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The Three Trump Appointees In Rahimi
Justices Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett are fracturing over originalism.
I have spent some time thinking about how the three Trump appointees differ. In Rahimi, Justices Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett each wrote concurring opinions. And they are not on the same page. I'm not even sure they're reading from the same book. Rahimi provides another opportunity to consider how the troika approaches originalism.
Justice Gorsuch
I'm still uncertain what to make of Justice Gorsuch's dissent. I see some pangs of guilt for not joining Justice Thomas's dissent. He writes:
I appreciate that one of our colleagues sees things differently. Post, at 6–7 (THOMAS, J., dissenting). But if reasonable minds can disagree whether § 922(g)(8) is analogous to past practices originally understood to fall outside the Second Amendment''s scope, we at least agree that is the only proper question a court may ask.
Even if Gorsuch is not persuaded by Roberts's historical examples in all regards, Gorsuch seems convinced that this particular facial challenge cannot succeed.
And, at least in some cases, the statute before us works in the same way and does so for the same reasons [as the surety laws]: It permits a court to disarm a person only if, after notice and hearing, it finds that he "represents a credible threat to the physical safety" of others.
The facial challenge analysis is key to Gorsuch's vote. The opening paragraph of the Gorsuch's concurrence focuses on United States v. Salerno:
Mr. Rahimi pursues the "most difficult challenge to mount successfully": a facial challenge. United States v. Salerno, 481 U. S. 739, 745 (1987). He contends that 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8) violates the Second Amendment "in all its applications." Bucklew v. Precythe, 587 U. S. 119, 138 (2019). To prevail, he must show "no set of circumstances" exists in which that law can be applied without violating the Second Amendment. Salerno, 481 U. S., at 745. I agree with the Court that he has failed to make that showing. Ante, at 8.
Salerno is the case that judges cite when they do not want to declare a law unconstitutional. See Judge Sutton's opinion in the Obamacare litigation. Rahimi's merits brief didn't even cite Salerno. And the SG cited it once in her reply brief. During oral argument, Rahimi's lawyer said Salerno was not relevant. Instead, this case mirrored the facial challenge in United States v. Lopez. I think the Salerno dodge helped Roberts button up the eight-member majority. He is very good at what he does.
Justice Gorsuch tries to mediate some synergy between the three concurrences:
If changes are to be made to the Constitution's directions, they must be made by the American people. Nor is there anything remotely unusual about any of this. Routinely, litigants and courts alike must consult history when seeking to discern the meaning and scope of a constitutional provision. See post, at 6–16 (KAVANAUGH, J., concurring) (offering examples). And when doing so, litigants and courts "must exercise care." See post, at 3, n. (BARRETT, J., concurring)
But I think that Justices Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett are quite far apart.
Gorsuch concludes:
Among all the opinions issued in this case, its central messages should not be lost. The Court reinforces the focus on text, history, and tradition, following exactly the path we described in Bruen.
Far from it. The Court rewrites Bruen, which apparently had a two-year expiration date.
Kavanaugh
Justice Kavanaugh wrote a 24-page concurrence that was about 24 pages too long. I give Kavanaugh credit for trying to lay out an intellectual foundation to support his approach to originalism, but the only person who will be persuaded is Justice Kavanaugh himself. And maybe that was the purpose. None of the other originalists on the Court even gestured in agreement with Kavanaugh. In years past, Justices Barrett and Kavanaugh were joined at the hip, but now ACB seems to be breaking away towards Justice Kagan, who can continuously reinvent herself with the principle of the day to find a new vote.
Reading through the Kavanaugh concurrence, I saw very little that was novel. It was mostly a synthesis of what a few originalist scholars have written about tradition. And, for better or worse, those scholars were primarily responding to recent decisions from the Roberts Court about tradition. And those same scholars, for better or worse, will now praise Kavanaugh who praised their work. Kavanaugh's Rahimi concurrence closed the feedback loop. The next step in this feedback loop will be creating a taxonomy for tradition. Kavanaugh suggests four factors:
Post-ratification history is sometimes also referred to as tradition, liquidation, or historical gloss. Those concepts are probably not identical in all respects. In any event, in applying those concepts in constitutional interpretation, some important questions can arise, such as: (i) the level of generality at which to define a historical practice; (ii) how widespread a historical practice must have been; (iii) how long ago it must have started; and (iv) how long it must have endured.
Are we really going to do this? Measure how long some post-ratification tradition has "endured" to determine original meaning? I get that this inquiry is baked into the Glucksberg substantive due process test, but that framework is not originalist.
Kavanaugh also tried to retcon many opinions from Justice Scalia to support his view of tradition. The string-cites were interminable. Justice Kavanaugh also went to great lengths to find support for his views in writings of Scalia, Bork, and Rehnquist. He cited each of these articles at least twice.
- A. Scalia, Originalism: The Lesser Evil, 57 U. Cin. L. Rev. 849, 864 (1989)
- A. Scalia, The Rule of Law as a Law of Rules, 56 U. Chi. L. Rev. 1175, 1183 (1989)
- R. Bork, Neutral Principles and Some First Amendment Problems, 47 Ind. L. J. 1, 21–22 (1971)
- W. Rehnquist, The Notion of a Living Constitution, 54 Texas L. Rev. 693, 697 (1976)
Kavanaugh even favorably cites the John Roberts "umpire" metaphor, and grafts the umpire claim onto Scalia!
To begin, as I have explained, that kind of balancing approach to constitutional interpretation departs from what Framers such as Madison stated, what jurists such as Marshall and Scalia did, what judges as umpires should strive to do, and what this Court has actually done across the constitutional landscape for the last two centuries.
After a while, it felt almost uncomfortable how Kavanaugh was trying to claim Scalia's mantle. We get it. Scalia is an important figure in Supreme Court history. But you are allowed to have your own thoughts that deviate from Justice Scalia. Justice Scalia also wrote Smith and favored Chevron. You can disagree with Scalia. I've done it many times. He was not infallible. David Lat's new column quoted Justice Barrett, who said during her confirmation hearing, "I assure you, I have my own mind." And she meant it!
Meanwhile, Justice Kavanaugh offered an encomium to this motley crew of "judges of wisdom":
But the first stop in this Court's constitutional decisionmaking is the Court's precedents—the accumulated wisdom of jurists from Marshall and Story to Harlan and Taft; from Hughes and Black to Jackson and White; from Rehnquist and O'Connor to Kennedy and Scalia; and so on.
Some of those names do not belong on that list. The co-authors of Casey--O'Connor and Kennedy--for starters. And what about Taft? Hughes? Black? And I'm not sure which White he was referring to--Byron or Edward Douglass? Or was White listed to draw a contrast with Black? I much prefer Justice Scalia's takedown of Justice Kennedy in Obergefell:
The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie.
Then there are the contestable contentions in Kavanaugh's opinion. Mike Rappaport points out two mistakes Kavanuagh made about post-ratification history.
First, Kavanaugh states that "when the text is vague and the pre-ratification history is elusive or inconclusive, post-ratification history becomes especially important" because "absent precedent, there can be little else to guide a judge deciding a constitutional case in that situation, unless the judge simply defaults to his or her own policy preferences."
Wrong, wrong, wrong. . . .
Second, Kavanaugh cites Justice Scalia for the proposition that "post-ratification history" from "far beyond the time of enactment" are "indicative of original meaning." (Kavanaugh here cites Mike Ramsey.) While Scalia may have said this, it is simply not true. Even Scalia nods.
Again, Scalia is not perfect.
Kavanaugh also purports to list about twenty instances in which the Constitution has "strikingly clear prose." I'm not certain about several of them. To take one example, the text of the Pardon Clause may be clear, but can the President pardon himself?
Kavanaugh also uses the words "vague" and "broadly worded" interchangeably. Somewhere, Professor Solum is turning his tent-card to make a comment.
I hesitate to criticize Kavanaugh, since he is actually trying to explain his thinking. Kudos to him! But at times, it felt like a law review note about originalism. I don't know if it will warrant inclusion in any casebook because it is so long, and so anodyne.
Justice Barrett
Justice Barrett's concurrence in Vidal, as I predicted, signaled her buyer's remorse of Bruen.
Barrett's concurrence in Rahimi offered her condensed view of originalism:
Because the Court has taken an originalist approach to the Second Amendment, it is worth pausing to identify the basic premises of originalism. The theory is built on two core principles: that the meaning of constitutional text is fixed at the time of its ratification and that the "discoverable historical meaning … has legal significance and is authoritative in most circumstances." K. Whittington, Originalism: A Critical Introduction, 82 Ford. L. Rev. 375, 378 (2013) (Whittington). Ratification is a democratic act that renders constitutional text part of our fundamental law, see Arts. V, VII, and that text "remains law until lawfully altered," S. Sachs, Originalism: Standard and Procedure, 135 Harv. L. Rev. 777, 782 (2022). So for an originalist, the history that matters most is the history surrounding the ratification of the text; that backdrop illuminates the meaning of the enacted law. History (or tradition) that long postdates ratification does not serve that function. To be sure, postenactment history can be an important tool. For example, it can "reinforce our understanding of the Constitution's original meaning"; "liquidate ambiguous constitutional provisions"; provide persuasive evidence of the original meaning; and, if stare decisis applies, control the outcome. See Vidal v. Elster–––– (2024) (BARRETT, J., concurring in part). But generally speaking, the use of postenactment history requires some justification other than originalism simpliciter.
In a single paragraph, Justice Barrett undermines Justice Kavanaugh's treatise on tradition. It would have been meaningful if the Justices had some sort of back-and-forth, rather than simply asserting their views seriatim. Again, I'm not sure who Justice Kavanaugh is trying to persuade, but Justice Barrett is signaling loud and clear that she is not up for persuasion.
Next, Barrett explains that her reservation in Bruen was not limited to the 1791/1868 question (as I had suspected):
In Bruen, the Court took history beyond the founding era, considering gun regulations that spanned the 19th century. 597 U. S., at 50–70. I expressed reservations about the scope of that inquiry but concluded that the timing question did not matter to Bruen's holding. Id., at 81–83 (concurring opinion). It bears emphasis, however, that my questions were about the time period relevant to discerning the Second Amendment's original meaning—for instance, what is the post-1791 cutoff for discerning how the Second Amendment was originally understood? Id., at 82 ("How long after ratification may subsequent practice illuminate original public meaning?"). My doubts were not about whether "tradition," standing alone, is dispositive. Id., at 83 ("[T]oday's decision should not be understood to endorse freewheeling reliance on historical practice from the mid-to-late 19th century to establish the original meaning of the Bill of Rights"). As I have explained elsewhere, evidence of "tradition" unmoored from original meaning is not binding law. Vidal, 602 U. S., at –––– – –––– (BARRETT, J., concurring in part) (slip op., at 13–15). And scattered cases or regulations pulled from history may have little bearing on the meaning of the text. Samia v. United States, 599 U. S. 635, 656–657 (2023) (BARRETT, J., concurring in part and concurring in judgment).
Justice Barrett address the "level of generality"--an evergreen question for originalists.
Courts have struggled with this use of history in the wake of Bruen. One difficulty is a level of generality problem: Must the government produce a founding-era relative of the challenged regulation—if not a twin, a cousin? Or do founding-era gun regulations yield concrete principles that mark the borders of the right?
The "cousin" line reminds me of her "in-law" line in Sheetz. Barrett likes familial references. See also her discussion of kids and amusement parks in the student loan case.
Barrett writes that she looks to "historical regulations" for a "principle, not a mold." She explains, "To be consistent with historical limits, a challenged regulation need not be an updated model of a historical counterpart." And she rejects a "use it or lose it" view of legislative authority, in which if a legislature fails to use their maximum power, future governments lose that power. This is like the inverse of an adverse possession theory of law, as Justice Scalia described it in Noel Canning.
And how do you know what that "principle" ought to be? Barrett writes:
To be sure, a court must be careful not to read a principle at such a high level of generality that it waters down the right. Pulling principle from precedent, whether case law or history, is a standard feature of legal reasoning, and reasonable minds sometimes disagree about how broad or narrow the controlling principle should be.
I think this is probably the greatest area of overlap between Justice Barrett and Justice Kavanaugh. She will look to post-ratification practice to determine originalist "principles," but does not contend those principles are themselves indicia of original meaning. I don't think this is fully thought-through, but I'm starting to see the contours of her approach.
The developing challenge with Justice Barrett is not whether she understands originalist methodology. She does, and articulates it well. Rather, the debate is over how much evidence of original meaning she demands before following original meaning. From Fulton to Brackeen to Rahimi, she wants a perfectly-compelling case to persuade her. Otherwise, Justice Barrett's mind is made up. I'm not sure why she has adopted this high burden. But the upshot is that in any given case, so long as Barrett convinces herself that lawyers did not meet the burden, she will revert to some non-originalist form of judging. Justice Barrett would prefer to openly avoid originalism, rather than pretending to follow what she sees as shoddy originalism. She will let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Finally, one last note on Barrett.
Chief Justice Roberts's majority opinion includes this sentence:
Taken together, the surety and going armed laws confirm what common sense suggests: When an individual poses a clear threat of physical violence to another, the threatening individual may be disarmed.
Justice Barrett's opinion from the Seventh Circuit in Kanter v. Barr included this sentence:
Kanter v. Barr, 919 F. 3d 437, 451, 464–465 (CA7 2019) (Barrett, J., dissenting) ("History is consistent with common sense: it demonstrates that legislatures have the power to prohibit dangerous people from possessing guns").
Roberts knows how to hold a majority.
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Perhaps this is the time to point out that just because judges were nominated by the same president it doesn't mean they are all going to think the same.
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That likely depends on how one feels about old-timey bigotry, traditional unearned privilege, and adult-onset superstition.
Scalia famously died on his back with a pillow over his face.
That was the Pink Mafia's version of the Sicilian necktie....the Pillow-Biter.
A great man was murdered, and you have no honor or shame.
The Nazi child sure loves the smell of his own bullshit.
(kinda pathetic, that)
You realize this is crackhead nonsense, right?
Standard fare at the Volokh Conspiracy.
Provide one quote of anything bigoted from the great Anthony Scalia or shut the f up.
His statements and decisions about gays were bigoted to the core, you half-educated, worthless, bigoted, right-wing, Volokh Conspiracy-level stain on American society.
I eagerly await your replacement. Probably not worth an entire cheeseburger-crabmeat-shrimp-bacon menu, but I hope to savor a nice beer to commemorate the occasion.
I was going to mention the pederasts and child-abusers quote from Scalia’s Georgetown speech, but you got in first with your own bigotry, so no thanks. You and Riva and the other RW bigots here deserve each other. Get a room and leave the rest of us out of it.
Who are you? The above nut-burger's insane son? Like I said above, provide the alleged bigoted quote or shut the F up.
Here you go, dipshit.
That’s not a quote dipshit. That’s a link to your idiotic google search, where you found a list of more leftist publications authored by fellow idiots who lack the intelligence to understand Scalia.
Yes, I know what it is, obviously, and yes, you are very much a dipshit. Mea culpa for engaging with you at all, much less doing your googling for you and assuming the tiniest modicum of good faith. It won't happen again.
Yet you offer no quote but like the idiot above you refuse to shut the f up. In other words, you have no basis for your asinine contentions. Other than that you’re an ass.
Grow up. I linked to a search that has the quotes all over the page. Pretending you didn’t see them is about as persuasive as your personality is winning.
Then it should be easy for you to present a quote that proves your point. you cannot because no such quote exists. All you've proven is that leftist rants exist.
Not that I expect you to find anything bigoted about comparing gays to pederasts and child-abusers. But you asked.
Given today’s insane trans rights garbage, I’d say Scalia was prescient, not bigoted.
Q.E.D.
Is that your quote? Almost like you’ve got nothing. No that’s exactly what it is.
Actually, there is a reason you provide no quote. It’s because Scalia made no such comparison and you lack the intellectually integrity to concede that point. Notwithstanding your google list of leftist diatribes, Scalia was comparing the underlying rationale for justifying constitutional rights, pointing out that there was no principled difference between the two cases under the offered justifications. And, as noted, today’s insane world of trans story hours and drag shows proves him right.
Anyone who spends 30 seconds looking at my linked Google search can see you’re a lying dipshit. Who do you think you’re impressing?
All you would have to do is provide a quote that proves me wrong. But you can't. Because it doesn't exist.
Again, who do you think you’re fooling? Not that anyone else is likely to be following at this point, so it’s probably just you and me, but even if someone else did care, do you really think they can’t click on a link? You’re pathetic.
That's just following the data.
Don't deny science.
Disdaining right-wing bigots does not constitute bigotry. You seem confused.
If that’s all you did, you’d be correct. But it’s not by a long shot. You use the broadest of brushes to smear by region, by culture, by ideology, religion, mental illness, and probably a bunch of other factors that aren’t leaping to mind. (And of course that's all in addition to the idiotic axe you perpetually grind with Eugene Volokh which you're too blinkered to see makes you look like an asshole and does him no reputational harm whatsoever.)
Is their bigotry worse? Yes. So what? Yours is still bigotry, and if your head wasn’t planted so irretrievably up your tribal butt, you’d know that any bigotry is bad enough.
Hey Revolting, one of your “Bettors” Jamaal “The Human Stretch Mark” Bowman getting his own Fire Alarm pulled tonight, getting “Replaced” you might say, by an “Endangered” Species, a DemoKKKrat who supports Israel
Frank
So, you have nothing yet you don't shut the F up. Crazy and stupid. Qualifies you to be a NY judge. Actually you're overqualified.
As usual, none of this stuff matters.
The court knew it would be 8-1 when it took the case.
The 8 set out to curb Bruen. To make sure that everyone knew that Bruen was not intended to allow dangerous people to legally own guns.
That’s all you need to know about Rahimi.
The rest of it is theological stuff.
Except for Thomas’ dissent, which nicely explains why we have a 2nd Amendment in the first place, and totally challenges the right of the government to disarm people simply by getting a judge to declare them dangerous. Thomas suggests that a person needs to be charged with a crime to lose such a liberty.
Considering how the Democrats/Globalists at HHS were recently caught conspiring to declare being a Republican a "public health concern", this case is terrifying. We know how Democrat judges operate. We know how Democrat bureaucrats operate. How know how vile and evil Democrats are, especially the ones in government.
This puts our lives in danger.
Being a Republican clearly is a mental health concern. You're exhibit A.
Are you saying superstition -- nonsense -- is not entitled to the same respect as reason and science?
What about bigotry?
You realize this is crackhead nonsense, right?
She will look to post-ratification practice to determine originalist "principles," but does not contend those principles are themselves indicia of original meaning.
That's not at all Barrett's point. How do you misread so badly as an alleged law prof? She will look to founding era practice to determine concrete "principles," and takes those principles as indicia of original meaning.
Gorsuch and Kavanaugh are both trying way too hard to come off as deep thinkers. Give me an honest hack lawyer who knows the limitations of the lawyer's tool kit any day.
If "an individual poses a clear threat of physical violence to another", then would it not be best to hold the threatening individual in custody?
It’s weird to me that you guys find imprisonment to be a lesser burden on liberty than disarmament.
I get the arguments about principle, due process, etc. but fundamentally the answer is fuck no! If principle and due process aren’t enough to justify disarming someone, they certainly aren’t sufficient to justify “holding them in custody.”
It's not so much that imprisonment is a lesser burden on liberty, but rather the disconnect between the asserted danger and the measure taken.
Rahimi is asserted to be a really dangerous dude, something MUST be done! (And this was something...)
And yet, did they charge him with the crimes corresponding to the things he was accused of? No.
They settled for telling him not to possess firearms, while leaving him free. Hm, how effective was that? Obviously, not at all. He possessed firearms anyway, if he'd intended to use them for wrongful ends the judicial order would have prevented precisely nothing.
But, while ordering him not to possess firearms was pathetically ineffectual in terms of preventing harm, it represents a violation of the right to keep and bear arms, albeit temporary, of massive scale.
Now, locking him up would be a pretty massive violation of liberty, too. But it at least would have actually incapacitated the threat he allegedly posed!
So, it's the massive disconnect between alleged threat and chosen response, which suggests that his danger wasn't really considered all that great. But that danger which was minimal enough to not merit any response that would actually WORK, was still enough to justify taking his 2nd amendment rights away?
You get the impression that taking 2nd amendment rights away isn't considered any big deal. Like, they're not really civil liberties, we just call them that to humor people, but are under no obligation to treat them as such.
Maybe the supposed danger was just an excuse to reduce by one the number of people getting to exercise 2nd amendment rights? Sure looks like that.
What it doesn't look like is a genuine effort to protect anybody.
Some of this is what I was thinking. Did they forbid him from operating a motor vehicle, possessing knives, or possessing any improvised weapons? Is there any way to prevent the threatening individual from getting close to their target?
But that’s not even what happened. Texas slapped him with a restraining order aimed at preventing domestic abuse. Are you suggesting that restraining orders themselves are a bad idea, and we should just incarcerate everyone instead? It sounds like you are:
Now, locking him up would be a pretty massive violation of liberty, too. But it at least would have actually incapacitated the threat he allegedly posed!
We don’t lock people up merely for posing threats! (Except in Guantanamo.) And you call Democrats authoritarian! Only truly fucked-up countries use imprisonment as a preventative measure.
Anyway then, as a consequence of the Texas restraining order, the federal Violence Against Women act kicked in with its wisdom: maybe don’t give guns to people adjudged to be imminent domestic abusers. That seems like pretty common sense reasoning to me.
And that’s problem #2:
Maybe the supposed danger was just an excuse to reduce by one the number of people getting to exercise 2nd amendment rights? Sure looks like that.
No, it doesn’t. It looks like common-sense gun regulations. The problem with Republicans is they see a conspiracy under every stone. Yes, if you presume everyone is acting in bad faith, it follows that everyone is acting in bad faith. Everyone is not acting in bad faith. If a policy makes good common sense, you would be a better American to presume that people are in favor of it out of common sense rather than bad faith.
Here, let me tell you what you should be saying:
That slow handclap from off-stage is me.
Look, the fact that we don't typically engage in preventative detention doesn't magically make preventative pinky promises WORK. Preventative pinky promises are a joke, a bad joke. I don't like bad jokes, I doubly don't like bad jokes that infringe basic civil liberties.
Surety laws actually were a good compromise, that took both the supposed threat AND the right being restricted seriously. The system we saw on display in Rahimi's case does neither. It's theater designed by people who despise the civil right in question, so long as gun rights are being infringed, it doesn't have to actually accomplish anything more.
"No, it doesn’t. It looks like common-sense gun regulations."
Yes, it looks like common-sense gun regulations. There's a reason gun owners hate common-sense gun regulations. Because they're oppressive crap that accomplishes nothing but inconveniencing the law abiding, by intent.
Well, at least being anti-restraining-order by itself is logically consistent, if retarded, policy.
Being anti-restraining-order but pro-preventative-incarceration is straight-up Mussolini-level insanity.
That's more true than it was in the pre-MAGA era, but you're talking about Brett, who is an extreme outlier. Forget about under every stone; he thinks the stones themselves are conspiracies. And if there is an obvious conspiracy it must be an attempt to distract you from the hidden conspiracy.
I had not looked into the specifics of this situation. My thoughts were focused on prevention of physical harm to a person. I would think that in some cases telling a person that they are not allowed to possess firearms will not stop them from harming their target. I guess it is a judgment call by whoever has the authority as to the specifics of an order.
I think that in almost all cases merely telling a person that they are not allowed to possess firearms will not stop them from harming their target. The exception being somebody who's generally inclined to be law abiding, but has really terrible impulse control. I'm sure there are such people, Rahimi obviously wasn't one of them.
The problem with telling somebody they're not allowed to possess firearms, is that possessing firearms is a civil right. As I noted above, we don't generally respond to defamation with injunctions requiring people to refrain entirely from speaking or writing, we enjoin them more narrowly, to balance the rights deprivation against the cause.
We don't respond to stalking with house arrest, we merely enjoin the person from being near their target.
But, not when it comes to guns. There we just take the whole right away. Why? Maybe because a lot of people would rather not treat the 2nd amendment as a real civil right? Place no value at all on its exercise? Actually value depriving people of the right?
You're weaving a whole-ass doctrine based on nothing in text, precedent, or history.
Maybe it's a good policy! But you can't constitutionalize it without quite a bit more to point to.
The 2nd amendment already constitutionalized gun right over two centuries ago. That's my point: They're treating this as though it wasn't a matter of a constitutional right, but instead an ordinary privilege.
Yeah, saying there's a right is one thing. Your detailed doctrine of exceptions and the contours of the right and the process that's due for which aspects of said right is made up out of whole cloth, pointing to nothing in text history or practice.
It's vibes-based, and springs fully grown from said vibes.
Reminds me of Roe, actually.
Hmmm. Let's think about that. As an example, we'll use the American Modern Sporting Rifle—the distinctive name the gun industry helpfully gives their semi-automatic knock-offs of the military assault rifle. For the purpose of argument, let me narrow the issue to its two primary differentiating characteristics. The Modern Sporting Rifle is a long-gun designed to:
1) Trade-off accuracy in favor of agility. That is, reduce the ability to hit small, single, static targets at long range, to increase the ability to hit multiple, moving, pig-sized to human-sized targets at short to medium range.
2) Look scary and menacing, like the military's M4 assault rifle looks like it's designed to kill people (which it is). To achieve this look, knockoffs use sharp angles, cooling fins, unnecessary molded plastic cladding, pistol grips, stark cut-away stocks, 'open-eyes' optical assist sights, etc.
That second characteristic—look menacing—seems to provide the best explanation of the Modern Sporting Rifle's amazing sales popularity. A weapon designed to look like it is meant to violently kill people, to look scary and threatening, purposefully attracts people who feel compelled to buy threatening items, who feel a need to be perceived by other people as threatening and dangerous. From everyone pictured on the Massie family Christmas card, to unstable 18-year-olds, there seems no shortage of such people in America today.
As a thought exercise then, should the desire to possess a Modern Sporting Rifle be considered a valid factor to identify whether “ an individual poses a clear threat of physical violence to another,” who should not be allowed to legally own a firearm?
Personally, though I understand the logic and its attractiveness to some, I would not approve of that action. I think the assault weapon ban—already found not to be in violation of the Constitution—is a better idea than registering and tracking the Menacing Massies and all angry loners about to turn 18.
You might want consider what you wish for. Given Congress’s general disdain for civil liberties, that second idea might more easily pass Congress than the first.
Now reason about spoilers on cars.
Excellent additional example!
From 1950’s tailfins to this century’s Shopping Cart Handle spoilers, principle is the same, though the clear threat proposed would be just of dangerous, erratic driving, not quickly and efficiently slaughtering multiple random people.
For a contemporary instance of the former in my corner of the country, google Belltown Hellcat.
Justice Barrett would prefer to openly avoid originalism, rather than pretending to follow what she sees as shoddy originalism. She will let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Isn't that what she should do? I don't think it makes sense to make a shoddy argument just to avoid charges of heresy from the likes of Blackman.
Of course three feckless, image-conscious elitists agreed that disarming people by civil protection order is analogous to surety bonds and taking guns from insane people.
After all, what would the fellows at the country club and the church say if they were to countenance dangerous individuals having guns?
Right, if there's one thing motivated (say) Samuel Alito, it's staying in the good graces of people at the country club.
Makes me believe in Jay-Hova, "45" gets to appoint 3 Surpremes in 1 term, Jimmuh and Barry Osama combined only appointed 2 over 3 terms
Frank "Ladies and Gentleman, The next Chief Justice, Rafael "Ted" Cruz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
You and the other clingers can celebrate some help from the Supreme Court, but you are still bigoted, worthless culture war roadkill destined to spend the rest of your deplorable lives complying with the preferences of better Americans, the great liberal-libertarian mainstream, winners of the modern American culture war. Your preferences -- bigotry, superstition, backwardness -- have been losing ground in American throughout your disgusting lives, and your stale, ugly conservative preferences will continue to lose at the marketplace of ideas.
Because superstitious, half-educated, right-wing bigots suck.
Oh. Revolting, I apologize; I forgot you were there. You may go now.
Frank
If you want your daily dose of right-wing bigotry at this blog to be delivered unleavened by some liberal-libertarian perspective, ask the management to ban me. He did it before. Maybe he would do it again. Especially if you include some racial, transphobic, homophobic, Islamophobic, or misogynistic slurs in your request.
Imagine how fucked in the head you have be to carry this much trauma over losing an anonymous account on some internet watering hole? Day after day, year after year, you piss and moan and whine and cry as if your lost pseudonym actually had any value or worth.
You’re like those thin-skinned homos and trannies who unalive themselves because some person they never met 1000s of miles away doesn’t approve of their lifestyle choices.
"I'm still uncertain what to make of Justice Gorsuch's dissent."
Dissent?
"Justice Barrett would prefer to openly avoid originalism, rather than pretending to follow what she sees as shoddy originalism. She will let the perfect be the enemy of the good."
The good is not to follow originalism at all. Shoddy originalism is definitely not good.
Gorsuch: Oh muses of originalism, inspire me.
Kavanaugh: Blah blah blah & the umpire says blah. I'm so principled! Yeah, I am!
Barrett: I'm going to cosplay originalism but I'm going to do it right. Call me Professor Barrett!
Some questions about Rahimi:
1. How much of the decision rested on the fact that Rahimi threatened his girlfriend with a gun? Was that necessary to the decision "under the facts" of this case?
2. Is "credible threat" to another sufficient to deny 2A rights if the threat/act was done without being armed?
Perhaps "no" or else the menacing law that was used as a comparator is not analogous.
3. Is the Court telegraphing that "felon bans" will become the de facto law not through reasoned analysis but by continuing citation to the dicta in Heller, McDonald, and the Bruen concurrence? If yes, that is very poor legal acumen. If no (and Barrett and said before that she doesn't think so) then why the continued use of this ipse dixit?
4. Does Rahimi only extend to "temporary" disarmament? "Under the facts" of this case would permanently disarming Rahimi be permitted? The "analogous" laws do not support permanent disarmament. What historical laws would allow for such a permanent disarming?
How temporary is temporary enough? Is 25 years temporary? Why is two years considered temporary?
5. The statement that since one could be imprisoned, then he surely could be disarmed is head scratching. Does that imply that ANY punishment that is considered less restrictive than imprisonment is constitutional? Could Rahimi be denied his free speech or free religion rights because, after all, that is better than being locked up?
Many more, but all in all, I think Rahimi leaves far more questions than it answers.