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The January 6 Attack was an Insurrection
And it isn't a close case.

Today is the third anniversary of the January 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol, intended to keep Donald Trump in power after he lost the 2020 election. One of the points at issue in the Supreme Court case considering whether Trump should be disqualified under Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment is whether the events of that day qualify as an "insurrection." It should be an easy call. The January 6 attack was an insurrection under any plausible definition of that term.
As legal scholar Mark Graber shows, contemporary definitions of "insurrection" prevalent at the time the Fourteenth Amendment was enacted were quite broad: possibly broad enough to encompass any violent resistance to the enforcement of a federal statute, when that resistance was motivated by a "public purpose." That surely includes the January 6 attack!
I'm not convinced courts should actually adopt such a broad definition. It could set a dangerous precedent. As Graber notes, on that theory people who violently resisted enforcement of the Fugitive Slave Act qualify as insurrectionists, too. But January 6 was an insurrection even under a narrow definition that covers only violent attempts to illegally seize control of the powers of government. After all, the attackers were using force to try to keep the loser of the 2020 election in power, blocking its transfer to the rightful winner. If that isn't a violent attempt to seize government power, it's hard to know what is.
It's true many of those who participated thought they were acting to support the rightful winner of the election, and thus believed they weren't doing anything illegal. But much the same could be said of the ex-Confederates who were the original target of Section 3. Most of them believed their states had a constitutional right to secede, and they had much better grounds for that belief than Trumpists ever had for the utterly indefensible claim that the election was stolen from him (one uniformly rejected in numerous court decisions, including by judges appointed by Trump himself).
It is sometimes claimed that the mob attacking the Capitol was unarmed or not violent enough to qualify as an insurrection. That would be news to the five people who were killed, and the over 140 police officers injured. There could easily have been many more fatalities had the attackers been more successful in carrying out their plans to "hang Mike Pence" and kill members of Congress (Pence and the members managed to escape). And it just isn't true that the mob was unarmed. After extensive consideration of evidence, Colorado courts found otherwise:
[C]ontrary to President Trump's assertion that no evidence in the record showed that the mob was armed with deadly weapons or that it attacked law enforcement officers in a manner consistent with a violent insurrection, the district court found—and millions of people saw on live television, recordings of which were introduced into evidence in this case—that the mob was armed with a wide array of weapons…. The court also found that many in the mob stole objects from the Capitol's premises or from law enforcement officers to use as weapons, including metal bars from the police barricades and officers' batons and riot shields and that throughout the day, the mob repeatedly and violently assaulted police officers who were trying to defend the Capitol…. The fact that actual and threatened force was used that day cannot reasonably be denied.
Co-blogger and prominent conservative law professor Steve Calabresi is nonetheless unconvinced January 6 was an insurrection. He relies on a definition of "insurrection" from the 1828 edition of Webster's Dictionary:'
A rising against civil or political authority; the open and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of a law in a city or state. It is equivalent to sedition, except that sedition expresses a less extensive rising of citizens. It differs from rebellion, for the latter expresses a revolt, or an attempt to overthrow the government, to establish a different one or to place the country under another jurisdiction. It differs from mutiny, as it respects the civil or political government; whereas a mutiny is an open opposition to law in the army or navy. insurrection is however used with such latitude as to comprehend either sedition or rebellion.
The events of January 6 fit this definition to a T! The attack on the Capitol was obviously "A rising against civil or political authority" and even more clearly "the open and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of a law in a city or state." The mob incited by Trump sought to prevent the "execution" of the laws requiring transfer of power to the winner of the election.
Calabresi suggests that the January 6 attack fits the definition of a "riot." Perhaps so. But "riot" and "insurrection" aren't mutually exclusive concepts. An event can be both at the same time. Indeed, that's a common occurrence in history.
Calabresi and others also argue that the attack wasn't large enough to qualify as an insurrection because, as he puts it, the attack "occurred for three-and-one-half hours in one city only in the United States, Washington D.C., and not as an overall insurgency in multiple cities across the United States." But the definition he himself cites indicates that an insurrection is "the open and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of a law in a city or state" (emphasis added). That suggests one city is enough.
And there is no historical or modern evidence indicating that an insurrection has to last some minimum length of time. A revolt that is quickly put down can still be an insurrection. The same goes for one that is poorly planned and easily defeated.
If actions in multiple cities are required, a great many attempted coups and armed revolts would not count as "insurrections." It is common for attempts to seize power to focus on the capital city where the government is located. If the revolt is put down, it may not spread elsewhere. But that doesn't mean it was not an insurrection.
The Bolshevik seizure of power in Russia in 1917 initially involved just the capital city of St. Petersburg. If the Provisional Government had managed to swiftly crush it, thereby preventing it from spreading to other cities, would that mean it wasn't an insurrection?
Do Steve and others who advance similar reasoning believe Adolf Hitler's 1923 Beer Hall Putsch was as an insurrection? Like the January 6 attack, it lasted only about one day (evening of Nov. 8, 1923 to the evening of the following day), and was limited to a single city (Munich, the capital of the German state of Bavaria). The number of participants (several thousand; 1265 people have been charged with offenses related to the attack on January 6, and many other participants likely got away without being identified or charged) and the number of people injured was also similar to that of January 6.
There were somewhat more fatalities (21) in the Beer Hall Putsch. But 16 of them were participants in the coup (the others were four police officers and a civilian bystander). The Bavarian police and troops who put down the revolt were less restrained in their use of force than US law enforcement officers on January 6 (who only killed one of the attackers). That surely isn't a decisive difference between the two cases. More aggressive law enforcement action cannot by itself transform a mere "riot" into an insurrection.
It seems obvious that both the Beer Hall Putsch and the January 6 attack were insurrections, for the simple reason that both involved the use of force to illegally seize control of government power. It matters not how long they lasted, or that they were poorly planned and quickly put down. And it certainly doesn't matter that they both occurred in just one city.
There is an admittedly more difficult issue over the question of whether Trump "engaged" in the insurrection that occurred. I think the Colorado Supreme Court decision that the US Supreme Court will review dealt with that question persuasively. But Trump has a better argument on that point than on any other. His involvement, while substantial, was less clear and direct than, say, Hitler's in the Beer Hall Putsch or Lenin's in the Bolshevik revolt in Russia. But whatever might be said of Trump's level of involvement, there can be no serious doubt that an insurrection did occur.
UPDATE: I have made minor additions to this post.
UPDATE #2: Steve Calabresi responded to this post here. I have posted a rejoinder here.
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"That surely includes the January 6 attack!"
He used an exclamation point. I guess that settles it.
At least until Blackman breaks it a double exclamation point.
Dog help us all if he breaks out an interrobang.
It's really the big lie -- it's been repeated for three years now, but that was not an insurrection! It was a riot. Bleep happens.
What's the difference between a riot and an insurrection?
If Democrats do it it's a riot. If Republicans do it it's an insurrection.
If demonrats do it its a 'mostly peaceful protest'. Actual deaths property damage (including government), number, planning, length, outright announcements of being a sovereign entity seizing territory from the United States and all the other things you'd think would characterize an insurrection and that the Dem protests greatly exceed the Jan 6th Picnic on, do not figure at all.
Amos, you hit on something important: claiming sovereignty.
George Wallace was "in rebellion", but he never claimed sovereignty.
Even if everything Team Ilya alleges was true, Jan 6th at its worst would merely have been a rebellion -- an attempt to obstruct governmental administration, not an insurrection which would require a declaration of sovereignty.
The Confederacy declared sovereignty...
I was referring to CHOP and all the other 'autonomous' states that everybody including Republicans seem to have forgotten about for some reason, that somehow don't count as 'insurrection' but the Confederacy also fits.
Everyone including Republicans seems to have forgotten about historical events that AmosArch knows about. Some might consider the problem there to be AmosArch having delusions, but I suppose it could also be a conspiracy.
The Jan 6 "protestors" chanted for the hanging of the VP and forced their way into the Capitol trying to change the outcome of the election.
Insurrection.
One is a violent demonstration, the other tries to overthrow the government.
The object of the violence.
No guns at least in any significant capacity.
No real weapons in any significant capacity as Somin admits. Just maybe what some of the police attacked them with. The ones that weren’t guiding them through the capitol that is.
No evidence Trump planned or coordinated this except supposedly implicitly through tweets.
No evidence of any overall coordinated specific plans other than protest.
The vast majority of the protest was completely peaceful.
All the deaths are from the protestors when the police attacked them. Save for one police officer who we’re not even sure died from an intentional attack unlike the noninsurrection BLM protests.
Yup, this sure will displace the Civil War as the preeminent rebellion in US history. Actually given the state of ‘education’ these days this might not be a joke…
The officer could have instead died doing PT -- it was something they didn't know about and which would inevitably let go under exercise.
Working on Jan 6th or running on the beach in Bermuda -- it would have happened anyway.
You don't bring guns to a lynching. They didn't plan to shoot up the Capitol; but a lot of them brought guns to DC.
No evidence Trump planned or coordinated this except supposedly implicitly through tweets.
And his lack of action after the violence began. Someone who didn't intend that would have immediately acted to tell these people acting in his name to stand down.
Trump didn't.
No evidence of any overall coordinated specific plans other than protest.
Except for all the social media posts featured in the charging documents for J6 people.
The vast majority of the protest was completely peaceful.
Those people were not charged and really aren't part of the conversation.
You say this a lot. Care to explain it for those that don’t subscribe to SarcoList?
This is the second time I've said it.
A gun is the wrong tool for that job; my very next sentence above explains more.
Your picking is getting pretty shitty.
Oh, I'm going right at your central thesis -- you just don't like that.
Justify your shiny new "lynching" toy, or drop it. Your cagey dancing with Brett below shows you don't have shit to back it and you know that full well.
You don't bring a silly prop gallows to a lynching, either. In fact, you'd bring the gallows, at least, instead of leaving it a quarter mile away.
Yes, Brett, I meant that they were going to use that gallows to literally hang Mike Pence from them, but they are all very bad at understanding scale.
FFS dude.
Hey, did the crackerjacks at the FBI ever find out who set up that stage prop or is it another unsolved mystery like the pipe bomber?
Indeed, if it was part of the insurrection, they are remarkably remiss in tracking down the people who built it.
Yes, not insurrection. Somin says: "the open and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of a law" -- You mean they violated trespassing laws? Okay, maybe they did, but they were only trying to make their voices heard to congressmen.
I mean, did you bother to read the very next sentence he wrote?
People who violently resisted enforcement of the Fugitive Slave Act were, legally, insurrectionists. Unjust laws require unjust enforcements. That should not surprise a lawyer.
I opposed the Iraq War and I was able to voice my opinion in a civil manner while respecting those serving our country. Bush invading Iraq and torturing detainees is so much worse than anything that has happened in the last several years. Obviously the anti-war movement failed and the soldiers and their families were hardest hit…but you just have to put things like that behind you and move forward.
It's time to deport Ilya.
Ilya is guilty of being AntiAmerican, and hence should be deported.
QED deport Ilya.
That makes as much sense as Ilya's asinine allegation that Trump is an insurrectionist.
First and foremost, Jan 6th was almost inevitably a clusterfuck of various Federal agencies whose various stings overlapped because they weren't bright enough to share notes with each other, and much as a dozen small fires have a bad habit of becoming one big fire, the various stings got away from them.
Second, WHERE THE HELL WERE ALL THE COPS?!?!?!?
The CHPD essentially stood down that day, and no one has had to explain why.
Third, this was Biden's Reichstag fire, and he's exploited it every bit as much as Hitler did, including the mass arrests of his opponents.
It was stated here, on Jan 5th, that this was likely to become a Reichstag fire...
Fourth, Trump was not on time. His speech started -- and ended late and while the riot was timed for when he SHOULD HAVE ended, it started a half hour before he actually did. And it's about a mile from where he was speaking to the Capitol.
Fifth, if I see someone about to throw a brick through a window, I'm under no obligation to stop the person. Trump's "crime" appears to be in not urging people to behave themselves -- failing to do that is not a crime, but saying something that exacerbated the situation would have been.
Sixth, it is not a crime to state that you think you were cheated -- there is a woman in Georgia who has been doing that for years. She falsely claims that she won the Governor's race, Trump falsely claims he won the President's race -- either both are guilty or neither is.
This is banana republic politics and we have no place for it here.
The arrests of the insurrectionists started under Trump. And Trump had more than enough time to pardon Americans that were victims of political persecution.
Correct. We need to re-elect Trump so that the J6 protesters will be pardoned.
Exactly, pardons after they already served their prison terms and got assraped…maybe all of this was so they could get away from their ugly wives and dumb white trash kids and get assraped by big black dudes??
That's what he's telling them now, of course, but it doesn't explain why he has let them suffer for three (going on four) years. He had the power and the opportunity to pardon everyone involved in J6 before he left office, but he declined to do so.
A cynic might think they were useless to him as free citizens--much more useful as imprisoned "martyrs".
"Third, this was Biden’s Reichstag fire, and he’s exploited it every bit as much as Hitler did"
Less than a half hour in and Dr. Ed has gone full Godwin. Do we know if that's a personal record for him?
Your fanfic is quite silly. It's also in support of enemies of the American people.
Multiple times Trump urged the people to be peaceful and cooperate with law enforcement. Before and after the Picnic . But I guess. 'Insurrection' also means speaking against 'insurrection' but not strongly enough in some people's opinions.
Multiple times? He said it once, as far as I can recall.
You are not well, and I think getting worse.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
At least put it in quotes, rather than pretending this is somehow your original text.
You can't change the mind of those who get their news from CNN, WaPo, and NYTs. Hell, they still believe in the Clinton created Russia collusion bullshit.
It is embarrassing to have supposed learned and informed law professors who have swallowed hook, line, and sinker, such a leftist media creative narrative, void of many facts and containing many falsehoods. I bet Somin still thinks a police officer was killed by a fire extinguisher blow to the head.
What objective source do you use for news?
Heck I'd also accept an answer of what completely hallucinatory sources she uses for news. It would probably be more ... "illuminating"
... if you catch my drift. I'll be in a golden submarine parked off the coast.
The Washington Post published that Brian Sisnick died of natural causes (stroke) https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/brian-sicknick-death-strokes/2021/04/19/36d2d310-617e-11eb-afbe-9a11a127d146_story.html
Janitor Ed bloviates:
It's time to deport Janitor Ed.
Janitor Ed is guilty of not understanding how the Constitution works, and hence should be deported.
QED deport Janitor Ed.
....
See how easy it is to make up nonsensical posts while pretending you're an expert at everything associated with central Massachusetts?
Trump was still president when it happened, you fucking moron.
Is it concerning to anyone that disqualifying Trump's name from the ballot, without him having been found guilty of anything related to today event, setting a bad precedent for ballot access?
No, the Electoral College is so stupid that anything that undermines it is good for the country.
For ballot access? I don't think it moves the needle there. States control ballot access, so this is just a set of strange conditions that get to the same result.
Unless you're asking if the Supreme Court might rule against states controlling ballot access? That's a big-brain lawyer question. Fortunately there are a good number of those here.
Lawyers? Any chance of this eliminating ballot access restrictions?
People in Maine are pissed at Shannon Bellows -- there's a pool out that over 60% want to see her impeached.
Probably from Rasmussen.
No, there isn't.
How about this. The DNC is not holding primaries. Trump is removed from the ballot, and as a protest, the RNC is also not holding primaries.
This means out of the major parties, Maine and Colorado have only one person to vote for. Write-ins for the other candidate will be ignored.
I cannot think of a greater disenfranchisement. The election has been for all intents and purposes cancelled for two states.
Ben of Houston, your personal franchise is only a power to vote for candidates the jointly sovereign People deem qualified. Your small share of that sovereign constitutive power applies only when you act jointly with others, not when you choose on your own whom to prefer. Because you remain as free as anyone to choose among qualified candidates, you have not been disfranchised in the slightest.
With the exception of actual kings and queens ruling by divine right, there is no such thing as personal sovereignty.
If motivated partisans can kick opponents off ballots at the state level, we do have a major problem.
Unlike the Civil War, where the insurrections were obvious, here we have facetious hyperbole that does not convince everybody.
The J6 insurrection was obvious.
Fortunately, they can't do this. As we have seen, due process is also required, and indeed that process is continuing as we speak.
Missed the part of the 14th Amendment which limits the disqualification to "obvious" insurrections. Care to point it out for me?
Yet another Saturday night bedtime story from Somin.
Mommy, how are babies made?
Let me tell you how DeSantis’ best buddy Adam Laxalt was made. The Republican senators were having a Christmas party in 1977 and Senator Laxalt invited his daughter. Senator Domenici was married with children but he decided to drink too much and got really drunk. He then raw dogged Laxalt’s daughter in his Senate office and then 38 weeks later baby Adam was born!! A Christmas miracle!!
Mommy, what’s raw dogging??
Why your obsession with this story which you have repeated on numerous threads?
DeSantis’ relationship with Laxalt really highlights how Tucker Carlson helped tank DeSantis’ campaign by asking all the candidates to articulate their position on Ukraine…that’s why Fox News fired Tucker.
These are the words every boss dreads hearing:
Excuse Senator Dominici, can you promote me from an intern to a paid position?? I need health insurance because you impregnated me at the Christmas party. 😉
Somin calls himself a Libertarian, and yet he wants to lock up political protesters. Yes, we should send he back to Russia, where they do things like that.
I thought they threw them out of windows or poisoned them.
"and yet he wants to lock up political protesters"
Wait, I thought they were tourists. Either way, people can't be expected to leave doors and windows unsmashed, nor should they be expected to refrain from shouting about hanging the Vice President. And if they come upon a door that's crushing a police officer, they should definitely help the mob, not the officer.
I mean, how could they know that they weren't supposed to be there? Empty tear gas canisters, overturned barriers, and wreckage are just normal things to encounter when taking a tour.
Imagine yourself 50 years hence. Which do you pick for the gold-standard example of American insurrection, Shay's Rebellion, or Trump's coup attempt? I think it is a close call, with points in favor of either one. What do VC commenters think?
Seeing as how Shays had already shut down the courts -- indefinitely -- and was marching on the Springfield US Armory with the intent of seizing the ordinance & weapons therein, I think that's a wee bit more serious than drinking Nancy Pelosi's beer.
If I am not mistaken, the Springfield Armory was the only one that the US had a the time, Army rifles were made there through WWII.
No one will think that Trump had a coup attempt. He was already the President, and did not use any of the forces under his command. It was just a political protest. Jailing the J6 protesters will be an embarrassment.
All this will look baaaad in the future, when calmer analysis occurs. Using the power of government to investigate a political opponent, because he is an opponent, the exact thing much of the constitution is designed to prevent, one thing after another.
One fails, move on to the next, for the better part of a decade now.
And let's not forget the king expropriating the estate of the irritating nobleman.
There is a serious threat to democracy, but it's from those facetiously pretending to defend it, while kicking an opponent off the ballot.
Having said that, Trump must lose. We don't want dictator tanks rolling through Europe, cheered on by an American president.
You either take the Constitution seriously, or you don't. You don't.
I imagine I won't be imagining much of anything in fifty years.
This post falls into a trap that might just doom everything. The Trump coup/insurrection was not just Jan 6. It also included the fake electors, pressuring Pence, and trying to get local election officials to declare Trump the winner.
The Republicans want to discuss only Jan 6, because then SCOUTS can ignore everything else and keep Trump on the ballot.
Please stop.
All pages taken from the Democrat playbook.
Don’t leave out the 147 GOP Reps and Senators who voted against some part of the count, based on internet rumors and wishful thinking. Also part of the whole package of trying to replace the lawfully elected President with a pretender.
It bears repeating here that the Trump White House has covered up his involvement during the actual attack. The phone logs produced show no calls being made at all during that time on a phone line that (according to witnesses) he was using. We still don’t know all the particulars about any instructions from him as to violence or any encouragements, or who he was calling.
Oh yes, covered it up. Because we don't have any actual evidence, because of a "cover-up", that proves he's guilty.
You're obviously allowed to make that as a political judgment (it's a free country after all), but not as a matter of legal culpability, due process and all.
I'd be more inclined to be sympathetic about such things, if people like you didn't brush off Clinton camp and Mueller office phones being smashed and/or wiped collectively. Unless you want to concede that also makes them all "guilty" too. Partisan hackery and all.
DIsclaimer: I've never voted for Trump and I won't ever, he's unfit for any office let alone the presidency.
Always weird to hear people who decide they have reasons not to care about Trump doing stuff as if it's a favour they've decided not to grant.
Somin upsetting the MAGAts in the Reason comment section...
Somin upsets all libertarians when advocates jailing citizens for expressing political opinions.
Where does he say this?
MAGAts are not libertarians, though, are they?
I am pretty libertarian. I like Trump. Will support him against any Democrat.
"That would be news to the five people who were killed, and over 140 police officers injured."
A substantial fraction of my remaining respect for you just evaporated.
At this point there's essentially zero chance that you are unaware that four of those five died of natural causes. And yet you keep repeating this lie.
....and if they were "killed", who killed them? Of course we know that in the case of Babbit the medical examiner listed cause of death as homicide. That was the result of the only live round fired that day by a sacred incompetent Capitol Police officer.
They were definitely incompetent. They should have killed a lot more of the invaders. The world would be a slightly better place if they hadn't shown restraint.
Taking a page from Dr. Ed's playbook on how to treat invaders at the border?
No, but I don't think that treating an angry mob that's trying to overrun your position with kid gloves is admirable. If they're trying to overrun your position, aren't you supposwd to take them out?
Like police did during the mostly peaceful Floyd George "demonstrations"?
Should the fire bombing attorney in NY who torched a police car been taken out?
It's very easy to take someone seriously when they don't know the name of the person murdered at the hands of the police whose death sparked massive protests, but who they have strong opinions about. I loved it when King Luther Martin gave that speech, too.
I know his name and you knew who I was referring to.
Why didn't you respond tho the point of the comment?
Nelson, Friendly Fire ISN'T!
He shot Babbit in the neck -- an inch to the side and he'd have shot one of the cops behind her.
So it was the fault of the person who was being overrun by an angry mob, not the angry mob? I don't think you understand how responsibility works.
You need proportional response, any more and it's a war crime.
Oops, wrong thread!
Babbitt was shot in the left shoulder. From the angle shown in the video, a miss would have hit the wall above everyone standing in the direction of fire.
Dr. Ed is making things up? Shocker.
His link doesn't even make that claim. Was it edited later?
As for January 6th being an insurrection? Fine. Let's set the threshold that low.
The DOJ better get busy, we had about a dozen insurrections while Trump was President, and they did not lack for aiding and abetting on the part of Section three applicable office holders.
Do you really think this is a game only Trump's foes can play, or that the Section three genie can be stuffed back in that bottle after you've gotten your wish?
There is no 'one ticket to ride' when it comes to this insurrection nonsense. Somin must be smoking something really good if he thinks that he's found a magic bullet to take down Trump.
It's not a magic bullet. It's a strategic nuke in our political system.
It's almost eerily like the Gracchi brothers. Rome introduced violence to take down a populist that the senate hated, and it is widely considered the beginning of the end for the Republic.
"Do you really think this is a game only Trump’s foes can play"
Since there would need to be evidence and due process, not just some random partisan Secretary of State from, for example, Missouri kicking people off ballots with no justification except "I don't like what was proved, and appealed, and upheld, and applied, against the guy I like so I'm going to disqualify the guy I don't like.
I personally disagree with the Maine Secretary of State kicking Trump off, but the CO process was (and will be, when SCOTUS rules on it) a legitimate precedent to build off of. Nothing Biden has done would ever get to this point because nothing Biden has done even vaguely violates the 14th Amendment.
Of course, I don't think the MO SoS has any justification except that he is angry. The inability of Trumpkins to differentiate between due process and feelings is endemic.
I hope Trump gets re-elected and he jails all his political enemies for a day, just so everyone understands what a bad idea it is.
But only Day One.. He swears that he'll only be a dictator on Day One, then stop. And he's a paragon of honesty, so everything should be just fine.
“The DOJ better get busy, we had about a dozen insurrections while Trump was President, and they did not lack for aiding and abetting on the part of Section three applicable office holders.”
Care to specify any examples, Brett? Particularly including what you characterize as aiding and abetting.
...and Brett, be sure to show your work!
Yes, facts are such an overrated thing.
Here is one examople under this definition of insurrection.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-underground-bunker-white-house-protests/index.html
It says protests right in the title you linked, moron.
Protests where the White House,police and federal officers were attacked which according to the definition of insurrection being used against Trump is an insurrection. Either both are protests that had some rioters or both are insurrections.
Protesters pushed hard enough a few times that officers had to walk away with what appeared to be minor injuries. At one point, the agents responded to aggressive pushing and yelling by using pepper spray on the protesters.
This is nowhere near the scope of January 06.
And January 6 was nowhere near the scope of a real insurrection like the Civil War. Of course the excuse those of you on the left have used is that just because it was small, unorganized and unsuccessful doesn't mean it wasn't an insurrection. Now according to the definition being used to go after Trump the size and success doesn't matter only the attempt does. By that definition the assault on the White House was an insurrection. You can't have it both ways.
Btw over 50 secret service agents were injured in the May 2020 riots and there were reports of Molotav cocktails and several vehicles set afire. It was objectively more violent than January 6.
1. No new goalposts. You linked to a story, now you're talking about other stuff.
2. You also just took a month, nationwide and are comparing it to like 3 hours, at the Capitol. That's not comparing like with like.
3. While you are wrong, you are more importantly way off point. Reductively looking at injuries is not the right metric for whether something is an insurrection.
It was over six days in Washington DC and if you want a different link besides the CNN article that attempts to downplay what occurred here you go
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Washington,_D.C.
From the article
"Protesters reportedly threw "bricks, rocks, bottles, fireworks and other items"[4] as well as "rocks, urine and alcohol"[5] at Secret Service agents injuring over 60 of them, including 11 hospitalized and treated for non-life-threatening injuries.[6]"
And you might want to look at the section about who chose to support this insurrection after it occurred
"Prominent protesters
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Numerous former Democratic candidates for the 2020 United States presidential election appeared at the protests. Sen. Elizabeth Warren made an appearance at the protest outside the White House on June 2.[59] Sen. Kamala Harris appeared at Black Lives Matter Plaza on June 5.[60] Congressman John Lewis, the last surviving speaker from the March on Washington who was being treated for Stage 4 pancreatic cancer, visited Black Lives Matter Plaza on June 7, declaring it "very moving".[61]
Senator Mitt Romney was the first known Republican senator to publicly join the protests, "
Hopefully a fixed link to the wiki article
There were certainly politicians in the summer of 2020 that said and did things that would cost them my vote, but when I read that article I see the various politicians you mention appearing at times and places where the protests were peaceful. Not 'mostly peaceful', but actually peaceful. If my skim missed one of them egging on a violent crowd, please point out the occurrence I missed.
Abssaroka if Trump can be considered guilty for supporting the peaceful protesters because some turned violent it should also apply equally to what occurred in May 2020.
Btw thanks for posting a working link to the Wikipedia article.
"which according to the definition of insurrection being used against Trump is an insurrection"
No, it isn't. The whole 'trying to stop the counting and certification of the electoral votes' part is the thing that makes it insurrection. Playing dumb is pathetic. You were playing dumb, right?
Trying to assault the POTUS isn't an insurrection? Especially when the rioters are demanding Trump's resignation? I would say that demanding Trump's resignation while committing violence is pretty much the definition of insurrection.
Correct. Lee Harvey Oswald was an assassin, not an insurrectionist.
And John Wilkes Booth was both an assassin and an insurrectionist. The May 2020 assault on the White House where they were attempting to overthrow the legally elected POTUS fits the very definition of insurrection being utilized by the proponents of banning Trump under the 14th Amendment.
John Wilkes Booth was both an assassin and an insurrectionist
You want to talk me through that?
The May 2020 assault on the White House where they were attempting to overthrow the legally elected POTUS
Do you have anything like social media posts to show this was the plan?
But even if we allow you janky definition of insurrection, it doesn't seem to involve anyone who is running for office.
>>John Wilkes Booth was both an assassin and an insurrectionist
>You want to talk me through that?
Hopefully we agree he was an assassin?
For the insurrection part, from Booth's wiki page: "Booth had hoped that the assassinations would create sufficient chaos within the Union that the Confederate government could reorganize and continue the war if one Confederate army remained in the field or, that failing, would avenge the South's defeat."
The Civil War was an insurrection, I think - a rather large one - and trying to aid that cause by decapitating the opponent seems to merit being called an insurrectionist.
Welp, he had the requisite intent, and he sure did a violent resistance to the enforcement of federal law.
I'm satisfied he was an insurrectionist.
FWIW, I think the endless debates over what is or isn't an insurrection are pretty ... nonproductive. There aren't a lot of bright lines for the definitions.
You can have an (attempted) assassination - Hinckley/Reagan for example - that has no political valence at all; he just wanted a movie star to notice him. You can have inchoate political violence - Sirhan-Sirhan or the Scalise baseball shooting. Those were both politically motivated, but not very insurrectionary because the perps didn't have any plan to take power.
John Brown had the plan and the violence, but it was a pretty abortive plan, so it was (to steal Brett's formulation) a milli-coup.
If 'Seven Days in May' had been non-fiction, it would have been at least a half-coup: it had all the elements, co-opted security forces, plans to seize broadcast media, plans for subsequent government and so on.
The Puerto Rican separatists were at least a small insurgency. Shooting up congress and going after Truman at Blair House were in the furtherance of that aim, so that is pretty insurrectionist, but given their lack of support even in P.R. they weren't too much of an insurrection. Ditto for the Weathermen - they surely wanted to take over, but just didn't have enough support to be more than a nuisance.
And to me, that lack of support and planning is why J6 seems like a milli-coup at best. It was an inchoate mob, with no plan for taking over. Even if they had strung up congress critters on the mini-gallows, they couldn't even have fought off even the D.C. police. They would have just ended up joining McVeigh. I was a lot more worried about Nixon not going quietly.
I despise the J6 rioters, because I despise rioters in general. They just didn't have any semblance of a plan for an actual coup.
I don't come to this website to be productive 😛 It's actually how I idle my mind to spin down from more focused work.
I think the issue here is that there is a focus on the chuckleheads who breached the Capitol and whether they had the requisite intent, but those people are not the right people to look to as to whether an event is an insurrection. That'd be like checking out why individual Confederate soldiers signed up and absolving the Confederacy thereby.
So in defense of Trump, people are scoping way down and asking about how the death toll compares, or how likely it was to succeed, or whether those in the Capitol had a well coordinated plan.
In Prof. Somins' rejoinder below I go into the motives of the protesters, and maybe I shouldn't have. Many of them were talking about rebellion and the like, but even that is accepting a false framing.
Right. So what does that tell us? That "trying to assault the president" is insufficient to make something an insurrection; something else is required.
If that's what they were doing. But where do you get the idea that that's what they were doing? We know what the J6 people were trying to do: prevent Biden from taking the office and installing Trump as president for another term. Who were these May 2020 protesters trying to install as president instead of Trump?
"But where do you get the idea that that’s what they were doing?"
Well, 'storming the presidential palace' is kind of Coup 101. I don't think we have to assume they just wanted to filch the china. I'd give it at least a nano-coup.
Interrupting a pointless ceremony isn't some sacred line to cross. It was a predetermined outcome that everyone knew about.
There are numerous examples just on this page of far more impactful actions of Congress that were interrupted by protestors and rioters. This would be any business where Congress was actually making a decision.
Even if interrupting a ceremony is something special, 4 years prior Hillary Clinton's supporters held a riot during the inauguration on a similar scope to this one. The only difference is that they didn't get inside any building. Explain to me how one was a riot while the other was not.
The Trump Admin had a whole plan where they thought otherwise.
And 2016 was not similar in scope, what a pathetic attempt.
"It was a predetermined outcome that everyone knew about.:
And yet the J6 mouth-breathers were convinced if they stopped it, they would prevent Biden from being President. Hell, Trump believed it, which is why he was putting such pressure on Pence not to certify the results.
"This would be any business where Congress was actually making a decision."
Except that isn't what an insurrection is, by any sane definition. There seems to he a lot of confusion about the intent of an insurrection. CHOP and CHAZ and pulling a fore alarm aren't remotely close, by any rational analysis.
"4 years prior Hillary Clinton’s supporters held a riot during the inauguration on a similar scope to this one"
No, they didn't. This is one of the dumbest of the dumb things Trumpkins like to say when trying to wave away J6. And one example is calling them tourists, so the level of stupid is astonishingly high.
I don't know if they are sworn officers, but USSS guys got hurt there.
Kamela Harris handing out bail money comes to mind...
Kamala Harris did not hand out bail money. She expressed support for a nonprofit called the Minnesota Freedom Fund (MFF), which pays criminal bail and immigration bonds, and encouraged her supporters to donate to it during the protests over Floyd's death in the summer of 2020. Nothing insurrectionist about that.
Which has got to at least be "comfort".
Let me pose a hypothetical to you, Brett.
Suppose that next year a rogue United States Attorney in a ruby red federal district persuades a grand jury to indict Kamala Harris for violating 18 U.S.C. § 2383. Suppose the petit jury convicts and, as the statute requires, the sentencing judge orders that she is thenceforth incapable of holding any office under the United States.
After you wipe off your thumb and take as much time as you need to catch your breath, riddle me this, Brett. Can Congress, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove that disability after it has been ordered by an Article III judge?
Absolutely.
What is your authority for claiming that Congress can vitiate any part of a sentence imposed by an Article III judge for violation of a criminal statute? The President can do so pursuant to the pardon power, but what on earth empowers Congress to do so?
As I have reminded you before, Otto Yourazz and ipse dixit do not count as legal authorities.
Still waiting, Brett.
You really are fond of assuming I’m ignoring you just because I don’t instantly respond to some comment buried in a thread, aren’t you?
Section 3 indicated disqualification as a penalty for insurrection.
Section 5 permitted enabling legislation. Federal insurrection law is that enabling legislation. It has to be: Were it not, Congress would lack all power to add a new qualification for office.
And back to Section 3: “But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”
Like shooting fish in a barrel.
Not withstanding ng's schoolmarm attitude and megalomania
the real problem is the way these threads are constructed and the lack of a notification system to advise you that there has been a response to your comment.
A double lie. First, she didn't hand out bail money. Second, you don't have a mind.
Brett Kavanaugh protesters ignore police barricades, occupy the U.S. Capitol
Seattle protesters take over city blocks to create police-free 'autonomous zone'
Kavanaugh started a riot in 2000. Kavanaugh helped Bush steal the 2000…but he stabbed Trump in the back!! But that’s only because Trump was going to pull his nomination until Bush called Collins and ordered her to push the vote through.
Brett, you posited upthread that Section three applicable office holders aided and abetted acts of insurrection. I challenged you to identify these aiders and abettors, and you haven’t even attempted to do so.
Why am I unsurprised? If turning tail and running were an Olympic sport, you would win a medal.
So, you're conceding that it was insurrection, and just asking which people would be subject to Section 3 disability as a result?
Every prosecutor who dropped charges, and every politician who helped them raise bail.
I haven't conceded a damn thing. I am merely challenging you to flesh out your bare bones, ipse dixit assertion.
Here's another one
https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-id-state-wire-media-or-state-wire-oregon-2ed5ad6a436febbcc75761639e6e214b
Portland protesters barricade courthouse with federal officers inside, then try to set it on fire
Protesters Storm Supreme Court Building, Pound On Door
And also in Portland protesters assaulted ICE headquarters injuring several agents.
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/protesters-rally-in-southwest-portland/283-2b0e9903-d8df-44bc-98e3-607a8f0f7931
Assume it wasn’t an insurrection. The mere fact that Trump did nothing about it for three hours except watch it on TV demonstrates his utter unfitness for the presidency. All he had to do was tell his supporters to go home and it would have been over.
...and just how would he have done that? Travel to the Capitol?
Yeah, it's a dark age in communication technology. Perhaps one day there will be devices that connect people and can pass along messages.
Tough to read a message on your phone through a cloud of tear gas while dodging pepperballs.
And yet they still managed to take videos and pictures. Weird.
Well, when Donald Trump did belatedly call off the dogs (from the safe confines of the White House), the rioters heeded him promptly and left the Capitol.
So they ignored him when he said to peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard and instead "insurrected" but listened when he told them to stop?
He winked.
Bumble, the lengths to which you go to justify the utterly unjustifiable are astounding.
What, exactly, do you allege that is unjustifiable?
Not calling off the rioters for hours.
Josh, he could have very easily have made it WORSE and here's how:
Not everyone knew that there was a riot in progress, not even everyone at the Capitol knew that -- it was only on one side of the building. But if Trump were to say "please stop rioting at the Capitol", EVERYONE would have known that a riot was in progress.
Thousands -- possibly hundreds of thousands of people -- would have gone there just to see what was going on. To get a selfie in front of the bedlam, etc. And that alone would have made things a LOT worse than they already were.
And then the "they can't get everyone" mentality would have set in and those who were inclined to riot but not yet doing so would have gone to join the riot.
We'll never know what the USSS was telling Trump, but my guess is something along the lines of "Sir, don't do ANYTHING right now."
Everyone knew that there was a riot in progress. Everyone at the Capitol knew that. It was not only on one side of the building.
I would bet his lawyers would have advised him to say or do nothing since his speaking up at that time, even to call on the protesters to stop, could be used as evidence that he was the one controlling the situation.
In fact I can almost guarantee that if he had immediately called for an end to the rioting and it had ended all of these same people saying he should have done it sooner would be using that as evidence of his complicity in the riot.
Counterfactuals and phantom lawyers.
Sarcastro we have Not Guilty just above stating
"Well, when Donald Trump did belatedly call off the dogs (from the safe confines of the White House), the rioters heeded him promptly and left the Capitol."
Now I assume he means that proves Trump had direct control of the rioters.
And coming from the side that says they "know what Trump really meant" instead of what his actual words were your
"Counterfactuals and phantom lawyers." is weak sauce.
I certainly would not have told him that. I would have said, "Mr. President, your least bad option at this point is to tell your supporters to go home before it gets worse. Go out there and make a statement that you never intended a violent protest and they should leave now."
If his lawyers had in fact advised as you suggested, he then would have had the choice of listening to his lawyers or carrying out his constitutional duties.
Krychek you wouldn't advise your client of all possible legal ramifications of his potential actions? And if you did advise him to plead for the rioters to cease and desist wouldn't you take a reasonable amount of time to craft an appropriate statement to avoid potential legal liabilities?
That's why I would have told him it would have been his least bad option. At that point, there are no good options because of the comments he'd already made at the rally. At that point, the only thing that can still be done is damage control.
The statement I suggested -- I never intended violence, please go home -- would have given him plausible deniability that he intended for the riot to happen. And even if nobody believed it, it would still have looked like he was trying to clean up the mess. If you're the cause of a train wreck, trying to limit the damage is the best you can do.
Back at you.
That’s really the most thoughtful response you can come up with?
It's the most appropriate.
Ok so that really was the most thoughtful response you could come up with.
they listened to the overall speech, including the "fight like hell" part.
Seriously? Did he mention "targeting"?
Mister Bee, everybody knew what Trump meant, including himself, and including you. He's been constantly in the public eye for almost nine years now, and frequently for decades prior. We know what he means. His followers know what he means. I think even the press knows what he means even though they like to pretend like they don't.
We don't need you to (mis)interpret him for us.
"We don’t need you to (mis)interpret him for us."
Because you in your infinite wisdom knows what everybody knows.
No, me in my rather humble wisdom knows what everybody knows. After all, everybody knows, and everybody's not that smart. So either you're lying, or you're dumber than everybody.
From the believe it or not file:
Three years on the world's premiere law enforcement agency needs you help in finding out who placed the "pipe bombs" on Jan. 5.
From a story in the Washington Examiner this quote:
"The FBI said it has spent thousands of hours conducting interviews, following tips people have reported from the field, and reviewing physical and digital evidence in order to track down the individual(s) responsible.
“The tips we have received so far from the American people have helped us advance the investigation," David Sundberg, assistant director in charge of the FBI Washington Field Office, said in a statement. "We ask the public to continue to assist us by taking a fresh look at our Seeking Information webpage ... We urge anyone who may have previously hesitated to come forward or who may not have realized they had important information to contact us and share anything relevant."
Tips can be sent and submitted online at tips.fbi.gov or by calling 1-800-CALL-FBI (225-5324). Tips can be anonymous.
Tips can be anonymous because the FBI isn't competent enough to identify people.... 🙂
I don't know which is worse -- that they *can't* identify the perp, or that they refuse to. They have camera footage, etc...
They literally tracked him for miles through the surveillance cameras at the Capitol, identified the license plate of the car that picked him up, and STILL weren't able to figure out who he was.
Or, as Ed suggests, weren't willing to.
Are they still looking for the anthrax mailer? No, oh wait after hounding the wrong guy for years and having to pay him millions of dollars because of their actions they pinned the blame on a guy who offed himself, becuse you know it must have been him and closed the case.
J. Edgar must be smiling.
Fuck you you commie little prick -- may you someday know what an insurrection really looks like.
Your lefty friends will not save you on the wall.
Threats. Charming.
Sometimes, they just tell you what they're going to do.
We should believe them. And stock up on ammo.
Oh, fucking great. Now Calabresi has a dueling post up.
Love to stay and play but I've got to pop a few aspirin and go shovel the white shit off my walks.
How many January 6th defendants have been charged with insurrection? Trump was charged in his impeachment but found "not guilty" by the Senate.
For an supposed organized and heavily armed "insurrection", the insurrectionists forgot one thing. They forgot their firearms.
I think when we do have a violent and armed insurrection in this country instigated by those upset with the governance of the U.S., everyone will know it and there will be no disagreement nor nit-pic about legal definitions. The perpetrators will state their intentions loud and clear.
CindyF, for a reason you demonstrate—too much scope in the present charges for niggling over details you and other MAGAs refuse to learn—I continue to insist that it would have been wiser of the Justice Department to charge Trump with treason. The Burr treason case opinions set forth in meticulous detail criteria to define making war against the United States. Those make clear both that Burr was rightly found not guilty, and that Trump is justly chargeable. Folks who think otherwise almost always do so because they mistakenly think treason cannot be charged except in context of armies arrayed for battle. Those folks need to read the Burr opinions.
I assume you know nothing about any of that, and consider Trump innocent. In that case, you ought to back a superseding indictment for treason, a trial, and a jury verdict to find Trump as innocent as you insist he must be.
I do not know what such a verdict would be, but would be content with the trial itself. It would provide the starkest possible means to sort out details in a way which would command the attention of the largest fraction of Americans. I take that as the most important objective of pursuing justice in the Trump case.
A danger now is that at the end of legal proceedings, however they go, there will remain warring factions whose members were not actually engaged enough to pay attention. I do not think that would happen if the charge were treason.
Thus, even if Trump was found not guilty, a trial for treason would still create a better deterrent than anything the present charges can, whether or not Trump is convicted of those. If Trump was found guilty of treason, I would be fine with seeing him pardoned, so long as he remained ineligible to hold office thereafter. It would be a mistake to execute him.
I don't think it has escaped Trump's notice that any such prosecution indicted now would inevitably be delayed until after November 2024. If he can hold out until then, and win the presidency again, he will simply drop all the federal prosecutions and issue pardons to anyone who helped him.
And it is not even certain that any of his criminal trials will take place before the election.
The ballot disqualifications, while unsatisfactory from a justice perspective, do have a chance of actually being resolved before the elections.
Although I do not expect it, my probably vain hope is that a superseding indictment of Trump for treason would jolt the Supreme Court into imposing a pre-October trial date, timed to enable a verdict prior to the election.
I doubt that as a practical legal matter a treason trial would prove as complicated, or as lengthy, as any of the others for which Trump is now under indictment by the Justice Department. The evidence necessary would be pared to little more than a fraction of what is already publicly known about planning and execution of the January 6 Capitol incident. The testimony required would come almost entirely from Trump's close associates, and from law enforcement sources.
Of course, I'm no lawyer, and if legal experts correct me on that, I will probably prove easy to convince.
Yeah, that was pretty obvious from the post. (And, of course, all the others you've made.) SCOTUS doesn't get to "impose trial dates" at all.
Nieporent, can SCOTUS find a trial date unreasonable, or inconsistent with due process?
An order setting a trial date is not an appealable order. There is no mechanism by which SCOTUS can set a date. If the trial court set a date that was too soon, such that the defendant didn't have sufficient time to prepare, that could create an issue for appeal, but not for SCOTUS to just set a new date. (And that's the opposite of what you're suggesting.) If the trial court sets a date for December, no, SCOTUS can't find that unreasonable or inconsistent with due process.
"I continue to insist that it would have been wiser of the Justice Department to charge Trump with treason."
That's because you're an idiot. Treason is so hard to prove, constitutionally, that even solders who defect to the enemy in war don't get charged with it.
What's your overt act, and you have two witnesses?
Bellmore, the overt act is an attempt to overturn American constitutionalism, after losing an election. And to seize power by means of force and subterfuge.
Not counting the parts of that plot done publicly on television, with millions of witnesses, there were multiple conspiratorial meetings, to organize and plan the conspiracy. Those involved groups of witnesses, often numbering notably more than two at a time. Some of those meetings, in addition to being witnessed by people who have publicly delivered accounts, also produced corroborative documentation, some of which has also already been disclosed to the public.
That Trump intended a coup is already beyond reasonable legal doubt, no matter what those say who are either unfamiliar with the evidence, or who prefer to deny it. The denials would not withstand scrutiny in court. The case to prove the coup attempt is overwhelming.
Only one issue remains which might plausibly be litigated in a Trump treason trial. It is whether a President of the United States who attempted a coup, and purposefully organized violence to facilitate the coup plan, chose a course of conduct rightly chargeable as treason, instead of some other crime. Legal precedents strongly suggest Trump did commit treason. But conviction always requires either a confession or a trial.
So your argument is that it’s an insurrection if your narrative needs it to be. Cool, now do all the protests that illegally invaded various state capitols, police stations or other government buildings, doxxed and harassed sitting elected officials at their homes, etc. This gets dumber with every iteration. It was a riot.
And do you think they’ll stop at Trump? Lefties have been going on for years about all the other GOP reps who they claim sided with the “insurrectionists.” There have been calls to disqualify all of those people since Jan 7. There is definitely an attack against democracy going on.
I don't think it is incumbent upon Prof. Somin to "do all the protests that illegally invaded various state capitols, police stations or other government buildings, doxxed and harassed sitting elected officials at their homes, etc." That's on you. Go right ahead.
But if you don't, it probably means you don't believe your nonsense any more than anyone else does.
"A rising against civil or political authority; the open and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of a law in a city or state."
That definition of "insurrection" is so broad as to cover all sorts of activities. BLM riots? A rising against civil authority! I mean - even climate protesters blocking traffic? Open and active opposition to the execution of a law! Insurrection! Reee!
Incidentally, it would also include immigration activists helping illegal aliens to cross the border, or avoid detainment/deportation, or get jobs... And since Somin thinks direct action isn't required, just verbal support, advocating for such behavior also counts. Somin, the insurrectionist!
I have a lot of contempt for Somin's claims, but even his terrible arguments wouldn't buy that.
It is broad, but that is actually Calabresi's preferred definition, not Somin's.
"That definition of “insurrection” is so broad as to cover all sorts of activities."
A dictionary definition is broader than a legal definition? And you're surprised by that? Most people would say, "Well, duh.".
"BLM riots?"
I know this is a go-to paleocon phrase, but the mental contortions necessary to claim that protests against police brutality meet even the dictionary definition of insurrection are incomprehensible to most people. Exactly how do you get there?
Ri-i-i-ight. Trump exhorted his followers to "peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard", and when things got out of control, asked them to tone it down. Nobody but the murderous cops were armed. Yet, Mr. Somin thinks this qualifies as an "insurrection". The idiocy of this position could be measured in light-years.
Correct. From day one, nobody using the word "insurrection" about this event can be taken seriously.
Professor Shillya,
Were the BLM riots during the Summer of Love an insurrection?
Sincerely,
A Concerned Citizen Against Koch Propaganda
"Broad enough to encompass any violent resistance to the enforcement of a federal statute..."
So if insurrection requires violent resistance then where's the evidence that Trump violent resisted anything? There's none. You're arguing to keep Trump off the ballot because other people that aren't him were violent in his name.
The beauty of the insurrectionist ban on holding office is that it is perfectly consistent with the Constitution. States may banish a candidate from the ballot -- or not -- which (irrelevantly) produces great uncertainty for our unofficial and unhappy Duopoly.
Later, the states themselves remain free to throw out their presidential Electors if the state, or the Electors themselves, raise a late-breaking allegation of a candidate's or Elector's insurrectionist past.
The Electoral Count Act affirms this state of affairs, tho the safe harbor provision could again become pivotal as it did in Bush v Gore.
And through it all the 14th Amendment clearly reserves the final opportunity to reject an elected candidate to the federal government, as the amendment only blocks someone from holding office, not running for office. After all, 14A says insurrectionists cannot even be Electors. The Amendment gives the final voice to Congress, which can lift the insurrectionist label if it sees fit.
I see no reason to insist that this elaborate state-to-federal chain of progression created by the 14th Amendment should be incorporated against the states themselves -- federalized -- especially not by the action of the 14th Amendment itself. And to do so in the name of Democracy is a nice try, but it doesn't withstand any scrutiny.