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From Prof. Adam Candeub on the Texas Social Media Law
I'm glad to be able to pass along this item from Prof. Candeub (who has written extensively on this general subject):
The Texas social media law (H.B. 20) requires the major social media platforms to refrain from discrimination on the basis of viewpoint, thereby allowing those of all political, religious, and social views to participate in what the Supreme Court has called our "modern public square." The platforms challenged the law on First Amendment grounds in NetChoice v. Paxton, and the Court heard argument last February.
One of the arguments in favor of the law is that Texas can impose non-discrimination mandates on social media firms pursuant to its power to regulate public accommodation and common carriers. Grounded in actions of assumpsit dating back to the early-17th century common law, public accommodation law traditionally required businesses making generalized offerings of goods or services to the public to accept all customers—though at common law, such businesses could refuse or terminate a service offered to all in a general undertaking if they offered a legally valid reason, as Adam J. MacLeod explains. Property owners do not have absolute rights under the First Amendment to exclude speakers or speech they dislike or wish to suppress. Modern public accommodation, first codified in the mid-19th century, rejects certain types of discrimination as valid.
Similarly, under common carrier law, a legal category that predates public accommodations, firms that engage in the business of transmitting messages as part of an undertaking to provide carriage to everyone, such as letter and package carriers, telephones and telegraphs, must carry the speech of all regardless of viewpoint or the content of the message, as I explain.
Professor Ilya Somin recently wrote a post agreeing with Professor Christopher Yoo who argues that simply labelling a firm a "common carrier" "plays no significant role in the constitutional analysis" and that common carrier laws for social media violate the First Amendment. But, that doesn't seem quite right. Common carrier designation reflects a legislative judgment that businesses which carry their customers' messages should "stay in their lane" so as not to interfere with the expressive rights of their customers. And, for centuries the courts have respected that legislative judgment.
Allowing certain industries, particularly those that occupy vulnerable chokepoints in the flow of commerce and information, to engage in "editorial control," advances neither First Amendment values nor broader political social values. To make the point concretely, no one could possibly believe that phone companies or email providers should have the right to interrupt your conversations or messages with "fact checks" or censor conversations due to "misinformation." And, most would be uncomfortable with phone conversations interrupted by advertisements. At oral argument in Paxton, this was a point on which Supreme Court justices seemed to agree.
Over the years, courts have adopted various tests to determine what constitutes a common carrier. These tests include whether the firm at issue is affected with a public interest, possesses monopoly power, is involved in the transportation and communication industries, receives compensating benefits such as liability protection, or offers a uniform contract to all. Professor Yoo argues social media fails them all; I argue the opposite. I welcome the reader to make up his own mind.
But, Professor Somin makes three arguments that I could respond to here. First, he states that "the standard rationale for common carrier regulation is that the firms in question have some kind of monopoly power." This is not historically true. As Yoo points out, Bruce Wyman argued influentially for the market power justification in the early 20th century, but it does not fit the history of common carrier regulation which included non-monopolies from its beginning.
Assuming arguendo, however, that market power is relevant to common carrier classification, Somin rejects the claims that the social media platforms exercise market power. Indulging in a bit of "folk market power analysis," he points to survey data where respondents state they receive more of their news information from television than social media, and he points to the existence of major conservative news outlets. These facts, Somin argues, undercut any claim that the social media can effectively strangle conservative markets or has the market power to provide inferior products to its users. Interestingly, Professor Richard Epstein took the opposite view in his amicus in Paxton.
Courts throughout the country—and in Europe—have found that the major internet platforms exercise market power. They may do so in unusual ways that economists don't quite understand yet, exploiting network effects in an environment of "free" user service. But, it is certainly a reasonable legislative judgment, well within Texas's purview, that they do exercise market power. And, to indulge in some "folk market power analysis" of my own, social media platform market power and network effects is the only way to explain why all those lefties and libs stay on Elon Musk's X.
Second, Somin argues that common carrier analogies are "misplaced" because "the whole point of most political discourse on social media is the ability to reach a large audience" and discriminatory content moderation lets "consumers to find the material they want, while avoiding harassment, offense, and other things that make the experience annoying, unpleasant, or simply a waste of time."
But the Texas law only prohibits viewpoint discrimination—not content discrimination. Somin mischaracterizes the Texas law when he claims common carrier mandate "impos[es] a near-total ban on such [content-moderation] rules." Platforms would be free to remove "harassment" or other "unpleasant" material in the same way that phone networks can remove callers who make crank or harassing calls. Facebook would be free to ban objectionable content such as nudity—but not advocates of naturism, whom some might consider objectionable.
Further, users already control what they see on social media for the most part. They chose and block users. Indeed, there's a famous charge against social media platforms that they allow users to create ideological "bubbles." And, last, common carriers carried newspapers and magazines and other material that was political discourse meant for a large audience. Indeed, that was their whole point. One of the first acts of Congress was to mandate special rates for the carriage of newspapers.
Third, Somin claims "moderation rules and content restrictions are crucial for social media, … it is far better for the quality … of such rules to be determined by competition in the market than by one-size-fits-all government mandates."
This argument, I concede, makes me feel as if Professor Somin and I live in different worlds. At this moment, Elon Musk's X is the only social media company holding out against Brazil's efforts to use the platforms to silence political opposition. No one can doubt that the social media platforms colluded with government to silence critics during the COVID debacle—and worked to censor Hunter Biden's laptop at a critical moment in the 2020 elections. The Twitter files revealed a vast bureaucratic collusion among the platforms, government, and non-profit organizations to monitor and censor speech. And, most frighteningly, the EU's Digital Service Act (DSA) imposes government censorship on the platforms in Europe. The major platforms now have a choice: offer a cheaper-to-run EU compliant censored internet for the whole world or create a second platform: a special, geo-fenced "free" internet only available in the U.S. Without H.B. 20, which would outlaw such censorship, the EU may end up determining what gets said on social media worldwide, including in the United States.
I don't think I'm being hyperbolic when I assert these developments threaten free speech on this planet. Only Texas's H.B. 20 stands against them. These developments outstrip concerns in the "quality" of one's social media. I certainly respect the strict libertarian, anti-regulatory stance that Professor Somin's arguments reflect. And, like most conservatives, I agree with that stance 95% of the time. But, all theory must yield to reality. Given the willingness, even eagerness, of the platforms globally to work with government to discriminate against politically unpopular viewpoints, it seems to me that those who love liberty and treasure freedom of thought and expression should support H.B. 20 and at least consider the common carrier principles that help to justify its legality.
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As applied to regular businesses, this seems like it was enforced extremely selectively, if at all. And prior to late 20th century civil rights law, I don't imagine that a substantial portion of individuals believed that a jury could weigh in on the reason a shop or restaurant owner refused to serve a patron.
The rest of the discussion is rather interesting as it applies to specific businesses that are quite different from a shop or restaurant and to which higher burdens might apply. But the above snippet sweeps in all businesses and imagines a common law history with juries apparently inquiring into all manner of decisions.
"I don't think I'm being hyperbolic when I assert these developments threaten free speech on this planet."
I wonder what statement(s) Prof. Candeub would consider hyperbolic.
" . . . these developments threaten free speech within the Universe."
" . . . these developments threaten free speech now and well into the 30th Century."
" . . . these developments threaten free speech - including God's ability to speak to us."
If it threatens free speech in the US, it threatens free speech on the planet by bringing the US down to the standard of other countries who seem perfectly happy to restrict "hate speech" and related concepts.
Over the years, courts have adopted various tests to determine what constitutes a common carrier. These tests include whether the firm at issue is affected with a public interest, possesses monopoly power, is involved in the transportation and communication industries, receives compensating benefits such as liability protection, or offers a uniform contract to all. Professor Yoo argues social media fails them all; I argue the opposite. I welcome the reader to make up his own mind.
None of this matters. We already passed the 800 pound gorilla when these same people arguing for corporate free speech threatened to cost these same companies hundreds of billions in stock valuation by wiping section 230, opening them up to lawsuits and crushing their business model, unless they started censoring the way the politicians wanted, which meant harrassing tweets, which was done (and controversially applied to politicians before an election.)
The exact same people.
The exact same people.
The exact same people.
The exact same people.
The Democrats even had a debate discussion unit on it, where they desperately tried to one up each other on how to hurt these very corporations unless they censored. Of course, the Republicans tried to respond in kind, threatening 230 if they did go along with it.
We’re already perma-buried in BS on this issue.
How many times does it have to be demonstrated to you that this is nonsense - that social media companies demonstrably made up their own mind and often told the government to get stuffed?
You repeat it like a mantra, like an ideological signifier independent from evidence and reality.
And now you say Prof. Somin is pro censorship or some such rot.
A truly brainless demonstration of ideology over reality.
Why to you spout nonsense? Threatening hundreds of billions is nothing?
I recall the facebook guy, I think it was, who declined to do this to politicians because it was before an election. Congress had him come in and explain himself. Like wtf.
At least you acknowledge the threat was real. Baby steps. But it’s clownish to think such incomprehensively astronomical penalties had no effect, like a bruised woman who comes into the ER, I just fell down the stairs.
You: See? Nothing happened!
Sick
The same people cheering that on now miracuously support corporate rights because now, unlike 2015, they got their censorship regime implemented.
Sick. Step away from the Constitution.
I do not acknowledge the threat was real, and my evidence is how the social media companies did not seem threatened.
Your evidence is continual appeals to incredulity.
'Threatening hundreds of billions is nothing?'
It. Didn't. Happen.
Denial is not refutation. It absolutely did happen.
Exclusive: Big Tech's Democratic critics discuss ways to strike back with White House
White House renews call to ‘remove’ Section 230 liability shield
I can absolutely deny that 'discussions' do not constitute the blunt, big-stick threat Krayt keeps lying about.
"I can absolutely deny"
True, but that doesn't make your denial meaningful.
The lack of threats as described makes it meaningful.
Either (a) you are so naive that you think threats and hints and promises by a coercive monopolistic government are easily ignored, or (b) you think your audience is naive enough to believe it.
Either way, you are amazingly naive.
I have evidence – the twitter files ironically showed how very much twitter was not acting as an agent of the government.
You have nothing more than appeals to incredulity.
Oh, and accusations that I'm in bad faith.
And yet you pretend all the other evidence is not evidence, and are naive enough to expect everyone to take your word for it.
"naive enough "
No, he knows he is gaslighting but a leopard can't change his spots you know.
You think lying is a virtue. That doesn’t mean I do.
'He secretly knows you're right but is lying to you about it' is just another unsupported flight of fancy from the self-deluded.
The Twitter files showed that Twitter was not a slavishly obedient agent of the government. SOME of the people tasked with carrying out the government's will would push back in isolated cases where they could find no plausible pretext for the demanded censorship.
That doesn't mean they weren't doing the government's bidding most of the time.
By your standard here, the State Department wasn't acting as an agent of the government during the Trump administration, since they didn't always do as they were told.
Blackmail doesn't usually result in half measures. Multiple counterexamples to your (still unsupported) narrative are not something you to just brush off.
Though since you seem mostly interested in convincing yourself, I suppose the bar is set pretty low.
Various parts of our Government talks about doing stuff business won't like *all the time*. That's part of the biz.
Your sudden declaration that that's a threat remains just a story you tell yourselves to feel oppressed.
Blackmail of individuals usually doesn't result in half-measures, because individuals will typically act in a somewhat consistent manner. Blackmail of institutions? Sure, no reason to expect THAT to result in perfectly consistent capitation, because you have a variety of people doing things, and they haven't necessarily all gotten a memo reading, "Do whatever the DOJ says, or we go bankrupt next week."
Awesome, so now it's unfalsifiable.
Well done, Brett, you're now not even wrong.
'That doesn’t mean they weren’t doing the government’s bidding most of the time.'
But... they weren't.
Meanwhile the same cohort that wants to pseudo-nationalize our social media company due to "ideological bias" that sounds more like vibes, also has evidenceless complaints about:
-biased juries
-biased judges
-biased education system in every state
-biased big business
-biased silicon valley
-biased media
-biased medical community
-biased scientists
-biased GOP against true MAGA
-and so on.
Even if you win, you'll still be the same persecution-complex ridden ever-angry buncha losers. What will your next target be? The media via fairness doctrine or expanded defamation law? Or maybe try a run at schools yet again? Or perhaps RINO hunting again? Or Heritage I hear wants to end the FBI.
Weird how in all the talk abut social media companies, bias, dsinformation and censorship, the fact that Trump owns his own social media company tends to get overlooked.
"evidenceless"
A word you don't understand.
Maybe we inflate a little the bias but its real and there is plenty of evidence around.
No, you have no evidence. There is in fact counterveilling evidence.
You misapprehending rumblings about Sec 230 as evidence of blackmail is not evidence, it is as I said a persecution complex.
I am not talking just about social media though you thinking modest resistance to government threats is conclusive is just your typical gaslighting. Its like arguing that because Fox News reaches 4 million people it shows lack of national media bias.
You listed many institutions. Let's take "biased media".
Name a single pro-Trump opinion writer at WaPo or NYT. Trump is supported by 45% of the population after all. Should be several such examples. Heck, name one at any major paper other than the Wall Street Journal.
Other than Fox News, NY Post and the opinion page of the Wall Street Journal, name a single national media outlet that is not slanted towards liberals.
'modest resistance to government threats'
Weird way of saying 'completely ignored staightforward entirely non-threatening requests.'
'Name a single pro-Trump opinion writer at WaPo or NYT'
They could lick Trump's boots you'd still call them lib-lovers.
OTHER THAN THESE MAJOR NATIONAL MEDIA VENUES NAME A SINGLE ONE
Mind you, you have to wonder what 'slanted towards liberals' even means? Didn't treat Trump's claims about the election as anything other than the obvious lies they were? Ones that didn't get hysterical because a trans person drank some beer?
You got nothing so you just insult.
You're pretty big on insults lately.
What are your words, snowflake? Who set you up as the paragon of polite virtue?
Not Bob, that's for sure.
Bob's the one tone policing, chief.
You got nothing but developing a suddenly thin skin.
What conservatives see as bias is merely America's liberal-libertarian mainstream winning the culture war and
preferring science to dogma;
disrespecting belligerent ignorance;
preferring reason and the reality-based world to superstition and religion;
rejecting delusional conspiracy theories;
choosing inclusiveness rather than bigotry and insularity;
embracing modernity and progress rather than pining for illusory "good old days;"
finding nothing attractive about un-American bigots and can't-keep-up insurrectionists;
preferring our strongest research and teaching institutions to fourth-tier, nonsense-teaching, conservative-controlled, censorship-shackled campuses;
and
favoring strong, educated, modern, successful, diverse communities to shambling, parasitic rural stretches.
The real issue is that conservatives are on the wrong side of history, the weaker side at the modern marketplace of ideas, and the losing side of the culture war. They are in that position because they just can't stand all of this damned progress.
When I read obviously self-serving drivel like this, I wonder if the writer can possibly believe his own BS or whether shouting the team talking point is the goal, regardless of truth.
Says a guy who follows the Volokh Conspiracy?
Carry on, clinger.
I’d say “pseudo-nationalize” is a pretty good description of the national government telling private companies what to do.
There were some other countries tried doing that, 1920s Italy, 1930s Germany. But they didn't truly nationalize anything, so they weren't socialist. /s
I note the sides flip flop on many things, depending on whether it benefits them or the other guys. This is no different. Indeed, I regularly include Republican tit for tat section 230 threats.
And of course the most clownish of all, loathing corporate speech rights in two cases the past decade or so, “coincidentally” against their politics, now loving it, “coincidentally” when it supports their politics.
Are you listening? And vice-versa.
YeeHaw, Texas! You tell them bushwhackin' eggheads that the gummint gon' force they private companies what content to display. Now do Christian broadcasting, AM Radio and Faux!
"and discriminatory content moderation lets "consumers to find the material they want, while avoiding harassment, offense, and other things that make the experience annoying, unpleasant, or simply a waste of time."
Actually, discriminatory content moderation just as often prevents consumers from finding the information they want, as it aids them in finding it. Because the content they wanted got moderated away, duh.
And the primary cause of exposure to unwanted content on platforms such as FB is actually the platforms themselves insisting on pushing unwanted content on users in their effort to monetize their views.
And the unwanted content it's mostly pushing... Ben Shapiro.
Well, naturally what qualifies as unwanted content is a function of what you want.
No, they absolutely boost and promote and try to put put Ben Shapiro into everyone's feed.
I didn't say they weren't pushing him, I said that whether he's "unwanted" content depends on what you want.
Yeah, I know you suddenly decided to play coy, I saw you doing it.
You think there is a big conspiracy among tech companies to push Ben Shapiro?
Do you have a kool hooded robe and title like Grand Kleagle?
I understood the big conspiracy among tech companies was to be all super-woke and liberal in the bag for the Dems.
Not just Ben Shapiro, that other guy with the white hair. I don't know these guys but know of them. The videos are just at first glance some seemingly mundane speech. Are they trying to get me to follow so I can fall into some fire and brimstone postings?
Brian Cox and Neil deGrasse Tyson take me away!
Wait, this is in my feed wall today, too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shZ46ODt164
" . . . pushing unwanted content on users in their effort to monetize their views."
I don't like that either but is there a legal/constitutional argument against it?
No, not really. Just because they're the actual source of the problem doesn't mean it's a legal/constitutional problem.
I'm just pointing out that the problems complained about aren't a product of the platforms refraining from discriminatory content moderation. They're actually a PRODUCT of content moderation, in the sense of the platforms NOT acting as passive conduits for their users' speech.
It's not like these platforms are run like billboards that just spew everything on them to every user. Aside from pushed content, you only see what you set out to see.
Your side brought this on themselves, Bellmore. We had a pandemic and the kooks were saying Bill Gates was putting microchips in the vaccines. For the sake of saving the lives of the gullible, they had to moderate that shit out. Then the kooks started threatening doctors, nurses, teachers, council members, judges...so that shit had to go. Then the president uses the platforms to overthrow the government. Too much rightwing priors to give you guys free reign anymore. But you got Truth Social now...use it
Yes, we're responsible for your side censoring; What else could you do once we actually had the gall to say things you'd WANT to censor? [/sarc]
Dipshit, the platforms started this censorship years before Covid.
'Yes, we’re responsible for your side censoring;'
Whatever 'side' it is trying to filter out dangerous disinformation, yes, if you want to cal it that, if it makes you feel better, if it helps you avoid confronting the causes and the consequences honestly. Nobody claimed deranged and dangerous right-wing Russia-boosted Trump-amplified disinformation started with covid.
Yeah, that’s the pro-censorship perspective: If you think speech is ‘dangerous’ you’re entitled to suppress it.
Naturally, that other people might disagree with you about what’s dangerous isn’t relevant to that…
I think it's darkly hilarious that, about the time the Catholic church dropped that whole "Error has no rights" business, the left picked it up and ran with it.
Oh sure, when you don't actually care if people live or die, if you don't care if something is true or not, if you don't care if a lie is dangerous or not, then it's oooh *handwave* 'I can't tell reality from unreality, right from wrong up from down, so who's to say?' Your side pushed the most appalling vaccine lies, you got mad because for some reason people didn't just sit and passively let them do it. In fact, it was win win for you! If the vaccine lies were allowed to completely flood everywhere and everything with no puchback - victory for the right! You're literally rewriting reality to suit yourselves! Even the fairly restrained and minor pushback against it? CENSORSHIP! YOU MONSTERS! please ignore the book bans, the laws against pronouns and nicknames, the laws against wearing certain types of clothing, the suppression of certain areas of study in universities, etc etc. Let's ignore how a right wing politician owns his own social media site and a right-wing billionaire owns another and let's not look too closely at what goes on there and what 'free speech' actually menas in those venues, eh?
People are out there thinking and saying wrong things! Or at least things I disagree with! Or things that can be strawmanned into containing some inaccuracy! They must be stopped!
I know, imagine, people out there disagree with the fucking bullshit that vaccines are full of poison and covid is a scam AND a deadly bio-weapon attack by the Chinese and the NWO. How dare they disagree with these self-evident things. That's the same as censorhip and fascism! These people will be imprisoned and executed for their crimes against humanity!
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How funny is it that the Volokh Conspiracy, which claims to be libertarian and a champion of freedom of expression, has a vivid record of viewpoint-driven censorship (and enough bigotry to sink a white, male, conservative battleship)?
Carry on, socially awkward, obsolete, white, male clingers.
And of course, no one gets to disagree with the censors as to what is or is not disinformation.
Right? Just have a "fact checker" determine truth. One weird trick!
Pontius Pilate: What is truth?
Nige (lisping): Ith facts and thienth, DUH!
No-one? No-one is disagreeing? What fucking planet are you clowns living on?
Quite the little authoritarian here.
You know there have always been people ranting about crazy theories, right? The guy on the stool at the end of the bar, folks at the coffee shop or the auto mechanic. Nobody is ever forced to listen much less give credence. Normal people laugh it off. Maybe you don’t get out much. Social media didn’t change anything except providing a mode of expression that made it easier for all the little tyrants like you to censor everything you see that doesn’t conform to your little goodthink or whatever.
And then of course, for good measure, there are things like, you know, Bill Gates' actual plan to develop nanocrystals that would be injected along with a vaccine in order to store identification, vaccine history, and medical or other information under the skin. But the social media censorship you love didn't distinguish between crazy theories vs factual and nuanced discussions or any sort of truth at all, it was all just political bias and censorship top to bottom without a hint of even handedness.
‘You know there have always been people ranting about crazy theories, right?’
No shit? Fucking hell, huge, if true.
‘Normal people laugh it off.
How many people took ivermectin to cure their covid? How many still think Trump won the last election? Granted, they’re not ‘normal’ but that’s an arbitrary designation at the best of times.
‘the little tyrants like you to censor everything you see that doesn’t conform to your little goodthink or whatever.’
Well I personally censored fuck-all. The people with power to censor? Also censored fuck-all. When some specific utter bullshit you’ve been churning out runs out of road, switch tactics to scream about censorship. Which is easy because you were screaming about it when churning the bullshit anyway.
You think the people claiming the vaccines were implanting micro-chips were engaged in nuanced discussions? Oh, mercy.
I agree that common carrier status and being subject to discrimination laws is not a matter of absolute objective relatiy, but depends on the use society makes of a resource, which tends to make the matter more one of legislative judgment. Hence:
1. A good deal of, but not all of, what social media companies do easily fits within the traditional common carrier rubric.
2. The evolution of discrimination law over the last century or so has clarified that companies do not have to be individually monopolies to be subject to it; it suffices if the aggregate has a signinficant affect on people’s choices and lives.
3. Congress or a state can require social media companies to split their businesses into separate common carrier and publishing businesses if a legislature so wishes.
4. In general, a company that operates a business subject to common carrier and/or discrimination law cannot shield that business from such laws by running a publishing business on top of it. A legislature can give such businesses the choice of either splitting up or making everything subject to its common carrier/discrimination law.
Hey, if you repeat it 50 more times it won't be any less crazy.
1. Virtually none of what social media companies do fit within the supposed traditional common carrier rubric.
2. The application of discrimination law to most commerce doesn't generally implicate the 1A and is thus irrelevant. (Where it does, it generally has to give way to the 1A.)
3. No. No more than that it can require the NYT to split its paper into ads or subscriptions.
4. In general, a publishing company cannot be subject to common carrier and/or discrimination law. See, e.g., 303 Creative.
The NYTimes in fact DOES split its business. It is subject to discrimination laws for the advertising component of its business.
You, Stephen Lathrop, and others have consistently argued social media companies operate a unitary business that can’t be split into components some of which are subject to discrimination laws and some of which aren’t.
I think the fact that the NYTimes manages this split – you are simply wrong in claiming it doesn’t – reinforces my view.
As I’ve said before, people USE social media companies like email and like the public square. How social media companies describe or regard their business doesn’t matter. What matters is how people interact with them from the users’ point of view.
What matters is how people interact with them from the users’ point of view.
ReaderY, try thinking that through, from the point of view of a user mindful that there are big bills to be paid to enable that use, and the user is not the one paying them. Your advocacy relies on notions you suppose are plausible, but which do not withstand scrutiny on even that threadbare basis, let alone any higher standard.
Nice work!
On a light note, there is a "Professor Somin and I live in different worlds" club forming.
Prof. Somin appears to be a genuine libertarian.
He doesn't seem to pal around (other than by showing up at Federalist Society events, at which I imagine he keeps his distance) with Christian dominionists or white nationalists.
He doesn't seem to be someone who claims libertarianism, if properly understood, is congruent with anti-abortion absolutism; government gay-bashing; race-targeting voter suppression; torture; government funding of religious schools; attacking the wrong country; authoritarian, bigoted, and cruel immigration policies and practices; etc.
Prof. Somin vividly and to his great credit lives in a different world from that of the other Volokh Conspirators (Baker, Volokh, Blackman, Zywicki, Bernstein, Lindgren, Barnett, Kontorovich, Calabresi, etc.) and the conservative fans of those bloggers' self-described "often libertarian, libertarianish" blog.
For people who don't think facebook (or whatever) is a common carrier because you can use some other social media platform: what is your view on whether cell phone companies are common carrier-ish? After all, you can choose from Verizon or Tmobile or whatever.
If Verizon develops an AI misinformation suppressor that bleeps conversations that it thinks are spreading misinformation, is that OK?
Or email providers ... there are lots of them, and they already suppress a lot of spam. Is it OK if Gmail et al also suppress things they think are misinformation?
A world where fred@pachydermmail.com can't send or receive email critical of Trump, while joe@donkeymail.com can't send or receive email critical of Biden seems like a bad thing. As does a world where whoever is currently in power leans on email/cell phone providers in general to suppress something it considers misinformation, because that can make it pretty tempting to label 'we should vote these bums out' as misinformation.
The whole debate is somewhat warped by the fact that these platforms are, by and large, not responsive to the government, as such, but instead one particular party, whether in or out of government. They're just MORE responsive to that part when it controls the government.
I blame the Republican party and the conservative movement for this, by the way. The left spent literally decades conducting it's march through the institutions, with scarcely a finger lifted to stop them. And now as they approach final victory, NOW, the right starts complaining?
'but instead one particular party, whether in or out of government.'
Oh, so suddenly a party being friendly with businesses is a bad thing.
'The left spent literally decades conducting it’s march through the institutions'
Nah, the right's ideas got more extremist, freakish and unmoored from intellectual foundations, and their resentment at anyone and disagreeing with them got weaponised as paranoid victimhood, reinforced by their relentless attacks on those same intitutions - academe and journaism have always been seen as threats by the right even as they flood them with billionaires' money and cut them to the bone and undermine their standing.
Being a party friendly with businesses has always been a bad thing. Always. Its worse now.
Being friendly to free enterprise -- but not monopoly or control of the public's views -- has always been a good thing. There is much less of that now.
Finally we agree on something. Who's up for campaign finance reform, lobbying regulations, and declarations of interest?
So it's not government blackmail now, it's the *secret unprofessional liberals are in charge of everything* once again!
So Musk took over twitter and made it do less of the things that piss you off.
It's not worked out so great from a profit-making perspective.
Maybe, old twitter's business judgement is actually good, and yours is bad and partisan, eh Brett?
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I certainly respect the strict libertarian . . . stance that Professor Somin’s arguments reflect. And, like most conservatives, I agree with that stance 95% of the time.
Have these right-wingers reached a point at which they believe this rubbish?
Candeub is part of Russell Vought’s authoritarian theocracy project. Candeub worked for the Trump administration. He favors government commandeering of certain speakers (for the crime of being insufficiently hospitable to conservatives’ racism; superstitious gay-bashing; misogyny; Islamophobia; chanting antisemitism; xenophobia; transphobia; un-American conspiracy theories and insurrection; and white nationalism for his taste). I would wager he is a member of Libertarians For Statist Womb Management and Libertarians for Big-Government Micromanagement of Ladyparts Clinics.
Candeub is every bit the libertarian that Eugene Volokh, Josh Blackman, Randy Barnett, David Bernstein, Stewart Baker, Russell Vought, and Donald Trump are.
The Volokh Conspiracy claims to be “often libertarian” and “libertarianish.” This Candeub claims to be 95% libertarian.
What a paltry bunch of disingenuous clingers.
Please rewrite that in English — omitting the leftist jargon — if you want anyone to know what the hell you are talking about.
Get an education. Focus on standard English.
Aging, mentally ill, far-left crank attempts to harass conservatives on the internet for 8 hours per day and rant about "libertarianism."
Why?
I don't think I'm being hyperbolic when I assert these developments threaten free speech on this planet. Only Texas's H.B. 20 stands against them.
I can't speak to what you think you think, only to what is. And you are.
One of the first acts of Congress was to mandate special rates for the carriage of newspapers.
That is a game-deciding own-goal by Candeub against himself. It also ups the score against EV’s historically benighted insistence that the 1A was not intended to protect or privilege an institutional press.
Those special rates were expressly intended to privilege an institutional press featuring privately edited content. At the time, that notion was more closely associated with politically partisan content than it became later, but not until the early 20th century. Either way, the underlying notion—which ought to govern debate right now—was that multiplication of privately edited press institutions would benefit the public life of the nation.
That is what the press freedom clause was about at the time of the founding. That is what the press freedom clause ought to be recognized as being about today.
The right 1A analysis of the Texas attack on press freedom ought simply to be that a state law cannot be read to empower legislation to deprive internet publishers of their own press freedom. If over-concentration of publishing power is what vexes the nation, then the solution cannot be to leave the power over-concentrated, but to let government censor it. The solution must be public policy to de-concentrate the publishing power.
Encourage a myriad of diverse, mutually competitive private publications, numbering at least in the tens of thousands, and every shade of public opinion will find outlet. Those opinions which command public approval will prove more broadly influential in the marketplace of ideas, and spread among the publications accordingly. That was the founders’ vision for the role of an institutional press in the nation’s public life. Nothing about the invention of the internet implies any need to abandon that vision. Indeed, internet efficiencies make the founders’ vision easier to implement, with lower barriers to entry, and thus more democratically accessible than ever before.
Common-carrier nonsense is a stupid distraction. You can’t do it without violating the 1A. It also would not work even if it were Constitutional. The public life of the nation demands massively pluralistic private control of the means of publication. Public policy to facilitate that result is the only policy which makes sense, and it would still be the only policy to follow even if the other choices were not illegal.
It is the common carrier for hire who has the obligation to accept the custom of all comers willing and able to pay the fare. There are precedents confirming a carrier's duty to gratuitous passengers, but they concern the duty of care rather than the duty to carry.
An enterprise that carries messages for free to curate an audience that it will sell access to, is not in the business of carriage for hire.
Constraining its right to select that audience has to withstand a First Amendment challenge without the support of a valid analogy to common carrier law.
While I agree with you that this is one of many reasons why social media companies don't fit the category of common carrier, I would reject the premise that social media companies "carry messages" at all in the common carrier sense. (With a few narrow exceptions such as DMs.) A better term would be something like publish, distribute, and/or broadcast. And that is a very different service.
Eugene, you evidently do not meaningfully curate or apply standards to the opinions you'll share here, but that doesn't make you a common carrier, either.
Really buried the lede on this one. If I had known that Candeub was building himself into a froth over Elon Musk, of all people, I wouldn't have been as annoyed by his various factual mischaracterizations and bizarre distinctions. I would have known he was a hack from the start.
What's happening to you, Eugene? Are you losing your senses? What's happening to this site?