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Travel Ban, Redux
President Biden invokes Section 212(f) of the INA to block asylum seekers from entering the United States.
On Tuesday, President Biden issued a travel ban of asylum seekers:
The entry of any noncitizen into the United States across the southern border is hereby suspended and limited, subject to section 3 of this proclamation. This suspension and limitation on entry shall be effective at 12:01 a.m. eastern daylight time on June 5, 2024. The suspension and limitation directed in this proclamation shall be discontinued pursuant to subsection
The order invokes Section 212(f) of the INA, or for those who are not immigration lawyers, 8 U.S.C. § 1182(f). It provides, in part:
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
This was the same section invoked by President Trump in each iteration of his travel ban. Between 2017 and 2018, I wrote more about Section 212(f) than I'd care to recall. In Trump v. Hawaii, Chief Justice Roberts described the provision with sweeping language:
By its terms, §1182(f) exudes deference to the President in every clause. It entrusts to the President the decisions whether and when to suspend entry ("[w]henever [he] finds that the entry" of aliens "would be detrimental" to the national interest); whose entry to suspend ("all aliensor any class of aliens"); for how long ("for such period as heshall deem necessary"); and on what conditions ("any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate"). It is therefore unsurprising that we have previously observed that§1182(f) vests the President with "ample power" to impose entry restrictions in addition to those elsewhere enumerated in the INA. Sale, 509 U. S., at 187 (finding it "perfectly clear" that the President could "establish a naval blockade" to prevent illegal migrants from entering theUnited States); see also Abourezk v. Reagan, 785 F. 2d 1043, 1049, n. 2 (CADC 1986) (describing the "sweeping proclamation power" in §1182(f) as enabling the President to supplement the other grounds of inadmissibility in theINA).
In the wake of Trump v. Hawaii, there were calls to repeal Section 212(f). I was skeptical that even a Democratic President would remove such a potent weapon from his executive power arsenal. (There is a reason that Congress did not enact any of the Post-Trump reform of the executive branch.) And after nearly four years of a Biden Presidency, Section 212(f) remains intact.
The policy went into effect about thirty minutes ago. The Northern District of California has not yet enjoined the policy, but it will. Judge Tigar probably has a macro for these sorts of TROs. I'm sure the Department of Justice will go through the motions to defend the policy. But does the Biden DOJ actually want to win here? Wouldn't the best case scenario be for Biden to take political credit for doing something about the border, and then blame the courts not allowing him to do so something, as his supporters will be content that asylum seeker scan continue entry? I wonder if any DOJ lawyers will refuse to sign the briefs, as some did with the Trump orders.
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Does Biden’s travel ban discriminate on the basis of race or religion?
Are you suggesting that it does? Donald Trump's did not.
Sure, Jan
That Trump's travel ban was against muslims is a narrative concocted by Democrats to smear Trump as a racist. It's not so. His travel ban targeted countries that support or sponsor terrorism.
Be that as it may, I see nothing in the enabling law that would prevent that, anyway.
Dastardly of the left to pick up on Trump talking about a Muslim ban like that.
There was no “Muslim ban.” Just another obnoxious democrat lie. Like the Russian collusion hoax, the Charlottesville lie and the Bloodbath lie. Makes me want a shower just responding to one of these repulsive liars.
Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States – Donald J. Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDffWUjcBA
That Trump's Muslim ban was called a Muslim ban just because he repeatedly promised before he issued it to ban Muslims and then announced a plan to ban Muslims is just unfathomable.
Well, no. That was a later iteration of his ban after the first ones ran into legal difficulties and he was told by his aides that they needed to dress it up to make it look less obvious.
That Trump’s Muslim ban was called a Muslim ban just because he repeatedly promised before he issued it to ban Muslims and then announced a plan to ban Muslims is just unfathomable.
I’ll take “Things that never happened” for $800, Ken.
Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States - Donald J. Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDffWUjcBA
That Trump’s Muslim ban was called a Muslim ban just because he repeatedly promised before he issued it to ban Muslims and then announced a plan to ban Muslims is just unfathomable.
Your status as a useful idiot is becoming more solid by the day.
I don't recall exactly how many Muslim-majority countries there were at the time, but there are currently 51, so I'll assume there were at least 50 then (Bosnia and Herzegovina is only at about 50.7% now). Trump's final ban included 5 of them...or only 10% of all Muslim-majority countries (the other 2 countries were North Korea and Venezuela). The aggregate Muslim populations of the Muslim majority countries that were on the list represented just 10% of the total Muslim population of all Muslim majority countries, and just under 7.5% of the total world Muslim population (not including the ~3.4 million who were already in the U.S.).
So your assertion is that an entry restriction that impacted less than 7.5% of potential Muslim immigrants was a ban on Muslims. The stupidity of that should be obvious to all but the most obtuse. Should be...
Yes, of course you only want to talk about Trump's "final solution".
So, he never said he wanted "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."
Nope. Never happened!
Yes, of course you only want to talk about Trump’s “final solution”.
He was marching Muslims en masse into gas ovens?
So, he never said he wanted “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.”
I didn't say a word about anything he did/didn't say, dumbass. Read my post again...dumbass.
Did Trump's original ban have any non-Muslim majority countries on it? No. Did Trump's original ban include all of the top state sponsors of terrorism? No. Did it include countries deemed as enemies like Russia or China? No. Did the ban reduce visas for people from Muslims countries? Yes. Did it reduce visas for people from non-Muslim countries? No.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/26/trumps-muslim-ban-really-was-muslim-ban-thats-what-data-suggest/
"That Trump’s Muslim ban was called a Muslim ban just because he repeatedly promised before he issued it to ban Muslims and then announced a plan to ban Muslims is just unfathomable."
No, he didn't promise to ban Muslims and there was no Muslim ban. Try, just for the novelty not to gaslight.
"Well, no. That was a later iteration of his ban after the first ones ran into legal difficulties and he was told by his aides that they needed to dress it up to make it look less obvious."
No, his ban never targeted Muslims, it targeted areas with known security risks in every iteration. Deep down, you must not enjoy being a repulsive liar, or maybe I'm giving you too much credit?
Someone may want to tell Trump that he never said these things.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-wants-custom-agents-ask-are-you-muslim-402498
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I3E3-U-1jc&t=845s
Trump didn't expressly target Muslims. He never had sex with Stormy Daniels. He never intended to send the mob to the Capitol. He never had sex with Karen McDougal. He was going to testify . . . and he wanted to testify. And he most especially never said "lock her up.'
Just ask him. Or his lying, worthless fans.
Trump's racism is well-documented over several decades, making your assertion of motive as laughable and dumb as everything else you've written.
Trump is a racist. Many of his supporters are bigots, too.
One of the liberal-libertarian mainstream's great achievements during my lifetime has been to put America's remaining racists, gay-bashers, antisemites, transphobes, immigrant-haters, misogynists, Islamophobes, and other conservative bigots on the defensive, to the point at which those losers no want to be known as bigots, at least not in public.
Tough. Enabling bigots to hide behind euphemisms ("conservative values," "religious values," "traditional values," "colorblind," "heartland values," and the like) is shabby conduct. Call a bigot a bigot. From the superstitious gay-haters to the vote-suppressing racists. Every time.
You got a lot of gall calling anyone else’s writings dumb. Trump is not a racist, and anyone who says he is one is either delusional or a liar.
Trump may or may not be a racist. However, a very large percentage of muslims have a deep hatred of Judism and Christianity. Thus it is entirely reasonable to have profiling based on well documented risk factors.
Profiling is not reasonable. We don’t do collective guilt. Even if yiu call it risk factors.
Though if you want to think like that it’s hard to argue against full on quota based affirmative action.
I don't believe he is racist. But he definitely depends on the votes of many racists and he courts them.
https://www.cato.org/blog/dozen-times-trump-equated-travel-ban-muslim-ban
One could argue it's designed to discriminate against those of Hispanic decent.
"Hispanic" is a made up category that doesn't indicate descent at all, and is a very large and confusing bucket. For example, it includes sephardic jews.
Like the new president of Mexico?
All categories are "made up". They didn't exist until someone came up with their definition and gave them a name. Hispanic simply denotes a relation to Spain and the Spanish language.
"... content that asylum seeker scan continue entry? "
Should that not be 'scam' and not 'scan' ?
... asylum seekers can ...
Don't you mean "scum"?
Even if a court doesn't strike this down, this is irrelevant bullshit.
There are so many exceptions that this is meaningless.
I was gonna say...
"The entry of any noncitizen into the United States across the southern border is hereby suspended and limited, subject to section 3 of this proclamation."
And Section 3 has plenty of exceptions.
I don't know what exceptions, but a blanket hostility to exceptions is nonsense.
Exceptions and discretion are how you craft a policy that fits our bumpy complicated reality.
Exceptions and discretion are how corruption can be enabled.
Having humans involved in making any decision that uses any resources at all is how corruption is enabled.
Your weird dehumanizing take on government continues to be ideologically driven paranoia.
There won't be any 'forum shopping' here, will there? Nah... 🙂
Please elaborate the uninformed, bigoted perspective that generated that question.
The premise of this post is incorrect. There is no comparison to the policies of President Trump. President Trump took sincere efforts to secure the border. This corrupt reptile Biden dismantled those policies and opened the border. This is another con job from a creep who has lied his entire political career.
It's not the Biden DOJ. It's the Garland DOJ. Biden doesn't control it. And the DOJ tends to feel it has an enormous obligation to defend this sort of action (and obviously the courts would appoint an amicus to defend it if they didn't). So Prof. Blackman's fever swamp conspiracy hypothesis that "Biden DOJ" doesn't want to defend this is stupid.
Dafuq? Go look at the org chart.
Do some research about how DOJ works and whether it takes orders from POTUS.
Did you do any research on whether Biden has Garland's phone number, or whether Garland ever meets with Joe at the Whitehouse?
Or whether Joe could fire Garland at will?
Let's see if we can ever find the phrase "[President's name] DOJ"
"Obama DOJ": https://www.eenews.net/articles/republicans-attack-return-of-obama-doj-settlement-deals/
"Trump DOJ": https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/26/former-trump-doj-official-disciplinary-trial-00149060
"Bush DOJ": https://www.courthousenews.com/bush-doj-hunted-for-democrats-panel-finds/
"Clinton DOJ": https://www.bhfs.com/insights/alerts-articles/2021/what-the-biden-doj-can-learn-from-the-clinton-and-obama-years-on-how-to-tackle-america-s-monopoly-problem-
"Reagan DOJ": https://www.jstor.org/stable/3330157
"Carter DOJ": https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2382&context=ndlr
Damn. Seems people have used that phrase commonly for a long time, in newspapers, law review articles, and all over the place.
That doesn't mean the president controls the DOJ.
It does mean that there's no reason for you to get all worked up by someone using the phrase "Biden DOJ."
Uh, Biden hired the people to run it, ostensibly because he knew they’d run it the way he wants it run. So the original point holds: Biden’s DOJ.
Even with all of that sweet Leonard Leo Jesus cash bulging in his saddlebags, Josh Blackman couldn't find a place to take him in that was better than South Texas College of Law Houston, one of America's worst law schools.
Mr. Volokh and his white, male, fringe blog, though, seemed pleased to associate with Mr. Blackman.
Carry on, clingers.
I've got something you can carry on
Besides as ONS and Jason point out below Josh's musings of a TRO and a DOJ response is not a 'fever swamp conspiracy hypothesis" but well grounded and should be treated seriously and as actual fact.
It’s not the Biden DOJ. It’s the Garland DOJ.
What are you, an infant?
The British government has recently announced a bold new plan to deal with migration. The plan will go effect after the election, which will be about the hypotethical effects of two competing migration policies rather than the actual effects of any policy. If Biden's plan is enjoined the American election will also feature two hypothetical plans to deal with migration.
The UK plan is to fly migrants to Rwanda.
Recently? The UK's Rwanda plan has been bouncing around Parliament and the courts for more than two years: It was announced on 14 April 2022. That's actually four (or three, depending on whether you count Suella Braverman twice) Home Secretaries ago...
The UK Parliamentary election will be held in July; getting voters to effectively vote on the Rwanda plan is the Conservative Party's desperate, last-ditch effort to avoid electoral oblivion. It, too, will fail.
The plan only became official recently. Before that it was a proposal.
Ffs, your own words were, "The British government has recently announced a bold new plan to deal with migration." Who are you trying to fool?
'bold new plan'
Ahahahahahahahahahahaha
I'd advise all Blackman haters to back away from the blog now.
"Aileen Cannon is giving Josh Blackman 30 minutes to appear in her courtroom and argue that Jack Smith was appointed unconstitutionally so the entire federal prosecution of Trump must be shut down."
https://x.com/mjs_DC/status/1798136269115163021
That is ...hilarious. You gotta love the lawyers - out of all the possible lawyers in the United States - Trump chooses to hire. On a positive note, most of them have ended up in prison. I for one support Blackman's involvement.
Look, I have as much contempt for Blackman as the next guy, but this is an amicus; Trump didn't "choose to hire" him. This is Blackman being self-promoting and Cannon obliging him.
Well.......it's still hilarious
Well…….it’s still hilarious
Almost as hilarious as you talking out of your ass because you don't have the faintest idea what you're blathering about.
Blackman arguing a go-nowhere theory in front of Judge Cannon that will do nothing but (1) further delay a case that is going nowhere fast, and (2) provide Blackman the opportunity to further post five million times ...
Is somehow the perfect example of the darkest timeline.
Well, maybe not quite. Maybe if Judge Cannon defers the decision so that she can have another hearing in three months with Calabresi, that would be the darkest timeline.
This is the biggest coup for Blackman's career. And, yes, I too foresee Blackman endlessly trotting out how he testified at the trial of a felon ex-president. This puts him in the pantheon that includes Powell, Giuliani, Chesebro, Eastman (fellow Heritage) and other coupists. Well done Blackman!
The motion do dismiss based on unlawful appointment was originally filed on February 22nd. It's nice of the clown to finally decide she should address it in some form or another.
It's largely unheard of for a Judge to entertain oral argument from third parties to dismiss a criminal case like this, but that doesn't stop her (or Trump cultists) from doing it and celebrating it.
Impeachment is too good for her.
Impeachment for what? We don’t impeach judges because they’re Trump appointed, or because lefties don’t like her. So cope.
No, but we might impeach a few judges/justices for being grossly incompetent, blazingly corrupt, and/or indifferent to the rule of law.
Every now and then I un-mute you to see whether you’ve changed, and you always disappoint.
You would be correct in rebutting my argument were I to have said she should be impeached because she’s Trump-appointed, but I did not. I am also not a ‘lefty,’ though I understand your perspective is skewed because everyone is 'left' of you.
I don’t like Biden or Progressives. I also don’t like Democrats or the farcical clowns who represent “Republicans” right now either. However since I don’t have interest in licking Trump’s asshole, you presume I’m a ‘lefty.’
You’re a partisan dipshit. One of those things you could address, the other seems genetic.
Mute me too.
Kaz, you're almost as funny as Josh.
It is becoming increasingly difficult to recognize any benefit of doubt with respect to Judge Aileen Cannon, must as it has become nearly impossible to distinguish Megyn Kelly from the crack whore daughter of Lily Munster.
(What the fuck happened to her? Kelly, I mean. We all know what's wrong with federal judge and figurative Trump fellator Aileen Cannon.)
Crack? you mind like the kind one of your "Bettors" Hunter Biden (Yale Law 1996) Smoked with his Dead Brothers Widow?? (Yeah, right, "Smoked" he's probably smoking it with the SS Agents during recesses) Or do you mean like the Crack of your Ass you pull most of your posts from?
Frank
The interesting thing about this executive order is that is has a daily cap of 2500 before it secures the border:
“The order will go into effect when the number of border encounters between ports of entry hits 2,500 per day, according to senior administration officials.”
The aborted Langford compromise which was the best deal the GOP could get in the Senate was 5000. And we were told then Biden needed legislation to do anything about the border. Now the daily flow is cut in half without further negotiating or legislation.
Its almost like we were being bullshitted.
As I said then there shouldn’t be any border compromise, Biden should do his job and secure the border (and that doesn’t mean letting 2500 more a day in, the shelters of NY and Denver and Chicago are already full), before any legislation, and no new legislation under any circumstances should allow permanent residency or a path to citizenship for people who enter illegally.
It's true that Trump can't block this (like he did with the Langford compromise), but did you miss the part in Josh's post about the order being almost certainly enjoined (if it hasn't been already)?
Josh’s surmise about being enjoined seems like a throwaway, not a serious prediction. Does this seem serious to you?
“Judge Tigar probably has a macro for these sorts of TROs.”
Josh quoted the statute, which was upheld by the Supreme Court when it addressed Trump’s travel ban, I doubt a TRO if issued would last long enjoining something the Supreme Court has relatively recently greenlighted.
Funny how Blackman is the most criticized blogger here, yet an obvious attempt at humor, even if someone does enjoin it, is taken as gospel.
Odd that you'd omit the sentence in front of it. No, wait: it's entirely in your character to lie by omission.
"The Northern District of California has not yet enjoined the policy, but it will."
On-brand for you, you also didn't quote any of the rest of the paragraph. In fact if one looks closely, it would seem that you cherry-picked your evidence with extraordinary care for the sole purpose of lying.
"I'm sure the Department of Justice will go through the motions to defend the policy. But does the Biden DOJ actually want to win here? Wouldn't the best case scenario be for Biden to take political credit for doing something about the border, and then blame the courts not allowing him to do so something, as his supporters will be content that asylum seeker scan continue entry? I wonder if any DOJ lawyers will refuse to sign the briefs, as some did with the Trump orders."
More humor? Nope, just more Kazinski lies.
I'll try to explain it to you, these two lines are what's called 'the setup':
"The policy went into effect about thirty minutes ago. The Northern District of California has not yet enjoined the policy, but it will."
This is the punchline: "Judge Tigar probably has a macro for these sorts of TROs."
Even if it weren't Blackman humor, your contribution is hilarious, claiming that quoting one sentence from the same page for reference, but not quoting the previous two sentences, which presumably everyone has just read moments ago so the context is clear is "lies".
Josh, you are a humorless scold. And Blackman was making a lame joke, whether or not Tigar makes it even funnier by issuing a TRO, which I doubt will happen.
And even funnier is you take Blackman's speculation as gospel, when if it weren't something you are desperately hoping comes to fruition, you would be claiming Blackman was lying about.
Context is determined from the words both before and after. You like to selectively quote things to distort their meaning. In this case, you're also shifting goalposts and responding to something which ObviouslyNotSpam did not say in order to facilitate your dishonest deflection. Their remark referenced the sentences you didn't quote. The part which was 'obviously' (since you like to use that word) not humor.
Were someone to make the same remark about a Federal policy regarding LGBT issues and Kacsmaryk, it would similarly not be humorous, because that's exactly what he always does.
Not only do I have no interest or care in whether this order is enjoined by the courts (beyond whether it is legal or not), I am certainly not desperately hoping for any particular outcome. You keep forgetting that not everyone is as partisan as you are. At your age, that may suggest a decline in your mental acuity.
The interesting thing about this executive order is that is has a daily cap of 2500 before it secures the border... The aborted Langford compromise which was the best deal the GOP could get in the Senate was 5000... Its almost like we were being bullshitted.
Your all's biggest blind spot is assuming Democrats are of one mind on all things. Did you consider that maybe it just means Biden is more serious about border control than his Senate counterparts are?
"Did you consider that.."
Well it is Congress, so the first assumption is always that we are being bullshitted. Especially when they are cobbling together a compromise.
Partisans who have made a habit of accusing Biden of engaging in executive over-reach and asserting authorities he doesn't have, but support his taking this executive action, are welcome to explain how the statute in question - conveniently cited in the OP - grants the president the authority to suspend consideration of asylum claims just because there are too many of them.
We are piling up arguments in the Fifth Circuit explaining why the president doesn't have the authority to pursue various policies through regulations that have gone through a rigorous rulemaking process and have a much tighter connection to the authorizing statute than is present here. Forget the Ninth Circuit - the Fifth Circuit ought to TRO the hell out of this executive order.
Did you miss the part where Josh quotes the statute that authorizes the executive order?
"8 U.S.C. § 1182(f). It provides, in part:
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."
Seems to me asylum seekers are a class of aliens. And Biden hasn't said he won't consider or suspend asylum claims, he says he's not accepting any more than 2500 a day.
Since “Legals” commit more murders than Ill-legals (at Bushwood) shouldn’t we be “replacing” the legals with ill-legals? Oh wait,we are
Frank
Such a hack.
Where does Laken Riley go to get Asylum?
The ACLU promptly announced its intention to challenge the order in court, comparing it to Trump’s immigration policy. One day later there is no announcement of an actual lawsuit. Lawyers may be typing furiously as I write this.
I’m far from a brilliant political strategist, but I think getting the executive order enjoined is the worst of both worlds for Biden. If legislative bill that did this didn’t die, Biden’s political benefit would be both that the border chaos* receded and that he wasn’t beholden to the left-flank of his party. The downside of the legislative fix is that it angers the left-flank of the party. By doing an executive order that gets enjoined, Biden angers the left flank of his party, doesn’t get the benefits of less border chaos, and demonstrates himself to be feckless against the left-flank of the party. I don’t think he gets much of any credit for trying and failing.
*I’m very pro-immigration, but I have been persuaded by Alex Nowrasteh that actual or perceived immigration chaos is a substantial driver of voter anti-immigration sentiment.
I don’t think he gets much of any credit for trying and failing.
He gets to say "See? The Republicans are the obstacle, there's nothing I can do alone." He had one executive order enjoined already.