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California Restriction on Gun Ads That "Reasonably Appear[] to Be Attractive to Minors" Likely Unconstitutional
From Junior Sports Magazines, Inc. v. Bonta, decided today by Ninth Circuit Judge Kenneth Lee, joined by Judges Randy Smith and Lawrence VanDyke:
This case is not about whether children can buy firearms. (They cannot under California law.) Nor is this case about whether minors can legally use firearms. (California allows minors under adult supervision to possess and use firearms for hunting, target practice, and other activities.) And this case is not about whether California has tools to combat the scourge of youth gun violence. (It does.)
Rather, this case is about whether California can ban a truthful ad about firearms used legally by adults and minors—just because the ad "reasonably appears to be attractive to minors." So, for example, an ad showcasing a safer hunting rifle with less recoil for minors would likely be unlawful in California. Under our First Amendment jurisprudence, states can ban truthful and lawful advertising only if it "materially" and "directly" advances a substantial government interest and is no more extensive than necessary. California likely cannot meet this high bar.
While California has a substantial interest in reducing gun violence and unlawful use of firearms by minors, its law does not "directly" and "materially" further either goal. California cannot straitjacket the First Amendment by, on the one hand, allowing minors to possess and use firearms and then, on the other hand, banning truthful advertisements about that lawful use of firearms. There is no evidence in the record that a minor in California has ever unlawfully bought a gun, let alone because of an ad. Nor has the state produced any evidence that truthful ads about lawful uses of guns—like an ad about hunting rifles in Junior Sports Magazines' Junior Shooters—encourage illegal or violent gun use among minors. Simply put, California cannot lean on gossamers of speculation to weave an evidence-free narrative that its law curbing the First Amendment "significantly" decreases unlawful gun use among minors. The First Amendment demands more than good intentions and wishful thinking to warrant the government's muzzling of speech.
California's law is also more extensive than necessary, as it sweeps in truthful ads about lawful use of firearms for adults and minors alike. For instance, an advertisement directed at adults featuring a camouflage skin on a firearm might be illegal because minors may be attracted to it….
Judge VanDyke concurred, adding:
California wants to legislate views about firearms. The record for recently enacted California Assembly Bill 2751 (AB 2751) indicates a legislative concern that marketing firearms to minors would "seek[] to attract future legal gun owners," and that that's a negative thing. No doubt at least some of California's citizens share that view. They may dream that someday everyone will be repulsed by the thought of using a firearm for lawful purposes such as hunting and recreation. But just as surely some of California's citizens disagree with that view. Many hope their sons and daughters will learn to responsibly use firearms for lawful purposes. Firearms are controversial products, and don't cease to be so when used by minors. But as the majority opinion explains well, there are a variety of ways a minor can lawfully use firearms in California. And the State of California may not attempt to reduce the demand for lawful conduct by suppressing speech favoring that conduct while permitting speech in opposition. That is textbook viewpoint discrimination.
That is precisely what California did in Assembly Bill 2751. Under this law, those who want to discourage minors from lawfully using firearms (such as for hunting or shooting competitions) are free to communicate their messages. Certain speakers ("firearm industry members") who want to promote the sale of firearms to minors, however, are silenced. I agree with the majority opinion that, even assuming intermediate scrutiny applies, California's nascent speech code cannot withstand it. I write separately to emphasize that laws like AB 2751, which attempt to use the coercive power of the state to eliminate a viewpoint from public discourse, deserve strict scrutiny. Our circuit's precedent is ambiguous about whether viewpoint- discriminatory laws that regulate commercial speech are subject to strict scrutiny. In the appropriate case, we should make clear they are…
Anna M. Barvir (Michel & Associates PC) argued for plaintiffs; Chuck Michel (Michel & Associates) and Donald Kilmer also represent plaintiffs.
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Who are you people, and what have you done with the 9th Circuit?
The judges were two Trump appointees and one Bush appointee. That's what happened.
The "Think of the Children" doctrine is still good law in the 9th?
Apparently not.
So we can expect the full court to overturn this ruling?
The losers will try. Outcome not certain, since the First Amendment is involved, and many liberals support that.
Lujan’s New Mexico order is definitely Unconstitutionalg.
Is that a verb?
Whoops, fixed, thanks!
The Democrats put hard porn in elementary schools libraries, but they are against kids seeing a gun. Did I get that right?
No, but I suspect you knew that.
Another example of David Nieporent's wrong answer to a simple question.
That’s a slight exaggeration.
The laws against cigarette/vape advertising are also unconstitutional -- never stopped them before!
I remember when it was perfectly OK for Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble to hawk cigarettes.
We passed laws against selling tobacco products to minors because it is a lethal product. Even when they aren't minors anymore.
So what is different about this?
Orbital Mechanic: There are indeed laws against selling guns to minors, including in California. The question is whether the government can ban advertising guns, including to adult would-be gun purchasers (for instance, to parents who are looking to get a gun that their children can lawfully use under adult supervision), when the ad "reasonably appears to be attractive to minors."
I don't mean to be obtuse but I don't think you contradicted my point.
It is and has been illegal to sell tobacco and firearms to minors.
That is separate from whether minors can actually use tobacco or guns. Their parents can presumably provide and do. I learned to shoot as a minor and my instructors were police officers. Maybe this was negligent on my part but I sorta assumed they were following the law.
However at one point it was legal to market cigarettes to minors. Remember Joe Camel? At the time of his legal demise it turned how that he was the single most recognized cartoon character in media.
That is no longer legal.
I don't know what advertising gun companies have been doing that would be considered directing at minors but if they did have a "Joe Camel" analogue then my original point still stands. Why wouldn't the government be able to regulate that?
It think the bigger issue to consider is that I cannot imagine any advertising of guns that would not appeal to minors. 95% of boys and probably more than half the girls. Guns are fascinating and carry tremendous psychological appeal. So I don't see how you can ban "advertising that appeals at minors" without just banning all of it.
“Lethal Product” so are Tylenol (One bottle of Extra Strength Tylenol is enough, unless you've got a spare liver handy(, SSRI’s ("Black Box Warning" that they can increase Suicide risk, in peoples already at risk for Suicide), Knives (Ask Nicole Simpson, Ron Goldman), Forks, Automobiles (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile), Airplanes (9-11), Steak ("Cafe Coronary), …… and I’ve got a Veritable arsenal, and I’m still alive.
Frank
My favorite is water. I don’t mean drowning. I mean drinking too much water without balancing it out with electrolytes can be fatal. It’s rare, but it happens.
So what is different about this?
Well, for one thing, there is no constitutional right to smoke cigs. Compare Bigelow v. Virginia, 421 U.S. 809 (1975), with Posadas de Puerto Rico Associates v. Tourism Co. of Puerto Rico, 478 U.S. 328 (1986).
Nor any constitutional authority to regulate or ban them
State governments are governments of plenary power. They don't need any constitutional authority to regulate or ban cigs, provided there is no constitutional prohibition on such regulation or bans. The feds have the interstate commerce power, and if it's broad enough to permit the banning of heroin or the regulation of pseudoephidrine, then it's broad enough to permit the banning and regulation of tobacco. (I understand that, before Wickard v. Filburn, Congress's interstate commerce power was not so broadly construed--which is why we needed a constitutional amendment to enact Prohibition--but that ship sailed long ago.)
That federal Interstate Commerce power, if it is broad enough to support the NFA, etc, as well as the ATF to make and enforce regulations, is surely broad enough to regulate advertising there. And, indeed, there are federal regulations as to the advertising of firearms, so they haven’t left the field open to the states.
Vague vague vague vague vague vague vague.
Did I mention this law is vague?
So while I'm not sure about all of the 9th Circuit's reasoning, I agree with the result. I have almost 28 years experience as a lawyer and I don't know what "reasonably appear to be attractive to minors" means. I doubt any gun merchant does either.
So you think it's vague, do you?
Maybe on my deathbed, I will see a flash of light and say "so THAT'S what 'reasonably appear to be attractive to minors' means!".
But I doubt it. It's vague.
For best results, better steer clear of all gun ads.
Joe Camel will appear to you, toting fruit flavored handguns with autographed pictures of teen idols on them and promising you'll be super popular at school once you're locked and loaded.
The fact we can come up with a paradigm case we all agree on doesn't mean a standard isn't vague. It has to clearly delineate between the one thing and the other.
Joe Camel will explain it to you.
Vague laws are the trend this past couple decades. Easier to pass something that people can read their good intentions into rather than write the law you really intend to enforce. It's wrong when Florida does it and it's wrong here too.
The problem with vague laws is that they are hard to enforce because they often don’t put the public on notice as to what would violate the law, and that can violate Due Process.
Like to see Somin's take on 8k illegals landing on an island of 6k and if that qualifies as an invasion.
https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1702022174498849026
Last count was 6700 but still higher than the island's population. And a baby drowned. Obviously, that's Europe's fault for not chartering airplanes to bring everyone in from Africa.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2023-09-13/baby-drowns-during-migrant-rescue-operation-off-italys-lampedusa
Looks like a bunch of future STEM Engineers!!!
Keyhole solutions
So abortion was a constitutional right for 50 years. Didn't stop hayseed states from outlawing/restricting it for all those years in violation of the Supreme Court. I assume all the ignorami here approved of those moves all that time.
So now progressive states will outlaw guns in violation of the Supreme Court for the next fifty years. Anyone got a problem with that?
No, abortion was never a constitutional right, except according to the legal fiction we all adhere to, which holds that "the constitution" is equivalent to what the judges say about it. But the right to keep and bear arms, unlike abortion, is right there in the constitution, even if the judges try to pretend it isn't. If "progressive states" try to outlaw guns, they won't just be "in violation of the Supreme Court"; they'll be in violation of the actual words of the constitution.
Be consistent, Seamus. Either what the Supreme Court says is law or it is not.
The rights granted in Bruen were judge-found rights not explicitly enumerated in the constitution. By your logic they don't count
That's the one thing I like about being me...no one can challenge my logic
I'm perfectly consistent: I believe that what the *constitution* says is law. And the constitution says that there is a right to keep and bear arms, and it doesn't say anything of the sort regarding abortion. When the Supreme Court says there's a constitutional right to keep and bear arms and that there isn't a constitutional right to abortion, what that means is that they're capable of reading.
If guns were required to be in the shape of a penis, mass shootings would end immediately.
I thought they already were.
If truly lifelike no angry straight man would use them.
This is my rifle, this is my gun. No, this is my gun, this is my rifle. No... to hell with it, I'll shoot them both!