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Private, Shmivate: Sit-ins, Campouts, and True Threats Are Constitutionally Unprotected at Universities, Whether Private or Public
The Wall Street Journal had an editorial this morning called "Defining Free Speech Down on Campus"; I agree that disruptive protests are unprotected by the First Amendment, but I think the editorial erred in its emphasis.
The editorial begins by arguing that no First Amendment rights to protest on privately owned property:
Universities are supposed to be places where students and faculty can debate politics and other subjects without fear or censure. As the anti-Israel protests spread at Columbia, Yale, Harvard, New York University and elsewhere, however, progressives are claiming that any restriction on the protesters is a violation of free speech.
Under its "state action doctrine," the Supreme Court has ruled that the First Amendment applies to government actions toward citizens. It doesn't apply to private citizens or institutions except in rare instances when they are acting as government agents.
It then moves on, in the third and fourth paragraphs, to further focus on private property, noting that the recent UC Berkeley law school incident related to Dean Erwin Chemerinsky happened on "his property," and that Columbia is "a private university" that "has the right to set its own rules on speech as part of a contract to teach or study at the school."
But the real key to analyzing these incidents, I think, is buried in the second sentence of the seventh paragraph:
Even at a public university, all these rules would constitute reasonable restrictions on the time, place and manner of speech.
There is no First Amendment right to camp out in any university, public or private. Indeed, there is no First Amendment right to camp out even in public parks (see Clark v. CCNV (1984)), and the government's power to limit the use of property used for a public university is even greater than its power as to parks (Widmar v. Vincent (1981)):
A university differs in significant respects for public forums such as streets or parks or even municipal theaters. A university's mission is education, and decisions of this Court have never denied a university's authority to impose reasonable regulations compatible with that mission upon the use of its campus and facilities. We have not held, for example, that a campus must make all of its facilities equally available to students and nonstudents alike, or that a university must grant free access to all of its grounds or buildings.
Likewise, if UC Berkeley had held a law student party in the law school building rather than at Dean Chemerinsky's house, it could have stopped students from using the party as an occasion to orate to the audience (especially with their own sound amplification devices, which the student brought to Chemerinsky's house). See Spears v. Arizona Bd. of Regents (D. Ariz. 2019) (upholding public university's right to stop people from speaking with sound amplification at an on-campus book fair). And of course public as well as private universities may generally restrict "conduct that places another in danger of bodily harm," or "uses words that threaten bodily harm in a situation where there is clear and present danger of such bodily harm" (so long as the threats or similar "physical intimidation" fall within the true threats exception to the First Amendment).
Of course, public universities generally can't restrict speech because it expresses offensive or evil viewpoints. Consider this paragraph from the Wall Street Journal editorial:
Columbia's anti-Israel encampment and protests have included physical intimidation of Jewish students and antisemitic declarations. In October 2023, 100 Columbia professors signed a letter defending students who had flooded the campus in support of Hamas's "military action" on Oct. 7. Columbia has every right to restrict speech or actions that threaten other students.
"Antisemitic declarations" are protected by the First Amendment; if City University of New York professors signed a letter defending students who supported the Hamas attacks—or for that matter defending the Hamas attacks themselves—I think CUNY couldn't discipline the professors consistent with the First Amendment (see Levin v. Harleston (2d Cir. 1992)). Columbia, on the other hand, isn't directly constrained by the First Amendment (though private universities in other states, like other private employers in those states, are indeed constrained by various state laws that protect certain kinds of speech and political activity from employer retaliation).
But, as the editorial notes, Columbia has voluntarily promised to act "consistent with a public institution's obligations under the First Amendment" in setting up any speech restrictions on campus. Many other private universities have done the same. And I think that's good, for the reason given in the opening sentence of the editorial, which is as applicable to private universities as to public ones (perhaps setting aside certain highly ideologically constrained private universities, traditionally the more religious ones, that forthrightly stress the constraints they impose):
Universities are supposed to be places where students and faculty can debate politics and other subjects without fear or censure.
If Columbia were to punish speakers because of their views on, for instance, abortion, affirmative action, immigration, policing, and so on, I take it that many people would agree that this would be bad, and that Columbia—if it wants to be a serious university dedicated to open debate—should voluntarily refrain from such punishments. Indeed, the editorial's condemnation, in its last paragraph, of "years of student and faculty attempts to ban conservative speakers from campus and punish students for alleged micro-aggressions" reinforces my sense that the Journal thinks that universities generally (and not just public universities) should generally protect free speech.
Of course, whether a university is public or private may be relevant in particular contexts; most obviously, a purely First Amendment lawsuit against a private university may fail when a similar suit against a public university may succeed. But when we're discussing the general norms that we should expect at universities with regard to disruptive protests or threats, I think there's little reason to distinguish Columbia, Harvard, and Yale from CUNY, UMass, or UConn.
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Second sentence, just before the quote, should end with "property" not "speech," right?
Whoops, sorry, fixed, thanks!
" a serious university dedicated to open debate "
Keywords here are 'open debate'
None such occurs as chants and screaming continue, non-stop, into the night.
Any protest action is clearly not 'open debate,' as it's only meant to influence by force of voice and force of noise. Peaceful, yet forceful protesting is valid and is required in our system, but never call it 'open debate.'
My problem as a liberal with progressives is we get a win, say gay marriage or Israel withdraws from Gaza when Bush was president or end the Iraq War…and it turns out those things were never really their goals. So liberals have to keep that in mind—use progressives to achieve important goals but understand they are nutz and most hate America and want it destroyed. Most conservatives love America and have inadvertently damaged it because they hate non white Americans.
For example, “Fuck Allah” would definitely be political speech, but can you see any such chant being tolerated? Even during the daytime?
IANAA but I have a dual view of content neutrality — the SCOTUS version and then the converse. If other similar things couldn’t be said in the same forum, then it’s not a public forum.
If you can't (as opposed to shouldn't) chant "Kill the Niggers", it's not because of whom you are proposing to kill, nor the hateful derogatory slur with which you are referring to them with, but because you are not permitted to advocate killing ANYONE...
Universities are probably a lot like DC in that they allow gatherings but there are hoops one has to jump through and permits to get. I remember right after DeSantis signed legislation banning protesters blocking roads conservative Cuban-Americans had a protest that blocked roads and DeSantis pussied out and pretended it never happened. Pretty crazy that in America Republicans pussy out when Cubans kidnap a child or block traffic or break immigration laws or whatever.
As I expected, Columbia is pussying out on the suspensions.
They should just mockingly call the protestors speech 'freeze peach' and act like that wins the debate just like the Left does when it tries to suppress speech it doesn't like.
Well the left calls it "misinformation", and when it really doesn't like it they call it " Russian Disinformation".
It's only "Russian disinformation" when it's said by someone from the right.
When it's from the left, it's, you know, like, information, and, I mean, everybody makes mistakes, right?
Oh the bitterness - you're voting for Donald Trump - you're pretty much obliged to embrace both, or pretend they don't exist, which is a form of at least one of those.
"serious university dedicated to open debate"
I though a serious university was dedicated to educating students. Debate has very little to do with learning.
I debate the incorporation clause here but I would expect my con law teacher to teach the current law, not encourage me to talk about my personal view. Maybe in a seminar of legal philosophy but not otherwise.
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This guy claims to have attended law school. South Texas or Ohio Northern, maybe.
Oh, I disagree. Debate is essential to any adult learning beyond basic skills and established procedures.
That does not, however, mean that your personal views are relevant to the debate. The best learning experiences I ever had were times when I had to defend positions contrary to my initial position.
Debate has very little to do with learning.
That depends entirely on the participants. I've learned a great deal from engaging in debates with intellectually honest and capable opponents. Are you saying that you haven't? If not, you might want to ask yourself why that is.
If college kids weren't acting stupid, and protesting stuff, and generally acting like they know how to solve all the world's problems (when they don't) ...
Well, they wouldn't be college kids.
Gee, I dunno. I went to what was then called VPI, which then had 20K or so students. Weren't we 'college kids'?
I may be having a senior moment, but I don't really recall any protests. We were generally thinking about studying engineering or forestry or computer science or whatever.
My personal take would be that I didn't really know enough about the world at that age to be doing too much protesting. It was a time to learn rather than opine. You learn from listening, not talking.
Similarly, I attended MTU in the late 70's, and don't recall a single protest the whole time I was there, unless you want to include complaints about what the dorm cafeteria had the nerve to call "food".
Of course, we were paying our own hard earned money to be there.
I self-financed my education and still managed to avoid becoming an antisocial, insular, obsolete, resentful, disaffected bigot.
Funniest post of the month award!
Sure not all schools are the same. My STEM school was also protest free.
But realizing your freedom and political agency while being young and dumb and idealistic is absolutely a core part of the college experience, even if not every college.
That's also absolutely a core part of being in the Hitler Youth, Young Communist League, and a lot of other dumb groups. Arguably even gangs like MS-13, depending on how broadly one draws the line for "political agency".
Haha what?
Don't forget the Federalist Society (fledgling bigots and aspiring antisocial misfits of America).
You must have some weird definition of "core part" going on here, because I'd say that being absent from a wide swath of college experiences is definitionally proof that it's NOT a core part of the college experience.
Core does not mean everyone, you're being silly.
I'm also not specifically talking about protesting; certainly not every student protests. But:
"realizing your freedom and political agency while being young and dumb and idealistic is absolutely a core part of the college experience."
Maybe you didn't really do any of that in college. That's on you, though.
"core /kôr/
noun
The central or innermost part.
"a rod with a hollow core; the hard elastic core of a baseball. "
The hard or fibrous central part of certain fruits, such as the apple or pear, containing the seeds.
The basic or most important part; the crucial element or essence: synonym: substance.
"a small core of dedicated supporters; the core of the problem.""
I'm having a hard time squaring "core" and "widely absent".
As basic or important part is how I'm using it, yeah.
Do you think getting laid a core part of the college experience? Do you gotta check the stats to be sure? Because then I think you're missing the spirit here.
With Biden bringing back Obama's elimination of due process, getting fucked in college is about the dumbest thing a man can possibly do.
Best to fuck a hooker over a co-ed. Less risk of a false rape charge.
What a normal dude you sound like.
"Maybe you didn’t really do any of that in college. That’s on you, though."
Well, I voted. I read history so I could vote intelligently. Do I really have to go chant to be a good citizen?
Me: I’m also not specifically talking about protesting;
Chanting to be a good citizen is explicitly not what I’m saying.
“realizing your freedom and political agency while being young and dumb and idealistic is absolutely a core part of the college experience”
No chanting required!
"Core does not mean everyone, you’re being silly."
C'mon. "Core" does suggest widely pervasive and an essential characteristic, even if not ubiquitous,
I think universities get protesty, cyclically, multi-decadally. Fortunately the protest phase is relatively short compared to the non-protest phase.
But also, the protestiness tends to manifest more in the expensive, private schools than in the state schools, or community colleges. I’m not saying that’s a hard rule, but it has looked like that to me.
I went to an expensive private, very–left-leaning liberal arts college in the late 1970s, and there was little protest. There was, however, a demonstration of sorts in the form of a Jonestown memorial “die-in” where everybody hurriedly drank from drums of spiked Kool-Aid and then laid down still all across the quad. It was an in-between time, I think, when people searched for meaning in the damnedest of ways.
NYPD said that the NYU professors were the worst actors. I am not surprised.
If college kids weren’t acting stupid, and protesting stuff, and generally acting like they know how to solve all the world’s problems (when they don’t) …
Well, they wouldn’t be college kids.
This "kids will be kids" schtick was stupid the first time you trotted it out. It's gotten no less stupid for your ad nauseum repetition of it.
""Antisemitic declarations" are protected by the First Amendment; "
Aren't threats a subset of "declarations"? I think we need to know exactly what the "declarations are, and the context in which they are made, before declaring them protected speech.
I am waiting for all of the individual suits filed by the various Jewish students. Should be interesting...
I think Prof. Volokh means stuff like "Jews suck," as opposed to "Let's go find some Jews to kill!"
It’s going to be 29 degrees in Cambridge tonight, with a cold North wind gusting to 29 mph. The little darlings are going to have heat in those those those tents, either Sterno (cans of jellied alcohol) or Butane stoves. If they knock one of these over, or if the regulator on a stove gets messed up, they are going to have a fire. A spectacular one because most of the cheap nylon/polyester tents are NOT fire retardant. A wind gusting to 29 MPH will fan the flames and send burning chunks of liquid fire downwind, setting other tents on fire. Just like in a forest fire...
And then you are going to have mass panic and people trampled to death INSIDE their (not on fire) tents and the rest.
That’s why we have LAWS about assemblies of people in numbers more than a dozen or so — laws that are “written in blood” — were written in response to specific past tragedies, and does anyone remember the Station Nightclub Fire of about 15 years ago?
And no, Ed does NOT make things up, here is the NWS freeze warning: https://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.php?warnzone=MAZ014&warncounty=MAC017&firewxzone=MAZ014&local_place1=Cambridge%20MA&product1=Freeze+Warning&lat=42.3652&lon=-71.105
Oh, come on, have you never gone camping anywhere with seasons? 29 degrees is pleasantly brisk if you've got a sleeping bag, and what camper doesn't keep a space blanket squirreled away somewhere?
Regulations are written in blood.
The Boy Scouts have a NO FLAMES IN TENTS rule for a reason…
And I’ve had to police that — with Boy Scouts.
I had one kid literally light himself on fire -- bleep happens...
Ed tells another dramatic story.
And then remember that a lot of the grass spaces are technically evacuation spaces from the buildings. It’s not fire as much as smoke or toxic fumes (some janitor mixing things she ought not have) and if you have just one building on a 5 acre site it isn’t an issue, but in the city you have to account for WHERE the evacuees are going to go before you can bring in buses to take them somewhere else. And you don’t want them out in the street because that is where your fire trucks and ambulances are going to be.
So you plan for your pretty grass lawns to be your evacuation/assembly areas.
And you can’t do this if you have a lot of idiots in tents there.
Oh ffs, now you're wishcasting student protestors going up in flames? Lol. You're a real piece of work.
Sterno cans can kill too. Wife’s first husband died from an overturned Sterno can (followed by some medical malpractice).
I'm reminded of the 1968-1969 "student strike" at San Francisco State University. The "strikers" consisted of the usual assortment of '60s leftist loons (Black Panthers, SDS, etc.) who shut down the campus and harassed anyone who crossed the picket line (i.e., students attempting to attend the classes they had paid for). They used sound trucks to disrupt classes. One frustrated professor, S.I. Hayakawa, went outside and ripped the wires from the speakers on a sound truck. When the leftist mob started screaming at him about their "First Amendment rights," he responded, "Sue me."
(This made Hayakawa something of a celebrity in conservative circles, and he served as a Republican U.S. Senator from California from 1977 to 1983, retiring at the end of his one term.)
Those '60s leftists have shaped our national progress -- against the wishes and efforts of obsolete, bigoted, backwater right-wingers -- and improved America for decades.
The key is "open debate". Debates have rules. Violators can be subjected to sanctions. There is no open debate on campuses. Hostage photos have been taken down. Israeli flags have been snatched and burned.
Blocking access to public areas, harassing and threatening Jewish students, creating an atmosphere of fear on campus to the extent that Jewish students were advised to leave and classes are being conducted remotely and supporting terrorist organizations are not examples of protected speech.
If these birds want to be given free speech, they have to give it in return. If one does not like the rules, he should go find another game. this is especially true of non-citizens, who can be deported for these actions.
If these birds want to be given free speech, they have to give it in return
Then go after them when they stifle others’ speech; you’re advocating going after them for talking. Which is censorship.
this is especially true of non-citizens, who can be deported for these actions
Yes, lets make ourselves look like a bad place to come and learn for the rest of the world. What could go wrong if we cut ourselves off from 90% of the talent pool? You know, for freedom?
"you’re advocating going after them for talking"
???
Are you referring to something Avi the K said in some other place? The comment you are replying to pretty explicitly says the opposite.
It is his modus operandi.
As always, he's arguing with the voices in his head.
Since he believes these birds are not giving other people free speech, it's pretty clear what he thinks about their speech rights.
I dunno. It sounds pretty Golden Rule to me. What's the matter with you should treat others like you want to be treated?
"If you don't want to be stabbed, don't stab other people" isn't "I want to stab people".
Or for another example "If I want my comments to be read charitably, I should read other people's comments charitably".
'The editorial begins by arguing that no First Amendment rights to protest on privately owned property:'
Free speech absolutists: always looking for technicalities.
If not for free speech on public and private campuses, I would not know to clear out the entire staff of the admissions office and revise faculty hiring procedures.
Speech vs barred conduct is pretty easy. It's the Title VI, hostile environment, issue that gets sticky.
If students misgender someone, if you are bullying towards a minority, etc. the university can be held liable for allowing a hostile environment based on religion or nation of origin. If they are to be held liable, then they should have some power to regulate that speech. In fact, they have been doing so, and increasingly doing so, for decades. If that's their position, then they themselves can't discriminate between bullying based on gender or race on one hand, and religion and national origin on the other.
Schools are in a tough position. Say yes to free speech, and they may be putting themselves on the line for hostile environment lawsuits. The solution, it seems to me, is to be consistent across the board, and not favor one group or viewpoint.
That's where they are digging a very deep hole for themselves.
I said this long ago.
Of course there is not
Even one day tent actions are against the agreement that my tuition pays for.