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Second Amendment Roundup: Fusillade of Amicus Briefs Filed in Rahimi
A strong case is made against the ban on gun possession by persons subject to a DVRO.
A fusillade of amicus briefs has now been filed in support of affirmance of the Fifth Circuit's decision invalidating the federal ban on possession of a firearm while under a domestic violence restraining order (DVRO). While no one countenances the alleged behavior of respondent Zackey Rahimi, the various amici persuasively argue that the federal law – 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8) – facially violates the Second Amendment.
In this post, I'd like to identify some of the briefs that I thought to be extraordinary. All of the briefs are easily accessible in the docket on the Supreme Court's website.
But first I'd like to mention the Brief of Respondent, filed on behalf of Mr. Rahimi. Lead counsel is Matthew Wright, Office of the Federal Public Defender, N.D. Tex. The brief covers all of the bases of text and history, as mandated by the Court in NY State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n v. Bruen, and in particular does a thorough job of recording how the founding generation responded to interpersonal and domestic violence. That generation responded in numerous ways, but never by banning possession of arms. Contrary to myth, numerous men were jailed for spousal abuse in the new nation.
Public defenders are underappreciated, but they do God's work by providing counsel to indigents. Kudos to Mr. Wright's team for their professionalism.
Disclosure: I filed a brief on behalf of the National African American Gun Association. It focuses on the purported historical analogues relied on by the United States, such as bans on arms possession by "Greasers," "tramps," and "vagrants," which were traps for involuntary servitude. The government also cites the confiscation of arms by oppressive British monarchs, seizure of the arms of Loyalists by our own patriots in the Revolution (there was a war going on after all), and wholly irrelevant laws against gun sales to children and intoxicated persons.
The government also argues that the development of repeating arms after the Founding justifies § 922(g)(8) as warranted by "novel modern conditions." However, technological innovation in arms did not increase domestic violence, given the prevalent use of knives, blunt instruments, and bare hands by abusers.
Now on to the high points in some of the other briefs, in no special order.
In states like California and New York, DVROs are handed out like beads thrown from floats at Mardi Gras. Judges routinely sign on the dotted lines with little pretense to due process. These practices are detailed in the briefs of the Alameda County Public Defenders et al. and The Bronx Defenders Union and National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.
Is domestic violence something new that was unknown to the Founders, necessitating novel firearm restrictions? The brief of historian Angus Kirk McClellan has the obvious answer: No. "Domestic violence was a serious social problem at the founding and throughout the nineteenth century." Did English and early American law tolerate cruelty by abusive husbands to wives? The answer is also no, as McClellan demonstrates. For instance in 1687, in the colony of Pennsylvania, wife Hannah Overton brought evidence of husband Thomas Tunneclif's abuse toward her and their children. The court ordered him to give a good behavior surety which could be levied against his property. Had he not done so, he would have been jailed. McClellan also details the Founding-era surety system, which was the historical, common-law way of addressing threats of interpersonal violence. It did not involve disarmament.
On § 922(g)(8)'s failure to provide due process protections, check out the gold-star brief by Dan Peterson on behalf of Law Enforcement and Firearms Rights Groups. The federal law provides no standard of proof for issuance of a DVRO under state law, such as the "clear and convincing evidence" standard, in order to trigger § 922(g)(8)'s possession ban. Nor does it require the right to counsel or to a live hearing, where evidence can be proffered, witnesses can be cross-examined, and other procedures necessary to fundamental fairness can be followed.
A return to a "reasonableness" test to determine the validity of restrictions on the Second Amendment is advocated not just by amici for the United States, but also by some supporters of the right. But, as Cooper & Kirk's brief on behalf of the Center for Human Liberty demonstrates,
that is "obviously an invitation to the very type of untethered judicial policymaking rejected in Heller and Bruen." This brief also systematically rebuts the government's case, showing that § 922(g)(8) cannot be reconciled with the history of firearm regulation in this country, particularly because it disarms individuals who have not been found to present an imminent threat of violent criminal conduct.
As to the arguments by amici for the United States to "convert long-rejected invidious discrimination into modern constitutional precedent," David Kopel's brief on behalf of Professors of Second Amendment Law demonstrates how they "overlook the arms-related constitutional enactments repudiating the invidious laws. The right to arms is governed by constitutional enactments, and not by abuses the enactments were designed to stop."
Rahimi preserved the argument that, aside from the Second Amendment, Congress has no power under Article I, § 8, of the Constitution to restrict mere possession of arms. The brief of the Firearms Policy Coalition explains how no such power exists under either the Militia Organizing Clause or the Commerce Clause to prohibit possession of firearms. The Justices could avoid the Second Amendment arguments altogether by holding that the Framers of our Constitution plainly gave Congress no authority to regulate non-economic, intrastate matters like the relationship between intimate partners and the mere possession of a firearm in the home.
These are some of the highlights, and there are other fine briefs. David Kopel will also be blogging about the various briefs.
Meanwhile, the United States has filed a cert. petition in Garland v. Range. In that case, the Third Circuit held en banc that the federal ban on possession of a firearm by a felon is invalid as applied to a person who was not convicted of a violent felony and is not dangerous. The government suggests that the Supreme Court hold the petition until Rahimi is decided, and then dispose of the petition as appropriate. I will provide an update on the case when Mr. Range has filed his response
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"The Justices could avoid the Second Amendment arguments altogether by holding that the Framers of our Constitution plainly gave Congress no authority to regulate non-economic, intrastate matters like the relationship between intimate partners and the mere possession of a firearm in the home."
I'd love it if they did so hold. It's a drop dead obvious originalist or even just textual position.
And they're not going to hold that. Not now, and maybe not ever. It would require them to invalidate, in one fell swoop, whole reams of federal law. Not just relating to guns, or domestic violence, all sorts of laws.
I don't believe the present Court is courageous enough to do that, even if they were honest enough to admit it's the right thing to do.
Believe it or not, but that would be a holding I could get behind. The notion that someone subject to a court-ordered constraint based on a finding of propensity to violence cannot be prevented from possessing a gun is nuts, but the notion that that should be for each individual state to decide seems 100% right.
Local option on the Bill of Rights? The whole thing, or just the parts you don't like?
Each state should be free to decide how many women should be shot by their spouses. As long as a court is involved, I'm not sure what the Bill of Rights has to do with that.
I'm quite sure you realize this case is not about whether Rahimi can lawfully shoot anybody, just whether he could retain his guns.
If I have the facts right, Rahimi what happened here was the police went after Rahimi for a series of serious crimes:
"The case, United States v. Rahimi, No. 22-915, concerns Mr. Rahimi, a drug dealer in Texas with a history of armed violence, according to court records. In 2019, Mr. Rahimi assaulted his girlfriend and threatened to shoot her if she told anyone, leading her to obtain a restraining order. The order suspended Mr. Rahimi’s handgun license and prohibited him from possessing firearms.
He threatened a different woman with a gun, leading to charges of assault with a deadly weapon. Then, in the space of two months, he opened fire in public five times.
Upset about a social media post from someone to whom he had sold drugs, for instance, he shot an AR-15 rifle into his former client’s home. When a fast-food restaurant declined a friend’s credit card, he fired several bullets into the air.
The shootings led to a search warrant of Mr. Rahimi’s home, which uncovered weapons, and he was charged with violating the federal law."
Once they found the guns, they went "922g Bingo!" and didn't bother pursuing the other charges. If the SoL hasn't run, I'd hope the prosecutors will move forward with those underlying charges, which would make Rahimi a prohibited person based on his actual violent behavior.
I think 'Rahimi will be able to shoot people at will' might be more accurately phrased 'police would have had to do the work to convict him for the actual underlying crimes'.
(it's pretty hard to search for info on Rahimi's other crimes because of all the hits for the Supreme court case ... if anyone has more details, danke!)
That's the thing that really torques me about this case. The dude should be in prison a dozen times over by now. But all they see is a chance to disarm somebody.
Somebody who'd already have been behind bars if they were doing their job.
The left are incredibly casual about actual serious crimes, while at the same time they ask us to be hard core about the possibility that somebody might commit a crime. But only if it's with a gun, they're not in the least concerned about this guy knifing somebody, or beating them to death, or setting their house on fire, or any of a virtual infinity of ways the could murder people.
Just the gun. Because it's a wedge to advance the cause of disarming innocent people. That's all they actually care about, demonstrably, based on their stance in this case.
Imagine if we enforced laws because of the potential of a crime versus committing the actual crime.
Your thesis states that "just because someone has a propensity towards violence means that there will inevitably be a violent outcome in a majority of instances". That is the foundation for your restrictions. It is horrifically flawed. It follows the logic that once you commit a criminal act, there is no redemption, and you must be persecuted for life for that transgression.
That's a very slippery slope.
But the guy already committed some violent act and that's why there was a domestic violence restraining order (DVRO) issued.
And YES, we should tighten up the DVRO process and have a strong process to ensure the Subject has resources to protect his/her/hirs rights too.
That's the point: He'd already committed violent acts that were crimes, why go for a restraining order when he should have been charged and put on trial for them?
You'll have to ask Texas that and also the Protective Order process was extremely shaky, e.g., "The applicant, however, was represented by a prosecutor at the state’s expense."
Huh?
Either way, apparently he agreed to protective order and then was found in possession during a (legal) search.
That's why I said above the process definitely needs to be improved to protect rights - but that's NOT the issue here.
While no one countenances the alleged behavior of respondent Zackey Rahimi, the various amici persuasively argue that the federal law – 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8) – facially violates the Second Amendment.
When you begin with an insane predicate, it is unsurprising if you reach insane conclusions. How long will it be before we get coherent gun advocacy which acknowledges that if interpretations of the 2A facilitate conduct no one can countenance, then there is something wrong with those interpretations?
Remember when Brett Bellmore said the Constitution (or was it specifically the Bill of Rights?), wasn't a suicide pact?
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Yeah, I said it wasn't a suicide pact, because I don't think following it is suicidal.
How recent are these laws disarming people merely accused of domestic violence? Pretty recent, actually.
So, if it's suicidal to not have them, why are we alive?
Yeah, I said it wasn’t a suicide pact, because I don’t think following it is suicidal.
Not for you it isn't, maybe. But for people who aren't middle aged white guys?
I repeat: For most of this nation’s history we had no such laws, and here we are. (Including a lot of people who aren't middle aged white guys!) Ergo, not having them isn’t “suicidal”.
Why are you not characterizing failing to lock Rahimi up as “suicidal”, instead? Telling him he can’t have guns isn’t going to stop him from killing her, if he were going to do that. Why pretend that it would?
The real question is: Why even engage. You wont convince anyone. You may as well go debate with Hamas.
You laid it out perfectly above: “The left are incredibly casual about actual serious crimes, while at the same time they ask us to be hard core about the possibility that somebody might commit a crime. But only if it’s with a gun, they’re not in the least concerned about this guy knifing somebody, or beating them to death, or setting their house on fire, or any of a virtual infinity of ways the could murder people.”
The left: Everyone should be disarmed because we refuse to put Rahimi in jail.
Reality is the opposite: Everyone needs to be armed, because because we refuse to put people like Rahimi in jail, and gun sales are through the roof in prog cites.
This case is not about the likes of Rahimi, its about the standard of evidence needed to restrict a constitutional right. Again, if he’s violent, put him in jail.
Have you really thought this through? Because, you know, standard interpretations of the 1st amendment facilitate writing ransom notes and forging currency, and the creation of revenge porn. The 1st amendment facilitates all sorts of horrific acts. The 4th and 5th amendments do, too!
Just the fact that people are free enables them to do the most horrible things, that they wouldn't be able to get up to if they were chained to a wall somewhere.
The basic stance here of 2nd amendment activists is, "If a person is dangerous enough that you don't dare let them own guns while they're walking around free before a trial, why not jail them?" You've got this guy you think is evil enough that if you just let him continue to have guns until his trial date he'll kill somebody, why the hell are you letting him walk free? Because evil guys obey court orders not to have guns?
Maybe, just maybe, you're going to be saying people are dangerous because you just don't want them to have guns, but you won't do anything else to render them safe, because it's all just pretext, and you don't really care if this dude beats his girlfriend to death, or cuts her up with a knife, you're just looking for excuses to disarm people.
standard interpretations of the 1st amendment facilitate writing ransom notes and forging currency
They do?
Yup. Clearly so, and in the exact way that's relevant here: The 1st amendment guarantees access to the printing press, which, while it is almost always used for lawful purposes, is capable of being used for unlawful ones.
Ergo, the 1st amendment facilitates crime in the exact way the 2nd amendment does: By guaranteeing access to an instrument that can be used criminally, even though almost everybody won't use it that way.
Good one, Bellmore. Now let's see you make the same point without subject changes. No more dodging off to other amendments. Do it, and make sense out of it, just on the basis of Rahimi and the 2A.
"How long will it be before we get coherent gun advocacy which acknowledges that if interpretations of the 2A facilitate conduct no one can countenance, then there is something wrong with those interpretations?"
I'm pointing out that your approach to constitutional interpretation has implications beyond the 2nd amendment.
In short, you can't make sense of it, so you change the subject. You prefer to argue on the basis of cases governed by different laws. But a 2A case is not governed by 1A law.
You're just admitting you want a double standard, the 2nd amendment treated as a second class right.
Brett Bellmore : Have you really thought this through?
Huh. I thought standard interpretations of the 1st amendment included any number of restrictions. I did not cry "Fire" the last time I was in a theater because I understand it isn't permitted. You seem to have turned matters on their head.
But you're allowed to have "fire" in your vocabulary, and weren't required to don a gag when you entered the theater.
Typically, with other rights, we prohibit the actual harmful act, NOT the capacity to engage in it.
"I did not cry “Fire” the last time I was in a theater because I understand it isn’t permitted."
Your understanding is incorrect.
If you like your free speech, you can keep your free speech.
Slippery slope...
"When you begin with an insane predicate, it is unsurprising if you reach insane conclusions."
Yeah, sometimes when you have values and adhere to them the outcome is something you don't like. See e.g. ACLU defending Nazis. Now on the other hand, when you DON'T have articulable values and are solely outcome-driven, this concept will confuse you mightily.
The brief from the Tarrant County District Attorney, which reads like an entry in a left-wing blog, is sure to win over a lot of justices. It repeatedly cites Everytown and even an article from Slate entitled "Let's Stop Pretending Clarence Thomas Can Read the Framers' Minds".
"Meanwhile, the United States has filed a cert. petition in Garland v. Range. "
If they did, its not on the SC docket.
I think the federalism (commerce clause) argument can be distinguished from the 2nd Amendment one.
I think that in general, the federal government’s power to regulate interstate commerce should not extend to simple possession of substances which are not essentially in transit at the time of possession (or posessed by people who are active distributors, as in Wickard), and hence I don’t think the federal government should have power to directly regulate simple posession of firearms or, for that matter, marijuana or abortion. Once things get into the hands of ultimate consumers, they are no longer in the stream of interstate commerce. Federal jurisdiction should end.
However, the 2nd Amendment issue will arise soon enough under comparable state laws. I am skeptical of the 5th Circuit’s position and of the historical 2nd Amendment arguments.
The Founding era approaches seem to be based on an assumption that men may beat their wives, but they won’t shoot them dead. That assumption, it seems to me, is an empirical one subject to empirical analysis.
The weapons of the time were generally big, unweldy things, hard to pick up and use in the middle of an argument at close quarters. Modern firearms obviously can be so used much more readily. That difference alone suggests the possibility that conditions may have changed and the historical assumption may no longer apply.
I am in general skeptical of applying historical approaches of this nature. Laws are based on assumptions and social conditions. The whole point of having a legislature is a recognition that conditions can change and the law sometimes has to change with them.
In the past, this judicial philosophy has generally come out in expressions of support for the power of conservative legislatures to maintain traditional mores against judicially imposed change mandates, arguing that it is for legislatures and not for courts to decide whether times have sufficiently changed. But that same judicial philosophy, on its flip side, also supports the power of liberal legislatures to change laws when they think they need to, and is skeptical of judicial attempts to hold the country to the way things were done in the time of Henry II against the will of elected legislatures seeking change that the people consent to.
There are other issues. The 2nd Amendment’s implications may mean greater Due Process procedural protections are required to warrant taking away 2nd Amendment rights than are currently commonly applied in domestic restraining order contexts. But procedural Due Process rights and other issues can be dealt with in due course.
", arguing that it is for legislatures and not for courts to decide whether times have sufficiently changed."
But the whole point of putting something into a constitution is to put it beyond the reach of the legislature, to require them to get the public buy-in necessary to ratify an amendment to "decide whether times have sufficiently changed".
Where does the historical standard the 5th Circuit applied for determining precisely when 2nd Amendment rights do and do not apply appear in the Contitution? It doesn’t appear anywhere. Nothing in the Constitution says that the precise state of the law that existed in 1792 (or 1868) regarding exactly when the state can and cannot prohibit people from owning firearms has to remain frozen in time forever.
Judicial philosophy influences the kind of standards one thinks courts should adapt. These standards do not appear in the Constitution. They are judicial interpretations of it. They are in that sense judge-made law.
I think it is incumbant on the Court to articulate a standard that protects 2nd Amendment rights without freezing everything in time in order to do so. I am skeptical of judge-made law that requires freezing everything, just as I am skeptical of judge-made law that requires major social changes never contemplated by the Constitutional framers or approved by any legislature.
As I believe the Court pointed out in Bruen, the 2nd amendment is actually quite absolute in its language, and if read literally would prohibit essentially ALL gun laws. Similar to the 1st amendment in that regard, actually.
So, gun laws start out with a presumption of unconstitutionality, just because they facially always infringe the right to keep and bear arms. The Court then looks to the relevant historical period to see if the facially absolute right was understood at the time to have exceptions.
The relevant period is back then, not now, because we really want to know what they understood themselves to be ratifying, and don't give a damn what people today would have ratified. If they don't like the 2nd amendment that was passed down to them, they can damned well use Article V to change it.
It has to be that way, because if the government can just say, "Things have changed, people don't agree with that anymore.", without bothering with an amendment, then we don't have a constitution anymore. They can say that about anything, after all, whether it's true or not.
You think public opinion has really changed? Prove it by passing an amendment.
I agree with ReaderY here. We have improved the legal structures available to protect citizens in many ways since the 1810s (e.g. DVROs, home alarms, GPS tracking devices, etc.) but 2A "purists" insist nothing has changed about the need for gun regulation. It's an asymmetric approach to evolving society.
You're arguing something that's fundamentally irrelevant. Until you establish that gun control is constitutional, whether it's "needed" is irrelevant. If you established, (If only in your own mind.) that comprehensive censorship was 'necessary', would that repeal the 1st amendment? No, of course not, if you want the 1st amendment repealed, you need Article V.
Same here. If you think gun control is "needed", set out to use Article V to amend the 2nd amendment. Until you do, it's unconstitutional no matter how much you think it's needed.
But Brett, we've already crossed the rubicon about the constitutionality of arms control for citizens. No grenades, no tanks, no chemical weapons, no fully automatic machine guns, no sawed off shotguns (which absolutely existed at the time of founding) etc etc etc. There's no absolutist argument for you to defend.
What's on the table is whether additional types of regulations for otherwise legal pistols and longarms should be available. And on that topic, I don't share view that regulatory practices in 1810 were meant to lock out the policy-making branches of government from adapting to the times while still preserving an overall right to bear arms.
And to be clear, none of the other amendments have these types of absolutist supporters. Certainly not the 4th and 5th. Nor the 1st. I guess maybe the 3rd is pretty unchallenged...
It may have slipped your attention, but for some time now we've been driving Caesar back across that damned river. The attempted new regulations are more of a last ditch effort in the fact of that, than an inevitable march.
Yes, grenades are gonna be legal any day now.
You haven't rebutted the point that gun control--in at least some form--is and has been constitutional for a long time.
I think it is incumbant on the Court to articulate a standard that protects 2nd Amendment rights without freezing everything in time in order to do so.
Nothing has been frozen in time to protect 2A rights. All that has happened has been official SCOTUS recognition of the fundamental right that 2A protects.
"The weapons of the time were generally big, unweldy things, hard to pick up and use in the middle of an argument at close quarters. "
At 18" and weighing a pound and change, founding-era pistols were certainly bigger than what is available today. Hard to use during an argument?
There were pocket flintlocks in 1790. Some pistols were indeed long and heavy. Others were very compact. The first "modernish" percusion revolver was sold in 1836 by Sam Colt, pretty soon after the Bill of Rights. Lincoln was killed with a pocket pistol.
There were pocket flintlocks in 1790.
And well before that. The Queen Anne pistol became popular during it's namesake's 1702–1714 reign.
The weapons of the time were generally big, unweldy things, hard to pick up and use in the middle of an argument at close quarters.
So I see your desire to look silly isn't confined to commenting at length on things you never bothered to read, and you're now including spouting ignorance-based nonsense. I guess it's good that you're mixing things up a little.
Gambit accepted.
Offenders subject to a DVRO may retain their historically-existing 2A right to possess flintlocks and muzzle-loaders.
Gambit accepted.
Offenders subject to a DVRO may retain their historically-existing 2A right to possess flintlocks and muzzle-loaders.
Year eagerness to look just as stupid is noted.
That's the insouciant analysis I come to the comments for.
You think your idiotic comment merits some sort of "analysis"? That's cute.
Localities may ban modern printers; newspapers can make their way with nothing more than the removable or fixed-type hand presses. No one has a right to a printer capable of printing more than a few hundred pages per day.
And, of course, you also have no right to a camera, or telephone, or computer, or electricity, or running water and indoor plumbing. Or a car. Or plastics.
There are many stupid arguments in the gun control world, but that has always been one of the stupidest.
The 4th Amendment only applies to residences that were constructed opn or before 1791 /sarc
The Commerce Clause argument has a lot of baggage I doubt the Court will want to go through. We have Raich and Lopez to think about (they went different ways, but the Lopez court explained how to make the law constitutional, which has since been affirmed and Raich has the Scalia concurrence distinguishing it from Lopez). And it's the same votes on both sides so it's not like it'll likely get Justices who would be happier with that compromise argument.
If we are so worried about the rights of those convicted of domestic violence, then what does that say about the rights of those accused of horrific mass shootings?
Oh, wait.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/17-9572_k536.pdf