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The GOP's Bogus Linkage Between Aiding Ukraine and "Border Security"
The analogy between Russia's invasion of Ukraine and illegal migration to the US is nonsensical. And many of the GOP's demands are intended to make legal migration more difficult, a policy likely to actually increase the illegal kind.

Congressional Republicans are linking extension of US aid to Ukraine to the imposition of more restrictionist immigration policies. They claim the two issues are connected because both involve border security. Thus, for example, House Speaker Mike Johnson says "If we're going to protect Ukraine's border, and we have to do what is necessary there,…. we have to take care of our own border first." This analogy is ridiculous. There is no comparison between a military invasion and undocumented migration. In addition, many of the GOP demands aren't actually about "border security" at all; they are proposals to make legal immigration harder, thereby predictably exacerbating disorder at the border rather than alleviating it.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine includes the mass murder of thousands of civilians, large-scale rape and torture, kidnapping of tens of thousands of children, and an attempt to forcibly annex much of Ukraine's territory and replace its democracy with a brutal dictatorship. Nothing even remotely comparable is happening at the US southern border. The main issue there is immigrants seeking freedom and opportunity in the United States. Unable to do so legally because of immigration restrictions, many find that illegal border-crossing is their only way to escape a lifetime of poverty and oppression. Many are escaping repressive communist regimes that conservative Republicans themselves condemn.
Conservatives rightly deride left-wingers who analogize any policies they don't like to fascism. The equation between the Russia's invasion of Ukraine and US border issues is a right-wing version of this trope. They are equating migration they dislike with invasion and mass murder by a neo-fascist regime (there are many obvious parallels between Vladimir Putin's expansionist authoritarian nationalism and early-twentieth century fascism).
It can be argued the analogy makes sense because illegal migrants might commit acts of terrorism. But the risk of terrorism at the southern border is negligible. Between 1975 and 2022, the total number of Americans killed in terrorist attacks by illegal migrants who crossed the southern border was zero. Immigrants do commit ordinary crimes, of course. But the crime rate of immigrants - including illegal ones - is actually lower than that of native-born Americans.
Some also claim that illegal migration qualifies as an "invasion" under the Constitution. That claim is false, and would have dangerous implications if it were ever accepted by the courts. Similar points apply to claims that fentanyl smuggling across the border qualifies as an invasion. Most such smuggling is actually conducted by US citizens coming through legal points of entry; it is a predictable side effect of the US War on Drugs.
Elsewhere, I have argued that Western support for Ukraine is the right thing to do on for both moral and strategic reasons, ones analogous to those conservatives advance for backing Hamas against Israel. It's possible to argue against that on various grounds, such as that Ukraine's cause is supposedly hopeless, or that possible strategic costs outweigh the benefits. But those who want to abandon Ukraine for such reasons should at least stop hiding behind bogus analogies to the US southern border.
The analogy is also misleading because many of the GOP's demands are not really about stopping illegal migration, but about making the legal kind even more difficult than it already is. For example, Republicans seek to severely curtail executive parole authority that can be used to grant entry to migrants fleeing war, oppression, and other humanitarian catastrophes. As shown in a study by the conservative Manhattan Institute, Biden's use of parole to grant entry to migrants from four Latin American nations actually greatly reduced illegal migration across the southern border from those countries, because it enables would-be migrants to enter legally, often without even coming to the southern border at all. That progress has stopped in recent months because arbitrary caps on the number of parole admittees have created a massive backlog, leaving illegal migration once again the only option for most migrants from those nations.
GOP demands to make it harder for migrants to get asylum are similar. The harder it is to enter legally, the greater the incentive to do so illegally. The Biden administration has already adopted a harsh "Trump-lite" asylum policy, a move that hasn't succeeded in reducing illegal migration (the policy is currently the subject of legal challenges, but judges have allowed it to remain in place as litigation over it continues).
Trying to reduce illegal migration by making legal entry harder is much like trying to fight Prohibition-era bootlegging by making it harder to obtain alcohol legally. Such policies predictably promote the very thing they are supposedly seeking to combat. Most of the disorder at the border is a predictable result of the fact that legal entry is nearly impossible for most would-be migrants, combined with horrible conditions in migrants' countries of origin and strong demand for labor in the US. Restricting legal immigration even more would predictably exacerbate these problems, not alleviate them.
There is much Congress and the president could do to genuinely reduce disorder at the border. Among other things, they could drop arbitrary numerical and country limits on parole admission. They could also make it easier for immigrants to get work visas. Similarly, they could empower state governments that want more immigrants to issue state-based visas, as advocated by the Republican governors of Utah and Indiana. These moves and others like them would channel people away from illegal migration. Many would not even need to come to the southern border at all, instead entering by ship or plane.
Obviously, there are a variety of rationales for reducing legal migration that are unrelated to conditions at the border. For example, restrictionists argue that immigrants overburden the welfare state, spread harmful cultural values, damage the environment, and degrade American political institutions. It may be hard to believe. But if we get too many of the wrong kinds of immigrant voters, we might even elect a president of the United States who has so little respect for liberal democratic values that when he loses an election, he tries to use force and fraud to stay in power.
Jokes aside, these kinds of restrictionist arguments are worth taking seriously. I try to do just that in my book Free to Move, and other writings. But those whose real goal is reducing legal immigration should not hide behind the mantra of "border security." Still less should they analogize immigration policies they dislike to armed invasions like Russia's assault on Ukraine.
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"Well done, Gramps!" Russian state TV thanks Mitch McConnell and the GOP for blocking aid so strongman tanks can get back to rolling through Europe.
Hang your heads in shame. You are not fit to lick the boots of your parents and grandparents who fough actual Nazis in Europe
Aren't you the ones who mock Antifa for fighting fake Nazis in the US?
Here is your chance to fight real fascists, real strong men with a real military behind them. And you fail at it.
You have no honor. Be ashamed.
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What does Mitch McConnell got to do with it?
I don't think Mike Johnson cares.if Mitch takes the heat for him.
Can you say "Vietnam?
How do you think Kennedy/Johnson got us involved in that one?
Can you say "dumb analogy".
How do you equate getting involved in a civil war with helping a country resist invasion by a foreign power? And why do you think the US is suddenly going to send troops to fight nuclear armed Russia IN Ukraine??
The "analogy" is just a talking point. Biden wants more for the waw in Ukraine and the House wants something done about the tens of thousands of daily illegal border crossers. A compromise should be possible.
You mean side with the Nazis in the Azov battalion? Or are you marxists still ignoring that?
Fuck you, this is not our problem except to the extent we created it with constant NATO expansions and in that case our appropriate response is to deescalate and get out not throw away more Ukrainian lives.
Azov had some historic Nazi ties that got cleaned up as they were brought into into the Ukraine military. And those ties were somewhat understandable given that Nazis were enemies of Soviet Russia who had committed a genocide in Ukraine in the 30s.
Russia on the other hand, who has no real excuse for any kind of Nazi sympathies, was championing a PMC that was named Wagner because he was Hitler's favourite composer, and led by Dimitry Utkin, a blatant neo-Nazi.
And I won't even bother with the Russian disinformation you're parroting with your second sentence other than you question Russia's utter disinterest with the actual NATO expansion in Sweden and Finland.
This is the uncut RT propaganda. You should look at other sources on that, perhaps.
RT is state propaganda after all, and you wouldn't want to appear to be an uncritical Russia propagandist, would you?
Another Putin fan.
Look. You guys want Putin to win, the autocrats to be emboldened, Europe to be under threat, more wars, etc.
All that just so Biden doesn't get any credit for anything.
What giant assholes Republicans are.
The only Nazis SJin doesn't like are the imaginary ones in Ukraine.
I am not denying the justness of Ukraine's cause, but:
While we're sending billions to Ukraine, we're gradually losing our country -- to the likes of Antifa (who are given free rein), to BLM "activists" (same), to illegal aliens (who are not being turned back), to the "anti-Zionist" hordes (who should've never been allowed to come here in the first place), to the uncontrolled national debt / inflation. We badly need to stop & reassess (1) all immigration (both legal & illegal), (2) all expenditures (both foreign & domestic). Maybe, if Trump wins next year, and if Republicans keep the House and take over the Senate, this can still be done, before it's too late. Of course, the open-border crowd (e.g., Prof. Somin) and "liberals" in general will scream bloody murder. But if we fail to do this, "bloody murder" is what our future will look like.
What a concatenation of toxic bullshit.
uncontrolled national debt / inflation
Year over year inflation down to 3.1%. Month-over-month is 0.1%.
And the rest of your comment is bullshit also.
If you don't want invasion via illegal immigration, then you should capitulate to invasion by making it legal! We could very easily slow border crossings to a trickle. When Pancho Villa invaded with 500 guys, the US Army shot them, chased them all the way back to the order, kept going, and only turned around when they ran out of ammunition. A Diocletian-type defense in depth system would be more than enough-- walls, barbed wire, machine gun nests, drone surveillance, and the like. What is the point of a military if we can't use it to defend ourselves from an invasion?
And, as always, pretending it's not an invasion isn't fooling anybody. They are infiltrating the country with the intent to stay. Wherever they live is territory that's been conquered by an invader and whatever they earn by tricking employers into hiring them are spoils of war. Which they then often send back to their home country in the form of remittances, so both the soldier and the soldier's country are profiting from our total lack of defense. It's true that the invaders don't use much violence, but they don't have to-- the United States is capitulating to the invaders without them firing a shot.
I'm actually curious if there's any threshold you would accept as an invasion. China could ship 700 million people here and still have 700 million more at home. At that point, we'd be little more than a Chinese colony. Would it be an invasion then?
As usual, Somin takes the anti-American side of both issues. He was born in Russia, and retains some Russia-related grievances. And he wants to destroy the USA with migrants.
Yes, protecting the USA border is more important than the Ukraine border. And protecting the USA border means cutting both legal and illegal immigration. Somin is an example of an undesirable immigrant.
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Immigrants are good for the United States. Roger S, on the other hand, we could do without.
"What is the point of a military if we can’t use it to defend ourselves from an invasion?"
What's the point of public school if people can end up like you without any education whatsoever throwing words all over the place that you ignorantly misuse?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invasion
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And as always you are a bigot and a loon. Civilians are not soldiers. Nobody could be stupid enough to think they were.
Tell that to the 58,220 Americans killed by "civilians" in Vietnam.
That's right, "civilians" because that's technically what the VC were.
No, that's not "technically" what they were. Combatants fighting out of uniform don't become civilians.
just when I think you can't say anything more stupid than what you've said before you go ahead and totally redeem yourself.
It was the North Vietnamese Army/Air Force that killed most Amurican Troops, not some bullshit "VC"
Frank
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One soldier is an invasion. 700 million dishwashers is not an invasion.
I don't believe the word "dishwasher" appears in the Constitution.
So, basically, you've defined "invasion" so specifically that a foreign adversary could send however many people into our country to take it over, and as long as they didn't wear uniforms, they're good.
He's defined it like normal people do.
Not great replacement loons writing paranoid bigotry fiction.
he defined it as a partisan leftist would
Damn those sneaky Elders of Zion and their Protocols.
So, basically, I didn't say anything at all about uniforms.
a foreign adversary could send however many people into our country to take it over,
The Latin American migrants are not trying to take over the country.
Of course, if you believe the rabid "Great Replacement" theory you might claim they are, and go around shouting "The Jews will not replace us," with your fascist pals.
+ 1,000,000
"This analogy is ridiculous."
The analogy isn't ridiculous, let me explain it, its basic politics: you want something badly we aren't too excited about, so you better give us something we are excited about.
Ha ha yeah, as if the hard core Republicans in Congress have even the slightest interest in horse trading like that.
GOP despite their protestation is 'not too excited' about supporting Ukraine against Putin's imperialistic depredations.
Yeah sounds about right.
Half of MAGA thinks Putin is going to save the white Christian race.
I think the MAGA folk tend to think that the military has one primary mission: Defense of the territorial US. And that's it, everything else is at best secondary. (And I agree with that!)
That Ukraine remain independent of Russia is certainly in our interest, wearing down Russia is, too, but neither are primary interests, like direct defense of the US. They're secondary interests, only.
The problem is that we're supporting Ukraine on the cheap, drawing down munition stocks with the promise of replacing them at some undetermined point in the future, (Kind of reminds me of what Biden did to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve...) instead of funding manufacture of new munitions today and maintaining the stocks. So they could pretend our support for Ukraine was cheaper than it really was.
That decision has resulted in our support of Ukraine seriously degrading our military readiness. It's also exposed a dirty little secret that our munitions stores and manufacturing capacity aren't actually sufficient to sustain a real shooting war with an adversary who won't fold in the first month.
I think supporting Ukraine is important enough to do, and pay the cost of doing. Not everybody thinks it is. That doesn't mean they like Putin taking over neighbors, it means they view supporting Ukraine as an unaffordable luxury.
This could be right out of the America First pre-Pearl Harbor isolationist fools/paid Nazi shills.
The world is not a simple system where our interest is a binary.
our support of Ukraine seriously degrading our military readiness
Do you have sources for this? Because I'm unconvinced by your bare suppositions. Maybe we are supporting a janky and dumb way, but for that I need sources beyond Brett the Military Expert.
Bottom line, you write a lot, but it all reads as 'I don't support Putin, but I support MAGA supporting Putin.'
Americans as a whole before Pearl Harbor were reticent to get involved in wars across the globe.
That's not foolish, that's wise. You're the fool.
Nothing like fighting fascists to bring out the pacifist in M L.
Being reluctant to get involved in wars on the other side of the world = pacifist. Right.
To not be a pacifist, then, one must always be enthusiastic about getting involved in far-flung wars that don't involve you.
Which level of rabid bloodthirsty neocon are you?
When a fascist state invades its peaceful neighbour with the stated intent of erasing their language and culture I think giving that peaceful neighbour the tools to defend themselves is the least we can do.
Given Russia's well documented human rights abuses, including the mass murder of Ukrainian civilians, I'm not sure what kind of "pacifist" thinks it's right to leave Ukrainians defenseless to be subjugated, raped, and slaughtered.
Hold your horses. We were talking about American attitudes before WW2. I think a general reluctance to insert yourself into conflicts is a wise thing, not a foolish thing.
Now, you are starting to use emotional appeals about people being mistreated. That's perfectly fine, as long as we acknowledge that such ills cannot be universally prevented, particularly by the use of some force or power on a global scale. That is a very dangerous and deceitful utopian idea.
I support Ukraine's cause and generally any polity that wants independence and self-government.
I'm fine in theory with gifting them weapons, but two things. First, there has to be a numerical dollar limit on that idea. Second, I don't trust our military industrial complex to carry things out efficiently or without corruption, and for its part Ukraine I understand has been generally a very corrupt country and now they have banned opposing political parties and media, which sounds a bit fascist as well. I guess that's just the brakes maybe, nothing's perfect.
I think a general reluctance to insert yourself into conflicts is a wise thing, not a foolish thing.
A general reluctance sure, but this is a pretty clear cut situation. Fascist state invading peaceful and largely democratic nature and committing mass atrocities. There's no confusion about good guy vs bad here.
Now, you are starting to use emotional appeals about people being mistreated. That’s perfectly fine, as long as we acknowledge that such ills cannot be universally prevented, particularly by the use of some force or power on a global scale. That is a very dangerous and deceitful utopian idea.
In general yes. But in this case the West CAN do something about it and is arguably obliged to because Ukraine is being assaulted for trying to form closer relations with us!
As for people being mistreated, hey just from today Russian troops using POWs as human shields during an assault.
Not to mention, if Russia is successful in Ukraine they're going to start poking at NATO states and at that point there is a real risk of escalation and a major war involving US troops. So yes, making sure the war ends with Ukraine is clearly, overwhelmingly, in US interests.
As for corruption in Ukraine for sure there is, that's a legacy of their previous Russian (Soviet) occupation that they're working past. As for the banning of some parties and media those are typically fifth column organizations that were working on behalf of Russia. Resisting invasion from a foreign power is one of the few times where it's acceptable for a democratic nation to get a bit heavy handed with that stuff.
The problem is that we’re supporting Ukraine on the cheap, drawing down munition stocks with the promise of replacing them at some undetermined point in the future, (Kind of reminds me of what Biden did to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve…) instead of funding manufacture of new munitions today and maintaining the stocks. So they could pretend our support for Ukraine was cheaper than it really was.
So you're in favour of the US building more munitions to send to Ukraine?
That decision has resulted in our support of Ukraine seriously degrading our military readiness. It’s also exposed a dirty little secret that our munitions stores and manufacturing capacity aren’t actually sufficient to sustain a real shooting war with an adversary who won’t fold in the first month.
Sounds like Ukraine is doing the US a favour in testing out those manufacturing supply chains.
But I'm still pretty dubious it's hurt the US's readiness. The war degrades one of the US's two big potential adversaries without the US losing a single soldier, it helps the US see how to fight a modern war, and the US's big weapon, fighters, are largely out of the mix.
I think supporting Ukraine is important enough to do, and pay the cost of doing. Not everybody thinks it is. That doesn’t mean they like Putin taking over neighbors, it means they view supporting Ukraine as an unaffordable luxury.
I'm pretty skeptical of that. A few pay lip service to cost, but the bulk of GOP war opposition in the US seems to be coming from the Tucker Carlson camp who sees Russia as an ally for helping Trump and being a christian/fascist state (those don't always go together, but they do for Carlson and Putin).
You're a damn fool, Bellmore.
You don't think that severely damaging Russia's military and discouraging them from further aggression will make the world safer, including for the US?
Are you really such a blinkered idiot as to think we should just sit and ignore this.
I don't have words to say how fucking stupid, ignorant, and mean-spirited the GOP position on Ukraine is.
"you want something badly we aren’t too excited about, so you better give us something we are excited about.'
GOP has hardly any leverage for its issues. This is one where they do have leverage. So they are using it.
Even Mitt freaking Romney supports the GOP stance.
I don’t see that is making any serious attempt at actual comparison. When a hardball negotiator demands a quid pro quo, nobody believes that the quo is of the same nature as or intellectually analogous to the quid. The negotiator is merely seeking a price that has commensurate value to the thing other side wants, although sufficiently less value that the other side will be willing to pay it to getvthe quo.
The not-so G OP is holding up aid to Ukraine Israel, and demanding its domestic priorities be met in exchange, because it calculates the other side will cave and be willing to pony up to get the aid released, and also because it doesn’t particularly care about the aid except for its value as a bargaining chip. I don’t anybody takes seriously the idea that the two issues have some sort of intellectual similarity.
In fact, think treating this sort of hardball negotiation as if it were some sort of intellectual debate is intellectually dishonest. It obscures rather than illuminates what’s going on. It smacks of hagiography. Trying to describe partisan infighting whose reality more resembles a bar brawl or a hostage-taking and ransom situation as if it were some sort principled intellectual debate among saintly gentlemen insults the intellect. It doesn’t aid it.
Our Constitution does not function with "hardball negotiating". The federal government can only function if there is good faith. It might sound naive, but it is true.
I don't think that's quite what James Madison said. He expected factions to exist and envisioned a system which would force them to compromise, not one which would charm them into all singing "Kumbaya" together. So far as I can see, the Democrats are unwilling to compromise on border security, and are willing to at least postpone additional Ukrainian aid to the 11th hour, if not the 13th, on that account.
Most Republicans claim to support funding for Ukraine. All of them support funding for Israel. I think all of them support increased funding for the border. As far as I know, none of them oppose the humanitarian aid portion of the bill. When Democrats considered including a DACA provision in the bill, Republicans said they wouldn't even negotiate if DACA was included. So the Republican position is that they agree with everything in the bill, but won't pass the bill as is, and they won't negotiate an agreement where Republicans get additional stuff they want in exchange for Democrats getting additional stuff they want.
I don't see how you can characterize this impass as being the result of Democrats being unwilling to compromise on border security.
If I recall correctly it was Biden who originally conflated two separate issues by tying funding of Israel to funding of Ukraine saying in effect that if Republicans wanted to fund Israel they needed to fund Ukraine. And back in August Biden tried to make Hawaii disaster relief and Ukraine aid a single package. In fact it seems like every time there is a disaster that needs federal aid the Democrats add additional spending to it. Tying border security to Ukraine funding isn't something new.
Actually, Biden is the one who tied border funding to Ukraine and Israel. He proposed a bill that would combine additional funding for border security with additional funding for Ukraine and funding for Israel. As Biden put the border on the table, Republicans cannot be said to be acting in bad faith for negotiating the terms offered by the President.
If he didn't want to link the issues, Biden shouldn't have linked the issues.
Rumor has it that the Dems will abandon Ukraine to preserve the wide-open border.
Oh STFU.
Like you know anything about anything.
The analogy is irrelevant. They are playing the government shutdown game again on a smaller table.
People come to the US to find work. If they can make $15/hr here and only fifteen cents a day at home, they'll find a way to do so regardless of the "rules" about documentation.
Want to keep them from skirting the rules? Go after the people who hire them. Of course, the problem with doing that is that entire sectors of our economy depend on cheap undocumented laborers. (c.f. Devin Nunes' family dairy farms)
So, basically, what we have is a bunch of grandstanding about the issue with no real interest in addressing the problem.
Of course, anyone can see that it's orthogonal to what's going on with Ukraine. And if you asked any Republican ten years ago if they'd be willing to spend 5% of our defense budget to destroy 50% of Russia's military they would eagerly accept the offer. What changed? Good question.
'(c.f. Devin Nunes’ family dairy farms)'
...various Trump concerns...
So to take away the excuse that they didn't know that the person applying for a job was an illegal alien you would support making E-verify mandatory? We conservatives would be on board with that. We would also support doubling or tripling the fines employers must pay when caught and forbidding employers caught multiple times hiring illegal aliens from receiving government contracts. The E-verify being mandatory can even be part of the deal. Sound fair?
We conservatives would be on board with that.
I bet a lot of you wouldn't. Especially the fines part.
Recently in Florida mandatory E-verify was passed by party line votes with every Republican voting for it and every Democrat voting against.
In fact most conservative proposals on illegal immigration do increase penalties on companies that hire illegal aliens. Of course it's the Democrats that oppose such penalties.
So would you approve of these fines for employers caught hiring illegal aliens?
The pro-war open borders globalist "libertarian" offers his opinion again.
Being a "globalist" is inherent in being a libertarian. As for "pro-war," libertarianism is not a pacifist philosophy; it does not endorse initiating war, of course, but it does endorse fighting against aggression. Entirely consistent with the NAP.
Being a "globalist" seems antithetical to being libertarian, to the extent it means furthering centralization of law and government power, promotes international interventionism, and contradicts self-government and local sovereignty and self-determination.
Not pro-war = pacifism is too dumb of a false dichotomy to address.
That's a fairly recent addition to the meaning of globalism, because 'international Jewish cabal' was poor PR. It used to mostly mean corporations offshoring their labour to foreign countries where union organisers got murdered a lot.
Hang on, wait, it was 'global Jewish cabal.' So actually the derivation is honestly earned and less removed from the original.
Soros!!!
No, it isn't. It's the same thing as always. There is globalization the phenomenon, and then there's globalism as an ideology. There are many different aspects to it of course, but it can be seen as a pretty plain and simple thing very clearly expressed by many people. The whole "globalist" as a code word for dissing Jews is a real thing, but it has always been a small fringe thing.
People who don't yoke in various conspiracy theories with anti-semitic foundations to their 'concerns' about globalisation are more the fringe than those who do. Everyone's forgotten how they were going to cull the human population by poisoning the covid vaccines. And that was just *one* of the pandemic-related evil-globalists conspiracies.
We're not talking about conspiracy theories here, just straightforward differences of opinion about policy issues, and the ideology of globalism. I don't know why some folks, like you, pretend not to understand this, or pretend that the topic somehow doesn't exist. Just as an example of one opinion, our former Deputy Sec of State: https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,976015,00.html
It's a very mainstream thing on both sides, not fringe, even though not belabored as frequently as whatever culture war issue du jour.
Trading votes for what you want is as old as time itself. tying disparate issues together is not unusual.
Ilya is the one conflating.