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Scientific Journal Dismisses Editor-in-Chief for Endorsing Onion Item on Gaza and Israel
The Onion speaks with more courage, insight and moral clarity than the leaders of every academic institution put together. I wish there were a @TheOnion university. https://t.co/R8gufC9opJ
— Michael Eisen (@mbeisen) October 13, 2023
Science reports:
Michael Eisen, editor-in-chief of the prominent open-access journal eLife and longtime critic of traditional journals, says he is losing that job for publicly endorsing a satirical article that criticized people dying in Gaza for not condemning the recent attacks on Israel by the Palestinian group Hamas.
"I have been informed that I am being replaced as the Editor in Chief of @eLife for retweeting a @TheOnion piece that calls out indifference to the lives of Palestinian civilians," Eisen posted on the social media platform X today. Multiple editors at eLife or advisers to the journal have already resigned to protest his dismissal.
eLife subsequently confirmed the firing in a statement, saying: "Mike has been given clear feedback from the board that his approach to leadership, communication and social media has at key times been detrimental to the cohesion of the community we are trying to build and hence to eLife's mission. It is against this background that a further incidence of this behaviour has contributed to the board's decision." …
[A day after his original post but before the firing], [Eisen] posted, "Every sane person on Earth is horrified and traumatized by what Hamas did and wants it to never happen again. All the more so as a Jew with Israeli family. But I am also horrified by the collective punishment already being meted out on Gazans, and the worse that is about to come.… The Onion is not making light of the situation. And nor am I. These articles are using satire to make a deadly serious point about this horrific tragedy."
It may well be that the removal also stems in part from friction between Eisen and others in the past (see this Nature article); but as I understand the quoted eLife statement and the credible-seeming press accounts surrounding it, his statements here were indeed the immediate cause of the dismissal. [UPDATE 10/27/23, 9:04 pm: Here's eLife's statement, which likewise says, "Mike has been given clear feedback from the board that his approach to leadership, communication and social media has at key times been detrimental to the cohesion of the community we are trying to build and hence to eLife's mission. It is against this background that a further incidence of this behaviour has contributed to the board's decision."]
I'm at a conference and can't get into this in more detail, but if the facts are as reported, it seems to me that eLife behaved in a way that scientific institutions (including journals) ought not behave. I'm with the professor quoted below:
"The whole [academic] enterprise we're engaged in rests on the ability to have open intellectual exchange about any topic and express our views honestly," says Josh Dubnau, a neurobiologist at Stony Brook University and one of the [authors of a letter opposing Eisen's removal]. "Nothing he said was repugnant or hateful. There shouldn't be consequences for minority views in academia." Dubnau went on to ask whether eLife would define acceptable positions on other controversial issues, such as abortion or the war in Ukraine.
Here's the content of the Tweeted The Onion article:
Dying Gazans Criticized For Not Using Last Words To Condemn Hamas
GAZA CITY, GAZA—The complicity of each and every Palestinian in the violent actions of their militant ruling authority was reportedly on full display Friday morning when dying Gazans received justified criticism for not using their last words to condemn Hamas. For example, instead of issuing a full-throated denunciation of the violent attacks by Hamas that have left over 1,300 Israelis dead, one dying woman holding her 6-year-old son who had just been killed in a bombing is said to have doubled down by telling her child she loved him. According to reports, such barbarism on the part of Palestinians was on full display across the Gaza Strip, where many men of fighting age could not muster a single world of reproof for Hamas' actions while they coughed up blood. In war-ravaged Gaza City, a dying reporter was heard blatantly begging for help instead of labeling Hamas a terrorist organization. At press time, the Israeli Defense Forces Twitter account underscored the massive surge of contempt they were contending with by posting a video that featured the shocking savagery of a Palestinian corpse that refused to condemn Hamas even when kicked.
As with satire generally, there are different possible interpretations here; but even if you think that academic journals should refuse to be associated with editors who express views that are genuinely extraordinarily vitriolic or vulgar or hostile, this just doesn't qualify. This is one scientist, speaking as a citizen (not on behalf of a journal), expressing a view that is generally critical of the Israeli retaliation for the October 7 attacks, and suggesting that Palestinians are being excessively criticized for their failure to condemn the attacks. It's bad for public discourse, and bad for science, if scientists have to face professional retaliation simply for expressing such political views on controversial political topics.
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He probably shouldn't be fired for this, if it's being reported correctly.
And I'm glad to see the Onion is still around.
But it will take more than this article for them to reach Babylon Bee levels of humor.
"At press time, the Israeli Defense Forces Twitter account underscored the massive surge of contempt they were contending with by posting a video that featured the shocking savagery of a Palestinian corpse that refused to condemn Hamas even when kicked."
Has the IDF actually said anything deserving of this sort of parody? Who knows, maybe they did. I'm more anti-anti-Israel than I am pro-Israel so I wouldn't assume they're always right or immune from parody.
"There shouldn't be consequences for minority views in academia"
Maybe not, but I'm not sure this Onion article is a minority view in academia in general. Maybe on this particular journal.
https://babylonbee.com/news/hamas-explains-they-only-want-israel-to-cease-fire
Superstition-based takes on religious wars are always charming.
The greatest trick Jerry Sandusky ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist
Oh, that asshole existed . . . and thrived among the gape-jawed, downscale residents of Pennsylvania's Republican cow country.
Those dumbasses still revere Joe Paterno (who enabled Sandusky, Todd Hodne, and dozens of other low-lifes) because they tend to be sanctimonious hypocrites and losers, too.
I am skeptical that this was the sole reason he was fired. And, yes, it may have been trivial on its own but there's also a reason that the saying is "the straw that broke the camel's back."
I'm skeptical we should be so receptive to back-breaking straw arguments. Anybody who's at a job for a long time is going to have a few screw-ups and incidents, that's just life. "Well, it's fine if it was the straw that broke the camel's back" is the classic exception that swallows the rule. Not expressing a legal opinion, just skeptical that morally the magazine did the right thing here. This of course does not change the fact that every member of Hamas must be executed.
Bingo.
Hamas is truly awful.
But we don’t need witch hunts against anyone who dares to formulate a different opinion.
How are we supposed to THINK if we cannot talk about our thought processes? The idea that everyone should be thinking like a politician and wondering if their political views are popular before expressing them is bad.
The world is a complicated place. People have got to have room to think.
We shouldn’t get all worked up over differences of opinion, even on important issues.
To me, the worst part of this tweet is the comparison: "more courage, insight and moral clarity than the leaders of every academic institution put together". This seems like a really dumb take for the editor-in-chief of an journal that presumably wants to maintain good relations with such institutions.
It's still small potatoes in itself.
I'd be more into this argument...if anybody to the right of Mao had not already been removed for far less than this.
I'm not going to say "Oh well, this is NOW a problem" only when it comes for the people who championed it. It was as problem well before this and now it hurts them. C'est la vie.
I agree -- this is payback.
'Imaginary liberals did bad things which is why I can rationalize supporting the actual bad thing happening here.'
We already know you're more into tribalism than principle; your weak-ass rationalization isn't really covering for much.
When this has been mentioned as a problem for years, you pooh-poohed it.
Now that it hurts some of your boos, it is a problem.
Sorry, this is the harvest of what you've been sowing for years.
My position is indeed that it deserves pooh-poohing. There is not much to establish it as any kind of intentional issue, just whining about liberal professors.
You are using nutpicking to rationalize becoming a nut.
I think you're right, for the first time ever. People need to have room to think, but not in public on Twitter. The board has every right to remove him for this, even if it weren't the "straw."
Be accountable. Free speech is power, and you can and should be ostracized for misusing your power.
Wow, this is unbelievable! I can’t believe a scientific journal would dismiss its editor-in-chief for endorsing an Onion item on Gaza and Israel. It’s so important to have freedom: https://essayusa.com/ of speech and be able to express different viewpoints, even if they are satirical. This just goes to show how sensitive some topics can be and how important it is to have open discussions about them. I hope the editor-in-chief finds a new opportunity where they can express their opinions freely.
I’m skeptical we should be so receptive to back-breaking straw arguments. Anybody who’s at a job for a long time is going to have a few screw-ups and incidents, that’s just life. “Well, it’s fine if it was the straw that broke the camel’s back” is the classic exception that swallows the rule. Not expressing a legal opinion, just skeptical that morally the magazine did the right thing here. This of course does not change the fact that every member of Hamas must be executed.
If he has a track record of public displays of poor judgement and refuses to learn from it (and note that's an "if", as I have no idea about his history apart from the "key times" comment), *something* is eventually going to be that straw. The alternative is to just keep letting him do it. So why not this particular straw?
Yeah. The truth is:
1) Very many adverse actions in life, in any context, are taken because of a combination of factors, with a proverbial camel-back-breaking straw. And by definition in those situations, the prior acts by definition weren't enough to justify the adverse actions, and the straw will always seem too trivial to justify the actions.
2) It's very easy to claim that something is a straw situation, and no way for outsiders to know whether that claim is true (unless it proceeds to litigation and we learn about all the prior straws).
...which is why, in my native land, where we have employment protection laws, letting someone go (other than summary dismissal) usually requires the preparation of a dossier over time, containing evidence of a series of instances of poor performance, records of conversations that were had with the employee to address these performance problems, etc.
Likewise. The board's comment mentioned "key times". This seems like small potatoes to fire someone over, but I would have to know what other incidents led up to it to decide whether I agree with the board.
Good. You can't "both side" this war.
This is correct: you cannot 'both side' the Simchat Torah pogrom.
You are getting mighty authoritarian these days.
The Onion is not where this conflict will live or die.
The guy who counts all Palestinian civilian deaths as acceptable collateral damage believes only Israeli casualties matter?
Shocking.
Of course Palestinian civilian casualties are unacceptable.
Hamas should put an immediate end to them by either surrendering or removing themselves from among the civilians and fighting openly.
This guy agrees with you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl5OOpCFUCs
And he knows.
Good interview.
Why would they? This is going to radicalise so many Gazans against the Israelis it'll keep their conflict going indefinitely!
"radicalise so many Gazans "
They might massacre 2800 Jews next time!
Probably? Massacre thousands of Palestinian civilians, declare victory, let it fester long enough, there’ll be another atrocity, and we’ll be going round the cycle one more time.
Point is they are already “radicalized". Butchered hundreds with glee.
"round the cycle one more time."
Maybe but you are underestimating Israeli anger. Going harder this time, like the Allies in WW2.
The people who did the butchering aren’t the ones being killed. If any of them are getting killed it’s by accident. The Israelis are not the Allies in WW2. You’re living in an infantile Hollywood fantasy. Going harder just kills more civilians. Then the new Hamas will go harder in turn. At this point you WANT Hamas to kill more civilians so it can justify Israel 'going harder' again and again. You don't care, it's just Jews and Arabs, you get to enjoy the show.
re: "you cannot ‘both side’ [a] pogrom."
Indeed.
https://reason.com/volokh/2023/10/16/67-northwestern-university-law-faculty-on-hamas-massacre/?comments=true#comment-10278367
You made a good point.
Yeah, that might prevent it from going on and on for your entertainment.
Looks like he should have posted this Onion article instead:
“The Onion’ Stands With Israel Because It Seems Like You Get In Less Trouble For That”
https://www.theonion.com/the-onion-stands-with-israel-because-it-seems-like-yo-1850922505
There are plenty of folks currently commenting on the VC that would unironically criticize Jonathan Swift for advocating cannibalism.
And more still that would endorse his proposal were it made earnestly.
Counterfactual endorsements of imaginary proposals are the best kind! Meanwhile, in the real world, https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/10/26/the-hamas-pogrom-and-the-nadir-of-journalism/ and https://redstate.com/bradslager/2023/10/25/the-ap-stylebook-stipulates-hamas-not-be-referred-to-as-a-terrorists-acceptable-for-republicans-n2165534 .
Imagine being mad at the American media for *not* hating Palestinian enough. What a strange, bizarre little world you must live in to fixate on such a thing.
As for your purported “counterfactual”, read literally any thread on here where Israel-Palestine is discussed, and you will see blatantly genocidal language defending the killing of Gazan civilians.
Why should I imagine that?
What I don't have to imagine is you seeing criticism of media for that media's one-sided, propaganda-repeating, pro-terrorism reporting and double standards ... and you saying that is criticism "for *not* hating Palestinian [sic] enough".
Nobody advocates killing civilians.
Well, outside of Hamas who does everything possible to insure it happens.
“Nobody advocates killing civilians.”
Literally four comments down from yours, one of the comments says “Nuke Gaza.” Similar comment abound in every thread on this subject. If you can’t see that, you’re either willfully blind or complicit.
There are no civilians in Gaza.
It's long been accepted that workers in munition plants are legitimate military targets, likewise tank factories, because they are making the implements of war. And things like dams are considered legitimate targets because they are resources that lead to manufacturing implements of war.
Well everyone in Gaza is either (a) a terrorist, (b) supportive of terrorists, or (c) a child being trained to be a terrorist. Under the rules of war which have existed for over a century, all three are legitimate military targets -- and we should KILL THEM ALL.
This is not a war where we take away their rifles and they become peaceful workers rebuilding their cities -- these are people who have no water because they keep ripping up water pipes to make into rockets. They want to die for Allah and let's facilitate that.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
I notice you didn't dispute any of my points.
This is utter insanity = Well everyone in Gaza is either (a) a terrorist, (b) supportive of terrorists, or (c) a child being trained to be a terrorist. Under the rules of war which have existed for over a century, all three are legitimate military targets — and we should KILL THEM ALL.
Infants and small children are innocent.
Killing every member of Hamas is a legitimate war aim. That cannot happen soon enough.
Only infants and small children are innocent now? You're not that far removed from Dr. Ed's genocidal rants.
Perhaps you should volunteer to go murder civilians yourself. Carry on with your bloodlust!
Wow. Truly deranged. Seek help.
Not going to lie, the picture of the editor hugging ms. crawley melts my heart. Surely there is a god that loves us.
Agree this was totally inappropriate for the journal to do.
They can't fire him for just being a fucking prick so they found another "Reason" (get it?) His Wikipedia entry also says he's a Red Sox fan (and Hah-vud grad, go figger), so he's probably just still pissed they finished last, 23 games behind the Orioles. But hey, maybe he can find work in Gaza? they probably have an opening in one of their Scientific publications.
Frank "do something useful, Idiot"
"Just being a fucking prick" is one of the best, and certainly most legal, reasons for firing someone.
“But hey, maybe he can find work in Gaza? they probably have an opening in one of their Scientific publications.
Frank “do something useful, Idiot””
Frank, weren’t you headed to Israel to do something useful?? When is that happening?
It's classified top Secret like the identities of our Special Forces Operators, so I'll do like Parkinsonian Joe did and blow my cover,
Sunday (It's like Monday in Israel) November 12, and not like there's a lot of options for where you fly into on Delta.
Frank
That is truly commendable!
Nuke Gaza!
Nuke (figuratively) Hamas, then make Gaza a gun free zone.
YES!
Please, please, please nuke territory that's approx. 25 miles from your capital.
You might almost get the impression that these blowhards don't know the first thing about Israel and Palestine...
Use small nukes.
Or MOABs. Lots of MOABs...
Fuck the "Palestinians" -- they've been nothing but terrorists for the past 50 years, and they are corrupting American education.
The Volokh Conspiracy . . . the place to come to see people break US federal law.
(c)Incitement Offense.—
Whoever directly and publicly incites another to violate subsection (a) shall be fined not more than $500,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1091
That you think anyone with control over nukes and even the barest hint of a desire to use them against Gaza is being incited by throw-away comments on Reason.com should tell anyone who has never even seen your long history of other stupidity all they need to know about you.
Also, above and beyond the fact that Israel is a sovereign country not subject to US law, where would a citizen's First Amendment rights come into this?
While one usually thinks of anti-war demonstrations, there have also been pro-war ones over the years, and political figures have advocated military actions. For example, Barry Goldwater advocated dropping nukes on North Vietnam.
Goldwater may have been *wrong*, but was his speech criminal?
I "made the ... statement in jest and sarcastically, (which should be) apparent to any objective observer."
(It worked for Trump.)
It's like when a friend of mine got jailed over a joke about "Cruise missiles". He did NOT work for the Air Force, and had no way of launching one, of course, and it was a Tom Cruise pun to begin with.
But the judge was apparently on retainer to Scientology...
However abhorrent it would be to nuke Gaza, it would not be genocide, because the "specific intent to destroy, in whole or in substantial part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group"-requirement wouldn't be met.
I don't think you can plausibly say that Gazans are a distinct group on any of the bases listed. They are Palestinians, as are the Palestinians who live in the West Bank and Palestinian refugees abroad. You might argue that Gazans are a "substantial part" of the Palestinian people, but that still seems like a stretch.
(Fortunately ICJ precedents, like the Vukovar case concerned killing at a much smaller scale.)
They are Arabs, there is no "Palestinian" ethnic group and no nation.
Just descendants of settler-colonists from Arabia.
Tell us you don't know the relevant constitutional law and also cannot read either statutory text or easily hyperlinked definitions without using so many words.
So it's your contention that there's a substantial likelihood that post will cause it to actually happen, imminently?
With Apologies to "Smokin Joe" Frazier,
"Take out the Head and the Legs will follow"
I'd confine the Nuke-ular Bombs to Ear-Ron, they've been wanting one for so long, lets give them a few!
With Ear-Ron literally without a pot to shit in, like Marx (Karl, not Groucho) said about the State, Ham-Ass will just wither-away
Any that aren't withering can be shot, as usual.
And Like "Bob" said in Office Space,
"We fixed the Glitch"
Frank
My proposal for a nuke-ular (HT "W", Jimmuh Cartuh) attack on Ear-Ron's 50 largest Military/Industrial targets isn't looking so crazy now, is it?
Frank
He should have been publicly denounced first.
What if a human rights expert spoke on a science topic !!
I have noticed over several decades that even when always-mediocre scientists start to decline in their abilities they often, very often , get political. Just an observation.
The problem with both The Onion and The Bee on this topic is that neither of them are funny in the slightest. And being funny is their only job.
Since they aren't funny, they just come across as partisan. Yet another biased media outlet spewing Left or Right.
Which is why this editor's remarks got him in such hot water. It's not his fault. He thought he was commenting on a humor website. Little did he know he was commenting on today's version of Newsweek.
Oh, come on. This was hardly the Onion's best work, but they are occasionally funny, though not as reliably so as the Babylon Bee. Granted, perusing their current offerings I'm having trouble backing that defense of them up.
This is a bit funny, anyway: "New Law Requires People Who Publicly Announce They Need To Take A Piss To Register As Sex Offenders" A little bit.
Not as funny as this, though: "Smoke Rises Over Capitol Indicating Congress Has Resumed Setting Taxpayers' Money On Fire"
Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My Cock?
https://www.theonion.com/why-do-all-these-homosexuals-keep-sucking-my-cock-1819583529
Having to go back 25 years speaks poorly of the Onion.
I haven't read The Onion to any real extent for quite some time now, save for the occasional single piece I see highlighted somewhere or forwarded to my by a friend or family member, so I have no idea what their overall tone is now. But they used to be pretty reliably funny. For me that was mostly due to 3 things:
1) The quality of the writing was often far superior (in terms of style and command of English) to a lot of what passes for modern written journalism, which always struck me as a sort commentary in an of itself.
2) The nature of the satire was usually them poking fun at aspects something that most reasonable people would recognize as something that warranted lampooning, regardless of one's locations on any sociopolitical spectra.
3) The meting out of that satire was more-or-less even handed, or at least did not suggest any real agenda-driven one-sidedness. Everyone was a fair game. This is one of the things that made the show In Living Color so successful. They weren't out to ridicule/critique anyone in particular or push any sociopolitical agendas, and none of it was mean-spirited. And everyone was fair game. Black, Asian, gay, straight WASPs, liberals, conservatives...even the handicapped. That made it easy to laugh when even whatever group(s) you belong to were having fun poked at it/them, because nothing was sacred nor was there any "us against them" mentality being pushed.
The Onion was never even-handed.
You just got more sensitive.
They were never even-handed, but at one time they were less one-sided.
I temporarily unmuted Sarcastr0 just to see how much of a childishly dishonest strawman his response to me was this time. He didn’t disappoint.
You have been talking about your mute list a whole lot lately.
We are all very intersted and think you should talk more about it.
Personally I am very owned you think I am childish and dishonest, even as you post angry empty comments calling countless people the same thing daily, and then say you've muted them long ago.
It's not The Onion's fault the right decided to combine extremism with clownishness to such an extravagant degree.
There's no obligation on satirists to be even-handed.
The nature of the satire was usually them poking fun at aspects something that most reasonable people would recognize as something that warranted lampooning, regardless of one’s locations on any sociopolitical spectra.
Satire that only pokes fun at things "most reasonable people" would agree deserves it would be really weak satire. Like drinking chamomile in the morning instead of a dark roast coffee.
Satire that only pokes fun at things “most reasonable people” would agree deserves it would be really weak satire.
Given that I said nothing at all about the strength/weakness (whatever that is supposed to mean) of any satire your comment is meaningless as a response to what I did say, which was that what I described was one of the qualities that made it easy to perceive as humorous.
Keep trying though.
I found it quite easy to perceive the Onion piece at issue here as being humorous. I identified the goal of the commentary and saw the parallels with the behavior of real people easily as well. Perhaps the problem is that you found yourself reflected in the piece too accurately for you to find it funny.
Besides, as others have said, satire isn't just about being funny. If it doesn't make you uncomfortable in any way, then it might not even qualify as satire. It is inherent in the genre to try and point out flaws in society and its institutions, so there are always going to be a substantial number of people in the audience that will identify with the target of the satire. Granted, good satire isn't so caustic as to make it impossible for those people to see the humor and engage in some self-reflection. Otherwise, the authors are just entertaining people that agree with them. But some of the people that exhibit the behavior or characteristics being mocked get offended and don't find any humor in it will just be due to their lack of ability or desire for self-reflection.
If your point is that this piece or the Onion more generally is no longer good satire, then go right ahead and make that case.
The problem with the Onion is that they've largely lost interest in poking fun at their own side. Which is not to say that they never run anything at the expense of Democrats, but when they do, it's usually because the Democrats weren't adopting the left-wing position. Like, "Biden expresses doubts that enough Palestinians have died."
See anything there that makes the actual terrorists look bad? No, not really.
You contrast that with the Babylon Bee, which regularly pokes fun at Christians and right-wingers, not just the left. "8 Classic Children's Books Reviewed By Dr. Jordan B. Peterson" "Joel Osteen Wears His Pastor Costume For Halloween Again" "Chaos At Congressional Halloween Party As House Republicans All Wear Same Clown Costume"
The Bee isn't afraid of their core audience sternly saying, "That's not funny!", and going away. The Onion is.
'The Bee isn’t afraid of their core audience sternly saying, “That’s not funny!”'
Just as well.
Perhaps the problem is that you found yourself reflected in the piece too accurately for you to find it funny.
The problem is that you're such an illiterate dipshit you didn't understand what I posted, not a single word of which was devoted to any sort of criticism of the piece in question. I was responding to Brett's assertion that The Onion "was never reliably funny".
If your point is that this piece or the Onion more generally is no longer good satire, then go right ahead and make that case.
Learn how to read. My case was that I found The Onion to be generally pretty funny back when I used to read it fairly often, for the reasons I cited. I thought I made that case pretty clearly...you moron.
Brett’s assertion that The Onion “was never reliably funny”
My bad. What Brett actually said was that they're not as reliably funny as The Babylon Bee. My response was that I found them to be so back when I read them regularly.
Learn how to read. My case was that I found The Onion to be generally pretty funny back when I used to read it fairly often, for the reasons I cited. I thought I made that case pretty clearly…you moron.
And I was taking issue with one of those reasons that you cited. And I agree that your point was quite clear. This is what you wrote that I was replying to:
2) The nature of the satire was usually them poking fun at aspects something that most reasonable people would recognize as something that warranted lampooning, regardless of one’s locations on any sociopolitical spectra.
I replied that satire is not, in fact, usually aimed only at things that "most reasonable people would recognize as something that warranted lampooning, regardless of one's locations on any sociopolitical spectra." Satire that fit your description would be really weak and forgettable if most people would already agree with the author's point and position. If satire is "usually" that weak, then satirists are usually not effective at causing people to reflect on society in a new way. Satire is not meant to just be funny, but to stimulate people to think about the flaws of society in ways that they weren't already thinking about those flaws or to recognize flaws that they didn't realize existed.
If you used to find The Onion to be funny, because you thought it fit what you described in 2), then you weren't reading it to appreciate and learn from the satirical aspects of their writing. You were reading it because it was reinforcing what you already thought in a funny way.
If I agree with the points that The Onion authors are making the vast majority of the time, then that is all I would be getting out of it as well.
Any bit of comedy that employs satire, irony, or sarcasm in a proper and correct fashion requires that some portion of the audience be confused (or even hurt) by the comedy.
Ambiguity is not a bug, but the central feature of any type comedy that plays with or invokes satire and irony. Simply put, the possibility that a reader can misunderstand the message is necessary to the proper conveyance of the message.
This ambiguity is not a bug - it is the distinguishing feature
The piece is satire, not straight humor.
I thought it was funny.
Especially the part about doubling down. Something you guys would say!
"Get off my lawn" is not an antisemitic statement... unless the person uprooting your grass happens to be Jewish. In that corner case, "Get off my lawn" -- or even "Hey, could you pretty please kindly refrain from burning my house and lawn" -- becomes both defiance of the world order instituted by the highest deity and an insult to an entire ethnic culture.
The number of people who condone killing of civilians and the destruction of their property is equally divided by religious fervor. Luckily, the total is small and dwindling: the majority of the population -- in America and in the world at large -- is as weary of whiny, credit-unworthy Israelis ever-expanding their borders via violent acts that would make Shylock blush as it is of impoverished Arabs using whatever arms and means available to them in an effort to escape the ghettos in which they have been corralled.
I'd ask a guy on my lawn to get off and if he didn't, I'd call the police. If the police then told me "Hey, he's Jewish, so he can do whatever he wants to do on your lawn," I would then have an issue with both the person on my lawn and the police. What would I do next? I certainly would _not_ kill the guy's houseguests, but I might indeed throw rocks at him until he departs my yard. I'd have some words for the police, too.
Without honest discussion of all aspects of the matter, it will never be resolved. Since 1917, the goal of imperialists-in-power has been "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people [...] it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine" but the "advanced nations who by reason of their resources, their experience, or their geographical position can best undertake [the] responsibility" have done a piss-poor job of it.
"Palestinians" stole the land from Christians and Jews historically.
Empathy is low.
And the Christians and Jews stole it before that.
This statement
has nothing to do with whoever has some kind of divine or historical claim running from the river to the sea. It’s a recognition that neither side has seemingly any interest in peace. They’re both a bunch of shitheads.
Somehow I don't see how making antisemitic allusions is supposed to disinvite us from concluding that your opposition to Jews on your lawn is based on antisemitism.
"There shouldn't be consequences for minority views in academia."
I'm glad to see academics returning to this view, though I question whether they'll continue to express it when they don't agree with the minority views in question.
...Oh, you know the ones.
We know that conservatives have their fingers crossed — a very particular cross — behind their backs when discussing the issues of academic freedom and freedom of expression.
"It may well be that the removal also stems in part from friction between Eisen and others in the past"
I remember when Larry Summers said there might be differences between male and female brains, Harvard looked for other reasons to justify forcing him out.
From my perspective as an editor-in-chief of two international scientific journals, this firing seems strange and highly unusual on the face of it. As eLife is contrarian as a stand-alone journal distinct from a commercial of professional society offering, I suspect that there is a complicated back story, for which Eisen's social media posts provided a convenience excuse.
The 'best' part is it's not even someone doing something objectionable, despicable, even, like supporting Hamas, it's just going against the official orthodoxy that Israel has the right to kill all those civilians and that's ok. People criticise the US for killing civilians whenever it happens and the media notices, there's no debate about Russia killing civilians because nobody at all supports Russia killing civilians, but for some reason in the current situation it's seen as particularly threatening.
I’m totally opposed to corrosive woke cancel culture and its assault on free and open dialogue except that obviously anyone who says stuff *I* disagree with should be immediately deplatformed and deported.
Yes, most leftists are like that.
Most humans are like that, most of all the faux-libertarians 'round these parts.
Usually it's not even inconsistent, just a change in rhetorical focus.
If someone you don't like is getting cancelled, you can talk about how people should bear responsibility for what they say.
Whereas if someone you like is getting cancelled, you can focus on how great you think they are and that they don't deserve to be cancelled.
Anyone anti-Israel is antisemitic, but anyone anti-Palestine is just being practical.
-- VC Commentariat
not even false