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Prosecutor Claims Official Forfeited Office by Going Nomad, Prosecutes Official for Theft, for Cashing Paychecks
No dice, says the Indiana Supreme Court, in an interesting case discussing mistakes of law.
From Teising v. State, decided Thursday by the Indiana Supreme Court, in an opinion by Justice Molter:
Article 6, Section 6 of the Indiana Constitution requires that all township officers "shall reside within their respective … townships," and they forfeit their position if they don't. Defendant Jennifer Teising resided within West Lafayette's Wabash Township when she was elected township trustee in November 2018. But after the COVID–19 pandemic spread to Indiana, she sold her home, bought a travel trailer, and left for a nomadic life while continuing to work remotely. Sometimes she stayed in Florida, sometimes she stayed with friends in Anderson, Indiana, and sometimes she traveled. But she hardly ever stayed in Wabash Township. And despite growing controversy over her residency, she refused to resign.
Usually, the State resolves residency disputes like this through a civil quo warranto action to remove the official from office. But here it chose stronger medicine. It convened a grand jury, which indicted Teising for twenty–one counts of theft on the theory that by spending most of her time outside the township, she forfeited her office. And once she forfeited her office, none of the twenty–one paychecks she kept collecting belonged to her even though she continued working as the trustee remotely. After the parties agreed to a bench trial, the trial court convicted her on all counts.
A unanimous Court of Appeals panel vacated the convictions in a published opinion. The panel concluded Teising never stopped complying with the constitutional residency requirement because she never established a legal domicile somewhere else, and she therefore didn't forfeit her office. We now grant transfer, and we too conclude Teising's convictions must be vacated, but for a different reason. We don't need to reach the constitutional residency question because, either way, the State didn't introduce evidence that Teising acted with the criminal intent required for theft—evidence that she believed she wasn't supposed to continue collecting her salary for the work she kept performing remotely. And without criminal intent, the only available remedies were civil, such as a quo warranto action to remove Teising from office or a conversion claim to recover allegedly misappropriated money….
The theft statute underlying Teising's convictions provided: "A person who knowingly or intentionally exerts unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of its value or use, commits theft …." It has long been settled that "[t]he taking of property of another under a good faith claim of title or right to possession, or under circumstances consistent with honest conduct, is not larceny [(i.e., theft)], although the party charged with the crime might have been mistaken in [their] belief." That is because "[t]he intent to steal property and a [bona fide] claim of right to take it are incompatible." And that is so whether the defendant's mistaken belief about ownership is based on a factual misunderstanding or a misunderstanding of the law as it relates to property ownership…. "Ignorance or mistake as to a matter of fact or law is a defense if … the ignorance or mistake negatives the purpose, knowledge, belief, recklessness or negligence required to establish a material element of the offense …." See also generally 27 Ind. Law Encyc. Theft and Related Offenses § 2 (2023) ("A person who takes the property of another under a good faith but mistaken claim of ownership of the property does not commit theft by such action, since the required intent to exert unauthorized control over another's property is absent."); 3 Subst. Crim. L. § 19.5(a) (3d ed.) (explaining that "[o]ne may take the property of another honestly but mistakenly believing … that it is his own property" and in that event "he lacks the intent to steal required for larceny, even though his mistaken but honest belief was unreasonable" (footnote omitted)); 50 Am. Jur. 2d Larceny § 31 (2024) ("Because larceny is a specific intent crime, the State must show that the defendant acted with the subjective desire or knowledge that his actions constituted stealing. The intent to steal or animus furandi, as an element of theft by larceny, is the intent, without a good faith claim of right, to permanently deprive the owner of possession of personal property." (footnotes omitted)); 52B C.J.S. Larceny § 184 (2023) ("It is also for the jury to determine whether the taking has been done with a felonious intent … or under a mistaken claim of right made in good faith ….").
So, for example, a car dealer cannot be convicted of theft if they do not realize the car they are selling was stolen, or someone else has a superior title for whatever reason. To be sure, the State may rely on circumstantial evidence to prove the dealer did in fact know the car belonged to someone else. But one way or another, the State must prove the defendant knew the property wasn't theirs to secure a theft conviction.
Here, there is no evidence Teising believed she was no longer entitled to continue collecting her salary for the work she kept performing remotely. The trial court's findings of fact and conclusions of law do not conclude she believed the money she collected wasn't hers. The State did not point to any such evidence in its briefing or in response to our questions at oral argument. And our own review of the trial transcript didn't reveal any such evidence either. In fact, the only evidence in the record on this point suggests Teising believed she did have the right to continue collecting her salary. In both her November 2020 email to Wietbrock, and her December 2020 comments to the Journal & Courier, Teising claimed she never stopped fulfilling the requirements of her office.
Instead, the State rests its case entirely on the fact that Teising was aware of both the requirement to reside within the township and her own nomadic lifestyle. And, the State argues, that lifestyle produced a chain of legal consequences: by leaving the township indefinitely, she stopped residing in the township as a matter of law; then by not complying with the constitutional requirement to reside within the township, she forfeited her office; and then by forfeiting her office, her paychecks became ill–gotten gains.
But even if we assume Teising stopped residing in the township and therefore forfeited her office as a matter of law (questions we do not decide), the State didn't prove Teising knew she forfeited her office, nor, more importantly, that she knew her paychecks had become ill–gotten gains. And without knowing she wasn't supposed to be receiving the paychecks, Teising could not have had the necessary criminal intent….
Here is the court's further discussion of mistake of law:
The State … argues that vacating Teising's theft convictions because there is no evidence—direct or circumstantial—that she knew she wasn't supposed to continue receiving her salary would allow her to prevail on an improper "mistake of law" defense.
["]A longstanding legal principle presumes that citizens know the law and must obey it—on pain of losing their lives, liberty, or property for noncompliance. Because we assume that man is free to steer between lawful and unlawful conduct, we insist that laws give the person of ordinary intelligence a reasonable opportunity to know what is prohibited, so that he may act accordingly. An ancient legal maxim, phrased in the obligatory Latin (ignorantia juris non excusat), admonishes that ignorance of the law is no excuse.["]
But the State maintains the burden to prove Teising's criminal intent, including that when she possessed the allegedly stolen property, she knew it wasn't hers. So this limitation just means Teising can't defend based on her ignorance of the criminal law—she can't defend on the basis that she didn't know it was a crime to take other people's things without their permission. But she can defend on the basis that she misunderstood the civil law to mean the allegedly stolen property was rightfully hers, because that misunderstanding negates her criminal intent. That a mistake of law can be a proper defense to the criminal intent element of theft is one reason why civil litigation usually doesn't end with anyone going to jail even when a defendant must return money or property that the judge or jury concludes belonged to the plaintiff all along…. "[A] party to a good faith contract dispute should not be convicted of theft simply because he eventually finds himself on the losing end of the dispute" since he "lack[s] the requisite intent necessary to commit theft[.]" …
Our decision in Baugh v. State, is a good illustration of how the maxim that "ignorance of the law is no excuse" does not relieve the State of its burden to prove criminal intent, even when the defendant bases their claimed lack of intent on a misunderstanding of the civil law. William Baugh transferred one acre of land to the Cumberland Presbyterian Church on the condition that the property would revert back to him if the land was no longer used for a church or burial ground. When more than a year passed without any church services on the property, the building had become dilapidated, and there were no remaining burial plots, he concluded the property had reverted back to him, and he transferred it to his son, John. To preclude any doubt, William filed a suit to quiet title, but he died before that case was resolved, and it was dismissed.
John concluded from all this that he owned not just the real estate, but also the personal property on it, so he removed the church pews, chairs, and pulpit, and he sold them. But before he did that, he checked with his lawyer, who said he couldn't "conceive of anybody making a big row about" John removing the property, and even "if it should turn out [that John] didn't have a right to sell it," he would "simply have to hand the money back."
The lawyer guessed wrong. The church trustee filed a civil replevin action, and then let that case languish after persuading the local prosecutor to charge John with burglary for entering the church with the intent to steal the personal property in it. John was convicted and sentenced to between one and ten years in the Indiana State Prison, but our Court vacated the conviction. We declined to decide who had the superior legal claim to own the property, explaining it didn't matter. "One who takes property under a fair color or claim of title and in the honest belief of ownership and of a right to its possession is not guilty of larceny, although his claim is based on a misconception of the law or his rights under it …." John's belief, even if it were based on a mistake of law, negated "any intent … in selling and removing the property in question[ ] to commit larceny." At bottom, "this controversy [was] properly one for determination by a civil action but not one for criminal prosecution."
The same is true here. Under the criminal law, it doesn't make a difference if Teising was mistaken in her belief that she had not forfeited her office. What matters is that she believed she continued to meet the constitutional requirements of her office while working remotely and that she was allowed to continue collecting her salary. Or, more precisely, the State failed to prove she didn't believe that.
So, like in Baugh, this is a controversy for the civil law, not the criminal law, no matter how outrageous the State and its constituents may find Teising's conduct. If the State's objective was to oust Teising from office because she no longer resided within the township, its relief was through a civil quo warranto action. Indeed, that is how the State routinely handles claims that an officeholder has forfeited their position by abandoning their residence. Or if the goal was to recover money the township thought Teising was not entitled to keep, then the relief was through a civil action for something like a conversion claim. But the State could not vindicate its interests through the criminal law unless Teising knew the money she was receiving wasn't hers.
That is not to say a civil action is a prerequisite to criminal theft charges based on an officeholder's improper retention of pay, nor that the State could never demonstrate criminal intent without prevailing on a civil claim first. Suppose an officeholder retained funds they knew were paid improperly after their term expired. Whatever other defenses they might have to a theft charge, it would not seem that a lack of criminal intent would be one of them even if there were no civil claim filed first.
Since the State had no evidence Teising believed the money she received wasn't rightfully hers, the only available remedies were civil….
Teising is represented by Karen Celestino–Horseman (Austin & Jones, P.C.).
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The curious cat in me wants to know where this lady claimed residency/domicile for tax purposes. Never known a permanent RV-er to claim residency in a state with an income tax.
Keep it simpler -- where did she register the RV? If she had an Indiana plate on it, and was paying (I presume) excise tax to the township on it, she's declaring that as her legal address.
Did she vote? Where?
Well...
That appeals panel opinion wasn't used in the final vacation of conviction because the earlier threshold issue rendered it moot but "never established a legal domicile somewhere else" seems clear enough.
During my 20 nomadic years in the U.S. Air Force, our direction was that to establish permanent residency for purposes of income tax, car registration and voting, two of three things had to match:
1) Location of domicile (place you slept at night)
2) Drivers license/vehicle registration
3) State voting registration/state income taxes
My first time home on leave, we went to Murphy, Idaho (county seat of Owyhee County where my in-laws lived) and reregistered our car/changed our absentee voting registration to there, and that was my own 2 of 3 until we retired to Colorado.
(Fun Facts: we had a 4-digit license plate (plus a small, vertical "2-over-O" county code on the left side of the plate) because in the early 1970's, fewer than 10,000 cars were registered in the entire county which, forming much of the southwest corner of the state, is the 2nd-largest county in Idaho.)
I was in the Navy. When I enlisted, I lived in Pennsylvania. After Boot Camp and training I was stationed in Florida. I changed my residency to Florida. Unlike you I didn't have a driver's license or a vehicle, but, I did change my voter's registration. I came back from an extended deployment to a hassle from Pennsylvania about why I hadn't paid my State Taxes. I found out that there was a law (it was removed) stating that since I was under 21 I couldn't change my State of Residency without the approval of my Parents. My CO called a JAG Officer and that was the last I heard of it. This was in the early 80's.
An interesting decision. I surmise that she testified at trial, although the opinion does not reference her testimony. If so, cross-examination would have been interesting.
The issue I look at is did she do work for the township? And if so, then the township has a legal obligation to pay her for the same.
Writ large, they are challenging the concept of remote work in general. She wasn't in the township office, was she? QED she stole her pay, under an even stronger rationale than the one presented here.
And what fiats did the Governor of Indiana hand down, and did he/she/it declare a "state of emergency" (as most did)? Wouldn't that be "Force Majore" and hence exempt her from the residency requirement because of the Governor's fiat(s)?
And how much money was involved? I somehow suspect that taking a case this far cost her more than she made.... And there are no consequences for this crap.
OK, I did some research.
It appears that a Township Trustee is what other places would call a “Town Manager” — the chief executive of a subdivision of a county. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_township_trustee
She changed her vehicle address to her mother’s address in another township and the township office remained OPEN because Indiana is a Red state that didn’t go overboard in the Covid hysteria.
So she’s no longer eligible to hold the position — the solution is removing her from the post, not retroactively charging her with theft. Otherwise, looking at the duties that she had, the TOWNSHIP has an utter mess because none of the things she did were lawful.
One other question -- would there be a legal difference if she'd paid the money into an escrow account?
What I love about this quintessential second Dr. Ed post is that he apparently at least looked at the opinion but still managed to get both the facts and law wrong.
She did not change her vehicle address to her mother's address in another township:
Whatever follows Ed's "OK, I did some research" is always, at the least, entertaining.
What I love about this quintessential Dr. Ed post is that it's just stream of consciousness rambling based on things he thinks he learned about law from watching TV, with at no point him ever stopping to check whether any of his legal notions have any merit. (Or even to check their spelling!)
The worst thing about this decision is its reasoning would prevent Jack Smith from charging Trump for another felony for collecting his salary for the 15 days starting January 6th until the statutory end of his term
But it's not controlling so Jack should roll with it.
I lived on a sailboat and cruised the world for 12 years. I maintained my home town residency the whole time.
If you don't have an address, you can't vote, you can't get insurance, you're ineligible for numerous government programs. When you file your tax return
you must choose an address.
Another time, I lived in Sweden for 10 years. To vote, I had to request an absentee ballot from my previous address. I could not claim an overseas address for voting purposes.
Besides, in this post-COVID world, who doesn't work remotely. Get with it Indiana.
When I retired I kept my residence in the state where I had been living, even though I spent about 4-5 months a year at my vacation home, and 5-6 months traveling overseas. My vacation home is off the grid and the post office won’t deliver there, and it’s inaccessible because of snow about 6 months of the year so I certainly didn’t intend to make it my primary residence. I was also a co-signer on the lease for my son’s apartment when he was in college, so I used that as my legal address. The other 5-6 months I was overseas, so that couldn’t count as my primary residence.
Kind of seems the prosecutor had a grudge of some kind, or he wanted to make some sort of a splash for some name recognition.
" My vacation home is off the grid and the post office won’t deliver there"
As the US Post Office becomes increasingly irrelevant to modern life, the law is going to have to somehow change to recognize this.
40-50 ago it was arguable that one had to have a mailing address if for no other reason than to receive and mail paper checks and to receive newspapers, 30-40 years ago one had to have a wired telephone line (copper or glass) in order to have internet access.
That has now changed as our banking has increasingly become electronic (remember when your bank would mail you your canceled checks?) and FedX and UPS are increasingly becoming more reliable and more extensive than the USPS. (It's jaw-dropping how much the USPS has shrunk -- with the exception of the front counter, many once-busy post offices are now empty.)
It's now legitimately possible for someone to live in a remote (winterized) venue 12 months a year, you'd only have to get your food and supplies in before winter, which is what my grandparents did a century ago, what much of Maine did 50 years before that.
If you can get a truck(s) there in September and have the money to pay for it, you can get all your supplies for the winter and be perfectly OK. You could even do an Obama and have a few 10,000 gallon propane tanks (that'd take a few *big* trucks to fill) and run both an electric generator and central heating and never know that you aren't in Downtown DC.
My grandparents had coal and kerosene, the latter both for supplemental heating and for lights, with 100lb propane "bottles" after WWII. Those weigh about 160-170 lbs each and the worst part is that the 100 lbs of liquid inside will shift if you aren't careful when carrying them, but they are portable. And in the 1950s, people did swap them out -- they weren't refilled on site the way they are now.
So we're not talking the hippies of the 1970s or the original Ted Kaczynski, a normal middle-class person can live "off the grid" much as a lot of people did a century ago. And the law is going to have to somehow recognize the fact that we are back to not everyone having a snailmail address.
"Besides, in this post-COVID world, who doesn’t work remotely."
Almost everybody?
Apparently more than one might think if it is having this much of an impact on city office space:
https://commonwealthbeacon.org/government/drop-in-office-values-caused-by-remote-work-is-eroding-bostons-tax-base-report-says/
Of course I have long advocated for cheaper satellite offices out in the suburbs where people live. Shorter commutes, cheaper rent, less urban density. Some of the big Boston hospitals are starting to do this now that all images are digital.
Whoever authorized the paychecks should get off on embezzlement charges due to the same lack of criminal intent.
To play off a theme currently in the news: Is forfeiture of office self-executing? The opinion mentions a quo warranto action as an option. Is one necessary?
The theory of the prosecution was that the moment she moved, she automatically forfeited her office, and therefore all further checks she cashed were theft.
But then every official act she did was invalid....
Wrong as always. It's called the de facto officer doctrine.
Well she was paid as a de facto officer.
"You have made three errors!"
I think the decision was correct.
I’ll just add that this case illustrates the fact that there is a very long tradition in this country that questions of whether a person is qualified to hold an office can be, and indeed commonly are, decided by civil proceedings rather than criminal ones.
Moreover, while the ancient common-law civil writ of quo warranto, the traditional method of challenging an office-holders right to hold an office, has been abolished in some jurisdictions, it is alive and doing quite well in many.
If Indiana had a law criminalizing holding an office when one was no longer physically present in the county more 75% of the time over a 90 day period then criminal prosecution would have been appropriate.
It’s the absence of a criminal statute that covers the conduct that decides whether there were grounds for prosecution or whether a civil remedy was appropriate.
Funny that, no criminal law, no criminal prosecution. Clear criminal law then prosecution is appropriate.
Arguably, situations like this is what impeachment or recall provisions are for. In some states, the Governor has the ability to remove an elected official for cause -- that's happening in Maine right now, see: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/commissioners-put-oxford-county-sheriffs-fate-in-hands-of-gov-mills/ar-BB1hUXhQ
If she's not supposed to hold the office, you have a due process procedure for removing her from the office -- not this garbage.
I remember a case that I could never find again where the federal government and a local resident had a dispute over property rights. The government chose to resolve this dispute with a criminal prosecution. The case was tossed as abuse of process.
I represented a defendant in a January 6 case who went to the Capitol with his niece and a male family friend. The niece picked up as a souvenir a fragment of a sign that another person broke; neither she nor the uncle was involved in the removal or breaking of the sign (a nameplate above the door to Speaker Pelosi's chambers). The two were charged with Theft of Government Property (misdemeanor); the replacement value of the sign was put at about $800, under the $1,000 threshold for felonies. As she moved to get it, the uncle said (paraphrased) "You go get a piece of that, girl." She and the uncle were seen in photos displaying the sign. The two were charged with Theft of Government Property (misdemeanor); the replacement value of the sign was put at about $800, under the $1,000 threshold for felonies. The original sign was broken into a number of pieces and, as it had no historic or artistic value, it was in effect beyond repair. After extensive plea negotiations, the uncle pled guilty to that charge, the niece to Entering & Remaining without permission (trespass of the Capitol), each a Class A misdemeanor carrying up to one year in prison. He got 45 days, she 30.
He had a legal defense to the charge based on the argument that (1) the broken fragment had no value, and (2) the government no longer exercised dominion and control over the property, as it was refuse (this argument was probably weaker than the the first). The case of Morisette v. United States, 342 U.S. 246 (1952) is the lead case on theft of government property. The defendant took from a U.S. Air Force bombing ground rusted shell casings that had been on the property for as long as four years. He then sold them for $80+ to a local scrap dealer. He testified that he thought they were abandoned, that the government no longer exercised the incidents of possession or ownership. But the trial judge said that the defendant's admission was enough and in effect directed a verdict for the government. Justice Jackson said the defendant's state of mind is always an issue in a theft case and with the Court reversed the conviction. (The shell casings had value and the defendant believed it did, because he took it to a scrap dealer to sell. In my case, the principal argument was that the fragment of the sign was junk and had no value.)
If it had no value, why did she take it? Your clients conceded it was taken for its souvenir value. Souvenirs have value.
Could someone who stole a supposed piece of the True Cross from a cathedral reliquary claim it was just a valueless splinter of wood? A piece of Elvis Presley’s guitar? One of Michael Jordan’s sneakers just an old worthless shoe? I don’t think so. Context matters a lot in questions of value. I think your claim that the fragments of this sign lacked any value would be similarly mistaken as a matter of law.
I think the claim of right has to be colorable to qualify. There has to be some basis for it. Thieves can’t just make shit up to defeat theft charges. I don’t think your clients could seriously maintain the United States had any intention of abandoning this property or that it entirely lacked value. Indeed, the Smithsonian Institution went out collecting relics of the capital invasion and would probably have testified they wanted the sign fragment if the prosecution had gone to the trouble of collecting evidence to defeat your argument.
The claim in this Indiana case, however, was clearly colorable. How to deal with a pandemic presented novel questions. People overseas maintain US domiciles they don’t actually live in for long periods. And the prosecution never claimed she never provided any services in exchange for the money, only that she wasn’t qualified for the job.
Having seen worse riots at UMass -- and seen the cleanup the next morning, I vehemently disagree. UM took brooms & snow shovels -- I'm not sure what the folks in DC used) and threw *everything* into trash trucks. Everything -- broken glass, broken furniture, toilet paper, expended fireworks tubes, etc. The only exception was the uncrushed beer cans which individuals took for their own personal gain.
My guess is that the Capitol Hill janitors went through there with brooms and swept everything up -- remember they were in a hurry to get the building reopened (to Congress) so they are not going to go through inventorying pieces of things. No, it's all going into the trash and any rational person would presume that.
Back to the beer cans -- and there are building janitors in the dorms who have bought cars with their beer can returns -- just because the can is worth 5 cents to someone who takes it down to the liquor store and returns it doesn't mean that it's worth that to the person who discards it in the trash (or through the broken window on the 21st floor).
So as to the iron bomb casings -- and my first thought would be the live ones that hadn't exploded -- if the government had abandoned them (and my guess is it had) then they are abandoned. What is the 4th Amendment law on the Police going through your trash for evidence without a warrant because you have abandoned it?
Your client sounds like an un-American loser whose deplorability runs in the family.
So I did some research on this. In Indiana, township trustees duties include, inter alia, ensure that cemeteries are in good order, attend all township board meetings, perform the duties of fence viewer, administer oaths when necessary for office (I presume this would be something like administering notary oaths), perform notarial acts without a fee, and, on the first Monday in August, post near his office town financial records.
https://www.in.gov/sboa/files/TWPCH-02-2021.pdf
Residency issue aside, much of that does not lend itself to remote work. Maybe someone in town started to believe she wasn't earning her salary.
For extra fun, in performance of her duties, she fired the Fire Chief. He sued, and the township paid him $42k: $28k financial settlement, of which $23k was lost wages and $5k was for defamation by the Teising, and $14k attorney's fees.
https://www.jconline.com/story/news/local/lafayette/2022/04/20/jennifer-teising-firefighters-fire-chief-west-lafayette-township-lawsuit/7365901001/
She looks like a piece of work.
But still, this wasn't the right way to deal with this -- even if the criminal conviction was grounds to terminate her, which may have been the intent here.
I completely agree. However, I think it's why the township went nuclear in trying to claw back her pay, rather than simply go through the removal process. Not legally correct, just my best guess at their motivations.
You of course only listed some of the duties specified in the document, but certainly some of those sound like they require in person work. But it's not clear that the trustee must personally do those things, as opposed to arranging for those things to do be done. Like, does the township trustee actually do fence viewings, or does s/he contract that job to an appropriate expert? Surely the trustee does not have to put on the gear and go put out fires personally, even though "provide fire protection" is on the list.
We know from the court opinion that this woman had at least one employee working for her; she may have had others.
Are you arguing that the job can be done remotely?
More substantively:
1. Of course I picked out the elements of the job that are not amenable to remote work. There are over two dozen elements listed, which makes enumerating them all tedious. The issue isn’t if she could do some of her job remotely; the issue is if this particular role can be performed on a remote basis. It can’t.
2. Obviously she would arrange for firefighting, but part of her job is to supervise the fire station (hence why she had the authority to terminate the fire chief). Again, the question is if the job could be performed remotely just as well as it could be performed in person. If someone tells her that there is poison ivy in front of the elementary school, she wouldn’t pull it up herself, but it’s entirely possible that the expectation is that she would drive over there and take a look at it before expending town resources on noxious plant control. If someone say that the fire chief is constantly leaving in the middle of the day to bang his side piece, maybe it's helpful to be there in person so you can wander over to the fire station unannounced and see if everyone is accounted for.
3. Tell me how it’s okay for her to perform notarial services from Florida. While Indiana law appears to permit notarial acts to be performed from anywhere in the world (most states require that both parties be within its borders, even for online), the expectation is that some 85 year old who can’t handle computers can take her walker to Town Hall and get her notary work done.