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The First Amendment Right to Affirmative Action
How private universities can use Boy Scouts v. Dale to get out from under Students for Fair Admissions
I have a new draft up on SSRN, called The First Amendment Right to Affirmative Action. I'd appreciate constructive comments from anyone who's interested!
Here's the abstract:
In the wake of Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President & Fellows of Harvard College, affirmative-action proponents should pursue a First Amendment approach. Private universities, which are speaking associations that express themselves through the collective speech of faculty and students, may be able to assert an expressive-association right, based on Boy Scouts of America v. Dale, to choose their faculty and students. This theory has been recently strengthened by 303 Creative LLC v. Elenis.
I discuss various complexities and counterarguments: (1) Race is not different than sex or sexual orientation for purposes of the doctrine. (2) The market context may not matter, especially after 303 Creative. (3) The conditional-federal-funding context does give the government more power than a simple regulatory context: the government will still be able to induce race-neutrality by the threat of withdrawing federal funds. But the unconstitutional conditions doctrine precludes draconian penalties like withdrawing all funds from the entire institution based only on affirmative action in some units. (4) This theory doesn't apply to public institutions.
I also explore the potential flexibilities of this theory, based on recent litigation. The scope of the Boy Scouts exception might vary based on (1) what counts as substantial interference with expressive organizations, (2) what counts as a compelling governmental interest, and (3) most importantly, what it takes for activity to be expressive. Because the test for expressiveness relies largely on social expectations about what particular actions "mean," there is some chance that behavior beyond the university context—like affirmative action in charitable donations—might be brought within the Boy Scouts exception.
Here's the introduction:
June is always a big month for Supreme Court watchers, but the last two days of June 2023 were more interesting than usual for constitutional and civil-rights law. In one case, the Court made race-conscious affirmative action—which had long been only grudgingly accepted—even more difficult. But the decision in another case paves the way for an argument that private universities actually have a strong First Amendment-based right to engage in affirmative action.
On June 29, 2023, the Supreme Court decided Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President & Fellows of Harvard College, cutting back on the legality of race-conscious affirmative action in universities, and all but overruling Grutter v. Bollinger. This was both a statutory and a constitutional opinion: all universities that accept federal funds are governed by Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964; public universities are also governed by the Equal Protection Clause. But the two have been interpreted to impose identical standards, so the distinction didn't make much practical difference.
The very next day, the Court decided 303 Creative LLC v. Elenis. Lorie Smith, a website designer, decided to enter the wedding-website business; she didn't want to create websites promoting gay weddings or otherwise contradicting her beliefs; but that would open her up to prosecution under the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act. The Supreme Court held that the statute couldn't be applied to force her to create websites she disagreed with. A website is just words and images—"pure speech." If the state made Smith create a website for a gay marriage—just because she was willing to create one for a straight marriage—that would be compelled speech, which would violate her First Amendment rights.
These two lines of doctrine don't usually talk to each other, but they should—especially now.
Suppose you're a private-university president who wants to have affirmative action for faculty hiring or student admissions (or both). You've tried to fit your program within the confines of Grutter. You've steered clear of impermissible interests like racial balancing or remedying societal discrimination, avoided illegal methods like quotas or inappropriately numerical targets, and stuck to approved interests like the value of diversity. Now, on June 29, your general counsel has said such efforts should be curtailed or abandoned. After sleeping on it—you sleep late the next morning, so you don't wake up until after the Supreme Court has released its opinions—is there anything you can do on June 30?
Yes, there is.
Lorie Smith's websites were pure speech. But so is virtually all your university's activity. Everything significant that universities do—lectures, homework, exam-taking, paper writing—boils down to talking and writing. That includes the all-important transcript and diploma, which are just the university speaking to certify what the student has accomplished. If this isn't pure speech, what is?
You think back to an older case: Boy Scouts of America v. Dale, where the Supreme Court upheld the Boy Scouts' exclusion of a gay assistant scoutmaster even though this violated an antidiscrimination statute. The Boy Scouts engaged in expression, part of which included a position against homosexuality. Given this position, forcing the organization to accept a gay person in a leadership position "would, at the very least, force [it] to send a message, both to the youth members and the world, that [it] accepts homosexual conduct as a legitimate form of behavior."
Boy Scouts built on a previous case—the unanimously decided Hurley v. Irish-American Gay, Lesbian & Bisexual Group of Boston, which upheld the right of parade organizers to exclude an LGBT Irish-American organization from the parade even though this violated an antidiscrimination statute. The state courts interpreted this as an exclusion of LGBT people, but the Court recognized that this was an attempt to alter the parade organizers' message. Organizations have the right to choose their message, and sometimes the speaker's identity is the message. This is why you can limit yourself to actors of color for Hamilton or cisgender female contestants for a beauty pageant.
The First Amendment includes a right of "expressive association": people have the right to group together to express their views. But freedom of speech implies a right against compelled speech: the right to speak includes the right to choose what to say, i.e., the right not to say certain things. In the expressive-association context: the right to speak in groups includes the right to choose whom to speak with, i.e., the right to choose whom not to associate with in speaking. We can call this principle—the marriage of the expressive-association right with the right against compelled speech—the principle of "expressive discrimination."
What does this mean for your university's affirmative-action programs? Your university is a speaking organization, whose "message" may include teachings about diversity. The university speaks through its administration, but also through its entire scholarly community, which includes faculty and students (perhaps also some staff). Using an antidiscrimination law like Title VI or 42 U.S.C. § 1981 to force the university to speak through people not of its choosing—which could mean a faculty and student body that don't match the university's notions of diversity—could impede the university's ability to speak. The university's expressive-association right can include the ability to take race into account to create a university community with the desired amount or type of diversity.
Previously, one could have argued that the Boy Scouts expressive-discrimination principle was limited to noncommercial, volunteer organizations like parades and the Boy Scouts, and wouldn't protect the discrimination in contracting required for affirmative action for faculty and students. But this is where 303 Creative helps: the Court reaffirmed the right against compelled speech in an economic, for-profit context. Lorie Smith "offers her speech for pay and does so through . . . a company in which she is the sole member-owner. But none of that makes a difference."
The legal landscape on June 30 is thus more promising than it was on June 29. You can assert an expressive-association right to choose your faculty and students, because those are the speakers in your pure-speech organization. And this right can trump mere statutory antidiscrimination policies.
And just in time! The day before yesterday, you could simply rely on your affirmative-action programs' legality. You've never before needed a constitutional theory that would let you ignore the statutes, but now you do. The expressive-association theory can give you what you need, and more: if this works, not only can you go back to running your previous programs, but now you can run any affirmative-action program you like, even one that would have been illegal under Grutter. If you like, you can use quotas and pursue outright racial balancing or try to remedy societal discrimination, rather than be limited to the single rationale of the educational benefits of diversity. If the government can't force the Boy Scouts to have a gay assistant scoutmaster or force Lorie Smith to design a pro-gay-marriage website, what right does it have to tell your university what speakers to choose?
If only Harvard's lawyers had argued this First Amendment theory. This should be the next frontier in private-university affirmative-action litigation—or the basis of a private university's defense next time it gets sued.
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Part II of this Article presents this theory and explores some of its complexities.
The Supreme Court has never endorsed a strong form of expressive-association rights, whereby restrictions on an expressive organization's ability to choose its members is a per se burden. Antidiscrimination cases like Bob Jones University v. United States or Roberts v. United States Jaycees are still good law. Your expressive-association claim will thus look better if your facts look a lot like those in Boy Scouts. But then you have a problem. The assistant scoutmaster was an authority figure who spoke on behalf of the organization and was expected to inculcate the organization's values. Many universities aren't like that—at least not with respect to faculty and students—because they have strong faculty- and student-based academic-freedom and free-speech norms.
The universities that are the best fit for an expressive-association theory are those that expect or require faculty and students to promote university values, which might require weakening academic-freedom and free-speech norms. Other universities might be able to use the theory, but it won't be as good a fit, so the result will be harder to predict.
Part III addresses various follow-on questions:
- Does the racial angle matter, given that the other cases arose in the context of sexual-orientation discrimination? (The cases don't support treating these different types of discrimination differently.)
- Does the market angle matter, since the other cases arose in the context of volunteer activity? (303 Creative suggests it doesn't.)
- What about laws like Title VI, which don't regulate universities outright but merely impose conditions on recipients of federal money—bringing into play the looser constraints of the unconstitutional conditions doctrine? (This is the greatest hurdle. But the unconstitutional conditions doctrine bars pulling funding from the entire university based on discrimination by any single unit.)
- Could public institutions use this theory too? (No.)
Part IV asks how far this theory can go. Based on recent litigation, I identify three flexibilities in the doctrine, which help us understand what doctrinal movement is plausible.
- One is what it takes to make a substantial burden on an association's expression.
- Another is what governmental interests can be characterized as "compelling," so as to overcome the expressive-association right under strict scrutiny.
- But the biggest question is what activities are characterized as "expressive." That's a threshold issue—if action isn't expressive, First Amendment analysis isn't even relevant. You can't unilaterally make nonexpressive conduct, like tax avoidance, expressive by talking about it or claiming civil disobedience. This preserves the core of antidiscrimination law in the vast majority of cases, even for expressive associations. But some activities, like flag burning or parades, are inherently expressive. The test has to do with social expectations and how particular conduct is likely to be perceived. This is flexible, and different attitudes on the part of courts can lead to different results. One example is the status of donations: does it violate antidiscrimination law to run a program that donates to organizations defined by race or religion? This is a live issue in litigation, and resolving this question might require putting more rigor into the fuzzy category of "inherently expressive" activities.
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The key takeaway, though, is that—at least in private education, and possibly more broadly—the First Amendment expressive-association theory is potentially liberating for affirmative action. The expressive-association cases have been criticized as giving a free pass to racists, sexists, and homophobes. But affirmative action can dwarf all that. For decades, affirmative action has tried to fit into the constraining framework of Equal Protection/Title VI—satisfying neither affirmative-action opponents who advocate colorblindness, nor proponents who would prefer programs forthrightly grounded in reparation for past injustices or remedying current inequalities. Now that Equal Protection/Title VI doctrine has come down strongly for colorblindness, the First Amendment theory has the potential (at least in some private universities) to convert affirmative action from a grudgingly allowed concession to a strongly protected right.
(Longtime followers of the work of Volokh Conspirators might remember having read David Bernstein's work on the subject way back in 2001. But, as far as I can tell, nobody has seriously argued this in about 20 years! More recent cases like Rumsfeld v. FAIR tell us more about how to define creative expression; brand-new cases like 303 Creative strengthen the doctrine on compelled speech and make clearer that it applies even in a market context; and, of course, Students for Fair Admissions makes the issue much more urgent.)
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The obvious problem with these arguments that the first amendment allows discrimination based on race, is that it encourages discrimination based on race. Activists and courts may intend to use 303 Creative and First Amendment expressive-association theory with the intent that it be “liberating for affirmative action,” but the same theory can just as effectively be used by racists (i.e. Bob Jones University) in support of less benign racial discrimination. In other words, the First Amendment does not and cannot distinguish between “good” racial discrimination and evil racial discrimination. You open the door for one, you open it up for both.
Isn't that the whole point of the article? Except that the "both" that are let in are sexual-orientation discrimination and racial discrimination. Opening the door for the first, theorizes Prof. Volokh, also opens it for the second.
But one was made illegal in 1964 while merely being the other was criminal in 1964.
"But one was made illegal in 1964 while merely being the other was criminal in 1964."
WTF?? Racial discrimination in places of public accommodation was made civilly actionable in 1964. What do you mean, however, that "merely being the other was criminal in 1964"? What criminal statute(s) do you refer to? And being the other what do you mean?
Sounds like he's talking about being gay.
IANAL, but isn't this "expressive-association" just some kind of back-door way of rediscovering freedom of association?
Yes, but ideally denied to most businesses and organizations, for reasons.
Yes, and that's a good thing. Ultimately the rights of property and freedom of contract, as well as association, apply to all private persons, and therefore laws limiting discrimination by private persons have always been illegitimate. The only good side of having them is that discrimination becomes a serious problem when overregulation or licensing causes some ordinary line of business to be practically impossible to enter, thereby giving its incumbents effective monopoly power which they can misuse in a way that a free market would prevent.
Fine -- NO MORE FEDERAL MONEY!!!
Hillsdale & Grove City can function without it but other places can't.
There is no such thing as "good" racial discrimination, and the Bob Jones case already established that there's no 1st Amendment right to it
You aren’t going to make the admission of any particular student into a university an “expressive” activity. No one would ever construe such an act to be any sort of discernable message. Neither are students “speakers” akin to a web designer or a scout master.
They are discriminating against the person, not the message, whatever that means.
And "We don't want this lgbtq or race because...they might open their mouth" seems like an odd thing to say.
The web designer and cake things are straight forward, agree with them or not. This would be more akin to the web site designer denying lgbtq because the web site might have a wedding wishes box that visitors might fill out with gay-positive statements.
If you're talking about the scout master, he was a gay rights activist working for an organization that said homosexuality was sinful, in a capacity where he was expected to deliver that message. Forcing the scouts to employ him was an actual burden on their expressive association.
Agreed. This would be similar to the baker saying "we also won't even sell a cake to a gay person (for something other than a gay wedding)". Which the baker very clearly expressly said they were happy to do.
Way too complicated.
Make affirmative action for blacks government policy.
Point to West Point and leave it at that.
Way too complicated.
Make all tax funded institutions color blind, as the 14th requires, without exception.
I suspect the federal funding argument is fatal here, that the feds can condition this money on any basis that is not itself unconstitutional and the school would have to abide. There are schools willing to make that choice now but they are few and far between. I also suspect Students for Fair Admission has not changed that.
That was my first thought. Unless you go full Hillsdale (which is already a thing), you can't avoid the conditions attached by government funding. The federal government can't waive the equal protection clause. (Yes, yes, I realize the clause text only applies it to the states, but people also think the president not being an officer is nonsensical so...)
I don't see how you could allow universities to discriminate and yet maintain the housing/discrimination prohibitions also based on "free speech". Because unlike website publishing or artistic expression, college admissions (or employment/landlording) is not "speech".
Seems a silly argument, sophistry.
Yes, and I forgot (thank you ReaderY), this has already been litigated. So obvious, it eluded me wondering why a 1A exception this is only being thought of now. Because it already has been thought of and defeated.
What we really need is for the Court to just read the 14th amendment: "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Is a private college, or any private institution, a "state"?
That disposes of any claim of a power to outlaw affirmative action based on the 14th amendment. The commerce clause argument is actually weaker, but, Wickard: The Court really doesn't care.
States, of course, have the general police power that the federal government lacks, and barring some constitutional obstacle, could ban affirmative action anyway. No need for bad readings of the 14th amendment or commerce clause.
Well, I can't say I'd object to the death of public accommodation laws, though the excuse seems strained. While I have little use for people who'd racially discriminate, they offend my libertarian sense of the proper reach of government.
But I do wonder why you're so interested to find an excuse for preserving racial discrimination.
I already mentioned public accommodation laws in my other post, but one would have to really twist yourself up into a pretzel to allow them to continue if someone created a speech/association exception for college admission preferences. Not the actual renting/hiring decision, but why couldn’t an landlord/employer express their views that they prefer (or not) certain racial groups to avoid wasting everyone’s time? I know the answer to that. I don’t know why colleges should be able to assert a First Amendment right (having already had their diversity is educationally valuable argument shot down).
That is what the DEI enterprise wants. With the initially embarrassing Google Gemini rollout (how could they not notice?), internet scuttlebutt (so its credibility is questionable) says in the last day or so Google and/or Microsoft have internal promotion racial quotas, but everybody is too terrified (or sympathetic) to acknowledge/blow the whistle. Certainly that could just be a useful lie from partisans, because the legal exposure to recording yet concealing that in practice is astronomical, but it would make sense given the “unrepresentative” demographics of tech and the recent DEI push.
"but one would have to really twist yourself up into a pretzel to allow them to continue if someone created a speech/association exception for college admission preferences. "
Academics think academia is special. They really do.
The entire notion that society embraces non-governmental, special institutional entities with legitimate power to set social norms is centuries old. It used to be called Burkean conservatism.
If I had a button I could push to replace today's movement conservatism with Burkean conservatism, it would not take a long moment to decide the question. Movement conservatism would disappear like a blown light bulb. And the only people who would miss it would be scammers, grifters, and their stupidest victims.
This IS another example of my thesis: That people are desperate to shoe horn every rights claim into the 1st amendment, because it's the only one of the Amendments the Court approaches real strict scrutiny on.
It seems like a fairly poor illustration, since the litigants didn’t advance a first amendment theory at all, and until the supreme court’s decision last year were quite successful with the other arguments that they did make.
IOW, decisions cheered by the Right turn out to provide opportunities for the Left.
The relevant case here is "Bob Jones".
So, once again you leftists have it backwards
Thee problem with this argument is Bob Jones University v. United States. The Supreme Court held that eradicating racial discrimination in particular, unlike any other kind of discrimination, represents a compelling interest that outweighs a university’s First Amendment right to organize itself in a manner consistent with its message.
That is, race IS diffferent. The Supreme Court has consistently so held.
So that was a freedom of religion case, not a free speech case. I think the better question is whether the government can compel the KKK to admit non-white members.
Only if the KKK starts getting gov't funding
The argument here that good [allegedly] racial discrimination is different. I don't see the S/C buying that, nor should they.
"The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race." comes to mind.
Similarly, the way to stop discrimination against gays, transgender people, women, Blacks, and others is to stop discrimination against gays, transgender people, women, Blacks, and others . . . and to stop pretending that superstition improves bigotry or that religion transforms disgusting, old-timey bigotry into anything other than disgusting, old-timey bigotry.
This is an issue several factors -- including more American progress, the replacement of our vestigial bigots in the natural course, and the fading of religious influence in modern America -- will continue to solve.
Bob Jones argued that their racial discrimination (expelling students who practiced or espoused interracial dating or marriage) was protected by the First Amendment free exercise clause, not free speech or association. They claimed a sincerely held belief that mixing of the races was Biblically prohibited, but the Supreme Court held that the elimination of discrimination was an overriding government priority that prevailed over religious freedom.
For what it's worth Volokh concedes that Bob Jones is still good law, and concludes that the result in a particular case will depend on whether its facts more closely resemble Bob Jones or Boy Scouts.
Then Volokh is a moron, rather than just a liar.
Because "Bob Jones" was about an educational institution and its polices", and Dale and 303 Creative were about "what are the rules weh dealing with a single individual?"
Dale says "you can't be forced to hire someone who will violate your rules". 303 Creative say s"you can't be forced to speak a message you disagree with."
Bob Jones says "you can't treat people differently based on their skin color."
Only a dishonest and worthless piece of sh!t fails to grasp that having different admissions standards for people based on the color of their skin therefore violates the "Bob Jones" ruling.
Other people can be such a mirror to our souls, can’t they? We can’t directly see inside ourselves to know what we are actually like inside. We can only see what we project onto the world around us.
It's been a while since i've read the case, but wasn't the holding of Bob Jones not that the government can force a school to be less racist, but that the government can deny tax exemptions if it doesn't?
Deny it tax exemptions, student loans, research grants, ....
IIUC, Title VI should apply here.
https://www.justice.gov/crt/fcs/TitleVI
Title VI, 42 U.S.C. § 2000d et seq., was enacted as part of the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964. It prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, and national origin in programs and activities receiving federal financial assistance. As President John F. Kennedy said in 1963:
Simple justice requires that public funds, to which all taxpayers of all races [colors, and national origins] contribute, not be spent in any fashion which encourages, entrenches, subsidizes or results in racial [color or national origin] discrimination.
If a recipient of federal assistance is found to have discriminated and voluntary compliance cannot be achieved, the federal agency providing the assistance should either initiate fund termination proceedings or refer the matter to the Department of Justice for appropriate legal action. Aggrieved individuals may file administrative complaints with the federal agency that provides funds to a recipient, or the individuals may file suit for appropriate relief in federal court. Title VI itself prohibits intentional discrimination.
And of, course, that’s all government does under Title IX. Congress used the Spending Clause as its basis because it doubted it had the power to directly regulate education under the Commerce Clause. So the only coercive tool government has is to withhold funding, exactly as in Bob Jones.
And if Bob Jones University v. United States were heard (for the first time) today, do you think it would have the same outcome?
Seems to me that a SCOTUS that will allow folks to violate non-discrimination law in the name of religion (303, Masterpiece Cakeshop), that will balk at a government contract saying "you have to follow this non-discrimination policy" (Catholic charities in Philadelphia), and cheerfully say "that's all in the past, we don't need to worry about this anymore" (Voting Rights Act cases), may very well refute a federal government that tries to deny public funding over a racist dating policy.
Simply put, the current 2020s SCOTUS is much more hostile to a government that seeks to withhold funds over discrimination then the 1980s SCOTUS was.
Chief Justice Roberts for one clearly distinguished in some of his past opinions between racial discrimination and kinds of discrimination not subject to strict scrutiny.
Try, a SCOTUS that won't allow the government to violate religious liberty in the name of non-discrimination law. That's the other way of looking at it.
Good lord. Welcome to this week's edition of Try This One Weird Trick the Supreme Court Hates!
I have no problem with private universities doing almost anything they want. If someone wants to start Bull Connor University committed to the notion of white supremacy, so be it. As a citizen, I would object to BCU students receiving any kind of public subsidies such as student loans or scholarships. I would also object to BCU faculty receiving any research or other government grants. If BCU formally states a commitment to nondiscrimination it can be sued for violating it.
You are not completely private if you are funded with federally ensured student loans.
And federal research grants - - - - - - -
Bull Connor was a DemoKKKrat BTW, and if you like being able to call 911 he was the one behind the first functioning 911 system in Hayleyville AL in 1968
If Harvard uses its 1st Amendment right to choose its student body, does Harvard not put all federal grants at risk under Title VI of the CRA?
I believe that is correct as a matter of law, and correct as a matter of "right and wrong."
I think the government funding issue is the biggest one. A private university with no public funding at all might be able to choose its student body based on race based on first amendment grounds. But a prohibition on discrimination based on those receiving government funding is not a particularly unreasonable condition. I don't think race should logically be treated differently than sexual orientation. Otherwise, the KKK could be forced to include black members, which doesn't make a ton of sense.
Now Title VI could theoretically be amended to allow for affirmative action, which is a different situation.
Leftists who suddenly discover the value of individual rights when they are on the back foot are going to find it frustratingly difficult to catch up to the accepted modes of speaking about and thinking about those rights. It may even seem like anti-leftist bias in the law to them, after some time. Shame.
BSA v Dale did not turn out well for BSA. They won the case but lost members and, more importantly, chartering organizations in droves because they had to go so public with their discriminatory practices.
Like academic affirmative action policies, BSA's policy on homosexuals held an internal contradiction. BSA argued that their policy was inherent to their speech on the core value of reverence. While some religions had (and still have) strong opinions about homosexuality, BSA's own definition of reverence includes a requirement to be tolerant of others - including religions that do not disfavor homosexuality. That inconsistency is what drove people away. Similarly, affirmative action policies claim that the fix to discrimination is more discrimination. Normal people know that that's just inherently wrong. You do not fix oppression by merely swapping who is being oppressed.
The article mentions but I think does not adequately weight the difficulties of their proposed approach. BSA was an entirely private organization. This "solution" is completely unavailable to public schools and likely unavailable to essentially all private universities due to the 'public funding' connection.
But if you really want to be a bigot, feel free to turn down all government funding and do whatever you like. RAK is always ranting about conservative schools who make that choice. Liberal schools are entitled to do the same.
The BSA was ALWAYS open about the fact that they didn't want to let homosexuals become "Scout Masters" so they could take boys off into private places and molest them.
As is pretty much always the case with leftists, your "history" is dishonest
That is not in fact what they argued, either in court or in communications to those of us in the program. If they had tried to make that argument, they would have run full-tilt into the fact that there is no link between homosexuality and pedophilia.
But yes, some bigots still believe that.
Yeah, but it certainly ignores the problem that was eventually outed in the scouts with sexual abuse.
Whether or not gay men are more likely to prey on children, preventing sexual abuse of scouts was certainly was a valid concern. And whether or not gay men are or are not likely to be pedophiles, I don’t think its particularly controversial that gay men would be more likely to target boys than straight men. Just as the Bluebirds and Girl scouts might be adverse to allowing men unsupervised access to young girls.
BSA vs GSA yearly membership
So, yeah, they did drop after Dale, but so did the Girl Scouts, and it was just a continuation of a downward trend that had already been going on for decades. And, back in 2015 they caved on the question, and it didn't help them even a little.
As should be expected, because,
1) Gays are a fairly small percentage of the population.
and,
2) They're a much smaller percentage of parents.
It's clever, but I don't think it works. The Boy Scouts argued that one of its messages was that being gay was bad, and therefore it could not have any openly gay officials, as having even one would contradict that message. But a school's message being "diversity is good" would not justify the admission or exclusion of any specific applicant.
Since we've spoken about this in the past, I'd like to point out to you, David, that the bigoted petitioner in the 303 Creative case still does not offer wedding websites.
Watch it . . . this blog's operators and fans do not like it when people point out that they are bigots.
America's vestigial bigots stopped wishing to be known as bigots roughly 10 to 20 years ago. They now prefer to hide behind euphemisms ("traditional values," "conservative values," "religious values," "family values," etc.) and to pretend, in particular, that a claim rooted in superstition somehow improves bigotry or transforms bigotry into something other than bigotry.
I blame the victors in the modern American culture war.
I also caution you that people have been censored at this blog for calling a bigot a bigot.
It's true: she does not seem to have updated her company website at all in at least a year, if not longer.
Like Sleepy/Parkinsonian Joe said in 2020, when he wasn't quite as Sleepy and Parkinsonian as he is today
"Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.”
and as the Reverend Jerry Sandusky-Kirtland tells us ad-nauseum, most of the poor peoples today are slack-jawed meth heads in "Red" States
Frank
Here's a thought, Sasha: why don't you just stop being a scumbag racist pig?
He's a product of his environment: the American University System.
Thanks for the off-the-grid, on-the-spectrum, right-wing perspective of a Ted Kaczynski fan holed up far from civilization in his hermit shack.
I'm curious Rev., do you have any autistic people in your congregation? Do they know you spend your free time bashing them in the comments of legal blogs?
I imagine people of good will dislike antisocial, disaffected, belligerently ignorant, delusional bigots as much as I do.
I sense autism explains a remarkable volume of this blog's content. What do you think?
An apt subject of discussion at a blog operated by a group of affirmative action hires.
The simple fact that in neither the Boy Scouts of America 303 Creative LLC are recipients of federal funds, or at least nobody brought up receipt of federal funds in those cases.
Really how is Harvard different from the lunch counter at Woolworths in Selma?
Does anybody know the name this guy uses at the Volokh Conspiracy?
Is he a Conspirator or just a fan?
Thank you.
The compairson to Lorie Smith was inapt, since she stated, and the state conceded, that she would not design a web site to promote a same-sex wedding even if the paying client was a heterosexual, while perfectly willing to create a web site to promote an opposite-sex wedding even if the paying client was a homosexual.
The most important point is that she's a worthless, obsolete, deplorable bigot.
And, I would expect to observe, a conservative Republican who is superstitious and poorly educated.