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Tablet Magazine on Tillman: "A thinker whose mind hasn't been corrupted by politics."
Tillman on most things: "There are multiple aspects of the standard narrative ... that just don’t make any sense and that people just have mindlessly repeated for almost two centuries now,”
Tablet, a Jewish Magazine, published a lengthy profile of my dear colleague Seth Barrett Tillman. I think the author really captured Seth's essence. Seth, more than anyone else I've ever met, challenges everything. And I don't mean that in the cliché sense of "think critically." He challenges every assumption, no matter how widely adopted, by bringing forward intellectual communities that have long since faded away. Seth has done this in more contexts than I can count. And in each context, he has clashed with those who seek to perpetuate those narratives--especially where that assumption is essential to their scholarship.
- Some scholars assume that Lincoln ignored Chief Justice Taney's order in Ex Parte Merryman. And that assumption is necessary to argue in favor of a robust Article II power. Tillman disproved that assumption.
- Some scholars assume that that the Order, Resolution, and Vote Clause has the anti-circumvention rationale that Madison attributed to the Presentment Clause. And that assumption is necessary to defend INS v. Chadha. Tillman disproved that assumption.
- Some scholars assume that the North Carolina House of Commons expelled Jacob Henry because he was Jewish. And that assumption is necessary to make broader points about religious discrimination and pluralism. Tillman disproved that assumption.
- Some scholars assume that there is no difference between an "Officer" and an "Officer of the United States," and the Framers used "Officer"-language indiscriminately. And that assumption is necessary to argue that the Presidential Succession Act is unconstitutional. Tillman disproved that assumption.
- Some scholars assume that the President holds an "Office under the United States." And that assumption is necessary to argue that President Trump was violating the Foreign Emoluments Clause. Tillman disproved that assumption. As Will Baude wrote in 2017, Tillman "has a nearly comprehensive theory of how all of the different office-related phrases in the Constitution make sense together." There is no "secret code."
- Some scholars assume that the President is an "Officer of the United States" for purposes of Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment. And that assumption is necessary to argue that President Trump is disqualified for engaging in insurrection. Tillman disproved that assumption.
- I could go on.
There are two general types of responses to Tillman. The first type of response doesn't even bother to engage with Tillman, but instead calls him "crazy" or "weird" or "fringe" or "strange" or speaking a "secret code" or being an "Illuminati priest." This first approach does little to actually address Tillman's arguments, other than use hyperbole, and degrade academic discourse. The second type of response argues that Tillman is wrong, or that he missed a document, or that he failed to account for something. The Hamilton document incident from 2017, which was inexplicably resurrected of late, demonstrates how this second type of response usually shakes out. Indeed, even Justice Scalia can err. As close as I work with Seth, he still pulls things out of his memory banks that I had never heard of it.
I think the Tablet profile really illustrates what makes Tillman tick. No it is not, as some critics love to charge, some sort of political bias. It's actually quite the opposite. Tillman got into the "officer" stuff precisely because it was not political:
[Tillman] told me that when he began researching the original meanings of the various official titles in the U.S. Constitution he did not think the topic would ever be litigated, and saw its lack of political salience as aiding in a clearer comprehension of the past. "The things I wanted to understand, the things that I thought were important to know, become more difficult to write about the more currency they have," Tillman explained. "That is: If you're trying to understand the past, the present often gets in the way and the past often gets rewritten to make itself useful to the present."
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Tillman's various projects often probed different versions of a unifying thematic question: "What if there's something we forgot in part because no one ever thought they had to write it down?" as he put it to me. He believed that the meaning of seemingly innocuous or self-evident terms in the Constitution belonged to this category of vanished knowledge. As early as the mid-1990s, Tillman noticed that even textualist scholars, most notably Akhil Reed Amar, treated the Constitution's offices and officers language as if every title meant the exact same thing. Retrieving any possible original, intended meaning required inventive new approaches.
And with that scholarship, Tillman challenges "useful fictions" and "assumptions."
Human nature in general, not just its various subsets of law, history, and religion, often prefers useful fictions to uncomfortable truths, especially when a figure as unique and polarizing as Donald Trump enters the equation. "We are too willing to accept explanations that have no explanatory force," Tillman said. . . .
Tillman challenges orthodoxies, things that people took for granted," Blackman explained to me. "He makes them rethink it, and they don't like doing that. The immediate response is, 'he's gotta be nuts. It can't be that this guy in Ireland can rethink everything—it's wrong.'" Luckily, Blackman noted, Tillman "doesn't seek their approval."
"It happens a great deal in academic life," Tillman told me, "that the people at the center often feel very threatened with even considering the idea that there's something essential they don't know."
And so it is.
The conclusion of the article highlights one area on which Seth and I do not see entirely eye-to-eye:
Did the persistence of a constitutional obscurity, and the dedication of partisans to exploiting it in order to preclude an undesired democratic result, reveal a strength or a weakness of the U.S. system? Here, it was possible to spot a difference of opinion between Blackman and Tillman.
"Trump just makes obscure constitutional law great again," Blackman sighed the week after the ruling. "Trump has this unique constellation of facts that really test the boundaries of what the law permits." Blackman didn't seem to think the discovery of exciting new frontiers in constitutional theory was worth the attendant innovations in lawfare, the use of legal processes to circumvent the normal run of politics.
The Supreme Court will soon have to rule on Trump's claims that he was immune from prosecution over alleged criminal acts as president, another instance where the ex-president and his opponents are battling over fundamental questions of law and democracy in the months before Americans are supposed to vote. "To be completely honest, I would much rather have never had to deal with any of these cases," said Blackman.
For Tillman, the alleged tendentiousness of the ballot exclusion push recalled much grimmer possibilities. "We have to allow people to make use of the legal system to challenge their political opponents even on weak theories because if we don't the only alternative is violence," Tillman told me from Dublin. "What appears to some people as irresponsible lawfare is the price we all pay for the rule of law."
I encourage everyone to read this article, and for my Jewish friends, print it out to read over the weekend.
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To Prof. Tillman's credit, I don't think he finds himself taking the deeply strange positions he does because of their political valence.
Not sure about all the other positions, but specifically on the presentation clause and constitutional amendments…
The Chase School has to be the correct understanding, because it is nonsensical for the president to have a veto over an amendment, which is an act of sovereignty by the people's representatives, above the mere adoption of a particular law. Plus, because the congressional proposal requirement by a two-thirds vote is enough to override any theoretical veto. Therefore the Constitution requiring presidential approval would be pointless. Any presidential signature is superfluous and at best ministerial. Although I guess some presidents have signed these joint resolutions, even though unnecessary.
Can’t believe debating this arcane point is a thing.
it is nonsensical for the president to have a veto over an amendment, which is an act of sovereignty by the people’s representatives, above the mere adoption of a particular law.
How is it nonsense? Every time Congress passes a law it’s an act of sovereignty by the people’s representatives. Why would a proposal to amend the constitution be different? On the contrary, since it’s merely a proposal rather than a law, it’s less of an act of sovereignty. Congress can’t amend the constitution, it can only propose that the states do so, which is the opposite of sovereignty, so you’d expect that its power would be less in such a case, not more.
Plus, because the congressional proposal requirement by a two-thirds vote is enough to override any theoretical veto. Therefore the Constitution requiring presidential approval would be pointless.
That is what the Supreme Court said in 1798, but in the Adam Clayton Powell case 170 years later it explicitly rejected that reasoning.
In that case 2/3 of the House voted not to seat Powell, which was enough to expel him, so the House argued that it should simply be regarded as a vote to expel him. And the court said no, you can’t do that. You can’t assume that everyone who voted against seating him would also vote for expelling him. If you want to expel him you have to hold the vote and see.
It’s impossible to reconcile that with Chase’s opinion. Not every member who votes for a measure will also vote to override a veto. And the constitution says you have to go through the motion and see what happens. You have to present the amendment, let the president veto it, and then hold a vote to override the veto. Either it passes or it fails, but you have to hold it.
I look forward to the fevered battle between Blackman and Calabresi over which of Tillman and Thomas is more deserving of veneration.
I'm not familiar enough with Tillman's work to be able to evaluate it, on the grounds of its own merit.
I can, however, make some judgments about the quality of his judgment based on his willingness to let his name be attached to Josh Blackman.
And let's just say that, based on that affiliation, I am skeptical that Tillman has, in fact, "disproven" anything, or otherwise written anything that merits careful consideration.
I condemn your mean, unfair satire of how leftists think and argue.
To paraphrase Inigo Montoya:
You keep using that word "disprove." I don't think it means what you think it means.
That's what jumped out at me too. I didn't notice who wrote this at first, saw the repeated use of "disprove" where "challenged" or "disagreed with" could have been used much more effectively, and thought "Oh, this is Blackman".
I see lots of people on social media and the media use "refute" when they mean "dispute." I've never before seen a law professor use "disproved" when he means "argued."
In what way does the second sentence follow from the first?
I think Prof. Baude worded that quote very carefully. Note that he isn't saying that Prof. Tillman's theory is correct or that Baude agrees with the theory. Just that Tillman has a theory and it's nearly comprehensive.
South Texas College of the Law and Maynooth University?
Yes, by all means, lets pause to get the input from these distinguished scholars.
Tillman's work is actually well worth reading, in my humble opinion. I'm not always convinced by his arguments, but he is an excellent challenger of conventional wisdom.
“Well everyone knows that the President is an Officer of the United States. What this book presupposes is…maybe he isn’t?”
He's an officer "of" the United States. But he's not an officer "under" the United States.
"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State..."
The normal grammatical presumption here, apart from any urgency about finding a particular meaning to achieve a particular political consequence, would be that Senators, Representatives, and Electors do not hold "any office, civil or military, under the United States". Because otherwise it would be "any other" office.
And the omission of the Presidency, when the electors for the same WERE mentioned, would be taken as deliberate.
I think this may be an even stranger position than Prof. Tillman’s.
Just making a movie reference, dude.
So, what's the question about the "Order, Resolution, and Vote Clause", exactly? I haven't heard that one.
The post includes a link to Tillman's paper on the subject from 2005:
"A Textualist Defense of Article I, Section 7, Clause 3: Why Hollingsworth v. Viriginia Was Rightly Decided, and Why INS v. Chadha Was Wrongly Reasoned"
From the perspective of Rhetoric, it is common for people timid about their own convictions to state a forceful belief in someone else's oracular view and then say "I say what he says"