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"Strangers on the Internet" Podcast Episode 46: Dating While Sober
Substance abuse specialist Felicia Hermle guides the path for a good life after addiction
The forty-sixth episode (Apple Podcasts link here and Spotify link here) of "Strangers on the Internet" with co-host and psychologist Michelle Lange features California-based social worker and addiction specialist Felicia Hermle.
Historically, dating has been deeply entwined with going out for a drink. But what happens if one of the two dating parties has opted for a life of sobriety? And what are the pros and cons of replacing substance use with romance, or what is the effect of infatuation on the brain?
We discuss with Felicia how to handle recovery from substance use in the dating context, and how partners can show their support. Felicia talks science, introspection, and empathy on this important episode. For more of her insights, her podcast "Sobriety Checkpoint" is available here.

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Guess I am old fashioned. I find it difficult in either personal or professional situations to trust anyone I cannot sit down and have a drink with. It tends to kind of "seal the deal" for me.
The term is “break *bread* with."
Would you have a business luncheon with a pious Mormon?
I have never had the opportunity, but I have to admit I’d be very uncomfortable. It just doesn't strike me as normal. I tend to think someone who completely abstains has self control issues.
re: "Dating While Sober"
Two male roommates are talking:
A: I invited a couple of girls over tonight.
B: Oh yeah? Cool! Are they good-looking?
A: Well, mine is. Yours ... she's OK after a few drinks.
The appointed hour arrives; doorbell rings; Roommate B opens the door.
B: I CAN'T DRINK THAT MUCH!!!
"how partners can show their support"
Is there any data on how many people take the first chance to get out on learning the other has an addiction problem?
The stereotypical view is when she gets drunk she'll sleep with you but when he gets drunk he'll beat you up. I'll start the guessing at 50%. On the other hand, another stereotype is women stick with a bad man because they think he will change. So less than 50%?
When my wife and I decide we are going to cut a little loose for the evening all we ever end up doing is tell bad jokes and silly stories to one another.
"We discuss with Felicia how to handle recovery from substance use in the dating context, and how partners can show their support."
I thought dating was a phase well before recognizing any sort of partnership.
Those darn kids. GET OFF MY LAWN
To quote Ogden Nash,
Candy is dandy
Liquor is quicker