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Disney Loses First Amendment Claim over Florida's Cancellation of Special Government District that Disney Controlled
From yesterday's decision by Judge Allen Winsor (N.D. Fla.) in Walt Disney Parks & Resorts U.S., Inc. v. DeSantis; I expect Disney will appeal (see also Adam Schulman's and Dilan Esper's analyses of this in April 2022, which proved prescient, and also my April 22 discussion of some alternative arguments):
In 1967, Florida's Legislature created the Reedy Creek Improvement District (RCID), a special improvement district in Central Florida. The district is perhaps best known as the home of Walt Disney World, which has operated there for decades. And as the district's largest landowner, Disney has effectively controlled the district's board, whose members were elected based on land ownership. That changed last year, after the Florida Legislature substantially amended the district's governing structure. Now, Florida's Governor selects the board members, subject to Senate confirmation. As a result, Disney no longer controls the special improvement district in which it operates. (That district is now called the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District, or CFTOD.)
This change—which works to Disney's significant detriment—came after Disney publicly criticized another Florida law, the Parental Rights in Education Act. In Disney's view, this timing was no coincidence. Disney alleges that the Florida Legislature changed the district's governing structure to punish it for its speech. The issue in this case is whether the Legislature's action constituted unlawful retaliation against Disney's speech in violation of the First Amendment….
"As a general matter, the First Amendment prohibits government officials from subjecting individuals to retaliatory actions after the fact for having engaged in protected speech." But it is settled law that "when a statute is facially constitutional, a plaintiff cannot bring a free-speech challenge by claiming that the lawmakers who passed it acted with a constitutionally impermissible purpose." The Eleventh Circuit has "held that many times." And this settled law forecloses Disney's claim.
In In re Hubbard (11th Cir. 2015), the Eleventh Circuit relied heavily on United States v. O'Brien (1968), a leading First Amendment precedent. The O'Brien plaintiff burned his Selective Service registration certificate to protest the Vietnam War. Charged with violating a statute that prohibited knowingly destroying such certificates, he claimed the statute was unconstitutional because its purpose was to suppress free speech. But the United States Supreme Court rejected his claim. It noted the "hazardous" nature of inquiring into legislative motive, and it declined to void a statute "essentially on the ground that it is unwise legislation which Congress had the undoubted power to enact and which could be reenacted in its exact form if the same or another legislator made a 'wiser' speech about it." In other words, because Congress could have criminalized burning draft cards for a legitimate reason, the Court would not consider Congress's actual motivation. It would "not strike down an otherwise constitutional statute on the basis of an alleged illicit legislative motive."
The Eleventh Circuit applied that clear rule in Hubbard. After Alabama enacted a statute restricting payroll deductions for public-employee union dues, a public-employee union and others brought a First Amendment challenge. They contended the Legislature enacted the law to retaliate against the union plaintiff for its political speech. But on its face, the statute did "not implicate any constitutionally protected conduct," meaning it was facially constitutional. Plaintiffs' only basis for their claim was "the alleged retaliatory motive that Alabama's lawmakers had" in enacting the law. And that was "precisely the challenge that O'Brien, and [Eleventh Circuit] decisions following it, foreclose." More recently, in NetChoice, LLC v. Attorney General of Florida (11th Cir. 2022), the Eleventh Circuit reaffirmed the principle from O'Brien and Hubbard, explaining that "courts shouldn't look to a law's legislative history to find an illegitimate motivation for an otherwise constitutional statute."
A straightforward application of Hubbard resolves this case. As Disney appropriately acknowledges, the Legislature can determine the structure of Florida's special improvement districts. Disney does not argue that the First Amendment (or anything else) would preclude the Legislature from enacting the challenged laws without a retaliatory motivation. The laws here, as in Hubbard, do not facially "impinge on any constitutional rights." And as in Hubbard, the only basis for the claim here is that the Legislature had a retaliatory motive. So as in Hubbard, there is no "cognizable First Amendment claim." …
Disney argues that notwithstanding Hubbard, "courts frequently inquire into legislative motive to determine whether a facially constitutional statute was enacted for an impermissible purpose." But it relies on race and religion cases, as well as cases involving statutes designed to regulate speech. Those cases present different issues. See Hubbard ("Our discussion of the O'Brien rule is limited to the context before us: a free-speech retaliation challenge to an otherwise constitutional statute."). The fact that other types of claims allow evaluation of legislative purpose does not undermine Hubbard's application here. Cf. NetChoice (noting that although "in the free-exercise context, it was appropriate to look beyond 'the text of the laws at issue' to identify discriminatory animus against a minority religion[,] … NetChoice hasn't cited—and we're not aware of—any Supreme Court or Eleventh Circuit decision that relied on legislative history or statements by proponents to characterize as viewpoint-based a law challenged on free-speech grounds")….
Second, Disney contends that the challenged laws explicitly target it, making Hubbard inapplicable. The Hubbard principle does not apply when "a law is challenged as a bill of attainder." And although Disney does not challenge the laws as bills of attainder, it labels the laws "attainder-like" and seeks to squeeze into the exception.
Disney primarily relies on the Eleventh Circuit's earlier decision in Georgia Ass'n of Educators v. Gwinnett County School District (11th Cir. 1988), which allowed a First Amendment retaliation claim. But as Hubbard noted, the county's retaliatory action in Gwinnett County "explicitly single[d] out a specific group." The school board explicitly terminated automatic payroll deductions only for the "members of the Georgia Association of Educators … and its local affiliate, the Gwinnett County Association of Educators." "That fact made O'Brien inapplicable because the O'Brien rule applies only where the law at issue is 'constitutional on its face.'"
In other words, the Gwinnett County policy was not "constitutional on its face" because it explicitly singled out a discrete group. The law in Hubbard, on the other hand, was "constitutional on its face" because it did not. This was true even though the Hubbard plaintiffs claimed the law "was an unconstitutional act of governmental retaliation against [plaintiff] AEA for its past acts of political expression"—just as Disney claims that the laws here were an unconstitutional act of retaliation against it for its political expression. Thus, this case is like Hubbard and unlike Gwinnett County. See Hubbard ("The facts of [Gwinnett County] limit the holding of the decision to acts of governmental retaliation that explicitly single out a specific group.").
Disney also argues that even if the laws do not explicitly target it, they come close enough to warrant a Hubbard exception. But there is no "close enough" exception. A law either explicitly singles out a specific group or it does not, and the laws here do not. In arguing otherwise, Disney relies on Judge Posner's opinion in Fraternal Order of Police Hobart Lodge No. 121 v. City of Hobart (7th Cir. 1988). But that case—in which a First Amendment retaliation claim failed because the challenged law did not single out anyone—only undermines Disney's position.
In Hobart, the mayor and city council had adopted an ordinance requiring city employees to work at least 40 hours weekly. The change made no difference to city employees who already worked regular hours, but "it made a big difference to Hobart's police." Police officers and their union sued, contending that the mayor and council adopted the ordinance in retaliation for the police's political opposition. Relying on the O'Brien principle, the court rejected the claim. It rejected an argument that the law "pinpointed" police, noting that "[n]o outside observer reading Hobart's 40-hour-a-week ordinance would suppose it directed against the police or any other definable group. It does not mention police …." Here, similarly, no one reading the text of the challenged laws would suppose them directed against Disney. The laws do not mention Disney.
Disney is left to argue that we should go beyond the laws' text and see what they do in operation. The principal problem with this argument is that it ignores Hubbard's holding precluding retaliation claims against "facially constitutional" laws. But the secondary problem is that the laws' effects are not limited to Disney. The laws are directed at a special development district in which Disney operates. But as Disney acknowledges, it is not the district's only landowner, and other landowners within the district are affected by the same laws. As for SB 4-C (the earlier law), it applies to "any independent special district established by a special act prior to the date of ratification of the Florida Constitution," a category comprising Disney's district and at least several others.
It is true that the laws did not affect all districts, and it is true (at least accepting Disney's allegations) that Disney faces the brunt of the harm. But Disney offers no support for its argument that the court is to undertake line drawing to determine just how many others a law must cover to avoid "singling out" those they affect most. Here, it is enough to say—as in Hobart—that the law "challenged in this case is not pinpointed against a named individual or group; it is general in its wording and impact."
{Although Hobart applied the O'Brien rule to reject the First Amendment challenge, it also offered some practical considerations. Allowing such challenges would subject seemingly all legislation to invalidation by a federal court upon evidence that the legislation, though on its face concerned only with the most ordinary matters of governmental administration, had actually been intended to punish the legislators' political opponents, or reward the legislators' friends with largesse obtained by taxes on their enemies…. The expansion of judicial review of legislation would be breathtaking. Yet the enlargement of the marketplace of ideas would be slight—maybe nonexistent.} …
Third, Disney argues this case is unlike Hubbard and O'Brien because of the strength of the case—the clarity of the legislative purpose. Disney says that "[f]ar from seeking to ferret out some hidden or opaque retaliatory motive, Disney's retaliation claim rests on the clear, consistent, and proud declarations of the State leaders who urged enactment of SB 4C and HB 9B." But Disney cites no authority suggesting this is a meaningful distinction. To be sure, Hubbard points to evidentiary difficulties, discussing the likelihood of differing motives of the legislators. But the principle at issue "is founded not only on the difficulty of determining by forensic methods the motives of a collective body, but also on respect for the political process and on simple comity between departments of government." Regardless, nothing in Hubbard suggests it is inapplicable when there is significant—or even overwhelming—evidence of illicit motivation. It says instead that there is no cognizable claim. Period. "What we are saying is that, as a matter of law, the First Amendment does not support the kind of claim [plaintiff] makes here: a challenge to an otherwise constitutional statute based on the subjective motivations of the lawmakers who passed it."
At the end of the day, under the law of this Circuit, "courts shouldn't look to a law's legislative history to find an illegitimate motivation for an otherwise constitutional statute." NetChoice (citing Hubbard). Because that is what Disney seeks here, its claim fails as a matter of law….
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At the end of the day, under the law of this Circuit, "courts shouldn't look to a law's legislative history to find an illegitimate motivation for an otherwise constitutional statute." NetChoice (citing Hubbard).
That seems generous, but District Courts shouldn't go off gallivanting and inventing new legal rules that are inconsistent with precedent from higher courts.
"courts shouldn’t look to a law’s legislative history to find an illegitimate motivation for an otherwise constitutional statute"
This seems insane to me. A Governor can openly and shamelessly target someone for their political speech, so long as the text of the law is superficially neutral.
As if we don't have copious evidence that legislatures are expert at this when they want to reward a lobbyist. Or RFPs that are tailored for a specific vendor.
But what's the "motivation" behind 100 separate votes for a law? That's a very different question to ask (and prove) than when looking at the actions of a single person (which is challenging by itself)
This story makes me smile.
Is your entire world motivated by political tribalism?
Well, that and being a reply guy to RAK.
Just enjoying a story with a happy ending.
Can you at least admit you’re happy because Florida officials got away with retaliating against speech you don’t like ? Because I don’t think you’re actually happy about special district reform.
"I don’t think"
This is a true statement.
So again, you're happy because they got away with it right? I mean you can just say it. DeSantis and legislators certainly will, and the courts will continue to pretend that that doesn't matter.
Wasn't the Progressives line something like "Free speech doesn't mean speech free from all consequences, despite what some conservatives argue"
The shoe is now on the other foot. Schadenfreude seems just straight karma.
That's not even apples to oranges; that's apples to broccoli. The First Amendment doesn't apply to private parties, so when someone loses a job or gets attacked on line for their speech, the First Amendment doesn't apply. It does apply when speech is being punished by the state.
And whether this decision is right on the law, it is deeply disturbing that the State is actively punishing participation in the political process. We should encourage participation in the political process, not punish it. Florida's actions were breathtakingly hostile to that basic value.
"participation in the political process."
Disney? I thought your side disliked big corporations participating in the political process.
If they can and will do that to a wealthy, powerful, evil corporation, who won't they do it to?
I can't speak for "my side" as I'm sure there's a wide range of views, but I certainly don't think big corporations should be punished for participating in the political process.
And as a matter of public policy, I'm not sure it was a good idea for Disney to ever have been self governing in the first place. But taking it away from them explicitly to punish them for participating in the political process is even worse.
Citizens...something, something....United? 🙂
"I’m not sure it was a good idea for Disney to ever have been self governing in the first place. But taking it away from them explicitly to punish them for participating in the political process is even worse."
It wasn't a good idea, but (apparently) nobody noticed (or was willing to do anything about it) until Disney pissed everyone off.
The Catholic Church (in Massachusetts) is a similar example -- arrangements were made in the 1950s that never should have been, but no one noticed (or was willing to make an issue of it) until the sex scandals broke.
Except that Disney didn’t piss “everyone” off — it pissed off Ron DeSantis. Probably most of the rest of the state didn’t care. In fact, had DeSantis not gotten his tail in a knot over it, probably no one would even have noticed that Disney had come out against the bill. And I still don’t see the wisdom in attacking the state’s largest employer.
Regardless of how the legal battles turn out, the long term verdict is going to be that DeSantis was stupid from start to finish.
“Regardless of how the legal battles turn out, the long term verdict is going to be that DeSantis was stupid from start to finish.”
We shall see. His actions seem, so far, to be quite popular with his base.
To the extent that line means anything and isn't a dumb platitude, its about social consequences, not government imposed ones. If you say the N word at work and you get fired, and you can't say your free speech is being trampled. The government won't punish or impose any consequence for it, but you still suffered a consequence. You can be an obnoxious asshole and no one wants to hang out with you anymore. That's free speech with consequences. And of course the act of dissociation and criticism by private parties is also an act of speech. (And sometimes consequences are good: you can say I love you to your partner and have a deeper relationship! That's free speech with a positive social consequence.)
"The shoe is now on the other foot. Schadenfreude seems just straight karma."
You're literally celebrating government retaliation!
"You’re literally celebrating government retaliation!"
Not so much. In a perfect world, big corporations wouldn't have buddy buddy relationships with local or federal government. That's true of both Google and Disney. If a multi-billion dollar behemoth is playing in the political arena, they can damn well take responsibility if they fall on the wrong side of the political divide. I would prefer a world where the Disney decision was not necessary, but hey, folks like you made it so.
Politics is a form of the iterated prisoners dilemma. This only works if the dishonest and defectors are punished. Thus when I see the usual "It's different when we do it" crowd get the point roughly shoved where the sun doesn't shine, I smile. The system is working.
"Folks like me made it so."
Okay, this will be a good one. How did I have anything to do with this?
No politics is not an iterated prisoners dilemma.
What a dark view of society that is.
"No politics is not an iterated prisoners dilemma."
You don't disappoint. There is the level of insight we have come to expect and what a doozy of an argument. I get it. It doesn't parse for you and you just sit there drooling. You are you. The truth is most of the cooperative portion of life is a form of an iterated prisoners dilemma and actually turns out to be quite hopeful.
Now don't you have lint collection to examine or something ?
There are, as it turns out, not just 2 actors in politics, and actions other than cooperate or defect.
And there is no payout.
It's not even reductionist, its retarded.
There are, as it turns out, things called NPDs or N-person prisoners dilemmas and of course there is a payout.
I have to admit since you seem to understand about as much about logic and mathematics as my cat, retarded tends to be more projection than truth.
You’re literally celebrating government retaliation!
The question is the remedy. It's bad enough for the courts to try to divine the intent of legislators. Second-guessing their motivations is a recipe for judicial overreach.
These sorts of cases are when we have to have faith in democracy and the political process. And look what's happened to DeSantis. He's a laughingstock, largely because people don't trust him, largely because he pulls shit like this.
He's not looking so stupid right now, that's for sure.
Now hang on. You're likely going to have consequences from your employer for that speech *because of the government*. Hostile work environment, and all that.
You should send your crystal ball back to the factory; it's very defective. You have no idea why I'm happy.
Okay: why are you happy
Hard to find that particular straw that broke the Camels back.
I can fire minority person for not reason(right to work state). But I cant fire them because they are a minority. So no reason is legal. But when you start giving reasons, you run into troubles. The EEOC had to warn Mark Cuban that even considering an applicants race as a positive factor to hire can run you a foul the law.
What "retaliating"? The ruling states that there was no "retaliation"..
You mean the ruling that said that its required to ignore all evidence of retaliation that the legislators and governor openly brag about? Just because some district court says it doesn't mean its accurate history. I can guarantee no historian will see it that way.
No, it says the legislation was constitutional whether or not it was retaliation.
Unless I'm misreading the decision, it doesn't say the legislation was Constitutional; it says that the Courts should allow the legislature to pass Unconstitutional laws based “on respect for the political process and on simple comity between departments of government.”
Except that they did address Disney’s 1st Amdt claim, and rejected it. So, it wasn’t an Unconstitutional law.
Well, the court said that
1. the law was facially constitutional, i.e. it didn't by its terms directly violate the First Amendment, and
2. the court would not look beyond the law to legislators' motives to upset that conclusion
The quote you provide was from City of Hobart, a 7th circuit case that also held that legislative motive was irrelevant if a statute was constitutional on its face. The quote was a rationale offered for the holding, not the holding itself.
And, just for completeness. the question was whether state executive officers and the new Board could be enjoined from implementing the new law, not whether the legislature could be (retroactively?) prevented from passing it.
Glad you think it is funny that a government can target an organization for defending a minority.
That's not the correct narrative and you know it. Disney abused their authority and have now lost their special status.
The new setup prevents not only Disney but every other landowner in that district from creating gay-friendly cartoons!
How so?
Be prepared to show your work.
Desantis had previously hinted that there would be more say in “content” under the new arrangement. But that’s likely a bluff because trying to use municipal powers over roads, fire, and police to say what content a company can produce is going to be a lot less defensible in court than facially neutral legislation.
Yet Disney continues to make gay content, to their detriment. Your explanation is hogwash.
Great!
If Disney only wanted to make gay movies I don't think any of this would have happened. The loss of the special district followed Disney's attempt to influence state politics.
"The loss of the special district followed Disney’s attempt to influence state politics."
Soooo the government retaliated because a company engaged in political activity?
It's darkly hilarious that everyone knows exactly what happened: Florida legislators and the Governor retaliated against a company for its political speech/activity. And yet the Courts have to play dumb.
Legally it may not matter whether the special district was abolished in retaliation for the 2020 Mulan movie, political lobbying, or something else.
In the quest for my sympathy, it does.
If Disney wants to make movies with acts of perversion so profound and disgusting that decorum prohibits listing them here, I will side with Disney when the jackbooted thugs come knocking on the castle walls. If Disney wants to get involved in political activities that are none of its legitimate business, as judged by me, I will side with DeSantis when he reorganizes an obsolete political subdivision of his state.
By "side with" I mean type empty words on a keyboard. My purchasing habits and political donations have so far been unaffected.
Poor, poor Disney. Might be 54th largest company instead of 53rd now.
Except nothing is stopping Disney now from engaging in the political process. It just has to do so on the same footing as every other company in Florida.
Disney’s sweetheart deal made it a quasi-governmental authority over the real estate it occupied, a unique position that, to my knowledge, no other private company in the country has. When you have a special position like that, it is not too much to expect you to refrain from interfering in other governmental matters.
So now Disney is in the same position as, say, Universal Studios, located a few miles up the highway from it. Either can lobby or not lobby the Legislature.
That's an interesting theory I don't believe I've seen explored, that Disney bargained away their First Amendment rights when they agreed to exercise governmental functions.
They didn't give up their 1st Amendment rights. They're still free to promote all the political propaganda they want as a private company. They just can't do it while holding governmental power.
Anyone have any thought in the standing analysis?
Don’t have time to think through myself today but seems a close question.
This is the court's argument against standing:
Eleventh amendment immunity precludes a declaratory judgment against the state. Under Ex parte Young the available remedy is an injunction against a state official. How could DeSantis, under court order, give Disney a benefit to which is it legally entitled?
Ah. So more a remedies thing.
Indeed, given the strength of circuit precedent Disney's attorneys must have anticipated this result and wouldn't have started down this path unless they planned to take it further.
Spoilers: Disney threw in the towel
The case against DeSantis was dismissed without prejudice. Disney can refile in state court if it dares.
But some of the defendants won a motion to dismiss on the merits. Federal court dismissals on the merits are res judicata. So I would think that, even assuming they get over the standing issue in FL courts, the same plaintiffs still have to deal with the collateral estoppel effect of the federal dismissal.
Was this a common law and equity decision, Bored Lawyer?
Neither, really. It was a Constitutional case.
The difference between law and equity usually arises today as to the remedy you are seeking. The court never got that far.
Sorry, Disney; nobody is above the law!
I mean the Florida legislators and Governor who clearly and openly retaliated against Disney and continually bragged about sure do seem to be above the First Amendment!
That begs the question. They could have done the same thing for other reasons. Like, there is no justification for Disney to continue to get the sweetheart deal it got in the 1960s. Orlando is now built up, and Disney has many competitors there who don't get that deal. (Universal, Seaworld, and others).
So the question is, does motivation alone violate the First Amendment.
"does motivation alone violate the First Amendment."
Not in that circuit as to laws.
Individual legislators have motives for votes. A legislature does not.
I don't know if its the only thing, but it certainly should matter to some extent if the First Amendment is to mean anything. Pretty much any policy will have some permissible justification from legislators and lawyers. And I don't want to categorically state that courts shouldn't always stop a policy even if it came about through retaliatory motives.
If I got to write the law on how to address clear retaliation vs a clearly justifiable policy a blank slate without regard to precedent or anything I would allow the policy to proceed but permit courts to declare it was retaliatory and then have a trial to assess damages (to theoretically) be paid by the legislature/governor. Kind of like how in employment cases juries can consider mixed motives in their damages assessment.
"Pretty much any policy will have some permissible justification from legislators and lawyers."
That's not the legal standard. Lots of laws have been struck down on First Amendment grounds. In those cases, the structure of the laws themselves impacted on speech. Here, in contrast, the law itself was facially neutral.
I didn't say it was the legal standard. I was addressing your normative question about motive. I think it should count. You don't.
It doesn’t, because while the motives may be obvious for one legislator, they invariably aren’t for many who voted for a law. Your approach opens the judicial process up to cherry picking and imputing of motives to the legislators who didn’t express themselves about their motives. That’s a can of worms that at least this Circuit is unwilling to open.
And your approach allows courts to play stupid while government officials openly retaliate for first amendment activity. And in the Florida case it’s not some random legislator…it’s pretty much every Republican including the floor leaders saying this stuff.
It really doesn't. Disney wasn't practicing the 1st Amendment as a private company. They were attempting to engage in political activism as a government entity that was granted to them as part of a special deal, which no other company has.
Disney's still free to promote their activism, they only can do it like every other company does. Quit defending what Disney's done.
IMO, Reedy Creek should have had a sunset clause built in. Something on the order of "10 years from the opening of WDW" or something similar. Give Disney freedom to get things up and running and then the district reverts back to the State. Allowing a permanent privately run political subdivision to exist forever (or 50 years) is bad business. A lot of information has come out regarding how Disney has behaved with regards to Reedy Creek and most of it is bad.
This should not be done by politicians, wrenching private corporations to censor their speech to ways the politicians desire.
Thank you!
But also the US Congress, who threatened section 230, potentially costing hundreds of billions in stock losses, as the giant Internet companies' business models collapsed, unless they censor harrassment, ooh, please start with the harrassing tweets of our political opponents right before an election.
If you're given your own piece of governmental power, then what DeSantis did wasn't "wrenching private corporations", it was merely restructuring the political map.
Except DeSantis apparently.
What DeSantis did was constitutional, as declared in court.
"hen a statute is facially constitutional, a plaintiff cannot bring a free-speech challenge by claiming that the lawmakers who passed it acted with a constitutionally impermissible purpose"
How does that relate to other Constitutional rights?
Let's say the State Dept. bans travel from certain countries, because they have a lot of terrorist groups, and their local governments, such as they are, do a poor job of vetting them. Turns out that all, or almost all, of those countries are Muslim countries. The president, who has impulse control, brags that this is a "Muslim ban." But in fact it's identical or almost identical to what a prior administration implemented.
Constitutional?
Whatever the merits of the completely hypothetical situation that would never happen in real life that you describe, it's not a statute so it's not the same issue.
Well is it different? Does motivation count for adoption of an administrative policy but not for legislation? Why should that make a difference? (In my “completely hypothetical” example. ???? )
Nothing hypothetical about it. Exactly that was done to Trump, and his ban should have been upheld on the Hubbard principle.
That was tongue-in-cheek. Both DN and I are well aware that that is what happened.
In the 11th circuit at least, a retaliatory motive may make a discretionary act of the executive branch a First Amendment violation, while a similar motive for a legislative act is not.
"Congress shall make no law"???? Wtf
The law itself doesn’t infringe the First Amendment.
If Disney had a due process or equal protection case, that would be one thing. But really their argument boils down to the idea that Reedy Creek was ultimately coercive: a benefit too good to refuse, granted on the condition of waiving a constitutional right. Well… then getting rid of Reedy Creek solves the problem.
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The standard with legislative infringement of free speech is essentially that it facially discriminates. This didn’t work here, because the law did not facially infringe free speech on a discriminatory basis.
Seems like the Open Thread has pulled another disappearing act.
Yes, and that's odd. I was just reading it a little while ago, and now it's gone.
The 1A stuff matters. I think it's pretty clear though that a state legislature has to have the right to do this. And also, are Disney's 1A rights lesser because it was acting with government authority?
Perhaps Disney could switch gears and stop purchasing products (and, when convenient, services) from Florida vendors. Buy the ice cream, napkins, insurance, soda syrup, legal services, computers, turkey legs, etc. from companies outside Florida. Put a few thousand Floridians out of work or into bankruptcy, encourage anyone with concerns to discuss them with the governor's office and legislature, observe whether that changes the political climate, decide whether to expand the program.
Nobody is above the law, Rev -- not even multi-billion dollar leftist corporations. You can hate the law all you want, but you will obey it.
Is there a law you are talking about?
Carry on, bigoted clingers.
It's called the repeal of the Reedy Creek Improvement Act, signed into law by DeSantis. Disney is not above it.
Sorry you can't stand the truth.
'leftist'
Stick a fork in it, it's done.
Yes, Disney should go out of its way to make its purchases more expensive, hence either raising its prices or cutting into its profit margin.
Screw the shareholders, so long as the woke brigade is happy.
Or, Disney can concentrate on what its shareholders invest money in it to do, run a business and make a profit.
I sense Disney figures Florida is interfering with Disney's operations and profit.
Discouraging Florida's lesser voices from engaging in anti-Disney conduct seems a fine corporate -- and civic -- purpose.
I also doubt it would cost much more (if anything more) to use a law firm in Atlanta or New York, to purchase beer brewed outside Florida (can't purchase the beer from an out-of-state wholesaler), or to buy napkins, turkey legs, and paper plates from a supplier outside Florida.
DeSantis is using the tools at his disposal to punish Disney for opposing his bigotry, backwardness, and ignorance. Why shouldn't Disney use its resources to attempt to dissuade Florida from engaging in that shitty, conservative conduct?
Arthur, I am sure you are a good lawyer. A businessman, maybe not so much.
No COO of a Fortune 50 company is going to go along with arbitrarily raising business cost (meaning, buy the same goods and services more expensively out of state) merely to 'show those clinger bastards who is the boss'. They have to justify that kind of thing to corporate auditors, who are your worst f'ing nightmare.
Do you want your retirement savings to take a hit because Bob Iger has a wild hair up his ass and picked a stupid fight with a politician? Uh, no.
Memo to The Mouse: Just take the L. Be smart.
First, many businesses "buy local" out of laziness, inertia, or perhaps a sense of hometown loyalty.
Second, switching to out-of-state vendors -- and putting thousands of Floridians out of work -- could be expected to increase Disney's long-term profits (even if there were increased costs associated with buying turkey legs from an out-of-state vendor) by discouraging Floridians from engaging in partisan conduct adverse to Disney's business interests.
Third, I would expect to learn that any additional costs would constitute a rounding error for Disney, and perhaps could be offset by shaking off inertia. One of my clients required managers at its stores to move every few years just to shake things up a bit, avoid ruts and corruption, etc. Maybe Disney could find better deals by surveying the field.
Do you think DeSantis should have put Floridians' interests ahead of the partisan tantrum he threw with respect to Disney? He has already cost Florida thousands of jobs, tens or hundreds of millions of dollars of economic activity, etc., as I recall, by attacking Disney to flatter his political base of culture war roadkill.
Disney lost $196 billion in market value by the end of 2023. Hope you're proud of that.
Speaking as one of the normies here, my take on Disney is they poked the legislature hard and then dared them to do something about it. FAFO with the "police" is always a stupid move. It’s not hard for officials to make sure it doesn’t rise to the level of retaliation while still making it painful. I guess Disney execs never had to deal with a hostile traffic stop. Well, live and learn.
The thing is Disney didn't really poke very hard, by previous standards.
DeSantis just realized that being a petty thin skinned tyrant was a *value add* to his base. Or maybe he came by his thin skinned authoritarianism honestly.
Either way, Disney will be fine but the people cheering this as a blow against...uh, corporate gayness? are just culture war brain-poisoned and will soon find something else to be miserable about.
I hope Disney discontinues every dime of charitable or civic spending and engagement in Florida. Belligerent, bigoted clingers deserve nothing but scorn and punishment.
Yeah, that sure did Disney wonders in business. $196 billion lost in market value. Hope you're proud of that.
Perhaps DeSantis isn't the "a petty thin skinned tyrant" you two believe he is. You get a piece of government power, you forfeit some benefits of being a private corporation. Disney faced the consequences for what they did.
"It noted the "hazardous" nature of inquiring into legislative motive, and it declined to void a statute "essentially on the ground that it is unwise legislation which Congress had the undoubted power to enact and which could be reenacted in its exact form if the same or another legislator made a 'wiser' speech about it."
That's exactly right. First, a legislature as a body does not have a motive. Individual legislators vote for laws for very different reasons. Second, even if you could get into that, proving a single person's subjective motivation is difficult enough, much less proving the motivations of 100 people. Third, allowing this inquiry is just an excuse to allow a judge to rule based on their own subjective beliefs. "I don't like this law and I don't like the people who enact this kind of law, therefore I conclude that the only reason for passing a law like this is the people who enact it must be evil."
Disney seems to be a discrete organization targeted for defending a protected minority. Completely disagree with the 11th circiuit, and this should be enough to overrule, if not distinguish from those cases it relied on. And it nauseates me that Volokh keeps defending offensive legal positions
Nothing offensive about it. Disney did not act as a "discrete organization targeted for defending a protected minority", they acted as their own little government engaging in activism against the unit that granted them power to begin with. They deserved to lose RCID.
Name them.
The problem with shady deals is you don't do them in the sunshine...
https://www.floridajobs.org/community-planning-and-development/special-districts/special-district-accountability-program/official-list-of-special-districts
OK, you made me breach decorum and say it. They made Mulan, a movie with a trans main character!
Disney probably isn't going to make high resolution tentacle porn, but people are complaining that Disney is making woke movies with inappropriate sexual themes instead of good movies. If people are complaining I could imagine somebody like DeSantis acting on those complaints. I don't think he did it this time.
I picked Mulan because it's the most recent Disney movie I heard of and I know it's based on a legend about a woman pretending to be a man. My total consumption of the last 20 years of Disney is 10 minutes of Zootopia.
>OK, you made me breach decorum and say it. They made Mulan, a movie with a trans main character!
You can't possibly be serious.
Mulan dresses up as a man so she can fight in a war.
Characters dress up as women to sneak past security.
Mulan is about a profound act of perversion?
You're a fucking joke.
Has nobody here seen Animal House? Imagine Mark Metcalf as an uptight governor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyb17xzQSEE#t=104