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Second Amendment Roundup: D.C.'s Magazine Ban Argued Again in D.C. Circuit
It was déjà vu, but this time post-Bruen.
The District of Columbia's ban on firearm magazines that hold over ten rounds was the subject of oral argument in the D.C. Circuit on February 13. The case is Hanson v. District of Columbia, and the appeal concerns the district court's denial of a preliminary injunction against enforcement of the ban. The circuit panel included Judges Patricia Millett ('13) and Justin Walker ('20), and Senior Judge Douglas Ginsburg ('86).
The argument should have turned on one, and only one, question: are the banned magazines commonly possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes? As Professor Mark W. Smith has explained, under District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) and N.Y. State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n v. Bruen (2022), that is the only relevant question in an arms ban case. See Smith, "What Part of 'In Common Use' Don't You Understand?" Harvard JLPP (2023). That is because the common use test is the product of the text first and then history approach the Supreme Court has applied in this context. In Heller, the Court examined the Second Amendment's language to determine that as a matter of plain text "arms" includes (but is not limited to) all firearms. It then examined history to determine that only dangerous and unusual firearms can be banned. It follows that citizens have a fundamental right to possess firearms that are in common use today, because if they are in common use, they cannot be "dangerous and unusual."
The answer to the common use question in this case is a resounding and unequivocal yes — there are hundreds of millions such magazines lawfully owned for lawful purposes by Americans today. By any measure, that's common possession. To be sure, magazines are not themselves firearms, but they are key components of all modern semiautomatic firearms, as they are the part of the firearm that holds and feeds the ammunition. And the practical effect of the magazine ban is to prohibit an entire category of firearms; i.e., firearms that are capable of firing more than 11 rounds (one in the chamber, 10 in the magazine) without reloading.
Instead, the oral argument was a bit of déjà vu all over again. In Heller, the Supreme Court held that firearms "in common use" for "lawful purposes like self-defense" may not be banned. After Heller, I was part of a team challenging D.C.'s ban on such magazines (as well as on semiautomatic rifles) in a case that came to be known as Heller II. In the D.C. Circuit, oral argument was conducted before Judge Douglas Ginsburg (yes, the same Judge Ginsburg) together with then-Judge Brett Kavanaugh and Judge Karen Henderson.
In a 2-1 opinion in Heller II (2011), Judge Ginsburg conceded that the subject magazines are in common use, but upheld the ban based on an interest-balancing, intermediate scrutiny analysis, despite Heller's express rejection of interest-balancing. That was the first opinion to uphold a magazine ban following Heller. As I've shown elsewhere, most other appellate courts deciding such cases copied Heller II's approach, despite that approach being contrary to Heller. Indeed, then-Judge Kavanaugh dissented in Heller II to explain that the intermediate-scrutiny approach adopted by the court could not be squared with Heller.
Justice Kavanaugh's Heller II dissent was vindicated by the Supreme Court in Bruen, which made clear that Heller had rejected any levels of scrutiny analyses in Second Amendment cases. Bruen reiterated that the Second Amendment protects arms that are "in common use," as opposed to those that "are highly unusual in society at large." In doing so, the Court cited favorably to Justice Kavanaugh's Heller II dissent several times.
That's the context in which oral argument in Hanson was held. With intermediate scrutiny eliminated, the outcome of the case should be straightforward—the banned magazines are in common use for lawful purposes, and therefore they cannot be banned. While Judges Millett and Ginsburg asked several questions that appeared to challenge this result, it is inescapable under a proper application of Heller.
Plaintiffs' lawyer Edward Wenger was first up. Right away, Judge Millett jumped in with the observation that Bruen did away with intermediate scrutiny, but common use remained an issue. Was the court's observation in Heller II that magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds are in common use binding on the court now? The answer is yes—Bruen did nothing to undermine a holding that the banned magazines are in common use. Regardless, those magazines have only gotten even more numerous since Heller II was decided over a decade ago, so whether that aspect of the decision is binding is of little import.
Judge Ginsburg pointed out that while the court in Heller II stated that the banned magazines are in common use, it reserved decision on whether those magazines are commonly used for lawful purposes. While that technically is true, it ultimately does not matter. The government cannot prove that the tens of millions of Americans who own these magazines are criminals who possess them for unlawful purposes. The leading survey we have on use of magazines capable of holding more than ten rounds is the 2021 National Firearms Survey by Professor William English of Georgetown University. That survey found that approximately 39 million Americans have owned as many as 551 million magazines capable of holding over 10 rounds of ammunition. And they own them for a variety of lawful purposes, including recreational target shooting (64.3%), home defense (62.4%), hunting (47.0%), defense outside the home (41.7%), and competitive shooting sports (27.2%).
Judge Millett asked if "there's some level of magazine that could be prohibited as not in common use or not in common use for self-defense." (Again, "for self-defense" is not included in the test under Heller.) While theoretically that could be true, any such level would be well north of D.C.'s limit of 10 rounds. Again, tens of millions of Americans have owned hundreds of millions of these magazines.
Responding to the correct assertion that D.C. bears the burden under Bruen to show that the banned magazines are not in common use, Judge Millett commented that it is the plaintiffs who wish to change the status quo and that doing so would inflict irreparable harm on the District. It is true that the plaintiffs are challenging the status quo, but under Bruen the District has the burden to show that its law is consistent with the Second Amendment. And since it is not, there is no harm to the District from being precluded from enforcing an unconstitutional law. Instead, the irreparable harm in the case is being inflicted on the plaintiffs and the other residents of the District of Columbia who are being deprived on their fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
In any event, there is no plausible scenario in which the tens of millions of Americans who have owned magazines that are banned by D.C. are predominantly criminals. Indeed, given that there are hundreds of millions of these magazines, it is clear that only the tiniest percentage of them will ever be used in crime. As Judge Walker commented, this line of questioning seems to promote "a dim view of the American public." It simply cannot be the case that the tens of millions of Americans who choose these magazines are not using them for lawful purposes.
Next up was Ashwin Phatak, counsel for the District. Phatak argued that because there are 700,000 registered machine guns in the United States, the common use inquiry "can't just be a numerosity analysis." But Phatak's numbers are too high, because according to ATF data there are only about 176,000 registered machine guns owned by civilians in the country. See Hollis v. Lynch (5th Cir. 2016). The remaining machine guns are owned by state and local law enforcement or by licensed firearm manufacturers. Regardless, whether the true number is 176,000 or 700,000, that is a far cry from the "500 million high-capacity magazines" cited by Judge Walker as a comparison.
Phatak looked for historical precedent in three states that during the Depression era restricted semiautomatic rifles with certain magazine capacities. Of course, as Judge Walker pointed out, per Bruen, "three is not enough." And even if it were 30 it wouldn't matter: the question under Heller is whether the banned magazines are in common use today, not 100 years ago.
Phatak hypothesized that "if the National Firearms Act had been passed in 1954," and "far more machine guns had circulated," the plaintiffs would be arguing Second Amendment protection through common use. But as Judge Walker explained, "If it's dangerous, unusual, we would expect our legislators to step in and ban them before they become dangerous and usual." And the flip side of that is that if the American people determine that an arm is valuable for lawful purposes, we would not expect bans to persist across the country over a substantial period of time.
Judge Millett attempted to come to the rescue: "Manufacturers put out higher magazines, I need a higher magazine. It's like, new iPhone comes out, I got to have a new iPhone, new magazine comes out, I got to have a new magazine." Same for machine guns and grenade launchers. Phatak's response: "I totally agree, Judge Millett."
But consumers don't buy types of weapons just because they are legal and available on the market. Machine guns were a commercial failure before being restricted in the NFA in 1934. Grenade launchers weren't restricted until the 1968 amendments to the NFA, under which they are still lawful on registration with ATF and payment of the $200 tax. How many consumers have them? And the reality that neither marketers nor advertising budgets can dictate to consumers is not limited to the marketplace for firearms. Our history is littered with failed consumer products, from the Ford Edsel to New Coke to Google Glass to countless Hollywood big budget busts.
Phatak rejected a standard of "what people feel they need," arguing that Heller looked at "the actual characteristics of handguns that make them useful for self-defense," such as "they can be held with one hand while you call the police." But the portion of Heller Phatak referenced here actually is devastating to his position. That is because immediately after discussing reasons why citizens may prefer handguns, Heller concluded that, "whatever the reason, handguns are the most popular weapon chosen by Americans for self-defense in the home, and a complete prohibition on their use is invalid." The focus of the Heller analysis is on what law-abiding Americans choose; judges and legislators are not authorized to second-guess those choices.
More softball questions from Judge Millett: "When did manufacturers start selling magazines over 10 with the semi-automatic handguns?" Phatak: Not "until at least the 1980s." Wrong – e.g., the Browning Hi-Power with its 13-round magazine was introduced commercially in 1935. And in any event, it does not matter – they are in common use for lawful purposes today.
Phatak referenced statistics showing that the average number of shots fired in self-defense is two, and argued that "nobody needs the firepower where they can fire 11 rounds." But again, what is appropriate for self-defense is for the American people to decide, and they have decided that more ammunition capacity is better. And in any event, the most frequent number of shots fired in defensive gun uses actually is zero, since typically only brandishing a gun is required to deter a criminal attack. Does that mean the government could limit citizens to guns that fire blanks? Of course not.
The bottom line is that once it is evident that an item is a bearable arm, the government has the burden to show that it is not in common use. If it cannot do so, the arm may not be banned. That's the Heller-Bruen rule for arms-ban cases.
Judge Ginsburg is a capable and experienced jurist. It was brought out clearly in Hanson that the common use test provided by Heller is straightforward and easy to apply. One hopes and expects that he will faithfully apply that test. But if we get another 2-1 déjà vu on D.C.'s magazine ban in Hanson, the Supreme Court ultimately will have to reverse Judge Ginsburg yet again.
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This is easily fixed.
Just ban them. Now those tens of millions of Americans are criminals, and using them is unlawful by definition.
Sorry, CA, MA, NJ, etc., beat you to it.
... and Illinois.
Now what do all those states have in common?
Plaintiffs' lawyer Edward Wenger argued that bans on large-capacity magazines and NFA firearms are constitutional. He was not the first "gun-rights" lawyer to argue in favor of bans on large-capacity magazines and bans on machine guns, and he won't be the last.
There's a whole generation of gun rights lawyers who are suffering from a kind of Stockholm syndrome, having learned their craft during a time when the judiciary were radically hostile to the 2nd amendment. They're having trouble internalizing that things have changed, and only part of the judiciary are still radically hostile to it.
Sadly, the parts of the judiciary that remain radically hostile to the 2nd Amendment are in the places that have the most gun control laws.
Well lawyers argue the case that they are given, and that's the case they are trying to win.
Lets face it the camels nose under the tent strategy, doesn't always work, but it certainly works some of the time. Look at the progression from Heller, to McDonald to Bruen. Should they have swung for the fences with Heller? Or would that have been too far for Kennedy to require shall issue concealed carry? That would have been quite a risk.
As it was the NRA thought Heller was too agressive, same with McDonald.
The argument should have turned on one, and only one, question: are the banned magazines commonly possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes?
Seems like we should be passing laws to make the purposes unlawful. Once that's done, we can ban the arms that are no longer in common use for a lawful purpose.
Now what if the purpose I own a gun with a 17 round magazine for the purpose of self defense and having it sitting in my nightstand until someone breaks into my house in the middle of the night?
How are you going to criminalize that lawful purpose.
There is clearly something off on your thought process when you think government can just wave a hand and criminalize a constitutional right such as self defense.
We don't need to criminalize self-defense, just armed self-defense.
In the end, all gun controllers want is for the legal system to act like there wasn't a 2nd amendment.
Randal 1 hour ago
We don’t need to criminalize self-defense, just armed self-defense.
Randal - that is inane - great self defense against someone armed
Clearly, this 65 year old woman should have just fought mano a mano with the 19 year old intruder who was choking the life out of her 73 year old partner.
Did you ever hear of Heller?
The one that said armed self defense is a key constitutional right?
You are sounding like a Hawaiian judge.
Not only that you are ignoring the fact that their are 27 states with constitutional carry, with a few more jumping on board every year.
That’s my point. Heller doesn’t make sense. Its logic is:
1. Self-defense is a constitutional right*
2. The militia clause is surplusage and/or outdated
3. With militias out of the picture, let’s just say that the RKBA applies to any lawful purpose
4. Self-defense is lawful, so armed self-defense is protected by the Second Amendment
The problem with that argument is that it proves way too much. It means carrying guns in airports is protected. Armed petitioning for the redress of grievances is protected. Using a gun as a dildo is protected. Protesting a homophobic baker at gunpoint is protected. If something is legal, then that thing with a gun is protected by the Second Amendment.
If that’s what “any lawful purpose” means, then it’s ridiculously overbroad. We already know that the Second Amendment doesn’t protect using guns for any lawful purpose. If, on the other hand, it just means “anything that’s already legal,” then it does nothing, because we can just make armed self-defense — or whatever — illegal.
* Interesting that you lot have no objection to this whatsoever given that it’s on even shakier ground than the right to privacy / abortion. The silver lining of Dobbs is it’ll make Heller trivially easy to overturn when the time comes. Egregiously Wrong!
"1. Self-defense is a constitutional right*"
You think this is on shaky ground? THIS? Seriously, at this point I don't know that there's anything to discuss.
You think this is on shaky ground?
*I* don’t, but then, I also think abortion is a constitutional right. You’re the one who seems to think it’s fine for self-defense to emanate from a penumbra, but not privacy.
Yet, it seems even the founders believed the 2A protected a Constitutional right. How do I know? History, which can be easily found and studied.
Saint George Tucker (1752-1828) served as a colonel in the Virginia militia, was wounded in the Revolutionary War, was a law professor at William and Mary, and later was a justice on the Virginia Supreme Court from 1804 to 1811. He was also a friend of Thomas Jefferson. In 1803 he published a five-volume edition of Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England.
"This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty .... The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction. In England, the people have been disarmed, generally, under the specious pretext of preserving the game: a never failing lure to bring over the landed aristocracy to support any measure, under that mask, though calculated for very different purposes. True it is, their bill of rights seems at first view to counteract this policy: but the right of bearing arms is confined to protestants, and the words suitable to their condition and degree, have been interpreted to authorize the prohibition of keeping a gun or other engine for the destruction of game, to any farmer, or inferior tradesman, or other person not qualified to kill game. So that not one man in five hundred can keep a gun in his house without being subject to a penalty."
And then, there was Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story. Justice Story was appointed to the Supreme Court as an Associate Justice by James Madison in 1811. In 1833 he wrote, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States" His comments on the Second Amendment follow.
"The next amendment is: 'A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.' "
"The importance of this article will scarcely be doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon the subject. The militia is the natural defence of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both from the enormous expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile means, which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, to subvert the government, or trample upon the rights of the people. THE RIGHT OF THE CITIZENS TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS HAS JUSTLY BEEN CONSIDERED, AS THE PALLADIUM OF THE LIBERTIES OF A REPUBLIC; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.(1) And yet, though this truth would seem so clear, and the importance of a well regulated militia would seem so undeniable, it cannot be disguised, that among the American people there is a growing indifference to any system of militia discipline, and a strong disposition, from a sense of its burdens, to be rid."
(1) 1 Tucker's Black. Comm. App. 300; Rawle on Const. ch. 10, p. 125; 2 Lloyd's Debates, 219, 220.
And one I consider the most ignored Constitutional writer of all time, Thomas Cooley. Michigan Supreme Court Justice Thomas Cooley was probably the leading constitutional commentator of the late 1800s. In 1898 he wrote Principles of Constitutional Law.
"The Constitution. -- By the Second Amendment to the Constitution it is declared that "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
"The amendment, like most other provisions in the Constitution, has a history. It was adopted with some modification and enlargement from the English Bill of Rights of 1688, where it stood as a protest against arbitrary action of the overturned dynasty in disarming the people, and as a pledge of the new rulers that this tyrannical action should cease. The right declared was meant to be a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers, and as a necessary and efficient means of regaining rights when temporarily overturned by usurpation."
"The Right is General. -- It may be supposed from the phraseology of this provision that the right to keep and bear arms was only guaranteed to the militia; but this would be an interpretation not warranted by the intent. The militia, as has been elsewhere explained, consists of those persons who, under the law, are liable to the performance of military duty, and are officered and enrolled for service when called upon. But the law may make provision for the enrollment of all who are fit to perform military duty, or of a small number only, or it may wholly omit to make any provision at all; and if the right were limited to those enrolled, the purpose of this guaranty might be defeated altogether by the action or neglect to act of the government it was meant to hold in check. The meaning of the provision, undoubtedly is, that the people, from whom the militia must be taken, shall have the right to keep and bear arms, and they need no permission or regulation of law for the purpose, but this enables the government to have a well regulated militia; for to bear arms implies something more than the mere keeping; it implies the learning to handle and use them in a way that makes those who keep them ready for their efficient use; in other words, it implies the right to meet for voluntary discipline in arms, observing in doing so the laws of public order."
"Standing Army. -- A further purpose of this amendment is, to preclude any necessity or reasonable excuse for keeping up a standing army. A standing army is condemned by the traditions and sentiments of the people, as being as dangerous to the liberties of the people as the general preparation of the people for the defence of their institutions with arms is preservative of them."
"What Arms may be kept. -- The arms intended by the Constitution are such as are suitable for the general defence of the community against invasion or oppression, and the secret carrying of those suited merely to deadly individual encounters may be prohibited."
So, it seems as if your "argument" would make no sense to the founders.
This assumes that the government is actually, constitutionally, entitled to outlaw things like self defense. That's pretty dubious.
You don't have to remind us that you want to outlaw self-defense and hunting.
Yeah, because nothing bad could come from allowing government the power to conduct that kind of gamesmanship.
Oh, wait - the Supreme Court already addressed exactly that issue in many other context and said unambiguously that it's unconstitutional.
Hey, I'm with you. But then stop saying "lawful purpose." It's not remotely accurate.
I have an 1866 Winchester replica that has a 13 round magazine. Its not a semiautomatic but I can empty all 13 rounds in about 7 seconds, which isn't even close to a record.
The Winchester lever rifle became so popular because it had such a high magazine capacity and could be fired so rapidly, so how in the world can tradition and history be used to bad modern equivalents that are in common use.
By the way lots of states do not have magazine capacity limits, so its pretty much impossible to show they are not in common use. California's 10 round limit has been struck down but the decision has been stayed, but right across the Colorado river in Arizona 50 round magazines are legal.
This whole argument illustrates exactly why I hate the "in common use" test.
WHY are machine guns not widely owned today? WHY?
Because the government effectively banned them at a time when the Court was running from 2nd amendment cases! This test effectively grandfathers in the results of several generations of laws that would have been struck down if the test had been in place when they were enacted!
But it gets worse: It's an open invitation to freeze civilian firearms technology in its place, by preemptively banning every advance before it has a chance to gain any market penetration.
The 'in common use' test isn't any kind of principled test, it's just a rough guideline to identify cases where you don't need to do any further analysis. As such it would be great if honestly applied, but it can't be the whole rule, just a first cut thing.
The problem is, the Court has shied away from that further analysis, on account of the fact that if they actually did it, they'd be overturning what are by now long standing federal laws, like the NFA. And the Court is INSANELY reluctant to overturn federal laws, once they've put down roots.
They're forever shrinking from doing what their announced reasoning says they must do. Well, hopefully not forever.
But it gets worse: It’s an open invitation to freeze civilian firearms technology in its place, by preemptively banning every advance before it has a chance to gain any market penetration.
Compared to the disadvantages of an uncontrolled civilian arms race, that sounds like wise policy. It also seems to offer the advantage of doing nothing to obstruct the practice of self-defense with available firearms.
And totally vitiates the purposes of the 2nd amendment: To allow the general population to be armed in the same way as soldiers so that you can throw together a militarily effective militia at a moment's notice from ordinary citizens, and in extremity to allow the population to defeat their own government if it goes bad.
Oh, that purpose! Why didn’t you tell me, so I could schedule you for your militia drills?
It's really a hoot to see what it takes to get a gun advocate to confess the militia purpose is the point of the 2A.
Congress already has the authority to schedule us all for militia drills under article. Why would they try to put that power in an ambiguous platitude in the 2nd amendment, when they have the explicit power in Article 1 Section 8:
"To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws
of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the
Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be
employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to
the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers,
and the Authority of training the Militia according to the
discipline prescribed by Congress;"
Since plainly Congress already had the power you think the 2nd amendment confers, then its obvious that what the amendment does is protect the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
Why would they try to put that power in an ambiguous platitude in the 2nd amendment,
I suppose for the reason that the 2A was added later, creating possibility of inference that it protected more than the pre-existing language did. Southern slave-holding states did not want the national right expanded. They were sensitive that a nationalized right to self-defense with a gun would create intense political resistance among slave holders, threatening as it might seem to arm slaves, or at least to encourage would-be abolitionists to argue for that. Southerners thus preferred to regulate gun issues state-by-state, so they could tailor their own laws to their own needs as they saw them.
So by adding specifically, "A well-regulated militia," to the 2A language the drafters got the militia right into the Bill of Rights, while tying it back to an original text which had nothing to do with self-defense (and everything to do, as the South saw it, with keeping ready for use a means to suppress servile insurrections). The need to do that specifically within the Bill of Rights is demonstrated by Southern arguments which insisted explicitly that the original constitutional language was insufficient. Prior to ratification, southerners objected to a possibility of de facto abolition of the militia right by federal government neglect, which they claimed the original language would not prevent.
"Well-regulated," of course meant properly equipped for military service, and trained under military discipline. It did not at all mean guns for self-defense in unrelated contexts.
The militia purpose is thus well supported by both explicit historical text, and relevant context. The self-defense purpose claim is bereft of historical support, whether explicit, contextual, logical, or otherwise. The self-defense argument not only goes unsupported by text, but is also demonstrably contrary to the advocacy and events which supplied the context for drafting and ratifying the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
In fact, all the collateral evidence is against a self-defense purpose for the 2A. Gun advocates argue the contrary when they think mistakenly that anything which appears in the historical record and mentions guns must, somehow, be relevant evidence for the self-defense purpose they hope to prove.
Valid historical inferences do not work that way. They require contextual analysis to elucidate points which justify a particular hypothesis, about a subject at a particular time and place, and which distinguish those from superficially similar others which are merely scattered throughout the record in an endless variety of unrelated contexts. Thus, even proof that some state government protected in its constitution a self-defense right with a gun is not proof in the slightest that any such purpose was protected by the 2A in the US Constitution. It is not even relevant evidence.
The militia is the "why". Not allowing infringement of the right to keep and bear arms is the "how".
But you are ignoring that the Miller Court did uphold the NFA, at least to sawed off shotguns, so there is precedent. If they can't even correct the slaughterhouse cases doing away with privileges and immunities, this hardly seems worse.
Well, of course the Miller court didn't strike down the NFA. As I've noted before, 'the switch in time that saved 9', the Court's abject cave to FDR's Court packing threat, happened in 1937. US v Miller was heard in 1939.
That the federal government would prevail was pre-determined, the Court was temporarily on hiatus from striking down laws, however objectionable they might be.
Further, US v Miller was a set-up job, a deliberate test case engineered to have the NFA challenged under the most favorable circumstances possible: A criminal defendant, tried in absentia.
Even so, all the Court did was note that they were not on official notice that a sawn off shotgun had military utility. They didn't hold that the NFA would be constitutional as applied to a firearm that DID have military utility.
Not quite the whole picture. The Court said in Heller and emphasized in Caetano that just because arms were not around previously that they can be protected by the 2nd Amendment.
But I otherwise agree that the Court should clarify the common use test if only to discourage gun-hating judges from judicial trickle-truthing.
It goes both ways, too. Common use implies that there might be some armament that SHOULD be banned, but if gun enthusiasts just buy enough of them up they can make it legal.
Common use is a bad test. It doesn't come from the text, it doesn't come from the history, it wasn't the common law rule; it's just something the Supreme Court came up with because it didn't want to either go left (dangerousness, though that will return in Rahimi, or the militia) or right (what part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?). It was a punt.
Perhaps. But it was the Miller court in 1939 that set the common use standard.
Scalia was very careful in Heller to go no further than Miller allowed in vindicating the right of the people to to keep and bear arms, while of course the Miller court was going as far as they could the other way to infringe it, which they knew was not all that far.
And for all the squawking about Heller, and McDonald, it changed things very little around the country, DC and Chicago were about it. Even very liberal cities in liberal states like San Francisco it was perfectly legal to own a gun in ones apartment. The squawking was because the gun grabbers really did plan to grab all the guns.
No, the reason it did very little is that the lower courts were, and continue to be, happy to ignore the rulings.
Heller, faithfully applied, would have ended most of the worst blue state gun control laws, and many of the federal ones too.
Here is what Scalia in Heller actually said discussing Miller, machine guns and common use:
"We may as well consider at this point (for we will have to consider eventually) what types of weapons Miller permits. Read in isolation, Miller’s phrase “part of ordinary military equipment” could mean that only those weapons useful in warfare are protected. That would be a startling reading of the opinion, since it would mean that the National Firearms Act’s restrictions on machineguns (not challenged in Miller) might be unconstitutional, machineguns being useful in warfare in 1939. We think that Miller’s “ordinary military equipment” language must be read in tandem with what comes after: “[O]rdinarily when called for [militia] service [able-bodied] men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.” 307 U. S., at 179. The traditional militia was formed from a pool of men bringing arms “in common use at the time” for lawful purposes like self-defense."
As far as Miller allowed, but no further.
Right, but Miller tied it to the militia. Scalia scrapped the militia part of Miller while retaining common use.
No the Miller court did not tie the right to keep and bear arms to the militia.
They tied the type of arms that could be kept to arms suitable to the militia. Miller is clear that the right to keep and bear arms is an.individual right.
Even the NFA, which was the statute at issue didn't purport to regulate who could own guns, but only make ownership of certain guns purported to be popular among criminals more expensive. It would be strange indeed for the court to try to pivot to banning mass classes of people from all firearms ownership.
Could you view the "common use" test in a different way?
I think that firearms (and accessories) in common use should remain legal so that the law abiding can acquire and keep weapons comparable to those that might be used by their attackers. For example, with about 20 million AR-style rifles out there, villains will be able to tap into that stockpile for generations (the useful life of a gun is up to a century). None of the bans being considered even tries to deplete that stockpile; they all grandfather everything already bought. Thus, while a law abiding individual will be prohibited from legally buying one, the villain will ignore the law and have ready access.
You have a point. I was watching the movie "The Highwaymen". Kevin Costner's character walks into a hardware store and starts buying guns including a Thompson and a BAR. He was going after Bonnie and Clyde.
At that time you could buy guns, including machine guns in the local hardware store and from the Sears catalogue. If machine guns wouldn't have been "restricted" then, they would meet the definition of "common use".
https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/sections/7-2506.01#(b)
Let’s propose a hypothetical revise 7-2506.01(b). Strike the last four words of the second sentence (“10 rounds of ammunition”) and substitute “the number of rounds of ammunition commonly possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes.”
Thus the Council has hypothetically modified the statute to directly incorporate the legal standard applicable to review of conduct.
Is this hypothetical change in the law making things better or worse?
What if the Council also added a judicial review element requiring judges to make a determination about the “number of rounds” clause in accordance with the norms and experience of the specific jurisdiction in question (i.e. the city of DC)?
“The argument should have turned on one, and only one, question: are the banned magazines commonly possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes?”
Nope, the question is ‘are there arms that use a large capacity magazine’? Yes, there are. Therefore the ban is an infringement on a natural right protected by the (US) constitution..
I remember Ginsburg not from prior gun cases, but from his being one of approximately twenty million Baby Boomers who illegally smoked pot. Allegedly.
When you get down to the meat of the controller's arguments it boils down to trying to legislate a 19th Century aesthetic limit to civilian weapons. Show your average advocate of limiting weapons a Ruger Mini14, a gun that fires the standard .223 round used by the AR15, in both it's wooden frame and black polycarbonate versions and inevitably they'll point to the more modern "tactical" variant as being far more "deadly" when they are exactly the same weapon.
Actually, given the news reports of shootings in D.C., magazines holding over 10 rounds ARE in common use there.
If "nobody needs the firepower where they can fire 11 rounds" then the legislature obviously banned magazines for all their police forces too, right?
They didn't? How odd. Then maybe your conclusory presumption that "nobody needs the firepower" is full of crap.
That's because they don't actually believe what they say, nor do they do anything in good faith.
Prepare yourselves for another example (along with Hawaii, New York, etc.) that SCOTUS is no longer the Supreme Court, but just one court among many with varying ideas. Following the lead of the Biden administration in ignoring Supreme Court decisions, lower level courts are deciding they are the final authority in their districts.