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The One Sentence From Arizona v. United States That You Need To Know For Texas's New Immigration Law (Updated)
"There is no need in this case to address whether reasonable suspicion of illegal entry or another immigration crime would be a legitimate basis for prolonging a detention, or whether this too would be preempted by federal law."
Today, Texas Governor Greg Abbott signed into law S.B. 4. This law makes it a state offense to illegally cross the border. Before you shout that this law clearly violates Arizona v. United States (2012), re-read this passage from Justice Kennedy's majority opinion:
However the law is interpreted, if §2(B) only requires state officers to conduct a status check during the course of an authorized, lawful detention or after a detainee has been released, the provision likely would survive pre-emption—at least absent some showing that it has other consequences that are adverse to federal law and its objectives. There is no need in this case to address whether reasonable suspicion of illegal entry or another immigration crime would be a legitimate basis for prolonging a detention, or whether this too would be preempted by federal law. See, e.g., United States v. Di Re, 332 U.S. 581, 589 (1948) (authority of state officers to make arrests for federal crimes is, absent federal statutory instruction, a matter of state law); Gonzales v. Peoria, 722 F.2d 468, 475–476 (CA9 1983) (concluding that Arizona officers have authority to enforce the criminal provisions of federal immigration law), overruled on other grounds in Hodgers-Durgin v. de la Vina, 199 F.3d 1037 (CA9 1999).
Arizona left open the question of whether Texas can detain aliens who violated federal immigration law. I made this point in the New York Times in October:
"The core question is whether the states can make it a crime to violate federal immigration law, and detain an alien for violating that law," said Josh Blackman, a constitutional law professor at South Texas College of Law Houston, who has written that Justice Anthony Kennedy, the author of the Arizona decision, left open the question of detentions.
I am skeptical that Arizona v. United States, a 5-4 decision, would come out the same way today. But there is no need to revisit the decision, as Justice Kennedy expressly left the issue unresolved. I still think there may be some wrinkles with the state law with regard to processing asylum claims, but that will come out in litigation. Speaking of which.
I expect the United States to file suit any minute in the Western District of Texas, Austin Division, where it will likely be assigned to Judge Roger Pitman, who tends to get most of the federal government's suits against Texas that are filed in Austin. The ACLU will also find a favorable division somewhere in the Valley. Conservatives are not the only ones who know how to forum-shop. All of which is to say that in the near future, the Fifth Circuit will be likely asked to stay a district court injunction. And at that point, the case will come to the Supreme Court's emergency docket. And we know how the Fifth Circuit tends to fare on the emergency docket.
Update: I appreciate the Orin wrote a brief reply to my post. He explains that this passage only concerned the duration of a Terry stop. He wrote, "all it did was leave open whether a state is allowed to add on that extra 20-30 minutes or so to investigate an immigration offense."
Justice Kennedy made two points.
First, the Court did not resolve "whether reasonable suspicion of illegal entry or another immigration crime would be a legitimate basis for prolonging a detention." That is the Terry issue. In other words, a suspicion that a person illegally entered would be subject to the usual constraints of the Fourth Amendment. No debate there.
Second, the Court declined to resolve an issue beyond the Fourth Amendment: "whether [prolonging a detention for] reasonable suspicion of illegal entry or another immigration crime … would be preempted by federal law." In other words, the Court could have held that a detention of any duration, indeed one less than the 20 or 30 minutes that Terry would otherwise allowed, would be preempted.
My post was referring to the second point. The parentheticals that follow also address the preemption issue.
If the short term detention for reasonable suspicion is not preempted, and the person is found to have illegally entered, then he violated state law, and a lawful arrest can be made.
Had Justice Kennedy said even a brief detention would be preempted, I don't think Texas could ever even detain the person to determine their immigration status. Is that right? I don't think this issue is clear, or open-and-shut. My only point was that the issue is not foreclosed by Arizona.
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As an aside.
Hawaii has pretty strict importation laws. Importantly, these are state laws...not federal...that regulate what can be imported. Including plants, animals, soils, with penalties and enforcement.
One wonders if Texas's laws could be interpreted under similar provisions.
People tend to have rights unavailable to root vegetables.
Foreigners do not. Or more precisely, the rights they have are moral rights, not (necessarily) constitutional rights. Armchair's question is legally interesting and non-trivial.
And to Queen's request for a cite, here you go.
Then let's skip the 5th circuit and fast-track it to SCOTUS, so that at least someone will enforce federal laws when the President refuses to.
Arizona v. United States (2012) was a 5-3 decision, with Justice Kagan recused, though we can safely assume she would have joined the majority, which held that only the federal government could make and enforce immigration law. The dissenters argued the federal government and the states had concurrent authority, something I believe is apparent from history.
Of course, the Court's membership has changed significantly since 2012. (Rumor has it that Chief Justice Roberts flipped his vote in this case because he did not want a 4-4 nonprecedential decision. I don't know if that's true, but it would be pretty on-brand for Roberts. Better a terrible precedent than no precedent.)
We have a nightmare situation heretofore unknown in this country: a federal government that refuses to enforce the law, and state governments which are told they are not permitted to enforce the law. It's about time someone finally put that terrible precedent to the test.
One might say that the new statute is "poisoning the blood" of prior case law.
Blackman links to the wrong SB 4. Here is the correct link.
Yes, Arizona left unresolved whether a state can detain someone who has violated federal immigration law. But, Arizona held that a law which criminalizes the same actions already illegal under federal law is unconstitutional. SB 4 does just that.
No., it held that criminalizing one action that was illegal under immigration law was unconstitutional, for reasons that depended heavily on the specifics of that action. This bill criminalizes a completely different action.
From Arizona:
Texas SB 4 adds a state-law penalty (for Illegal Entry) for conduct proscribed by federal law in 8 U.S. Code § 1325 (Improper Entry by Alien).
Yeah demonstrably not true, robbing a bank is both a federal crime and a state crime, and there is no problem with that.
Plus the feds often make violations of state law crimes, does Nat void the state law? Nope.
You have to read words in context. What Josh R is saying is that Arizona held that a law which criminalizes the same immigration-related actions already illegal under federal law is unconstitutional.¹ Not any law on any subject.
¹That last part isn't right; it didn't rule the law unconstitutional. Rather, it ruled that Arizona's law was preempted by federal law.
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He also misreads the ruling, so there's that.
The basic problem with Arizona v United states, is that it was nominally based on the supremacy clause.
"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
The problem with the Court's ruling is that nothing Arizona was doing was contrary to the federal Constitution, laws, or any treaty. Arizona was acting contrary to federal policy.
But that was a federal policy of not enforcing federal law. Not enforcing the very thing the clause made "supreme".
In a sane world, Arizona would have prevailed on the basis of the supremacy clause, not lost on the basis of it.
In the update, Blackman shows that this wasn't advocacy, he genuinely didn't get it.
Okay, then.
I want to invite him to look up the word "prolong" in a dictionary.
Testing. It doesn't seem I can post right now.
I can. Let's try this again.
JB said: If the short term detention for reasonable suspicion is not preempted, and the person is found to have illegally entered, then he violated state law, and a lawful arrest can be made.
No. Arizona precludes a state from criminalizing an immigration violation that is already illegal under federal law. On the other hand, it is not settled law whether in your hypothetical Texas may arrest the person for violating federal law. But, SB 4 isn't about that.
Basic legal question here. Do local police arrest for violations of Federal law? Do local prosecutors prosecute Federal laws? I can imagine some cooperation (which I assume is legal to some extent) but would a local cop or prosecutor charge someone for, say, interstate transportation of some illegal good, if it wasn't a state or local crime?
This is only half the story. The other half is how many got in and are still here. Net those two together and you have a real, usable number.
Also - it doesn't matter how many they sent back. If 3 million came in during that fiscal year, then it's only 10%. If in prior fiscal years it was only 1 million, and 10% were sent back, it'd be only 100,000.
Yeah, I had the same question. One does not necessarily follow from the other.
(Although I do think Josh is definitely right about one thing: the Sup. Ct, as currently comprised, will uphold just about any law that targets people crossing the border.)
300,000. Wow! Is that a lot?
I remember when Biden was campaigning and said something to the effect that there was no reason this country couldn't absorb 1 million immigrants. Since he took office, CBP has had 7.5 million encounters with illegal border crossers. And God only knows how many more they didn't "encounter".
The law is being enforced to a de minimis extent, as a PR cover for actually encouraging and enabling its violation. This latter is why the administration is so absolutely determined to prevent any state efforts to secure the border: They don't WANT it secured.
I've repeatedly posted links to the government's own border encounter numbers. The moment Biden took office illegal border crossings shot up to higher than the worst month during Trump's time in office, and then stayed there.
This is not the sort of thing that happens by accident. It has happened as a deliberate product of policy changes. It is the policy of this administration to maximize illegal immigration.
They just can't come out and say so.
Brett Bellmore : "The law is being enforced to a de minimis extent, as a PR cover for actually encouraging and enabling its violation"
As a preteen, I loved exotic scenarios, vast conspiracies, secret hidden truths, UFO cover-ups, Loch Ness Monsters and all that kinda stuff. I eagerly consumed books on any topic like that.
But then I grew up......
Yeah, that's a false conspiracy theory.
It's true that Biden doesn't want to do mass deportations of law abiding long term illegal immigrants. That just turns into a really ugly disruption of communities to deport people who, by definition, aren't causing any trouble.
But I don't see any conspiracy to increase illegal immigration. Like what's the master plan here? That Biden is expecting those illegal immigrants to produce Democrat voting kids in 18+ years? At a time when Hispanic populations are starting to move to the GOP?
The debate isn't whether to increase illegal immigration, it's how harsh you can be when trying to deport recent migrants.
As for the antisemitic accusation, I definitely don't see it in your post, but the Tweet that got Musk in hot water was the antisemitic version of that conspiracy.
'This is not the sort of thing that happens by accident. '
Well, Trump's border was a hellacious human rights horrorshow where children were being kidnapped en masse, Biden's border is still a human rights mess, just less so, so it's not that great a mystery.
This is scarcely a hidden conspiracy. They're doing it right out in the open, with barely the slightest effort at pretending otherwise.
They are literally going to court to prevent states from securing the border they refuse to secure themselves. Deploying people to remove barriers along the border.
But then I grew up……
And then you woke up.
'This is scarcely a hidden conspiracy.'
It's scarcely a hidden conspiracy theory, and explicitly anti-semitic.
"and explicitly anti-semitic"
WTF? Are you hallucinating or something? Maybe you don't know the meaning of the word "explicitly"? Or believe I think Biden is secretly Jewish?
No. I've just seen you and others castigating American Jews for supporting the flood of immigrants poisoning, as Trump puts it, the sacred pure blood of the country. It's like saying the quiet part out of the corner of your mouth and expecting no-one to hear.
Nige : "No. I’ve just seen you and others...."
Are you sure, Brett-wise?
Brett is Brett, bless his heart, and we've come come to expect a bit of cranky conspiratorial lunacy from him. But I don't remember seeing him go down that particular anti-semitic road. Others, yes - Elon Musk being a particularly loathsome example. But I can't recall that being one of Brett's hundreds upon hundreds of tin-foil hat theories.
And these days - when charges of anti-semitism are given out like a suburban mom dispensing candy on Halloween - it's worth a little extra care to get tings right...
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Brett has never said anything like that. He's an ecumenical conspiracy theorist.
Brett does that thing where he 'thinks there's some good points being made,' but he seems to genuinely think there's an explicit agenda to flood the US with non-white people. That he shies away from the anti-semitic aspect that pops up in most versions is pure Brett, though he definitely did some 'more in sorrow than in anger' reproaching of the Jews.
Yes, I do think there's an explicit agenda to flood the US with non-citizens. I think it's largely indifferent to their color, and it's hardly being driven by Jews.
It's mostly driven by business interests who want to keep labor costs low by artificially inflating the pool of unskilled laborers. Which is why the Republican establishment, beholden to such interests, do not effectively oppose it.
The effects on the political composition of the electorate are at most a second order consideration.
'and it’s hardly being driven by Jews.'
'I agree with the conspoiracy theory, I just prefer to ignore that part.'
Brett Bellmore : "The effects on the political composition of the electorate are at most a second order consideration"
What effects? Are you going the full-monty and claiming all these non-citizens are voting? And - if so - how? Are you going the double-full-monty and claiming a "deep state" conspiracy to engineer all these non-citizen's illicit votes? And - if so - are you going the triple-full-monty and claiming this is all the work of lizard space people who wear Mission-Impossible-style rubber masks when they appear on Earth as Democrats?
And - if so - who let you in on our secret ?!?
But seriously - who knows what you believe? I sometimes think you adopt conspiracy theories with the nonchalant indifference of a teenager sampling late-night TV as he scolls thru hundreds of channels with a remote.
"There's a good conspiracy! Let's believe it!"
GRB:
Effect 1: Distortion of apportionment: Illegal immigrants count for apportionment purposes, increasing the voting weight of those they live among.
Effect 2: The children of illegal immigrants are natural born citizens who will eventually vote.
(Potential) Effect 3: Any time the Democrats get a more than minimal majority in Congress at the same time they get the Presidency, they can enact a statute naturalizing all those illegal immigrants, massively increasing their voting base at in one fell swoop.
1. Border states are famously Democratic.
2. Politicians are famously generational, long-term thinkers.
3. The real plan is to declare Republican voters Hostis humani generis and use Jade Helm to do experiments that make you all gay Latino men.
What did I say?
"The effects on the political composition of the electorate are at most a second order consideration."
Do you even understand what, "at most a second order consideration" means?
The primary motivation for the failure to enforce immigration laws is keeping up the supply of unskilled labor in order to suppress wages and promote income inequality. It's all about that, not race, not religion, and hardly about political effects. It's about keeping the poor down and shrinking the middle class.
Immigrant population over time. Note that date, 1970, when it hit bottom.
Share of US income that goes to the top 10%
The period when immigration was minimized is famous among economists of income inequality: It's known as The Great Compression. Reopening the immigrant spigot put an end to it.
Not remotely by accident.
The primary motivation for the failure to enforce immigration laws is keeping up the supply of unskilled labor in order to suppress wages and promote income inequality
This is absolutely a switch from your past Great Replacement push. I am glad to see it!
I'm not sure your new speculated motive is any more established, but at least it's not racist. It does make you sound like those crappy leftists that say Every Politician is a Servator of Capitol. There is actually no big coordinated plan to keep the poor down and shrinking the middle class. That seems a pretty bad agenda for a politician to push, considering who votes.
And, of course *immigration doesn't do that to the economy* there's a ton of data that says it doesn't do that, your weak-ass correlation aside. You can find localized negative effects, and transition woes, but by and large they are helpful.
[This ignores their own humanity; I'd be happy for us to move away from this below-the-radar peasant thing we got going. But I'll push back every time at someone who claims illegal immigrants hurt our economy. That's just bad economics]
You seem really determined to not believe Dems when they say they don't like our immigration policies because they are cruel to other humans. I don't know why that doesn't track for you.
WuzYoungOnceToo : "And then you woke up"
Still do. Every morning. Though it's hard and sometimes the alarm clock has to be extra, extra, shrill.
These deep cuts of lame fourth grade insults are always a blast from the past.
I had trouble waking in the morning when I was in middle school. I had just read a book by Skinner in my parents' library, so I wired a step up transformer to the speaker of my clock radio, and ran wires from it under my bedsheets. Within a week I was a morning person, and have been one ever since.
Operant conditioning: It works.
Actually, the tweet in question was criticizing Jews for engaging in self-destructive politics: Promoting immigration from areas of the world where antisemitism was much more common than in the US contributed greatly to its growth here.
An actual antisemite would consider this a good thing, rather than criticizing Jews for being self-destructive.
Or have some faith in the alure of western civilization and consider maybe antisemitism isn't baked in to everyone based on where they're from.
Really? Here's the tweet in question:
Okay.
Jewish communties have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.
I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest shit now about western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don't exactly like them too much.
You want truth said to your face, there it is.
Claiming Jewish communities are pushing hatred against whites is most definitely antisemitic and somewhat conspiratorial.
And yes, the author is also expressing satisfaction in the fact that those immigrant populations express antisemitic views.
Now, I think the author is perfectly happy with Conservatives Jews and probably loves Netanyahu, but he's viewing them as a highly contiguous group ruled by their ethnicity that's fundamentally antisemitic.
'rather than criticizing Jews for being self-destructive.'
And yet if I criticise Israel, a soveriegn country with a government and an army who are carrying out a military campaign, rather than warning an entire ethnic group that they are in danger of 'destroying themselves' for, en masse, supposedly supporting policies you don't like for reasons that don't stand up to much scrutiny, that's anti-semitic.
Sorry, but no amount of conditioning will EVER make me a morning person.