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Defending Your Dog Against Family Member Can Lead to Family Violence Protective Order
A Texas court holds that only self-defense—not defense of property—is excluded from such orders (which can also temporarily strip defendant of Second Amendment rights). And the same logic applies to force, even nonlethal force, used to defend your family members against another family member as well.
From Brast v. Brast, decided yesterday by the Texas Court of Appeals (Houston), in an opinion by Justice Margaret "Meg" Poissant, joined by Justices Frances Bourliot and Meagan Hassan.
[Plaintiff] David [Brast] and [Defendant] Randy [Brast] are brothers and neighbors, and [Defendant] Ryan [Brast] is Randy's son. David and his wife, Janet, and on behalf of their son Matthew, sought a protective order from Randy and Ryan for a minimum of two years, arguing that they were in grave fear of serious bodily injury. Appellees asked that the trial court prohibit Randy and Ryan from possessing a firearm during the term of the protective order….
[The order stemmed from] an altercation that arose over a dog on March 27, 2022. The dog, which Randy said was a stray and then Ryan claimed belonged to them, wandered onto David's property. David said that he was going to shoot it or haul it off before picking the dog up and taking it inside his home. When Randy and Ryan trespassed onto David's property to retrieve the dog, the men "got into a scuffle." David testified that Randy and Ryan hit him. Randy and Ryan claimed that they were defending their property when they trespassed onto David's property to retrieve the dog.
For the next four days, Randy and Ryan fired firearms outside of their property and adjacent to David's property, including after midnight. David testified that on the third day, one of the men drove his truck to the side of the property line with David, rolled down his window, and fired gunshots into the ground while facing in David's direction. Finally, David testified that he feared for his life and he feared Randy and Ryan will "come in [and] kill me one night or one evening-me and my family." Janet also testified that she feared for her and her family's life during the events of March 27 and in the future.
[Ryan's friend] Grayson testified about the scuffle and about ownership of the dog that led to the incident, confirming that he had given the dog as a puppy to Randy's daughter. When Ryan testified, he denied striking his uncle David, threatening David or his son, or later discharging a firearm in the middle of the night. Instead, he claimed that on March 27 he was only retrieving his family dog after David threatened repeatedly to shoot it.
The court issued one-year protective orders against Randy and Ryan, which included a ban on their "possessing firearms or ammunition." They defended in part on the grounds that "the[ir] actions were justified under Texas Penal Code § 9.41(b), concerning actions taken in the defense of property":
A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible, movable property by another is justified in using force against the other when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the property if the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit after the dispossession and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no claim of right when he dispossessed the actor; or
(2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using force, threat, or fraud against the actor.
But the court held that the family violence protective order statute didn't allow such a defense:
"Family violence" necessary for a protective order under the Family Code is defined [in relevant part] as:
(1) an act by a member of a family or household against another member of the family or household that is intended to result in physical harm, bodily injury, assault, or sexual assault or that is a threat that reasonably places the member in fear of imminent physical harm, bodily injury, assault or sexual assault, but does not include defensive measures to protect oneself; ….
The plain language of the statute provides that acts in self defense are not family violence, but it contains no similar provision concerning the defense of property. Thus, we conclude that actions in the defense of property do not preclude a finding of family violence as necessary for a protective order under the Family Code and reject appellants' argument….
This strikes me as a bad result. These defendants may have done much more than try to protect their dog (for instance, if the allegations of threatening gunshots were true). But the logic of the opinion goes far beyond that: It makes clear that any use of physical force—including of course nonlethal force—to defend property is "family violence" that can justify a protective order. If a family member is trying to kill your dog, and you punch him to rescue the dog, you're guilty of family violence, and have no legal defense against a possible protective order.
Indeed, under the court's logic, you're guilty of family violence even if you use nondeadly force to protect another person, since that's still not "defensive measures to protect oneself." Punching a family member to protect your child (or a sibling or a parent or anyone else) is "family violence" and can lead to a restraining order (and the temporary loss of gun rights).
I'm skeptical that the court was correct in its statutory analysis. It's true that the "but does not include defensive measures to protect oneself" language on its face is limited to self-defense, and not defense of property or defense of another. But the statutes allowing defense of property and defense of a third person are also statutes, and they expressly say that such behavior "is justified." They create an exception to a wide range of criminal laws dealing with violence, and I think it may make sense to read them as creating an exception to the family violence statute as well.
But even if the court was right as to the statutory analysis, the result still seems to be very bad from a policy perspective. The prohibition on firearms possession based on a defendant's noncriminal defense of property or third persons would also violate the Second Amendment, I think. (The Second Amendment challenge in this case was dismissed on mootness grounds, because the one-year gun restriction had expired by the time the appeal was decided.) I hope the Texas Legislatures steps in here, to protect lawful defense of family members, as well as of pets and other property, in such situations.
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One thing is for sure. A panel of three women should never stand in judgment of any man.
Or maybe that’s all that should stand in judgement of any man.
I think the court is wrong as a matter of statutory interpretation to read self-defense so narrowly.
As far as treating a dog as merely property, like it is the same as an inanimate object, that is definitely ridiculous as a matter of policy. If David had taken, I don’t know, a wrench that did not belong to him into his house, there would be no urgency to “save” the wrench. It would make sense for Randy and Ryan to call the police to get help rather than to engage in immediate self-help.
But here, David allegedly took a dog into his house and threatened to kill it. If true, that creates a sense of urgency and certainly would justify immediate action. If someone took my pet into their house and threatened it, I would immediately follow and use the level of force necessary to get it back. Calling the police doesn’t do any good if someone has already killed your pet in the meantime.
I agree with Professor Volokh. This case involves questionable statutory interpretation and a bad policy outcome.
Let’s not overlook the fact that Plaintiff David is obviously a giant piece of shit.
What other kind of person would see a stray dog and think the appropriate response is to take it inside your house and murder it? There isn't any indication it was being violent, aggressive, or dangerous. Why not just call Animal Control and have it taken to a shelter where the owner can be re-united with it, or possibly adopted by a loving family?
As to the ‘pets being property’ issue, there has to be a good reason why it’s considered such across the country, but for the life of me I cannot figure out what that good reason is. Anyone attempting to harm mine would face immediate and likely unlawful consequences.
It's not clear whether the threat to shoot the dog was more than an allegation by Randy and Ryan (who were slightly inconsistent on the ownership of the dog - stray, or owned by them, or given to them by Ryan's friend). But nobody who is going to shoot a dog takes it into his house to do that, if only because of the mess that would result.
I suspect that David was well aware that the dog was associated with Randy and Ryan and that this was just an extension of previous disputes between the two households; his actions don't make a lot of sense otherwise. But the trial court had the opportunity to judge the credibility of those who testified, so I'm inclined to believe the later threatening behavior occurred.
The appeal only addresses the question of whether actions in defense of property authorized by one law can also be family violence under another law (ignoring the moot 2nd amendment challenge). The legislature either intended the answer to be yes or wrote their laws badly; the judges are not at fault in this outcome. I don't think the protective order is a bad result here given the subsequent threatening actions, which were not necessary to defend their property.
If the protective order was justified based on the subsequent allegations, there was no need to mention the dog.
Who do you think would not be mentioning the dog? Certainly Randy and Ryan would bring up the dog to justify their actions.
The dog doesn't really justify the alleged firing of guns for four nights in a row in order to further intimidate the plaintiff. If that is what the restraining order was based on, then no need to mention the dog.
What I think R & R had the authority to do was go and retrieve their dog. Not try to terrorize the plaintiff in retaliation IF that is what happened.
Of course, the dog is relevant to the second story, but in a different way. Like, one could rule that even if it was perfectly legitimate to use reasonable force to retrieve the dog, the actions subsequent to that (also motivated by anger over the dog, perhaps) was not reasonable. So, it is not that the dog should not be mentioned, but in a different way. Sorry if I was imprecise there.
The protective order required a finding that family violence had occurred and that it was likely to occur in the future, so it was necessary to find that the scuffle occurred; the dog was in that sense irrelevant, but Randy and Ryan would necessarily bring it up to justify their actions. (And perhaps had to, to evade other legal consequences; if they simply trespassed and fought with David, they wouldn't have the benefit of Tex. Penal Code Ann. § 9.41(b) which allowed them to use force to defend their property, the dog.)
The current case is under the Family Code where only self-defense is excepted from the definition of family violence. It may be that this was intended so that requests for protective orders don't turn into an endless rehash of escalating grievances -- family violence is only excused if defending oneself, in which case the other person did family violence unless they were defending themselves, and ultimately there must be a person who first did family violence. So, despite what your mother told you, it does matter who started it, and I'm not sure that is necessarily bad public policy for protective orders.
Is a property owner obligated to permit another person to enter the property to retrieve a dog that is on the property by no fault of the property owner? Or is the property owner entitled to prevent the other person from trespassing, addressing the issue of the uncontrolled dog in another manner?
I think this is a bad case to judge that on. Wouldn't most people be only slightly annoyed at a neighbor's young dog wandering into their yard and the owners entering to retrieve it? It would depend on the amount of destruction the dog (or its owners) inflicted on their landscaping.
Given the differing statements regarding the dog (stray versus owned), it must not have been with the one brother's family for long, and was not dangerous seeming given that the other brother simply picked it up and carried it into his house. I'm pretty sure there was animosity predating the dog, and with the subsequent intimidation, the argument that this situation is unlikely to recur is likely to prove wrong.
How have we come to this in TEXAS?!!
Right! In Texas, the answer should be obvious: barbecue the dog, and let the neighbors have a feast of reconciliation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDybqi-X9ko
The Texas Supreme Court might have something else to say. If this was an appellate court in Houston, the judges are likely all democrats.
I can't speak to the specifics of this Texas law but it is normatively wrong to call this "family violence" at all. They live in separate households. They are neighbors. This should have been dealt with under the same laws that apply to non-related neighbors. Family violence is supposed to be about the special risks of the people you live with, not your third cousin twice removed.
This seems right to me. Domestic violence law is about the domus (home), not blood relationships. This kind of order should only stand as to when they are in the household of a third member of their family, and they cannot predictably avail themselves of physical separation.
This seems right to me. Domestic violence law is about the domus (home), not blood relationships.
The problem is that this falls under the Texas “Family Code”, not a “Domestic Code”. And the Definitions section of that code defines “Family” as…
Sec. 71.003. FAMILY. “Family” includes individuals related by consanguinity or affinity, as determined under Sections 573.022 and 573.024, Government Code, individuals who are former spouses of each other, individuals who are the parents of the same child, without regard to marriage, and a foster child and foster parent, without regard to whether those individuals reside together.
Relation by “consanguinity” is defined in 573.022 as:
Sec. 573.022. DETERMINATION OF CONSANGUINITY. (a) Two individuals are related to each other by consanguinity if:
(1) one is a descendant of the other; or
(2) they share a common ancestor.
(b) An adopted child is considered to be a child of the adoptive parent for this purpose.
Obviously the bolded provision is ridiculously broad, as it makes every pair of human beings alive today “family” by virtue of common ancestry if one goes back far enough. But, that’s what the law says.
Texas is like the Olive Garden: when you're here, you're family.
LOL
But 573.002 says "Except as provided by Section 573.043, this chapter applies to relationships within the third degree by consanguinity or within the second degree by affinity."
Degree of consanguinity is determined in 573.023 by adding the number of generations between each of the individuals and the nearest common ancestor; so having only a common grandparent would be fourth degree. (David's wife would be second degree of affinity to Randy.)
Yeah, I missed that when I clicked through on the links to 573.022 and 573.024. So while I still think defining “family” to include great-grandparents/children is overly broad for most purposes, and my point about the definition not being confined to “domestic” relationship remains valid, it’s not what I mistakenly thought it was.
Then I think the law fails under the Bruen rules and also does not satisfy either strict or "heightened" scrutiny.
Uh, the Bruen rules abolished reliance on tiers of means-end scrutiny. 597 U.S. ___, 142 S.Ct. 2111, 2125-26 (2022).
If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch.
That’s why I said “and also”, dick weed. That part was for the benefit of people who hope that the Court will change its mind about Bruen.
I agree completely.
I am curious if the analysis would change if the family lived on the same property but in different buildings (like a family compound).
"Family violence is supposed to be about the special risks of the people you live with, not your third cousin twice removed."
My understanding is that it's about the special risks of people you are close to. Many states' laws cover people in intimate relationships, whether you live together or not.
That might make sense for a variety of restrictions, but not for broad revocation of a core right like in this case.
Two trespasses -- one by the dog, the other by the people who seem to have been unable to control their dog -- compounded by alleged shooting for intimidation . . . what kind of asshole would defend Randy and Ryan in this context?
Seems like a lot of progressives are making arguments like this lately.
Oh, you!
“[Plaintiff] David [Brast] and [Defendant] Randy [Brast] are brothers and neighbors, and [Defendant] Ryan [Brast] is Randy’s son. David and his wife, Janet, and on behalf of their son Matthew, sought a protective order from Randy and Ryan for a minimum of two years,”
Shouldn’t the case be referred to as Brast, Brast, et Brast vs. Brast et Brast?
Which Brast is the wurst?
I hope both parties were perfectly open and honest! It's best, in a case like this, to keep no secrets, and make a clean Brast of everything.
The case overlooks the important question. Was the dog fixed? Vocally fixed, I mean.
Noise pollution is the worst form of pollution, and a barking dog is one of the worst forms of noise pollution. We should require all dog owners to have a surgical de-barking procedure done on all dogs. That’s a procedure in which the surgeon modifies the dog’s larynx (voice-box) so that the vocal folds (vocal cords) no longer phonate (no longer make any vocal noise, only a soft whistling hiss like an air-gun or an aerosol spray) when the dog tries to bark. This surgery can be done using laparoscopic instruments; some surgeons can do it without even a stab-wound, and it is, in any case, much less traumatic, less painful, less demanding, and less challenging for the dog than having a female dog fixed reproductively which involves removing a substantial, highly-vascularized internal organ, but which no sensible person objects to. Also, in spite of numerous studies by top-level veterinary scientists, no evidence has ever shown that the dog regrets or even perceives that it no longer makes the filthy noise when it barks. It goes on passing the air explosively through its now-modified larynx and enjoys the pleasure of the exhalation every bit (as far as anyone can measure) as well as it used to enjoy making the horrible noise before the surgery.
If you are a dog-owner, get your dog de-barked NOW! And if you are a voter, support laws to mandate the same!
(Aristotle, and, no doubt, numerous other philosophers, advocated banning dogs altogether from the polis.)
My days of not taking you seriously are definitely coming to a middle.
In many cases a dog's usefulness is in barking, to alert its owners and discourage intruders. The fault lies with the owners who do not teach the dog not to bark when inappropriate.
On the policy issue, I think in the specific facts of this case, the Texas legislature is entirely justified to conclude, as the judge found it concluded, that you have to have more than a dog in a fight to justify resorting to firearms, and that it should be unlawful to shoot a human being, or even use a gun to threaten a human being, in a dispute over a dog and nothing more.
Perhaps there might be greater justification with different facts. But this was a dispute over a dog. It’s entirely reasonable for a state legislature to conclude that such a dispute is just too petty to justify people pointing guns at each other and risking people getting killed.
Exactly. Ostensible adults running around with guns. Over a fucking dog.
"It’s entirely reasonable for a state legislature to conclude that such a dispute is just too petty to justify people pointing guns at each other and risking people getting killed."
Seriously.
“It’s entirely reasonable for a state legislature to conclude that such a dispute is just too petty to justify people pointing guns at each other and risking people getting killed.”
Seriously.
Except that the state legislature has concluded no such thing, nor did the judge conclude that they did.
1. It's already generally illegal to use deadly force in defense of property (though there are some complications), including pets. Whether this includes merely threatening to use deadly force varies from state to state.
2. But in any event, the statute makes no mention of firearms, or of deadly force. Rather, it authorizes restraining orders for (among other things) any "act ... intended to result in physical harm[ or] bodily injury," which includes nondeadly force such as punches. The court concluded that this statutory provision has no exclusion for physical harm aimed at defense of property. That means that, under the new precedent, even nondeadly force aimed at using pets, with no use of firearms, can justify a restraining order. There's just nothing in the decision that draws the line you suggest.
3. Had the court said that the provision is limited to unlawful use of force (including in defense of property or of third persons), then that might well yield something like the line you suggest, for reasons given in item 1. But the court didn't do that.
It’s already generally illegal to use deadly force in defense of property (though there are some complications), including pets. Whether this includes merely threatening to use deadly force varies from state to state.
Given that, as your own linked piece acknowledges, it is legal in quite a few situations to use deadly force in defense of property in the jurisdiction in question (TX) I don't see why it matters that it is generally illegal elsewhere.
There’s just nothing in the decision that draws the line you suggest.
You're suggesting that he should actually read what he's pontificating on before posting?