrine would have judges second-guess Congress on that. Congress doesn't act to reject a regulation that the judges think is wrong, so they take it upon themselves to do it.
Like the “right of privacy”? Like everyone else, you like some of he “created” doctrines and don’t like others.
Of course. And I already stated one way that I evaluate whether such judge-created doctrines are reasonable or not - by looking at how they get applied.
For one thing, the right to privacy isn't stated in the text of the Constitution. But the 9th Amendment does explicitly say that we should not use that as an argument to deny that a claimed right exists. All of us around here should know the history well enough to understand how the Bill of Rights came about and the arguments for and against including one in the Constitution. One of the arguments against including a Bill of Rights was exactly what conservatives do regarding the right to "privacy" - that listing the rights of the people might lead to some arguing that the people had only those rights, and those people would then try and use that as justification to expand government power.
I'd have to spend the time to look it up again to quote it accurately, but I distinctly remember reading the record of James Madison speaking in Congress in support of passing the 9th Amendment. He seemed to think it very unlikely that anyone would be so obtuse as to make that kind of argument, and even less that it would be persuasive, but he figured that including the language of the 9th Amendment in the Bill of Rights would be a way of keeping it from happening at all. He obviously expected better understanding of the Constitution than what some conservatives that claim to love it have.
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
By its terms, the 9th Amendment is a rule of construction. It doesn't grant or protect any rights. You can have a right but not a constitutionally protected right. The common law and states grant and protect rights independent of the federal community. The 9th Amendment merely states that enumerating some rights the Constitution--i.e., putting up a constitutional shield for them--does not mean other rights don't exist or can't be enforced or protected through other means, particularly state courts.
This looks really ahistorical to me. I'd like to see where your line of thinking comes from.
My thinking comes from the text of the 9th Amendment, which expressly says it’s a rule of construction.
It expressly says that you shall not "construe" (to understand or explain the meaning; interpret) the listing of rights in the Constitution to "deny or disparage" other rights of the people. Claiming that rights not listed are not as well protected as the listed ones surely counts as disparaging them.
“Claiming that rights not listed are not as well protected as the listed ones surely counts as disparaging them.”
No it doesn’t. Giving federal constitutional protection to some rights has no effect on the existence or effectiveness of others not listed. That doesn’t mean they can’t be abrogated by other means.
Let’s say a state constitution protected the “preexisting and ancient right to own a dog.” The 9th Amendment says enumerating some rights doesn’t undermine your state constitutional right to own a dog. But it doesn’t protect that right from the state passing a state constitutional amendment revoking it.
So, after revocation, if the state then passed a law that said people couldn’t have dogs, and someone sued, a court—consistent with the 9th Amendment—couldn’t say, “Well, they passed a federal constitution enumerating a bunch of rights. So you don’t have a right to own a dog.” But it could say, “The people of this state amended their constitution and revoked that right. The state can therefore outlaw dog ownership now.”
(For the record, that would be a shitty law justifying a new revolution.)
https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/amendments/amendment-ix/interpretations/131
This sums up the history and the thinking of various legal scholars. You can judge for yourself how well your views line up with any of it.
Area Man — I suggest caution before concluding there is anything there which relates to any individual right anyone in particular could vindicate in any forum. In founder-speak the term, "the people," again and again turns out to be a reference to the joint popular sovereign, not some particular person, however hypothetical.
So it’s the “joint popular sovereign” that’s protected from unreasonable searches and seizures?
Congratulations to EV and Randy Barnett who are both on the Board of the New Civil Liberties Alliance (Glenn Reynolds, Janice Rogers Brown and Jonathan Mitchell are also.on the board), and represented Relentless.
However Murtha was also an NCLA case so it wasn't a perfect week, but Relentless/Loper Bright was big.
Thanks for telling us that EV is on a board with Janice Rogers Brown and those two others.
My opinion of EV declines even more.
Laurence Tribe @tribelaw
"The ones I feel sorry for are my administrative law colleagues who built their courses and careers around the intricacies of Chevron deference."
Sniff sniff. Boo hoo.
This is a larger problem.
One of the reasons that, say, the tax system is so complicated is because the people who understand it best make money off of it being complicated.
That's probably true about the legal system, too.
The tax code is so complicated because it's sixteen million pages of political power and favors.
The powers at be will never simplify it. They never give back power.
The fundamental reasons the tax system is so complicated are:
1. The difficulty of defining income once you get past salaries and wages and ordinary investment income.
2. The large number of credits, exemptions, special provisions, etc. designed to favor various constituencies.
"...all of these things could also be said, I think, of the doctrine of qualified immunity."
And I think that Justice Thomas can't wait to have the opportunity to say them.
I have two views on this.
On the one hand, I am concerned about the end of Chevron. It has been a relied-upon decision for a very long time. And I worry that its end is just a power-grab by the judiciary.
On the other hand, I have practiced in a state that ended (state) deference to administrative agencies. And ... it honestly doesn't do much. Courts are still, as a matter of course, more likely to defer to the expertise of agencies on matters, although without calling it a rule of deference. I'm not saying that it doesn't matter at all, just that as observed, it mattered a lot lot lot less than people thought it would.
"Reliance" has led to some bad outcomes in multiple instances.
And that is exactly the opportunity and potential benefit: to more efficiently harmonize state action by bringing not only the expertise of state agencies to procedure, but as is too often lacking under Chevron, the expertise of the judiciary, particularly in assuring that agency action is limited within the scope of applicable statutes.
Anybody who has trouble with the major questions doctrine should almost surely have trouble with the loss of Chevron deference. But that deference seems an abdication of the judiciary’s essential role (as set forth in the APA?) in limiting state authority and actions to those granted by the people, as enacted through their elected legislature, in statutes.
The legislature may expand state action as it wishes. But often enough, there is insufficient consensus in the legislature to enact enabling legislation. That legislative inaction, that which a legislature considers but specifically does not enact, should indicate a lack of delegation of authority therein. Agencies are executors of our laws, fundamentally and explicitly as enacted and limited by those laws. This cannot be a “government of the people” if agencies can substantially expand their authority without explicitly having been granted such additional authority by the legislature.
We are a nation of laws, not subjects of a state. A judiciary that’s more active in administrative procedure will hopefully (and expectedly) improve our execution of who we are in and as a nation of laws.
If courts are going to be making these determinations now, can Gorsuch get his scientific terms straight, as least? The good neighbor case was not about laughing gas, FFS. That he would commit a basic error like that the day before voting to overrule chevron is like 10,000 spoons on your wedding day.
"10,000 spoons on your wedding day"
Can you get your pop culture references straight, as least? The 10,000 spoons was not about a wedding day, FFS. That you would commit a basic error.
Big jagged little pill fan, huh?
FTFY
They corrected that.
I like justice Jackson more and more each day. She's independent, smart and has the integrity to recuse herself unlike Harlan's boy.
"Boy"? Just say the word we all know you're thinking.
I like that Jackson! She knows her place, unlike that uppity Thomas.
He would never think that word. He didn't mean "boy" like that. He meant it like "boy," as in useless backwater scum of the earth.
Good people like Hobie know how to spot them, and what to call them now, when they don't fall in line.
BTW...when did "boy" become OK?
Okay I take it back. Let me rephrase: 'Harlan's bitch'
The words were never the problem. It was always the hate, the contempt, that drove the real differences.
Call him what you want. It doesn't change what you mean.
Clarence Thomas is a contemptible person. Corrupt, dishonest, and a plainly bad jurist. You love him for his politics, but would you still apart from that?
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"I like justice Jackson more and more each day. She’s independent, smart and has the integrity to recuse herself unlike Harlan’s boy."
She didnt show any smarts in the Moore concurrence. She grossly misconstrued the holdings in the three cases she cited in support of the govt's position in Moore