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Eleventh Circuit Strikes Down Stop W.O.K.E. Act's Restrictions on Private Employers
From Honeyfund.com inc v. Governor, decided today by the Eleventh Circuit, in an opinion by Judge Britt Grant, joined by Judges Charles Wilson and Andrew Brasher:
The State of Florida seeks to bar employers from holding mandatory meetings for their employees if those meetings endorse viewpoints the state finds offensive. But meetings on those same topics are allowed if speakers endorse viewpoints the state agrees with, or at least does not object to. This law, as Florida concedes, draws its distinctions based on viewpoint—the most pernicious of dividing lines under the First Amendment. But the state insists that ordinary First Amendment review does not apply because the law restricts conduct, not speech.
We cannot agree, and we reject this latest attempt to control speech by recharacterizing it as conduct….
Florida's law, the Individual Freedom Act [part of the Stop W.O.K.E Act], bans certain mandatory workplace trainings. The Act says employers cannot subject "any individual, as a condition of employment," to "training, instruction, or any other required activity that espouses, promotes, advances, inculcates, or compels" a certain set of beliefs. It goes on to list the rejected ideas, all of which relate to race, color, sex, or national origin:
- Members of one race, color, sex, or national origin are morally superior to members of another race, color, sex, or national origin.
- An individual, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin, is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously.
- An individual's moral character or status as either privileged or oppressed is necessarily determined by his or her race, color, sex, or national origin.
- Members of one race, color, sex, or national origin cannot and should not attempt to treat others without respect to race, color, sex, or national origin.
- An individual, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin, bears responsibility for, or should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment because of, actions committed in the past by other members of the same race, color, sex, or national origin.
- An individual, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin, should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment to achieve diversity, equity, or inclusion.
- An individual, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin, bears personal responsibility for and must feel guilt, anguish, or other forms of psychological distress because of actions, in which the individual played no part, committed in the past by other members of the same race, color, sex, or national origin.
- Such virtues as merit, excellence, hard work, fairness, neutrality, objectivity, and racial colorblindness are racist or sexist, or were created by members of a particular race, color, sex, or national origin to oppress members of another race, color, sex, or national origin.
Discussion of these topics, however, is not completely barred—the law prohibits requiring attendance only for sessions endorsing them. Employers can still require employees to attend sessions that reject these ideas or present them in an "objective manner without endorsement of the concepts."
Florida justifies its Act as an antidiscrimination law. According to the state's briefs, affirming these prohibited concepts constitutes "hostile speech," and forcing it on employees amounts to "invidious discrimination" that the state can prohibit. By limiting the range of views that employees can be required to hear, the Act (its proponents say) will protect Floridians from this dangerous and offensive speech—whether they wish to hear it or not….
The ideas targeted in Florida's Individual Freedom Act are embraced in some communities, and despised in others. But no matter what these ideas are really worth, they define the contours of the Act. By limiting its restrictions to a list of ideas designated as offensive, the Act targets speech based on its content. And by barring only speech that endorses any of those ideas, it penalizes certain viewpoints—the greatest First Amendment sin. Florida concedes as much, even admitting that the Act rejects certain viewpoints. But the state insists that what looks like a ban on speech is really a ban on conduct because only the meetings are being restricted, not the speech.
We have rejected similar conduct-not-speech claims before. So too here. The only way to discern which mandatory trainings are prohibited is to find out whether the speaker disagrees with Florida. That is a classic—and disallowed—regulation of speech….
The Individual Freedom Act prohibits mandatory employee meetings—but only when those meetings include speech endorsing certain ideas. Florida does not attempt to defend the Act as a regulation of traditionally unprotected speech like fighting words or true threats. Indeed, it acknowledges that the law enforces viewpoint-based restrictions, conceding that authorities would need to evaluate "the content of speech" and "the viewpoint expressed in a mandatory training seminar to determine whether the Act applies." But the result, Florida says, is a "restriction on the conduct" of holding the mandatory meeting, "not a restriction on the speech" that takes place at that meeting.
That characterization reflects a clever framing rather than a lawful restriction. True enough—the Act facially regulates the mandatory nature of banned meetings rather than the speech itself. But the fact that only mandatory meetings that convey a particular message and viewpoint are prohibited makes quick work of Florida's conduct-not-speech defense. To know whether the law bans a meeting, "enforcement authorities must examine the content of the message that is conveyed." If Florida disapproves of the message, the meeting cannot be required. This is a direct penalty on certain viewpoints— because the conduct and the speech are so intertwined, regulating the former means restricting the latter. In short, the disfavored "conduct" cannot be identified apart from the disfavored speech. That duality makes the Act a textbook regulation of core speech protected by the First Amendment….
Because the Act is a content- and viewpoint-based speech regulation, we apply strict scrutiny—an "exacting standard," and one that reflects our Constitution's fundamental commitment to the free exchange of ideas. "It is rare that a regulation restricting speech because of its content will ever be permissible." … And again, for the law to survive, the government bears the burden of showing that it is narrowly tailored to serve a compelling state interest….
Florida claims that it has a compelling interest in protecting individuals from being forced, under the threat of losing their jobs, to listen to speech "espousing the moral superiority of one race over another," "proclaiming that an individual, by virtue of his or her race, is inherently racist," or "endorsing the racially discriminatory treatment of individuals because of past racist acts in which they played no part." These categories of speech, Florida now says, qualify as "invidious discrimination" that the state can regulate.
That many people find these views deeply troubling does not mean that by banning them Florida is targeting discrimination. "To discriminate generally means to treat differently." But the Act does not regulate differential treatment: the employer's speech, offensive or not, is directed at all employees, whether they agree with it or not. Florida has no compelling interest in creating a per se rule that some speech, regardless of its context or the effect it has on the listener, is offensive and discriminatory. "It is firmly settled that under our Constitution the public expression of ideas may not be prohibited merely because the ideas are themselves offensive to some of their hearers."
Still, even if we presumed that the Act served the interest of combating discrimination in some way, its breadth and scope would doom it. Banning speech on a wide variety of political topics is bad; banning speech on a wide variety of political viewpoints is worse. A government's desire to protect the ears of its residents "is not enough to overcome the right to freedom of expression." That is why, even in the face of compelling interests, "[b]road prophylactic rules" are generally disfavored and cannot survive.
This law is no different. Florida insists that its Act is narrowly tailored—indeed that it "focuses with surgical precision" because it covers only mandatory instruction. That means, Florida says, discussions forced on unwilling employees. But another way of putting it would be that the Act's prohibitions apply only when an employer wants to communicate a message badly enough to make meeting attendance mandatory. Stripping this argument down to the essentials thus reveals its infirmity.
But even accepting Florida's argument on its own terms would require us to ignore that the law bans speech even when no one listening finds it offensive. That is to say, it keeps both willing and unwilling listeners from hearing certain perspectives—for every one person who finds these viewpoints offensive, there may be another who welcomes them. Florida acknowledged as much in oral argument, and recognized that the Act fails to account for that problem with its narrow tailoring argument. But make no mistake—even if every employee did disagree with the banned viewpoints, it would not save the Act. No government can "shut off discourse solely to protect others from hearing it." Instead, "in public debate we must tolerate insulting, and even outrageous, speech in order to provide adequate breathing space to the freedoms protected by the First Amendment."
{Florida also defends its law based on a "captive audience" theory, arguing that a government is allowed to prevent discriminatory speech thrust upon an unwilling viewer or listener. This too misses the mark. The captive audience argument has historically been entertained "only when the speaker intrudes on the privacy of the home or the degree of captivity makes it impractical for the unwilling viewer or auditor to avoid exposure." Outside of that context, the government cannot decide to ban speech that it dislikes because this would "effectively empower a majority to silence dissidents simply as a matter of personal predilections." It is no surprise that "the Supreme Court has never used a vulnerable listener/captive audience rationale to uphold speaker-focused and content-based restrictions on speech." Instead, it has recognized that "we are often captives outside the sanctuary of the home and subject to objectionable speech." }
Florida also suggests that the Act's restrictions are minor in the grand scheme of things, having only an incidental effect on speech because they limit just one way in which employers can convey their desired message. That assertion is no answer to the Act's constitutional flaws. The First Amendment "protects speech itself," and lawmakers "may no more silence unwanted speech by burdening its utterance than by censoring its content." The fact that other avenues of expression exist does not excuse the "constitutional problem posed by speech bans."
In a last-ditch effort, Florida ties its Act to Title VII. According to Florida, because the Individual Freedom Act, like Title VII, seeks to regulate discrimination, the two statutes rise and fall together—if one is unconstitutional, the other must be too. We disagree. Having similar asserted purposes does not make the two laws the same.
Title VII makes it unlawful for an employer to "discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin"; it never mentions speech or content to define discrimination. While that law may have an incidental effect on speech, it is not directed at it.
To be sure, there are valid concerns about how Title VII and the First Amendment could collide. See Saxe v. State Coll. Area Sch. Dist. (3d Cir. 2001) (Alito, J.); DeAngelis v. El Paso Mun. Police Officers Ass'n (5th Cir. 1995); Eugene Volokh, Comment, Freedom of Speech and Workplace Harassment, 39 UCLA L. Rev. 1791, 1793–98 (1992). For that reason, we exercise special caution when applying Title VII to matters involving traditionally protected areas of speech. See Yelling v. St. Vincent's Health Sys. (11th Cir. 2023) (Brasher, J., concurring).
None of this threatens our conclusion that Florida's law contains an illegal per se ban on speech the state disagrees with. Here, speech is not regulated incidentally as a means of restricting discriminatory conduct—restricting speech is the point of the law. That important distinction sets this Act apart from Title VII as an outright violation of the First Amendment.
No matter how hard Florida tries to get around it, "viewpoint discrimination is inherent in the design and structure of this Act." Given our "profound national commitment to the principle that debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust, and wide-open," the answer is clear: Florida's law exceeds the bounds of the First Amendment. No matter how controversial the ideas, allowing the government to set the terms of the debate is poison, not antidote….
Three years ago, we blocked local ordinances that attempted to circumvent the First Amendment's protections by characterizing a ban on disfavored speech as a regulation of conduct. [Those ordinances banned therapists from "engaging in counseling or any therapy with a goal of changing a minor's sexual orientation … [or] gender identity or expression." -EV] As we cautioned there, "if the plaintiffs' perspective is not allowed here, then the defendants' perspective can be banned elsewhere." Our tradition, and our law, demand a different answer—even for the most controversial topics….
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I think the court got it right. But also even if this was constitutional, it would be horrible policy. Florida won't issue an advisory opinion on if your material is okay, they'll just heavily fine you afterwards and make you pay attorney's fees. Censorship regimes always work with a little bit of enforcement and a lot of fear, causing private actors to rationally not even come close to the line. Good riddance to this statute. That being said, having been in meetings like this, they're not crimes-- but they certainly feel like they should be crimes. The grifters who make a living by going from company to company and being paid to give grievance presentations are parasites.
The court only got it right because Florida was stupid - what if they amended the law as the court suggested -- include the converse in each thing on the list. To be safe, maybe include an "or in any other way discuss" as well.
"The grifters who make a living by going from company to company and being paid..." Having sat through a few corporate seminars myself, why are people singling out DEI?
Florida can't engage in viewpoint-driven censorship. Only the Volokh Conspiracy can engage in viewpoint-driven censorship!
"I'm Arthur Kirkland. I purport to have legal training, but I don't know the difference between state action and a private party."
I have acknowledged expressly, repeatedly, and uniformly that the Volokh Conspiracy is entitled to engage in partisan, hypocritical, viewpoint-controlled censorship. Are you blind, afflicted by amnesia, or blinded by right-wing partisanship, clinger?
My nickel at this chuckaluck table is on mindless right-wing partisanship.
You have repeated, expressly, (indeed, ad nauseam) asserted that they are ‘permitted’ to do so till such time as their ‘betters’ put a stop to it.
It’s generally presented as a vague threat of some sort. You never back it up, though.
You also use the word ‘clinger’ a lot, which is ironic since you’re here all the time even though you seem to hate the people and the content. Then again, you’re just a mindless American moron who knows nothing of the world (and so can, probably sincerely, believe that his bullshit is progress, that his side has a future at all let alone will win some domestic culture war, etc).
"Different" looks funny because it uses the ligature ff instead of two copies of the letter f.
Uh-oh -- thanks, just tried to fix it.
Since this is a simulation of a printed page, technically you shoudn’t really fix it as there’s nothing wrong, nothing to be fixed. Fonts have definitions for character pairs on how far apart they should be.
Now if some enterprising programmer or stream text system tries to convert two f’s into one strange code double f character, assuming such exists, still no issue under the paper print model, but searches could be a problem because programmers are dopes who should not design products. They won’t think to search for the double f single character when two f’s are searched for. Because they are dopes. Who can program but cannot design products.
They did it with the letter “u” long before there were programmers.
Would a reading of "The Bell Curve" violate the law?
I'm failing to see, as a matter of constitutional law, companies can be forced to restrain viewpoints that can create a "hostile work environment" (which means a non-white heterosexual male gets his panties in a bunch about it), but can't be forced to restrain viewpoints that Florida finds offensive.
This is why “hostile work environment” is defined not as being exposed to any particular sort of speech, but as violating your employment agreement. If you didn’t agree to being mercilessly harassed as part of your employment contract / job description, then your employer can’t surprise you with that particular work requirement later on. (Presumably, if the hostile work environment is agreed to by the employee when taking the job, there’s nothing the state can do about it.)
Perhaps Florida should pass a law requiring companies to disclose their mandatory trainings to prospective employees. It’s still not a slam dunk, but that would be closer to what’s going on with hostile work environments.
Um, what? A hostile work environment is just a form of unlawful discrimination. You can't "agree to" being discriminated against. (Of course, if you don't complain then nothing will happen to the employer that does it, but if you do complain, then, "Well, you agreed to it" would not be a defense.)
"When we hired you for this sales position, we told you that we don't promote black people to manager, and you agreed to that."
No.
Discrimination in hiring, promotion, and pay is plainly conduct. Very different issue from hostile work environments.
A hostile work environment is discrimination in the terms and conditions of employment.
It would seem to be hostile, not (necessarily) discrimination, which would be a subset.
Well, if it's just hostile but not on the basis of any protected characteristic, then it would not be actionable discrimination, no. But the premise of this discussion is that the "woke" training in question is based on protected characteristics.
Suppose Florida had merely enacted a law that says mandatory training that takes the forbidden viewpoints constitutes hostile environment harassment in the workplace. After all, this is self evidently true. Would the court have upheld it then?
If it would not, then it must overturn the entire concept of hostile environment harassment. Or explain why it is giving the federal government labor-law powers it denies to state governments.
I think Florida could pass that law. But that's not the law they passed.
My instinct is that such a law would be unenforceable under Klein, or more generally separation of powers. The legislature can't dictate the borders of where 1A stops protecting speech and 14A enabling legislation starts kicking in.
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't trust the legislature of Florida more then a jury of my peers to determine whether something was a hostile workplace environment.
The solution to this is very simple — define being forced to attend any of those as prima facia evidence of a hostile work environment.
Or, better, say that “No employer may discharge, discipline, or otherwise discriminate against an employee for refusal to attend any (and reprint the list). Set up a discrimination commission similar to the one that deals with race or sex discrimination (MCAD in MA) and give it the same powers.
My guess is that with most employers, merely defining it as a "constructive discharge" under FL unemployment law would end it because any employee could then quit and collect unemployment because they were subjected to this. Employers wouldn't have them for that reason.
At least in MA you can’t discriminate against an employer for being pregnant and MCAD will be all over you if you do, FL is just defining another protected class.
"The solution to the courts saying that this violates the 1A is to do it anyway."
https://x.com/sfmnemonic/status/1504687870006620163?s=20
"Drawing Bayesian inferences after extensive sampling, I've determined that it's 99-percent certain that anyone who uses "woke" as pejorative will turn out to be a fuckhead. Please don't blame me for pointing this out--it's just science."
As long as you define "fuckhead" as a person who might vote with the right, and "science" as the use of sciency sounding words, it's 99 percent certain he's just a trash-mouthed Democrat talking shit on Twitter.
Mike Godwin himself'ed himself long ago.
I don't see how how this decision can be squared with decisions upholding other mandatory training. Either they are both allowed or they must both be forbidden.
Wait a second...
What's with the "whether they wish to hear it or not", if only mandatory meetings are prohibited? They're free to have nonmandatory meetings if they find people who wish to hear this.
There are other things the state wishes you not to say, and will allow lawsuits for dollars against the company if you do, so companies will hold mandatory meetings about offensive-to-the-state speech anyway.
Companies have mandatory meetings all the time.
It's not the job of the government to police the speech (and the viewpoints expressed) at those mandatory meetings by telling private actors what can and can't be said. Subject to other, general laws, that aren't viewpoint-specific.
These sorts of victories for the left are somewhat Pyretic; On the one hand they get, for a while, to continue their mini-reeducation camps, dishing out that parade of horribles.
But, on the other hand, they once again get publicly exposed defending the parade of horribles.
Pyrrhic
These sorts of victories for the left
Did you maybe miss the two Trump-appointed judges on this panel? This is a bog-standard First Amendment decision, not a "victory for the left."
So? Two Trump judges gave you a victory.
Not an entirely unmerited victory, of course. In principle, these sorts of employer/employee relations SHOULD be none of the government's business. Not if the employer is requiring employees to endure a racist rant against whites, or a racist rant against blacks. The Florida law bans both sorts.
I kinda doubt it would have turned out the same if the vile racial hatred were understood to be directed in the latter direction, though. Some animals ARE more equal than others.
Yes the woke mind virus folks who hates
woke but can’t define it?
Those are the ones with the long term winning position.
As opposed to the guy who promotes the country's subversion???
As opposed to the side that doesn't breed and needs millions of impoverished immigrants who'll constitute an underclass?
Go back to Russia.
I suspect that every person here who disagrees with the decision ro any extent will advocate for free speech in other contexts where it's their ox doing the goring.
‘No matter how hard Florida tries to get around it, “viewpoint discrimination is inherent in the design and structure of this Act.” Given our “profound national commitment to the principle that debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust, and wide-open,” the answer is clear:’
mandatory totalitarian ideology inculcation must continue.
Surely there's some irony in this...
There is irony in your comment, but you're not seeing it.
Of course there is, which is why I posted it.
Once again, we see the most common issue with the First Amendment.
"See, I love the FA when it protects the speech I like. But I think the government should totally go after the speech I don't like and that makes me feel bad."
Just looking at the people trying to twist themselves into pretzels above trying to cast this decision (by a right-wing panel) as some sort of "left-y" decision, or trying to figure out a way to censor speech they don't like (regardless of the FA) makes the principle abundantly clear.
The FA does not exist to protect speech you like and punish the speech you don't. It exists to keep the government from enacting laws abridging the speech of private actors. Your commitment to the FA only extends as far as you desire to protect the speech from state action that you really don't like, and that provokes, offends, or shocks ... YOU.
Including compulsory speech in a workplace, where people might not have the socioeconomic luxury of quitting, or refusing it, of rejecting it openly and publicly.
Again, the private actors' right prevents the state from regulating their speech so that they in turn can engage in a totalitarian project to regulate the thought and speech of people over whom they (often large, powerful organisations) have varies degrees of control.
Again, it's ironic.
Woosh.
People are allowed to say what they want, even if YOU consider it to be totalitarian. The state doesn’t get to tell private actors what to say, and what not to say.
That you happen to disagree with a viewpoint, no matter how you are trying to categorize it, doesn’t matter.
Let’s make it really basic. There are people that think that advocacy for Trump is part of a totalitarian project. So …
Or advocacy for the capitalist system.
Heck, there are people that think that anti-union speech is totalitarian.
I could keep going, but you probably get the idea. That you don’t like the speech doesn’t mean that you get to employ the government to censor and prohibit it. Outside of a few carefully proscribed categories with strong historical antecedents and a relatively new and uncontroversial one (you know, the child one), government doesn’t go around telling private actors that your viewpoint is allowable, and other viewpoints aren’t.
So yes, you comments are very ironic. But unintentionally so. You aren’t advocating for the FA, you are, in fact, emblematic of the lowest common denominator when it comes to protecting free speech- free speech on subjects I like, but the government boot stomping down to prohibit anything I don’t like.
Congratulations?
OK, you don't understand what irony is. I DON'T disagree with the court's conclusion here; it's clearly correct. It's nevertheless ironic to defend totalitarian speech control efforts via a free speech protection.
No, the idea that you think that this is "totalitarian," and premise your arguments on that, is what is ironic.
That many people find these views deeply troubling does not mean that by banning them Florida is targeting discrimination. ... "It is firmly settled that under our Constitution the public expression of ideas may not be prohibited merely because the ideas are themselves offensive to some of their hearers."
Again, just because you choose to call something "totalitarian" or "Nazi" or "libtarded" or however you characterize it just means that you disagree with the speech.
That you don't understand that this is exactly why we have the FA protection is why your comment is ironic. Just because you choose to label something which is 99.99% of the time, banal at worst (and/or a waste of time for most employees) as totalitarian doesn't make it so. And to the extent that it ever rises to the level of a hostile work environment or active discrimination ... well, we have laws against that that aren't speech and viewpoint specific.
This has been another in a series of simple explanations. You're welcome.
You're not around here so much anymore, so you may not realize you're talking to a bad faith poster.
Never mind Nieporent. He always accuses me of being a Putin supporter, even when it’s shown that he supports stances that help Putin and Xi undermine America.
‘No, the idea that you think that this is “totalitarian,” and premise your arguments on that, is what is ironic’.
Wrong: the woke compulsory training is what is totalitarian, policing thought and speech, presenting it as being a neutral floor of basic civility when it’s entirely political and contestable.
I completely understand why America has 1A FA protection and why the state couldn’t prohibit the programming/speech in question with this particularly flawed legislation. So, what’s now ADDITIONALLY ironic is that you didn’t get my point at all and that it is your own ‘simple explanation’ which itself completely missed the mark.
Again, you don’t understand what irony is. Perhaps you should try to learn what it is.
Bye, Felicia!
Also from Florida's Republican dumbasses: Measles.
Turns out right-wing health officials are just as disgusting and antisocial as right-wing law professors.
Do you know how much TB you're bringing into America by dumping the third world into it, AIDS?
Apparently in Florida, corporations are persons who have a right to speak, except when we disagree with what they have to say.
The worst part isn’t the string of facially unconstitutional laws DeSantis signed in pursuit of the presidency. It’s that he signed a string of unconstitutional laws in pursuit of the presidency and barely made it to January before the election.
While I agree with what you're saying, I'd add two other "worst" parts-
1. That so many people here (and elsewhere) will bend over* to try and defend the various actions of DeSantis, not because they love (or understand) the Constitution, but just because it "owns the libs" or something.
2. That if Florida was in the 5th Circuit, the laws would probably be upheld, pending SCOTUS review. The 11th Circuit is super conservative, but not crazy.
*I would say bend over backwards, but really ... they're just bending over.
Okay, but the governement is actually forcing just that in many cases. Even the ACLU went lower in the slime
BATON ROUGE—Today, the Louisiana Legislature passed a map that creates a second majority-Black congressional district after being granted a final opportunity to pass a map before a federal court trial.
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So now by law If I am a Black, gay, Republican,Catholic , PRo-gun, anti-abortion person, the law has decided that I think the only thing about me that I care about is that I am black. At some point of course there will be a legal definition of Black and I might have to fight that. But whitie says I want my own legislative district.
To the folk trying to claim that this kind of mandatory training creates a hostile workplace...
If you're right, sue. Find out if twelve of your peers agree.