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Defending Clarence Thomas from My Good Friend Steve Lubet
The best and most incorruptible Supreme Court Justice in U.S. History
My good friend from the Northwestern Pritzker School of Law faculty Steve Lubet has very politely, but firmly taken issue with my recent post on this Blog about Justice Clarence Thomas. Steve does "not question [my] assessment of Thomas's exceptional intellect." But he does question my assertion that Justice Thomas is the best of the 116 justices to have sat on the Supreme Court. I want to begin by defending that claim before turning to the ethics issues that Steve is troubled by.
First, I am not alone in thinking that Clarence Thomas is the best of the 116 Justices to ever serve on the Supreme Court. I am one of the three co-founders and the 40 year Co-Chairman of the Federalist Society's Board of Directors. The Society has 70,000 members nationwide, chapters at every law school in the country, lawyers chapters in every major city in the country, and a substantial presence on the federal judiciary. After forty years of attending thousands of Federalist Society gatherings, I have a pretty good sense of what Federalist Society members think. They adored the late Justice Antonin Scalia, but after Clarence Thomas had been on the Supreme Court for about ten years -- a frequent parlor game got started when Federalists got together. They would ask themselves who was right in those cases in which Justices Scalia and Thomas disagreed. The nearly unanimous answer was that Justice Thomas was right.
While Justice Scalia travelled all over the world and the United States giving speeches praising originalism and extolling its virtues, Justice Thomas worked in his office writing very consistent and powerful originalist opinions that started driving the Supreme Court in his direction. Some people said sadly as a joke that Justice Thomas had the courage of Justice Scalia's opinions. See Antonin Scalia, Originalism: The Lesser Evil, 57 U. Cinn. L. Rev. 849 (1988-1989) (arguing for faint hearted originalism that did not overturn major precedents). All too often, as in Gonzales v. Raich, 545 U.S. 1 (2005) a case about whether the federal government had power under the Commerce and Necessary and Proper Clauses, to prosecute a cancer patient for growing three medical marijuana plants in her kitchen, Justice Scalia was in the liberal majority for national power and Justice Thomas was in dissent along with Chief Justice Rehnquist and Justice Sandra Day O'Connor.
These episodes added up, and Justice Scalia served only twenty-nine years on the Supreme Court, while Justice Thomas is still going strong in his thirty-third year on the Supreme Court. I am not alone in thinking that Justice Thomas is the best of the 116 justices to have served on the Supreme Court today. Most Federalist Society members who I talk to think the same way. It is striking and a wonderful thing for the country that an overwhelmingly white group of conservative and libertarian lawyers would look up to a Black man as their personal hero. Many of the six Republican appointees on the current Supreme Court are beloved by the Federalist Society membership. The three Trump appointees fall in that category, but they have not been on the Court for long enough to form a reputation. Federalist Society members greatly admire Justice Alito, but they regret that he is not really an originalist and that he follows precedent over the text of the Constitution. Similar complaints are made about Chief Justice Roberts. Chief Justice Roberts is also seen as being too political and too concerned with public opinion about the Court. In my view, this is a form of corruption.
Well what about the justices who served from 1790 to 1986 when Justice Scalia joined the Supreme Court. William Rehnquist and Byron White are condemned by Federalist Society members as being just right-wing legal realists -- the right's copy of Justice William O. Douglas. The Berger Court is viewed as having been a wasteland of intellectual mediocrities including Chief Justice Burger and Justices Harry Blackmun, Louis Powell, Potter Stewart, and Sandra Day O'Connor. The left wing justices on that Court all embrace left wing legal realism from William Brennan to Thurgood Marshall to John Paul Stevens. The Warren Court clocks in at higher mental acuity, but the only Warren Court justice who is really admirable is Hugo L. Black and, on occasion, Earl Warren himself. Six of the nine members of the New Deal Court joined the opinion in Korematsu v. United States, so it is hard to be wildly enthusiastic about any of them.
The pre-New Deal Supreme Court draws some admiration, but other than Justice Willis Van Devanter, I cannot say I have any heroes on the Taft or Hughes Court except for Van Devanter and Hughes himself. The Supreme Court from Abraham Lincoln's Administration to the 1920's was filled with mediocrities who followed their policy judgments and not the law. The Supreme Court from 1790 to 1860 had thirty six justices of which only four -- two each appointed by John Adams and John Quincy Adams -- opposed slavery. The other thirty-two justices were appointed by slaveowner Presidents or northern dough-faces complicit in slavery. This reflects the advantage the three-fifths clause gave the South in the Electoral College. The South had a near monopoly on the presidency prior to 1861 and therefore on Supreme Court appointments. Hence such decisions as Prigg v. Pennsylvania, 41 U.S. 539 ( 1842) and Dred Scott v. Sanford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857).
The truth is that the vast majority, probably ninety percent of the justices who have served on the Supreme Court, have been disappointments. This is one reason why the current Court should follow the original public meaning of the text of the Constitution and not the morass of erroneous Supreme Court opinions interpreting it. So yes, I will stick my neck out and say that Clarence Thomas followed by Antonin Scalia are the best justices so far to have served on the Supreme Court. I have read hundreds of Justice Thomas's opinions, and they are all exquisitely crafted, methodologically consistent, and are written in his own distinctive authorial voice. He never caves in to popular opinion or worries about how the public will react to his rulings, but instead he follows the rule of law in case after case. Liberal law school professors ignore Justice Thomas's opinions and do not read them, so they miss the genius of his intellect. I do not always agree with Justice Thomas, but I always understand and respect why he came out the way he did in any given case.
Steve Lubet pokes fun at my argument that if Congress had adjusted the Supreme Court justice's salaries for inflation since 1969, they would now make $500,000 a year, and Thomas would need less help from his billionaire friends, but the point is simply true. Steve is right that Republican Congresses, as well as Democratic Congresses, are to blame for this this, but the facts are what they are. High salaries for government officials allow the poor to serve in government and not only the rich. There is a public interest in making it possible for someone like Thomas who grew up dirt poor, and then served in government for his whole life as a lawyer, to be able to live comfortably and be paid the salary of a law school Dean.
Precisely because Clarence Thomas has such a worked out originalist methodology for deciding cases, which he always follows he cannot be bribed and is not at all influenced by public opinion. That is why I say Clarence Thomas is incorruptible. He always as a judge does what is right. The fact that he has friends who are conservative billionaires irks leftist law professors who yearn for the days when swing justices like Potter Stewart, Lewis Powell, Sandra Day O'Connor, and Anthony M. Kennedy were all influenced by the Linda Greenhouse effect. They all compromised their principles to be in good standing with Ivy League law professors and the Georgetown cocktail party set. But, this is a form of corruption far more insidious than anything alleged about Clarence Thomas and his billionaire friends. Thomas was never bribed in his official actions by money, but Justices Powell, O'Connor; and Kennedy were, in effect, bribed by the Linda Greenhouse effect.
As to Justice Thomas's failure to disclose gifts, he asked what the policy was and was told by his colleagues not to worry about disclosing vacation travel or gifts to support his elderly mother or the boy he is raising who has been abandoned. Congress has no enumerated power to require the justices to disclose any gifts anyway. Such a law is not necessary and proper for carrying into execution the judicial power of the United States. Steven Gow Calabresi, Elise Kostial, Gary Lawson, What McCulloch v. Maryland got Wrong: The Original Meaning of "Necessary" is not "Useful," "Convenient," or "Rational", 75 Baylor Law Review 1 (2023).
Justice Thomas has lived a good life. He has exemplified the four classical Greek and Roman virtues of: 1) Courage; 2) Temperance; 3) Justice; and 4) Prudence. Justice Thomas is by far and away the bravest justice on the Supreme Court. He has been vilified for being the personal hero of the 70,000 member Federalist Society, and he has learned to live with it. Justice Thomas does not eat, drink, or travel to excess. He practices temperance. Justice Thomas is devoted to Justice. He has stuck a golden mean between selfishness and selflessness. And, finally, Justice Thomas exhibits prudence -- the ability to see ahead and to govern oneself and discipline oneself by the use of reason. Justice Thomas also lives out the three Christian Virtues of faith, hope, and love. He is the only justice who knows the names of every employee at the Supreme Court as well as what their struggles with children are. He is as beloved by the cafeteria workers, librarians, and police officers at the Supreme Court as he is by the 70,000 Federalist Society members. In a little more than four years, Clarence Thomas will replace William O. Douglas as the longest serving Supreme Court justice in American history. He has a record all Americans should be very proud of.
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Has Clarence Thomas ever, in his whole career, ruled against the wishes and/or recommendations of the Federalist Society? As far as I can see, his whole career has been a matter of pretending that the law is a textbook with practice-cases/problem-sets, with the "right" answers to be copied from the Federalist Society's position-statements instead of from the back of the book.
Hardly the sign of a great, or even an active, intellect.
Which specific wishes, recommendations and position statements do you refer to? Where are they enumerated so that the rest of us can evaluate your claim?
You and your stupid specifics, we all know why the (Un) Intelligent Mr. Toad (couldn't even keep Steve's 58 Chevy from getting stolen the first night he had it) doesn't like my Bro Clarence "Frogman" Thomas.
Frank
The Federalist Society doesn't take public policy positions of weigh in on a preferred legal outcome on cases, so I can say definitely that Clarence Thomas has never made a ruling in favor of a Federalist Society position.
But of course private policy positions are communicated to Supreme Court justices on luxury vacations.
Similar to the policy positions that other have received via their network of friends.
Receive policy positions from "friends" - maybe looks bad, depending on circumstances.
Receive policy positions, vacations, money and other perks from "friends" - definitely is bad, regardless of circumstances.
Leonard Leo being all "Who will rid me of these troublesome Supreme Court precedents?" doesn't make the Federalist Society free of policy positions.
Mr. Toad -
Since the Federalist society doesnt generally take positions ,. can you tell us which one of Thomas' opinions, dissents , concurring opinions follow the Federalist society's position statements?
FIFY “Did Ruth Bader Ginsburg ever, in her whole career, rule against the wishes and/or recommendations of the ACLU? As far as I can see, her whole career was a matter of pretending that the law is a textbook with practice-cases/problem-sets, with the “right” answers to be copied from the ACLU's position-statements instead of from the back of the book.
Hardly the sign of a great, or even an active, intellect.”
Frank
But no one claims that RBG's reputation for strong intellect depends on, or springs from, her rulings or actions on SCOTUS! She was a well-established brainiac before she was ever nominated for SCOTUS. Unlike Clarence Thomas.
(I miss David Souter.)
RBG was also well known for writing opinion based on her policy preferences
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Facile. Opinions you disagree with must be outcome-oriented.
A Justice's jurisprudence is informed by the kind of world the want to see, but it also informs that worldview.
Justices are chosen by a President with a policy outcome in mind based on their jurisprudence arrived at via the didactic above.
Ginsberg is no exception.
Alito is the exception, IMO he stands out for his shallow legal analysis and predictable, outcome-oriented positions.
Thomas does not stand out like that.
Though his ignoring precedent is stupid as hell (and not done consistently), it's a stupid as hell doctrine not ideology.
Sarcastr0 6 mins ago
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"Facile. Opinions you disagree with must be outcome-oriented.
A Justice’s jurisprudence is informed by the kind of world the want to see, but it also informs that worldview."
Sacastro - You hit the nail on the head as to why Ginsburg's opinions were often not based on the law.
The opinion should be based on the law as written, not as how the justice would want the law to be. The cases I cited are prime examples of Ginsburg's jurisprudence of policy preference first , adherence to the law second.
Joe, every single Justice has a worldview that informs their jurisprudence.
Every judge.
Every law professor
Every Internet commenter.
Except you.
You are the only pure sinless objective legal knower.
Sarcastr0 7 mins ago
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Joe, every single Justice has a worldview that informs their jurisprudence.
Every judge.
Yes Sarcastro - you get pissed when someone points out the fallacy of a judicial philosophy based on the left's policy preference.
Scalia, Thomas judicial philosophy based on originalism, textualism.
ginsburgs based on worldview of her policy preferences.
Scalia and Thomas have/had worldviews that align with their jurisprudence.
Just like everyone else.
Sarcastr0 17 mins ago Flag Comment Mute User Scalia and Thomas have/had worldviews that align with their jurisprudence. Just like everyone else.”
Sacastro – yes jurisprudence that aligns with originalism and textualism which is what is should be. Not based on a world view of her policy preferences which was articulated frequently by ginsberg and sotomayer.
You apparently have a major problem with originalism and textualism.
Neither Scalia nor Thomas are great shakes originalists, as Scalia would be the first to admit.
Ginsberg relied on the text of the Constitution all the time. And precedent of others what did the same. You don't argue policy and commanded a majority of the Burger Court as a litigator in Craig v. Boren.
No, what's happening here is they align with *your* policy preferences.
You therefore deem their jurisprudence awesome and originalist and textualist and other words you associate with good but don't really seem to really bother with supporting.
You're cargo culting.
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"Ginsberg relied on the text of the Constitution all the time."
Sacastro - not even close in the cases I cited.
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Shuette was especially egregious, Granted dissent written by sotomayer, but joining a dissent that said it was unconstitutional for the state to pass an amendment requiring compliance with the 14th amendment of the US Constitution.
Hey Tom -
An opinion can be wrong without being illegitimate.
You and Joe have failed to engage with the substance of reasoning at all. It is as though someone told you not even what to think, just what to feel, and you're commenting based on that.
Wikipedia does a better job than you do. And they are not great on Supreme Court dissents.
Justice Sotomayor filed a dissent, joined by Justice Ginsburg
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She invokes the political-process doctrine, recognized in Hunter v. Erickson (1969) and Washington v. Seattle School District (1982), whereby "[w]hen the majority reconfigures the political process in a manner that burdens only a racial minority, that alteration triggers strict judicial scrutiny."
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In the dissent, Sotomayor notably paraphrased Chief Justice John Roberts's majority opinion in Parents Involved in Community Schools v. Seattle School District No. 1, writing that "The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to speak openly and candidly on the subject of race, and to apply the Constitution with eyes open to the unfortunate effects of centuries of racial discrimination."
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I do wish Sotomayor was better on laying out doctrine, but don't pretend she's purely outcome oriented.
Also she's not Ginsberg.
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"Hey Tom –
An opinion can be wrong without being illegitimate. - "
Without being illegitimate - Like dred scott?
Shuette was egregious - Granted dissent written by sotomayer, but joining a dissent that said it was unconstitutional for the state to pass an amendment requiring compliance with the 14th amendment of the US Constitution.
I agree that Sotomayer used several precedents to justify her argument that it was unconstitutional for a state pass an amendment to require compliance with 14A of the US constitution.
The dissent remains egregious no matter how much lipstick she puts on a dissent.
She misquote Roberts " the way to stop discrimation ....." to argue that it is unconstitutional to ban discrimination. Yet you defend her argument as if it is justifies her dissent
No one here was talking about Dred Scott, don't be a weirdo.
"I agree that Sotomayer used several precedents to justify her argument that it was unconstitutional for a state pass an amendment to require compliance with 14A of the US constitution.
The dissent remains egregious no matter how much lipstick she puts on a dissent."
Haha. So it acts like a legal argument, but you don't like the outcome so fuck it.
Tom, you're the cartoon of a policy-oriented living constitutionalist that you claim to hate. Your analysis has no analysis to it, only repetition, outcome orientedness, and bile.
It's pretty funny, actually.
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"Haha. So it acts like a legal argument, but you don’t like the outcome so fuck it."
SO - thats your typical display of maturity!
Of course I dont like her dissent - Her legal analysis boiled down to arguing that it was unconstitutional for a state to require compliance with the 14th amendment to the US constitution.
Yet you think that legal reasoning is OK?
No, that is not what her legal analysis boiled down to.
That's a talking point. You and Tom have nigh-identical ones.
If you want to discuss legal analysis *discuss legal analysis* the cases cited, the arguments used. You've done none of that. As I said, Wikipedia blows you out of the water.
Also, there is a difference between not liking analysis and declaring it illegitimate and not legally-based. That's the accusation being made against Ginsberg for merely signing onto this Sotomayor opinion.
"no one claims that RBG’s reputation for strong intellect depends on, or springs from, her rulings or actions on SCOTUS!"
Duh, because she left nothing behind her. No one will ever study any of her opinions except for fangirls who bought her bobblehead.
Her contribution to jurisprudence was conning Roberts on Obamacare and enabling Dobbs.
No one will ever study any of her opinions except for fangirls who bought her bobblehead.
Could as easily be said of Thomas.
Ginsberg actually did create a legal movement, just not as Justice.
Craig v. Boren is her banger.
That will be taught for ages, with her name attached.
Lawyers who won cases don't usually get discussed when cases are studied.
I was discussing her S/C impact as justice in any event so nice non sequitur.
Not usually, but like Marshall she did more than argue a single case; she created a litigation strategy that shaped a jurisprudential sea change.
And yes, that is naturally discussed as part of her legacy on the Court, just like Marshall.
Craig v. Boren is not Brown and the ability to buy beer is not akin to Jim Crow education.
The ERA was sent to the states in 1972, the sea change had already occurred without Ruthie, she just floated in its wake.
Do you dust your bobblehead weekly?
Craig v. Boren stands for the application of EPC to gender.
It's not just about beer, Bob. Nor was it about ERA.
Her strategy of first looking at EPC violations as applied to men was smart. Her incrementalism is still being debated today.
One sign she will be remembered is how much randos like you spend a lot of energy saying she's nothing.
As I have pointed out before, Thomas was the youngest justice and had the thinnest resume of any justice appointed to the court - since William O. Douglas.
Its not surprising a 40 year old like Douglas, or a 43 year old like Thomas, would not have near the legal resume when appointed as a 60 year old like Ginsburg.
"Did Ruth Bader Ginsburg ever, in her whole career, rule against the wishes and/or recommendations of the ACLU?"
Quite a lot, yes, especially on 1A and 4A cases. You're blithering.
An obvious example would be Citizens United, where the ACLU (yes, right wingers) supported Citizens United's free speech rights, while Ginsburg voted in dissent to uphold the campaign finance law's application to the organization.
This hagiography could only be improved by the liberal use of the word, "bestest".
I came here to use the word "hagiography." You beat me to it.
"The law [and Clarence Thomas] is like the killy-loo bird, a creature that insisted on flying backward because it didn't care where it was going but was mightily interested where it had been."
-Prof. Fred Rodell, Yale L.S.
This guy struggles with standard English. Affirmative action for conservatives might explain his position on the Northwestern faculty. He needs an editor.
Don't be so bigoted against retards who are stroking out.
You're stroking out? hadn't noticed.
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"Don’t be so bigoted against retards who are stroking out."
A typically mature comment from Randal
Do strokes commonly focus on commas, capitalization, and sentence structure?
He definitely had a stroke in the contractions lobe. Either that or he’s trying to impersonate Data for some reason.
Grammar is the last refuge of the Scoundrel. I just made that up myself.
The random capitalization was a nice touch.
Why do conservatives disdain standard English?
It's called Progress, same reason you don't see any high jumpers doing the Western Roll or Straddle anymore.
These are your fans and defenders, Volokh Conspirators . . . and the reason you should be preparing to depart strong, modern, reasoning campuses and faculties.
You'll likely always have the conservative-controlled hayseed factories as landing pads, however -- or maybe a Hoover Institution, Heritage Foundation, or Focus on the Family will take you.
"A lot of people in my club like his rulings, therefore he is incorruptible" is not exactly the sort of inference I would expect from a serious academic. It's a non-sequitor; a broken piece of logic that an average high school child would recognize as a bad argument.
Much like someone who apparently reads only a third of the thing they respond to, I suppose.
Which part of the other two thirds of the OP do you believe contradicts his characterization of the argument made?
Nowhere in the OP does the logic that Drewski describes appear. It's quite easy to follow. Drewski obviously isn't capable of high school reading comprehension. And neither are you, if you think the same.
Ooh, sick burn! The entire second paragraph of the OP fits his characterization.
You're right, Drewski only really responded to one out of 11 paragraphs, ignoring the various detailed commentary on specific cases and the relative merits (independent of any Fed Soc popularity) of historical justices.
What was your question again?
Gosh, a troll trolls. I am slain.
Yup, this explains so much. I didn't previously know that Calabresi was a cofounder of the federalist society. The federalist society is the same organization where J Thomas met his billionaire benefactors. Obviously, Fed Soc leadership is a biased source in discussing J Thomas's ethics and corruption. The author probably should have discussed this connection with Thomas in prior articles.
I'd say the hallmark of a great judge is one who writes an opinion with a holding that is disagreed with but still the logic holds up. For example, conservatives might disagree with a lot of J Scalia's opinions on the 4th - 6th amendments as they seemingly support the rights of criminal defendants and make law enforcement's jobs more difficult. But the rationale is solidly based on the text of the Constitution. Unfortunately, Scalia also had a lot of opinions, such as Heller, where he just made up history to support an opinion.
History will remember Thomas for accepting lavish gifts, having an insurrectionist provoking wife, and being the sole dissenter in cases involving Trump, while the rest of the court struggles to preserve the union.
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Adasurdum - Are you going to argue that Stevens didnt make up history in his Heller dissent? After all, Stevens implied that there was zero historical record of any discussion of the right to self defense or the British confiscation of guns circa early 1770's had no bearing on 2A.
This is tu quoque.
Scalia didn't always claim to be an originalist, but when he rolled originalist he sure did appeal to his own authority. And yet when the did he was absolutely as outcome oriented as anyone this side of Douglas.
Seems somewhere between silly and obviously untrue. You can argue he didn't always follow through, but Scalia clearly felt constrained by originalism. Look to Alito if you want to see what conservative judging looks like without those constraints.
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The struggle will end when better Americans enlarge the Court.
That improvement will precipitate plenty of whining from conservatives, Republicans, and the Federalist Society, but I doubt better Americans will devote much attention to the lamentations of half-educated bigots and superstition-addled hayseeds from can't-keep-up backwaters.
Federalist Society members are the disaffected, disrespected misfits on nearly every — if not every — modern American campus.
As opposed to members of Students for Justice in Palestine, who are beloved by all, especially the administration, who'll go to any lengths on their behalf.
compare:
https://www.campusreform.org/article/university-apologizes-for-highlighting-conservative-group-after-students-insist-its-racist-sexist-fascist/15123
How embarrasing for everyone that a conservative group turned out to be racist and sexist and fascist. Who could have seen that coming.
What, PRECISELY, was the racist or sexist or fascist thing they did or supported?
Being conservative.
Both groups are infested with racists and have ideologies that attract them. So do a lot of groups! The one we're talking about today is the Federalist Society.
I have read hundreds of Justice Thomas’s opinions, and they are all exquisitely crafted, methodologically consistent, and are written in his own distinctive authorial voice. He never caves in to popular opinion or worries about how the public will react to his rulings, but instead he follows the rule of law in case after case…. Precisely because Clarence Thomas has such a worked out originalist methodology for deciding cases, which he always follows.…
Obviously you haven’t read Bruen, in which Thomas invents a whole new “History & Tradition” methodology in order to reach FedSoc’s desired result and continue the march away from the original meaning of the Second Amendment begun by Scalia in Heller.
Bruen is exactly the case I would cite, as exemplary of Thomas’s jurisprudence.
Steve-O is trying to support the claim that Thomas is just the bestest justice ever, due to his commitment to his originalist convictions. Historically, that has been a commitment that has been easy for Thomas to maintain, since he’s never had a problem writing a wacky dissent or concurrence expounding on his own pet theory, without feeling any need to build consensus or reach compromise. But now he has allies on the court, seniority among the conservative bloc, and really no fucks left to give.
So we’ve now seen what happens when we give extremist like Alito and Thomas the pen. From Alito, we get ends-motivated, activist rulings that play fast and loose with the rules and guardrails that have been essential for the court’s legitimacy. From Thomas, we get these wackadoodle opinions that quickly hit snags, as lower courts split on whether to follow them to the letter and the Court itself seems reluctant to follow the full implications of his opinions to where they lead.
Bruen shows us exactly why Thomas is not a great justice. That opinion will quickly be cabined by the Court; it will spawn doctrinal incoherence as lower courts try to square practical need with its categorical prescriptions; its “originalist” approach will jut out from the Court’s entire constitutional jurisprudence, much of which has never been so closely bound to “originalist” reasoning. It may take a generation, but I am sure it is ultimately bound for the Lochner and Korematsu treatment – an embarrassing misstep by a plainly corrupt justice kept in place by dysfunctional politics.
At least we have Alito's new Egregiously Wrong Doctrine for when the time comes.
Absolutely. You nailed it on Bruen. And this isn't ragging on conservative jurisprudence-- it's possible to write a Bruen opinion that reaches the same result without being doctrinally incoherent. But Thomas couldn't write that opinion, because he isn't a good Supreme Court Justice who tries to make doctrine work, but a bad one who has a bunch of simplistic ideas fixes and who doesn't care about the development of the law.
So here you say he is bad because he got a majority for his view but down thread he is bad because he cannot get a majority for his views.
Neat!
He got a majority in the sense that they gave him the opinion, but as Simon points out, they are going to riddle it with exceptions and maybe even alter or overturn it on fairly short order. He wrote something profoundly dumb that doesn't work as doctrine.
The comparison on the Left would be Douglas in Griswold. They gave him the opinion, he wrote something idiotic (as if the right to privacy depended on strained analogies to the Third Amendment and such), and in future cases, the Court just ignored it and used different tests. Douglas, you see, was not a good justice.
Obviously you have never read Brush which puts puts the text of second amendment at the forefront of the methodology:
“In keeping with Heller, we hold that when the Second Amendment’s plain text covers an individual’s conduct, the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct. To justify its regulation, the government may not simply posit that the regulation promotes an important interest. Rather, the government must demonstrate that the regulation is consistent with this Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation.”
To put it more simply, so you can understand it, if the governments regulation does infringe (violate) the actual text of the second amendment, the court will still allow it if the regulation is shown to be an allowed infringement at the founding.
But clearly the core of the methodology is the text. And the text says “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”. That is an imperative statement. The preface is merely a policy statement of why the first Congress thought it was a federal interest that the preexisting right it should not be infringed.
*tries to defend Bruen on originalist grounds*
*immediately makes a non-originalist argument*
So it goes, so it goes.
One would think that the interpretation given to the plain text would advance the policy statement. But the Heller / Bruen line has no trouble allowing infringement that impairs militias. Their only concerns are armed self-defense and hunting (?), which get imported out of nowhere (probably emanating from a penumbra), and which themselves are obviously just feints to allow them to reach their desired outcomes of pleasing FedSoc types without much changing the status quo… hence the (again textually unfounded) emphasis on access to already-commonly-available weapons, no more, no less. (Imagine if our First Amendment jurisprudence similarly protected the free speech of common ideas, but not uncommon or novel ones. Retarded.)
"But the Heller / Bruen line has no trouble allowing infringement that impairs militias."
I've never seen a sentence that shows so conclusively a total incomprehension of the constitution.
Nothing in the 2nd amendment contradicts or repeals Congress' existing power to do whatever they want with or to militias:
Article 1 Section 8:
"To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws
of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the
Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be
employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to
the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers,
and the Authority of training the Militia according to the
discipline prescribed by Congress;"
They could make laws calling for "organizing, arming, and disciplining" so onerous as to destroy the militia completely. They could require 4 hours training a day, require every company to provide their own tank and artillery and financially ruin them.
And nothing you claim with your ridiculous interpretation of the 2nd amendment gives Congress any power article 1 doesn't already.
Uh huh. So the explicitly stated purpose of the Second Amendment is invalidated by Article 1 Section 8, even though the amendment came later... and amended things. Real smart Kazinski! For sure they passed an amendment that was immediately unsuited to its purpose.
The explicitly stated purpose of the 2nd amendment is ensuring the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
There really isn't a coherent rationale for a second amendment that protects the right to have militias, without explicitly repealing the article 1 militia clause, which the second amendment certainly does not do.
Its just a ridiculous, and failed, attempt to assert the 2nd says something other than what it most assuredly says.
Its just a ridiculous, and failed, attempt to assert the 2nd says something other than what it most assuredly says.
At least you have self-awareness. Couldn't have said it better myself.
What part of Bruen was a new history and tradition?
here is a link to assist you in finding a passage in the opinion that supports your claim
https://www.oyez.org/cases/2021/20-843
Or do you prefer the living constitution as your guide
You mean the bit that says: "We assessed the lawfulness of that handgun ban by scrutinizing whether it comported with history and tradition?"
Read Halbrook's book on the history of guns in the US during colonial times. Then perhaps you will understand history and tradition. You might also forward a copy to Lathrop so that he can understand historical research.
Joe, you asked: "What part of Bruen was a new history and tradition?"
You then condiscentdingly linked to the opinion.
I pointed to the text of the opinion that says exactly that.
Now you're off on some other bullshit about what I don't understand.
Galloping away from your previous nonsense could be avoided if you took the effort to post better.
History and tradition means history and tradition.
I linked the opinion and I referenced Halbrooks book which documents what was history and tradition during the colonial period.
Were you agreeing with Randal's claim of a new concept of history and tradition?
If So , then you need to read Halbrooks book
If you were disagreeing with Randal claim of a new concept , why were you replying to my comment instead of Randal's?
Joe, you asked: “What part of Bruen was a new history and tradition?”
Seems like alluva sudden now you know and are super duper into it.
In reality, of course, citing a single book as a reference as though it solves that kind of inquiry is shallow and convienient thinking.
I don't pretend to have an opinion on the issue of what it means. I don't mind much Heller - I think there is an individual right to self defense which includes keeping and bearing.
But beyond that I will wait until the judiciary turns this 'history and tradition' mush into a workable doctrine. I expect it to be a while.
What an embarrassing fail Sarcastro. They really should let you edit comments for more than 5 minutes so you could clean that up.
I don't even have to go look at the opinion to know that Thomas is referring to the Heller opinion when he said "We assessed..", which of course is past tense.
Pro tip: look for "We hold.." for new stuff.
Nobody said thar SCOTUS has never before discussed history or tradition.
But Bruen is where it became, in Thomas's words, an "explicit" doctrine.
Sarcastro:
"Joe, you asked: “What part of Bruen was a new history and tradition?”
And Sarcastro quotes a section recapping a decision from 15 years ago.
What WAS new in Bruen was making the Heller test the explicit test that was required and invalidating the competing interests balancing test.
No, I was where Randal had me, not where you put me.
Bruen's whole test was new.
Judge Thomas's 3 sentence opinion in Davis v. Ayala, 576 U.S. 257 (2015) should get him in the HOF of Surpremes (I know there's not a Surpreme HOF, but if there was, he'd be in it)
" I join the Court’s opinion explaining why Ayala is not entitled to a writ of habeas corpus from this or any other federal court. I write separately only to point out, in response to the separate opinion of Justice Kennedy, that the accommodations in which Ayala is housed are a far sight more spacious than those in which his victims, Ernesto Dominguez Mendez, Marcos Antonio Zamora, and Jose Luis Rositas, now rest. And, given that his victims were all 31 years of age or under, Ayala will soon have had as much or more time to enjoy those accommodations as his victims had time to enjoy this Earth."
Frank
This tells me all I need to know about Mr. Lubet
From his Official Northwestern Biography “He was once interviewed by Stephen Colbert for a segment on The Daily Show with John Stewart (in the early days, before they had important guests).”
Wait! there’s more
"His satirical commentaries have been heard on National Pubic Radio’s Morning Edition."
Frank
Thomas cannot even be an originalist. His writing gives no inkling that he has any capacity to practice historical research, or to write about history and tradition. Thomas is a corrupt quack of a justice. He ought to be impeached and removed from the Court.
Given that, Calabresi’s OP is best read as evidence to distrust and despise the Federalist Society. And to scorn Calabresi as an incompetent advocate for originalism.
It is unwise publishing policy to afford Calabresi continuing authorial access to the VC.
Pot, kettle.
Let's see, Ad Homo attacks, check, starting sentence with "And" (I know it's "Grammatically Correct", which is why Grammar is bullshit), and then the Pee Wee Herman retort at the end (only missing the "LALALALALALA")
Frank
Great thing about blogs, no publisher needed.
Kazinski, internet utopian.
Stephen Lathrop, obsolete and bitter about it.
Lathrop - considering that your definition of proper historical analysis consists of ignoring any historical writings discussing the right to keep and bear arms for the common defense and self defense ....
Joe_dallas, why lie about stuff I wrote that everyone reading this has already seen?
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Joe_dallas, why lie about stuff I wrote that everyone reading this has already seen?"
Lathrop - you make repetitive comments about proper historical analysis, especially about 2A, yet both you and Stevens in the Heller dissent, intentionally ignore well documented historical writings that are contrary to your version in proper historical analysis. Halbrook has extensive citations that contradict your version of historical events, yet your choice is to pretend they dont exist.
Are you really claiming that originalism makes all court cases easy questions? The constitution and law never has an unclear text/original public meaning? If not in what sense is Thomas therefore incorruptible because of his judicial philosophy?
And if Thomas is such a towering mind why didn’t he realize that taking these trips w/o reporting them, even if not technically a violation of existing standards, might create a perception of corruption and undermine both his cause and the court’s legitimacy?
And he may have been raised poor but he’s now a multimillionaire so the idea that he needs to accept gifts of private jet flights just to get along is absurd. Plenty if justices endured hardships so if he’s really the best why can’t he suffer in a first class commercial seat for the benefit of avoiding the appearance of impropriety?
Finally, surely you realize that other justices have philosophies that do value things like precedent so all your saying there is you agree with Thomas not making an argument to persuade others he’s the best (if I said Obama was the best president bc Obamacare was the best law ever would I persuade you?).
Ohh and ofc you guys admire a black man — you aren’t overt racists who would rather hate black people despite the obviously better look of those opinions coming from a black man.
If this didn't show that you're a bad-faith troll:
this part removed all doubt:
Truly, the nutty left is not sending its best or brightest.
If you take pro public's word for it, Thomas is pretty typical of the Justices, here are Sotomayor and Thomas for example listing their data, much more detail at the link below. Is Sotomayor corrupt too?
Sonia Sotomayor
Associate justice since Aug. 8, 2009
306 Connections
$1.6M – $6.6M Investments (2022)
13 Gifts
156 Reimbursements
Clarence Thomas Associate justice since Oct. 23, 1991
286 Connections
$1.2M – $2.7M Investments (2022)
10 Gifts
147 Reimbursements
https://projects.propublica.org/supreme-connections/
1) What's not reported? Thomas has a reporting problem - the issues have all come out via reporters, not through his self-reporting.
2) This is the number of gifts; it does not indicate the amounts, nor who from. Which are the showstoppers re: Thomas.
IOW to anyone paying attention to the issues, these are useless numbers.
If Thomas reported his stuff, rather than being an entitled ass, I suspect there would be some legit parallels to speaking at law schools, etc. to make. But we can't do that because Thomas is too fancy for that.
Dont let your hatred consume your ability to think rationally
Justice Thomas has repeatedly admitted (after other revealed omissions) refraining from reporting receipts of things of value; he has amended his reports repeatedly.
Justice Thomas has provided vague, unverifiable excuses for his repeated failures. No one, so far as I am aware, has pressed him with respect to his claims or tested them.
Justice Thomas has been similarly dismissive of issues related to his wife's income and activities.
Justice Thomas knowingly circulated misleading accounts of his circumstances, sometimes relying on organized supporters to publish disingenuous accounts of Justice Thomas' actions and circumstances.
Endorsing Justice Thomas' flouting of ethical standards and obligations is part of the Volokh Conspiracy's paltry partisan polemics.
You got a counterargument, or just gonna make accusations?
in your case, its valid
Your telepathy does not impress.
Propublica is the reporting outlet that uncovered the Thomas trips and relationship with Harlan Crow, so they would have at least what's been uncovered.
But what makes you think that Sotomayors reporting is more thorough than Thomas's.
I'll tell you one thing, she doesn't receive near as much scrutiny. But for the information available she isn't much different than Thomas despite the fact she has received a few more gifts and a few more reimbursed travel junkets.
But what makes you think that Sotomayors reporting is more thorough than Thomas’s.
Thomas got caught not reporting.
Sotomayor has not, to my knowledge, had that issue.
I did not think Thomas had a disclosure issue until he was caught not disclosing. I extend that assumption to the other Justices as well.
I’ll tell you one thing, she doesn’t receive near as much scrutiny.
You can think stuff, doesn't make it right.
Thomas only got scrutiny once he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
After that it appears reporters are combing over all the Justice's finances as best they can. Both Sotomayor and Alito have had their issues on that front.
sotomayer receives $3.98m in book royalties since 2000
Thomas receives $1,5m from book royalties during same time period
Yeah, everyone is talking about Thomas' book royalties issues.
Oh, wait, no they aren't.
You're cherry picking. Blatantly. In an attempt to tu quoque. Which is itself a fallacy.
Who sold more books, and to whom?
Sotomayer obviously wrote a banger of a book compared to Thomas.
It's by no means obvious that Sotomayor's book is better, however one measures that, but from 2000-present Sotomayor's story is much fresher news than Thomas's, even if whatever they wrote is of similar quality. Which suggests, and possibly explains, greater sales.
Book promotion/sales is both an art and a science, too, though. They're mad at Sotomayer because whoever handles that for her is good at their job?
I'll say its an "art":
"In 2019, as Sotomayor traveled the country to promote her new children’s book, “Just Ask!,” library and community college officials in Portland, Oregon, jumped at the chance to host an event.
They put in long hours and accommodated the shifting requests of Sotomayor’s court staff. Then, as the public cost of hosting the event soared almost tenfold, a Sotomayor aide emailed with a different, urgent concern: She said the organizers did not buy enough copies of the justice’s book, which attendees had to purchase or have on hand in order to meet Sotomayor after her talk.
“For an event with 1,000 people and they have to have a copy of Just Ask to get into the line, 250 books is definitely not enough,” the aide, Anh Le, wrote staffers at the Multnomah County Library. “Families purchase multiples and people will be upset if they are unable to get in line because the book required is sold out.”
https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-sotomayor-book-sales-ethics-colleges-b2cb93493f927f995829762cb8338c02
Yeah, that's it. Lots of authors would give their souls for someone that effective.
Nige Bot doesn't understand meaning of "Banger"
Has anyone noticed that none of our Surpremes of Color, Thoroughly Bad Marshall, Clarence "Frogman" Thomas, and Ka-grungy Jackson Brown had/have Afro-Amurican Spouses? Maybe that's why Ka-grungy can't tell a Schlong from a Gash (You know Mrs. Clarence Thomas can)
Frank
Probably not, and for good reason.
Just want to note that Calabresi is yet another conservative legal academic fawning over Thomas that doesn’t teach professional responsibility.
Thanks Mr. Obvious
When will the movement start to elevate Claudine (Steve Urkel; "did I do that") Gay to the Supreme Court?
Look, I really like Thomas, but this sort of thing is usually reserved for obituaries. And he's not dead yet.
Thomas is not consistent. If he were you could predict how he would come out in the non hot-button cases. You cannot.
That’s not unusual, nor is it bad. The main Justice with a predictable and consistent doctrine is Alito. And he’s a tool.
But this is just unsupported nonsense.
No Justice is 100% consistent. That has never happened. Your point is moot.
More interestingly, nor can it. When trying to meet twin goals of logic and precedence in a formal system, the inconsistency is baked in.
Take it up with the OP:
While Justice Scalia travelled all over the world and the United States giving speeches praising originalism and extolling its virtues, Justice Thomas worked in his office writing very consistent and powerful originalist opinions that started driving the Supreme Court in his direction.
I have read hundreds of Justice Thomas's opinions, and they are all exquisitely crafted, methodologically consistent, and are written in his own distinctive authorial voice.
Scalia didn't even claim to be a consistent originalist. He called himself a "faint hearted" originalist.
Originalism: The Lesser Evil
The arguments of consistency are in general only useful as club to beat political opponents over the head. To use Sarcastro's tactic, you scream about your opponents being inconsistent and change the subject when your own inconsistencies are discussed.
The point I was making is a bit deeper. Law is the retarded sibling of mathematics. They do the best they can, but the failure modes are built in. We have known since Bertrand Russell that if you introduce contradiction into a formal system, any result is possible. Bertrand's proof that he is Pope comes to mind. In law rather than remove the contradictions, they paper over them with precedence, but in the underlying logic, the problem remains. Thus, everyone wants to divide by zero to get the result they desire and then freeze the system with precedence to prevent their political opponents from doing the same.
So the part where I said 'That’s not unusual, nor is it bad,' is that the screaming tactic?
Hint: my criticism here isn't directed at Thomas.
Sarcastro's technique is indistinguishable from a baby throwing shit on a wall.
And you're just another sad, disaffected, unprincipled right-wing culture war casualty awaiting replacement.
By your betters.
Yes - the completely consistent in the face of hard questions are tunnelvision zealots I don't want judging anything.
Scalia laid out a doctrine and then explained why he didn't completely follow it. I don't much like his doctrine, but I can't deny how effective he was.
Thomas doesn't lay out a doctrine. He doesn't explain when or why he's inconsistent. He doesn't try and engage with his colleagues. He sometimes engages with precedent, sometimes he doesn't, sometimes he pretends dissents are precedential. He has, at best, an ideology.
Thomas is very good at statutory analysis.
He used originalism when it agreed with his biases and not when it didn't
Nope. Thomas has no notion what it means to be present minded, despite having a head filled with nothing else. That makes him incapable of originalism, even when it agrees with his biases.
Lathrop still isn't the gatekeeper of what historical research consists of.
I think the best legal takes come from people who aren't clear on the difference between "precedent" and "precidence."
Well he actually does spend a fair amount of words (for a blog post) supporting his assertion.
But I certainly hope his legal biography is on its way. That's something we should all look forward to.
It's wild to find you arguing a fair number of words means an assertion is supported.
Well I'm convinced.
What more do you want?
How embarrassing.
I want a better life than living in an off-the-grid hermit shack as an antisocial, disaffected culture war casualty seething about all of this damned progress and modernity.
How about you, clinger?
? Notably, Alito cast the deciding pro-defendant vote in Yates v. United States, 574 U.S. 528 (2015).
Maples v. Thomas, 565 U.S. 266 (2012): Alito concurs in excusing procedural default in a capital habeas case where the defendant was actually abandoned by his appointed counsel. Scalia and Thomas dissent.
Flowers v. Mississippi, 139 S. Ct. 2228 (2019): Alito concurs in finding that Mississippi violated Batson in a capital case due to the prosecutor's clear pattern of striking black jurors over all of the attempted retrials. Thomas dissents joined by Gorsuch.
Au contraire. Thomas brought about the most pro-defendant ruling in history: Apprendi v. New Jersey. I'll always give the corrupt SOB props for that one
This guy must have been an affirmative action hire -- the token clinger at Northwestern law. Or maybe he had family connections.
On the other hand, that is the level of scholarship regular readers of the Volokh Conspiracy have come to expect from this white, male, disaffected, right-wing blog.
This verges on the pathological.
Yeah, lots of conservative not libertarian - lawyers like Thomas, but that has nothing to do with his intellect, nor the quality of his decisions or dissents, nor consistency of opinion.
Read his stunning dissent here.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/19-1261_g3bh.pdf
You got me with that one. I actually went through it expecting to find something more than, "Justice Thomas dissents."
"stunning dissent"
Every justice occasionally dissents without opinion.
Rarely, though. And in this kind of a case - involving QI, which supposedly Thomas abhors - one might expect Thomas to say something. Also, it's not the kind of thing one might expect from "the greatest justice in SC history".
He did say something, he dissented.
Maybe he was busy writing something else? Or had the flu?
You just hate him so normal things are bad.
You'd think the greatest justice in history would recognize the need to unanimously join the opinion summarily reversing the Fifth Circuit given the facts of the case and the lower court's egregious conclusion.
Your zealous defending of Thomas makes you look almost as stupid as Calabresi.
How dishonest can you get?
Its a per curiam decision where nobody wrote separately.
And that was late 2020, just 5 months earlier he wrote 6 or 7 pages of dissent in denial of cert in Baxter, saying the court should revisit its qualified immunity doctrine, and he notes he's written before on the subject:
"I have previously expressed my doubts about our qualified immunity jurisprudence. See Ziglar v. Abbasi, 582
U. S. ___, ___–___ (2017) (THOMAS, J., concurring in part
and concurring in judgment) (slip op., at 2–6). Because our
§1983 qualified immunity doctrine appears to stray from
the statutory text, I would grant this petition."
And he wrote expressing doubts on QI in Ziglar in 2017. How many times should he write on the same subject? At this point in time when he dissents from granting QI his grounds are clear.
Alito wrote separately.
He disagrees with QI as a doctrine, but dissents in a summary reversal of a decision granting QI? On those egregious facts? How does that make sense? That kind of inconsistency is not the sign of a great justice.
Fine. Criticize him for that but don't claim because he dissented without writing in that case, where nobody else wrote except the per curiam and Alito, that it shows a lack of intellect as SRG2 is claiming.
I don't know about a general lack of intellect. But it is intellectually lazy to do that. Especially considering the dumb shit he constantly writes in other cases super unnecessarily.
Um, he didn't dissent from granting QI here. He dissented from not granting it. Surely he could explain why this case doesn't meet his standard.
Are there specific opinions a lay person could look to as exemplifying the intellect, originaliam, etc., the OP proclaims?
I remember being very impressed by his opinion in one of the two great Second Amendment cases (don't recall which one):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._City_of_Chicago
its thomas's concurring opinion in mcdonald, especially the analysis of P&I clause
In other words, Thomas's masturbation that had nothing to do with the actual issue in the case and did not affect the outcome impressed the rubes like Joe_dallas.
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Well, no need to take the time to look it up!
It's not like I'm getting paid to do this...
Nothing in this post dispels my belief that he's having ChatGPT (or one of its competitors) write these posts as an experiment.
It really does continue to have that flavor, doesn’t it?
No, it does not. If there's one thing ChatGPT's good at it's grammar.
This stuff would have a hard time in a high school English class.
Calabresi is a long-serving legal academic. If there's one thing he's good at, it's grammar.
Steve Calibrisi proposes the following order of causality
Justice Thomas has rich friends who give him cool stuff.
But Justice Thomas has great opinions, opinions that are sinilar to ones he had before his rich friends.
Justice Thomas’ opinions are so obviously great, and so consistent with the ones he had before he met them, that he couldn’t have been influenced by his rich friends’ gifts.
Therefore, Justice Thomas is incorruptible .
Consider the following alternative causality:
Justice Thomas’ rich friends have great opinions. Justice Thomas originally had great opinions, but he was thinking about changing them.
However, his rich friends’ gifts persuaded him not to, because he didn’t want to go off the gravy train and lose out on getting cool stuff.
Same set of observable facts. But two very different theories about Justice Thomas’ motives.
Perhaps Mr. Calabresi might be able to argue that Justice Thomas deserves the benefit of the doubt. But the observable facts “proving” he’s incorruptible? No way. Only a person who thinks it self-evident the opinions are great could possibly be persuaded that corruption could not have influenced them. And since it’s pretty clear that not everybody thinks his opinions are great, in fact only the believers believe, that alone means that as a matter of objective observable fact, it’s not so self-evident as Mr. Calabresi thinks it is.
Actually, even if you think his opinions are great, you can still recognize the possibility that he might have considered changing his mind if the cool stuff he got from his rich friends as a thank-you for sticking to his previous opinions hadn’t become such a big part of his life.
I mean there's such a thing as positive reinforcement.
Imagine a local trial judge who is pretty business friendly. He wants to decide not to run again to make more money as a big law partner. A bunch of local businessmen and commercial lawyers start taking him out a lot and paying for meals at good restaurants. He decides to stay. The judge's legal philosophy was consistent but his decision to stay on the bench in the first place was influenced.
Sounds like Congress people.
Is it possible to simultaneously be an asshole and an ass-kisser?
Yes. Indeed, it is common.
The Volokh Conspirators answer that question every day.
Has one of them exhibited the courage to object to the daily demonstrations of bigotry at this blog (sometimes from their leader, others from their target audience)? One? Once? (I do not doubt that Prof. Somin might have, although I do not recall it, and I would regret including him in this observation if he does not deserve it.)
How many Conspirators do not have vivid cases of Trump Got Their Tongue syndrome, conspicuously avoiding prominent MAGA issues -- Trump, Clark, Eastman, etc. -- consequent to cowardice, partisanship, or some other tawdry motivation?
I can't find the cite, but in Will Baude's podcast he talked about a study of linguistic style consistency of the Justices when writing the opinion of the Court. Swing justices were the least consistent, as one might expect from cobbling together a coalition.
Also not consistent: Thomas. Lots of potential reasons why, some good, some bad. Just interesting.
If I'm remembering that discussion correctly, it was discussing a possible measurement of how much of any justice's opinions were actually written by the justice, and how much by the clerks.
That was the intepretation of the analysis, yeah. And hard to argue with that as the interpretation.
Your comment reminds me of when I clerked for a justice on my state's supreme court. It's kind of amusing to look back on published opinions from 40 years ago and instantly be able to pick out what the justice wrote and what I wrote. We sometimes didn't do a very good job of trying to blend the styles.
Steve-O - I get that you are mightily impressed by the fact that a bunch of middle-aged white losers look up to a Black justice as a hero, but the very fact that you find it noteworthy just betrays your racism.
Is it extraordinary that a Black justice has that kind of status among Federalist Society members? Sure it is. But it shouldn't be. There is a reason why you can't name a whole list of BIPOC, LGBT, or women intellectual leaders, on the right. Why do you suppose that is?
Ever hear of Thomas Sowell? Douglas Murray? Heather Mac Donald? Ann Coulter?
Ann Coulter?
LOL. Seriously? An intellectual leader? In comparison to MTG or Lauren Boebert, possibly, but otherwise...
She's had 7 NYT Bestsellers, how many you got?
I'm sorry, maybe you can point me to the books you have authored that I can find in my local town library. Ms. Coulter has 5.
You have how many....zero?
You live in a glass house.
"intellectual leader" = writes academic papers that no one reads
SRG2 no doubt thinks Ms. 1619 is an intellectual leader though
An 'intellectual' for anti-intellectuals - Coulter's about your level all right.
Nicole Hannah-Jones an intellectual leader. An oxymoron.
no, just the general kind of moron.
Knowing that you and the other right-wingers are destined to fail in America's glorious modern culture war is comforting.
May the Federalist Society, Fox News, your childish superstition, and the occasional on-the-spectrum attempt at humor at the Volokh Conspiracy provide some solace as you approach replacement.
I also hope you live to see what happens with Israel when America stops providing the skirts behind which Israel's superstition-driven right-wing assholes have been operating. I think you have earned that.
Do you blow your victims with that mouth?
SRG2 no doubt thinks Ms. 1619 is an intellectual leader though
Nope.
There is almost no-one in the US with the knowledge and wherewithal to be an intellectual leader. There are certainly over-praised clowns across the spectrum whose idiot supporters might claim them to be.
There is a minimum qualification - a thought experiment, if you will. If someone would be incapable of holding their own when sober against Christopher Hitchens when drunk, they're not capable of intellectual leadership.
And the reality, particularly on the right, is that people kowtow to loudmouthed windbags, and imagine that the louder and windier they are the greater the intellectual leadership provided.
Hitchens was right on one thing in his whole life. If he is your idea of an intellectual leader, HaShem help you.
Well, it is possible that Hitchens sober would be incapable of holding his own against Hitchens drunk.
I mean he was no Jordan Peterson.
Being right on religion seems important, though, and Hitchens was a god-tier champion in that context.
There is almost no-one in the US with the knowledge and wherewithal to be an intellectual leader.
Really? And who, please do tell, in the US has the knowledge and wherewithal to be an intellectual leader? Especially since there is 'almost no one'.
An intellectual leader is someone who develops the ideas and frameworks.
An NYT best seller isn't really evidence of that. In Coulter's case she's more of a rabble rouser, looking for stuff to stir up her base, but not really building the foundations.
As an intellectual leader, myself, can you point me to your works I might find in my local library?
Maybe they've been banned by the local Mothers Against Gays And Libruls, in between their bouts of dodgy sexual escapades.
What does that have to do with anything?
I don't claim to be a pro golfer either, but I can tell that Coulter isn't that either.
Also, bulk buys getting her books on those lists.
How you could confuse the Wise Latina with Coulter is beyond comprehension.
Perfectly easy to see how and why you do it.
13 books, and that's not all:
"While attending Cornell University, Coulter helped found The Cornell Review, and was a member of the Delta Gamma national sorority. She graduated cum laude from Cornell in 1984 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in history and received her Juris Doctor from the University of Michigan Law School in 1988, where she was an editor of the Michigan Law Review.
"After law school, Coulter served as a law clerk, in Kansas City, for Judge Pasco Bowman II of the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit. After a short time working in New York City in private practice, where she specialized in corporate law, Coulter left to work for the United States Senate Judiciary Committee after the Republican Party took control of Congress in 1994. She handled crime and immigration issues for Senator Spencer Abraham of Michigan and helped craft legislation designed to expedite the deportation of aliens convicted of felonies. She later became a litigator with the Center for Individual Rights."
So she trashed her own intellectual bona fides in order to become a populist harridan.
Some -- Focus on the Family types, for example -- might also call her a harlot.
"Harlot"?? You saw last nights "Fargo" episode too? Prisons are just too nice now a days.
She is also a bottle-blonde, barren spinster who lies about her age; an apparent vote fraudster; a mean-spirited, authoritarian, and bigoted bully; a science-disdaining, superstitious polemicist; and a one-time mini-skirted Guccione plaything -- in other words, a perfect "pro marriage" mouthpiece for the right-wing's "family values" hypocrites.
Also, apparently, a plagiarist, although I suspect she will receive a pass on that one from her fellow conservatives.
If she believed a word of the "gospel" she claims to believe, she would have lived a quite different life.
Words of wisdom from the "Reverend" Sandusky Ladies and Germs.
Writing a book doesn't make you an intellectual leader. Duh.
Sure all you have to do is write some papers based on other people's work and you can become president of Harvard (at least for a while).
All you have to do is be black and a woman in an administrative position and then the right goes for you on the tiniest pretext. Because they're anti-intellectuals with the ethics of a member of the Trump administration.
Kids say the darndest things.
Kids have a better sense of right and wrong.
Another plug for the Slow Burn history of Clarence Thomas podcast.
https://slate.com/podcasts/slow-burn/s8/becoming-justice-thomas
<<hief Justice Roberts is also seen as being too political and too concerned with public opinion about the Court. In my view, this is a form of corruption.<<
No corruption is taking money for yourself from people who wish to influence you
Thomas is corrupt
A notable Justice is one who rules against his instincts or political beliefs and leanings because the law demand it
Thomas does not do so and is not notable
That he impresses you is unsurprising and uninteresting
Yes!
First, I am not alone in thinking that Clarence Thomas is the best of the 116 Justices to ever serve on the Supreme Court. I am one of the three co-founders and the 40 year Co-Chairman of the Federalist Society's Board of Directors. The Society has 70,000 members nationwide, chapters at every law school in the country, lawyers chapters in every major city in the country, and a substantial presence on the federal judiciary. After forty years of attending thousands of Federalist Society gatherings, I have a pretty good sense of what Federalist Society members think.
I am Calabresi! Fear my appeal to authority!!!
Justice Thomas has lived a good life. He has exemplified the four classical Greek and Roman virtues of: 1) Courage; 2) Temperance; 3) Justice; and 4) Prudence.
...
Justice Thomas does not eat, drink, or travel to excess. He practices temperance.
I mean who doesn't take a bunch of free luxury vacations with billionaires?
It should be noted that a previous VC post listed Calabresi as one of the most cited VC authors, which I found baffling based on his ridiculous posts.
But the fact he's a Heritage Foundation big-wig really explains it. He's either a decent scholar who plays political hack on the side, or he's a political hack all the way who gets cited a lot by careerists looking to make good with a Heritage Foundation big-wig.
And here you are reading his blog posts and taking time out of your busy day to discuss them.
If you don't care what law professors think, then why waste your time reading their scribblings?
Calabresi is a co-founder and leader of the Heritage Foundation.
Meaning his writings reveal a lot about what passes for serious thinking inside the Heritage Foundation. That's not encouraging information, but it's definitely worth my time to learn.
It's actually a little weird since this person also named Steven Calabresi sounds fairly sane and in some cases moderate, so I'm not quite sure how to account for that difference.
It is perhaps worth noting that Calabresi (who was 15 years old at the time) was not a co-founder of the Heritage Foundation.
According to Wikipedia, he was one of the co-founders of the Yale chapter, one of the three original chapters, in 1982, when he was 24 and a law student there.
Oh shit disregard. That's FedSoc.
Thomas also seems fat. Is that just the cameras?
You seem stupid, is that just your stupidity?
This new three-clinger attack -- Blackman, Calabresi, Volokh -- establishes the Volokh Conspiracy as the Gateway Pundit of "legal" blogs.
As I learned here last week, the best Supreme Justice was Edwin Stanton. Never had to dissent!
Bob from Ohio, you really need to wonder about the level of animus and vitriol wrt Justice Thomas. Whence it's source?
It is not racism alone, since Justice Alito receives much the same treatment, scorn and derision (wrongly, in my view). Although for some of Justice Thomas' detractors, race is a part of it.
Is it ideological? Could be.
I tend to think it is something different, something far more simple and base. I think what drives them mad is the idea this black man is actually much smarter than they, and more accomplished. Long after Justice Thomas' detractors are gone (and forgotten), the power of his ideas and his words will live on as long as there is a SCOTUS. That is what drives them crazy; he is doing it, and they are not.
That isn't racism and that isn't ideology*; it is just pure envy. It is the envy of the small and petty, about the strong.
(*others disagree and say it is both - perfectly plausible)
The only thing for which Justice Thomas will be remembered is the substandard conduct that precipitated ethics reform and enforceable standards of conduct governing members of the Supreme Court. Even that will be known among a limited audience. How much should one expect a loser’s discredited arguments to be remembered?
Here's my threat on Thomas and Calabresi. Cliffs: he's a terrible Supreme Court justice (and not because he is conservative).
https://twitter.com/dilanesper/status/1738948534718861791
Thread, not threat.
Mr. Slip, Dr. Freud, Dr. Freud, Mr. Slip
Important correction!
Excellent - and displaying greater powers of analysis than Calabresi could manage.
Without taking a position on Justice Thomas....this post is embarrassing. Particularly the attempt to argue that his professed judicial philosophy makes it impossible to bribe him. (And I am sympathetic to originalism!)
Just another day at the Volokh Conspiracy.
Well, except for the lack of vile racial slurs . . . so far. But Prof. Volokh is on Pacific time, so the daily account is not closed.
Either Mr. Calabresi is getting senile or else he was never very smart. This simple-minded prose scarcely makes one think well of the Federalist Society.
Dude, have you ever re-read anything you've written? You're barely this side of sane.
Great post. Spot on.
Hamas lost 2 of their leaders yesterday, Saleh al-Arouri in Beirut and Claudine Gay in Cambridge.
Wonder what the life insurance premiums are for Hamas members?
Increasing.
Calabresi wants us to accept that he and his fellow Federalist Society members believe that Clarence is the best justice ever. It's revealing that Calabresi doesn't allow Clarence's complete lack of ethics to interfere with his hero worship, presumably because the only thing that matters to Calabresi is that Clarence continues to write opinions that that make Calabresi feel all warm and fuzzy. I wonder it that's what he teaches his students. (Ethics? Professional responsibility? No, we don't bother with that kind of stuff here at Northwestern.)
I know I could have hoped Calabresi knows that "good" or "best" both are value judgements, which are subjective in nature, and thus are matters of opinion. A choice to be more specific in how he couched his opinion--rather than projecting his preferences into a feigned universal--could have clarified that, per the Federalist Society, Thomas has been an excellent ideological operative.
Of course in libertarian-speak, "Yay for our side!" is the closest denizens of an anti-government ideology are ever going to come to any approximation of objectivity or impartiality.
"Most incorruptible" must mean "most VENAL".
And he sure hates stare decisis.
Trump’s Supreme Court shortlists weren’t “given by the Federalist Society”, but even if they had been—how would that demonstrate that the Federalist Society takes policy positions (beyond, in this hypothetical, “these people would be good Supreme Court justices—which is not an issue the court is going to be faced with)?
how would that demonstrate that the Federalist Society takes policy positions
In and of itself it wouldn't, but an examination of the positions and backgrounds of those it recommends might easily do so.