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The Fifth Circuit on the "Trump Train" / Biden-Harris Bus Lawsuit
The lawyer's true superpower is to turn every case into a case about procedure.
From yesterday's Fifth Circuit order in In re Mesaros, decided by Judges Edith Brown Clement, Kurt Engelhardt, and Andrew Oldham:
Respondents allege that on October 30, 2020, they were travelling through Texas in a Biden-Harris tour bus. According to respondents' complaint, Delores Park, Joeylynn Mesaros, and Robert Mesaros (collectively "petitioners") coordinated with others to form a "Trump Train" that surrounded the Biden-Harris bus, blocked its path, and forced it to slow down to 15-25 miles per hour. One participant in the "Train" (not a party to these mandamus proceedings) allegedly side-swiped another vehicle. On respondents' telling, the "Trump Train" caused "significant psychological harm" and resulted in the cancellation of the remaining Biden- Harris campaign events in Texas.
Respondents filed a complaint asserting the "Trump Train" amounted to an actionable conspiracy to thwart, by intimidation, their lawful support of the Biden-Harris campaign. For their cause of action, respondents relied on 42 U.S.C § 1985(3)'s Support-or-Advocacy Clause. Congress passed the Support-or-Advocacy Clause in the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871. It provides, in relevant part, that one "injured in his person or property" by "two or more persons conspir[ing] to prevent by force, intimidation, or threat, any citizen who is lawfully entitled to vote, from giving his support or advocacy in a legal manner, toward or in favor of the election of any lawfully qualified person as an elector for President or Vice President … may have an action for the recovery of damages occasioned by such injury or deprivation, against any one or more of the conspirators."
Petitioners moved to dismiss respondents' claim on the ground that the Support-or-Advocacy Clause only supplies a cause of action against conspiracies that involve state action or are motivated by racial animus, which respondents did not allege. The district court denied the motion ….
Generally speaking, such denials of motions to dismiss aren't immediately appealable—the defendants have to wait until a final judgment (for instance, after a trial, if the case goes that far), and then appeal if they have lost at that point. Nonetheless, there are exceptions to that principle:
Of relevance here, when a district court's order involves "a controlling question of law as to which there is substantial ground for difference of opinion," and "immediate appeal from the order may materially advance the ultimate termination of the litigation," the district court judge may certify it for interlocutory appeal. The court of appeals may then "permit an appeal to be taken from such order."
And the Fifth Circuit suggested that this standard for interlocutory appeal was satisfied:
The controlling question of law in this case is whether the Support-or-Advocacy Clause affords respondents a cause of action against petitioners. The Support-or-Advocacy Clause was originally enacted in Section 2 of the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871. As its name suggests, Congress passed the Klan Act to address the racially motivated "murders, whippings, and beatings committed by rogues in white sheets in the postbellum South." But the Support-or-Advocacy Clause differs from much Reconstruction legislation, and even other provisions of 42 U.S.C § 1985(3), in that its text says nothing about racial discrimination.
Respondents contend this omission was intentional. They say the Klan Act's provisions are divisible into those that protect federal interests and those that regulate interests traditionally subject only to state police power. Congress could regulate the latter category solely pursuant to the powers granted to it by the Reconstruction Amendments. So it restricted some provisions of the Klan Act to racially motivated conspiracies, and possibly to conspiracies involving state action or, alternatively, private conspiracies so "massive and effective" as to "supplant[]" the authorities and "thus satisf[y] the state action requirement.["] But Congress was not so limited in protecting federal interests outside of the Reconstruction Amendments. According to respondents, Congress enacted the Support-or-Advocacy Clause pursuant to Article I's Elections Clause, thus sweeping more broadly than its Reconstruction-Amendments powers and protecting the federal interest in the purity of federal elections.
At least at a 60,000-foot level of generality, respondents have some support for their theory. In The Ku Klux Cases (1884), the Supreme Court affirmed the constitutionality of the since-repealed criminal companion to the Support-or-Advocacy Clause. It did so by pointing to Congress's power to promote "the free, the pure, and the safe exercise of this right of voting." And the Court reasoned this power comes not from the Reconstruction Amendments but rather from Article I's Elections Clause, and the Necessary and Proper Clause. Thus, respondents might be right that racial animus is not a prerequisite to recovery under the Support-or-Advocacy Clause because racial animus is not required by Article I's Elections Clause….
Still, there is unquestionably a "substantial ground for difference of opinion" that necessitates certification of a "controlling question of law" under 28 U.S.C. § 1292(b). Respondents' invocation of the Support-or-Advocacy Clause is unprecedented in the statute's 152-year history. And what little precedent exists cuts squarely against respondents. Without the Support-or-Advocacy Clause, respondents' only federal claim (and hence their only basis for litigating in federal court) fails. By our count, petitioners have at least four grounds for substantial difference of opinion, any one of which necessitates certification under § 1292(b).
First, it is unclear whether the Support-or-Advocacy Clause creates new substantive rights or merely supplies a remedy for violations of rights found elsewhere. Respondents have a law review article co-written by one of their lawyers before he filed this suit. On the other hand, petitioners have a published Eighth Circuit case that says the opposite … (holding the Support-or-Advocacy Clause merely provides a remedy for rights found elsewhere). Petitioners also have Supreme Court cases interpreting the clause immediately preceding the Support-or-Advocacy Clause to supply only a remedy and not to create new substantive rights. See, e.g., Bray v. Alexandria Women's Health Clinic (1993) (interpreting § 1985(3)'s first clause); United Bhd. of Carpenters & Joiners of Am., Loc. 610, AFL-CIO v. Scott (1983) (same); see also Graham v. Connor (1989) (reaching the same conclusion regarding another provision of the 1871 Klan Act: "As we have said many times, § 1983 is not itself a source of substantive rights, but merely provides a method for vindicating federal rights elsewhere conferred."). If the Support-or-Advocacy Clause merely provides a remedy for rights found elsewhere, then respondents appear to recognize they lose. Perhaps the district court had good reasons for picking respondents' novel theory and law review article—co-written by an attorney in this case—over petitioners' authorities. Regardless, petitioners' judicial authorities constitute an obviously "substantial ground for difference of opinion."
Second, it is unclear how respondents' theory comports with the text of the Support-or-Advocacy Clause. The Clause applies to conspiracies:
to prevent by force, intimidation, or threat, any citizen who is lawfully entitled to vote, from giving his support or advocacy in a legal manner, toward or in favor of the election of any lawfully qualified person as an elector for President or Vice President … the party so injured or deprived may have an action for the recovery of damages occasioned by such injury or deprivation, against any one or more of the conspirators.
Is the formation of a "Trump Train" a conspiracy to exercise "force, intimidation, or threat"? {As noted above, respondents also point to one defendant who allegedly side- swiped the vehicle of a campaign staffer. But respondents offer no allegation that petitioners conspired to side-swipe anyone. And § 1985(3) reaches only conspiracies.} Or, as the Eighth Circuit held, does § 1985(3) require something more closely related to the postbellum violence that necessitated the statute's enactment? See Gill (holding the phrase "force, intimidation, or threat" means "something much more serious and terrifying than a written notice of cancellation of a contract designating Gill as an agent to sell Farm Bureau insurance"). Does it matter that no one on the Biden-Harris bus was going to vote? Or is the text better read to "provide[] a cause of action when a defendant prevents a plaintiff from exercising his/her voting rights, but not for broad-spectrum claims pertaining to generalized election advocacy"? There are myriad reasons for preferring petitioners' reading of statutory text—not the least of which is that it comports with judicial authorities like Bray and Carpenters, which interpret the clause immediately preceding the Support-or-Advocacy Clause in § 1985(3). Again, that is far more than necessary to create a "substantial ground for difference of opinion." 28 U.S.C. § 1292(b).
Third, it is unclear how respondents' reading of the Support-or-Advocacy Clause comports with Article I of the Constitution. Recall that respondents' theory requires that we hold the Support-or-Advocacy Clause is "valid under Congress's Article I powers." But Congress has no freestanding Article I power to regulate election-related activity. Congress only has power to regulate "The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections …." And while the Supreme Court has said Congress may promote the "purity" of federal elections, it has only affirmed applications of laws intimately related to ballot-casting. Respondents cite no case that embraces the breathtakingly broad counter-interpretation of Congress's Article I powers. Again, that is far more than necessary to create a "substantial ground for difference of opinion."
Fourth, it is unclear how respondents' reading of the Support-or-Advocacy Clause comports with the First Amendment. There is no doubt that the First Amendment protects speech any reasonable person would find intimidating. See, e.g., Snyder v. Phelps (2011). And even otherwise constitutional applications of statutes that burden a substantial amount of protected speech might violate the First Amendment. These principles at least cut against respondents' theory that they can sue private individuals for the intimidation they associated with the "Trump Train." At the very least, there are serious questions that far exceed the standard for interlocutory certification under § 1292(b).
But wait, you might say: Isn't it up to the district court to decide, in the first instance, whether to certify its order as interlocutorily appealable, on the grounds that it involves "a controlling question of law as to which there is substantial ground for difference of opinion"? It is indeed, and if the district court says no, then that decision is itself not directly appealable. Instead, someone seeking certification would then have to petition the Fifth Circuit for a writ of mandamus, which the defendants here did. And
[A] writ of mandamus … "is an extraordinary remedy for extraordinary causes." We may grant a writ "only if (1) the petitioner has 'no other adequate means' to attain the desired relief; (2) the petitioner has demonstrated a right to the issuance of a writ that is 'clear and indisputable;' and (3) [we], in the exercise of [our] discretion, [are] satisfied that the writ is 'appropriate under the circumstances.'"
On this point, the defendants' appeal foundered, at least temporarily:
It is unclear that this is an extraordinary case. That is for two reasons. First, § 1292(b) creates a substantial role for district courts in the certification of interlocutory appeals. Appellate courts have accordingly been reluctant to compel § 1292(b) certification through writs of mandamus. Our court similarly has said it will compel certification in "very rare" circumstances.
Second, petitioners' § 1292(b) motion raised only questions about whether the Support-or-Advocacy Clause requires allegations of racial animus or the presence of state action. Petitioners are correct that the district court should have granted the § 1292(b) motion on that basis. But that is only one of the four quite obvious bases for certifying the viability of respondents' Support-or-Advocacy claim under § 1292(b). [See above.] We are confident that the district court will reach the correct certification decision if given another opportunity, which suggests petitioners have another adequate means to secure their requested relief. And if petitioners renew their § 1292(b) motion and again lose in the district court, they are free to renew their request for mandamus relief.
So no appeal for the defendants just yet; but the writing seems to be on the wall, and we should expect the case to be back at the Fifth Circuit on the merits.
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Prof. Volokh finally found a Trump-related story he is willing and/or permitted to talk about!
I can't believe that he and Conspirator Cassell let Jesse Waters beat them to this one.
“form a “Trump Train” that surrounded the Biden-Harris bus, blocked its path, and forced it to slow down to 15-25 miles per hour.”
Assuming that this was on an interstate highway posted at 65 MPH, I have to ask why they didn’t *immediately* call the police? There are laws against doing this sort of thing, including “operating to endanger” and I can’t see the police being happy about it.
All you need is Ditzy Debbie coming up over the hill at 80 and running into this mess, and that would be literally as by the time she realized *how* much slower they were going, she wouldn’t have time to slow down. (That’s why slow moving vehicles have triangles.)
That said, how is this really different from pedestrians blocking highways???
I also have to ask if they (a) actually did it and if so (b) for how long because they'd be blocking 3 lanes of the highway and unless Texas has 12-lane interstates, they'd quickly cause a major traffic jam which the authorities would either notice and/or hear about. (They have cameras, speed detectors and increasingly pavement temperature monitors up here in snow country.)
Good news for your JAQing off, it's on video.
The lawsuit alleges that police refused to help and even mocked the people on the campaign bus. Your side and your kind of people, Dr. Ed 2!
https://defendernetwork.com/news/local-state/texas-police-refused-to-help-biden-campaign/
This is how police should respond to people blocking traffic for political causes:
https://twitter.com/ClimateDefiance/status/1696026703041315230?s=20
Republicans want to outsource that to private citizens with "hit and kill" bills.
https://newrepublic.com/article/162163/republicans-anti-riot-laws-cars
I hope the bill comes with collision damage reimbursement.
Lets face it ever since Reginald Denny (truck driver, not the actor), stopping for potentially violent protesters is enough for a reasonable man to have justification to use deadly force.
There's a difference between a riot and a protest (and an insurrection is another thing too); violence at protests, riots and insurrections should all be prosecuted. Lots of people get attacked and even killed, including race-based hate crimes like that one, in a variety of situations. But it doesn't justify deadly force against all vaguely similar people; otherwise every Maga-mite near a synagogue or black church should be met with deadly force, based on a few cases that I probably don't need to name for you.
A reasonable fear of serious bodily harm is justification of deadly force.
A mob stopping my car may not quite be enough. But the first steps to damage my car, open my door etc is plenty enough to justify deadly force. Anyone would be in reasonable fear for their lives under this circumstances, with no obligation to wait to see how bad things would get.
Wander around in your imagination all you want, but the rest of us don't live in Kazinskistan where the law is whatever crosses your mind. This is a pretty well-litigated scenario that varies by state and facts.
Or, DC....
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/teen-sentenced-to-juvenile-detention-for-dc-carjacking-that-killed-uber-eats-driver/2721236/
Yes, you are right.
Like say Nevada which is typical:
"Killing someone in Nevada is justifiable only if it is reasonably necessary to repel an imminent threat of death or substantial bodily harm."
If a mob stops my car and starts.making aggressive moves to "damage my car, open my door" then that is a imminent threat of "substantial bodily harm."
The freedom of speech people would like to kill you if you do a protest.
The anti-state small-government individual-liberty people applaud police violently breaking up peaceful protests.
In this context, the Biden-bus counts as a protest and the Trump-train patriotic vigilante self-defense.
Jan 6th more characteristic of the modern right than they like to pretend.
And shooting the GOP softball team characteristic of the left?
More or less characteristic than shooting Gaby Giffords in the head is of the right? Gun violence is characteristic of something, certainly, but shooting politicians of either stripe seems relatively rare, thank goodness.
What people fail to understand about Reginald Denny is that truck air brakes aren't like the hydraulic brakes on your car where you push (with a vacuum assist) fluid through a line which then pushes brake pads against rotors to cause friction and stop your wheels from turning.
The service air brake on a tractor-trailer work pretty much the same way, but the emergency brakes are something entirely different. Each 2-tire wheel assembly on the trailer has a massive spring that itself applies the brakes and air pressure is necessary to *release* the brakes. Pressures vary but if the air pressure to these "spring brakes" drops below 45-55 psi, they will engage and lock up all 8-10-12 tires on the trailer.
Trailers are interchangeable and in addition to the pin attaching the trailer to the tractor, there are three connections -- one electrical for lights, one air hose for the service brakes, and a third air hose for the emergency brakes. If that third hose comes detached, the truck STOPS and doesn't move.
Sometimes you'll see a pattern of dual tire skid marks that pull to the side of the road --- that was a truck whose emergency hose fell off and the vehicle still had enough momentum to pull to the side of the road, but if you're only going 10-15 mph, it will stop you IMMEDIATELY and there is nothing you can do about it.
The rationale for this is to prevent what happened at DC Union Station in 1953 -- https://dcist.com/gallery/post-55/ -- if the air pressure to the trailer(s) is lost, the trailer(s) stop. And that includes if it is disconnected.
Reginald Denny didn't have a chance...
The tripe article you link to talks at length about the James Fields attack on Charlottesville marches without giving us any plausible reason to think that drivers will be empowered by the new law to do anything similar. It discredits itself, and you discredit yourself by linking to it.
You are an authority on discrediting yourself, through long practice.
Assuming Wendy Davis' allegations are true, I'm not impressed.
Stunts like this get people killed.
Former Pres. Trump cited the Scottsboro Boys case in seeking to start a trial six years after the underlying events; the judge responded by describing him as the repulsive asshole he is.
But Prof. Volokh thinks this story from the Fifth Circuit (three-clinger panel) is more important, because . . . well, we all know.
Carry on . . .
#Cowards
#PartisanHacks
US District Judge Tanya Chutkan: “This timeline does not move the case forward with the haste of the mob. The trial will start three years, one month, and 27 days after the events of January 6, 2021.”
Which of course demonstrates that Chutkan is a biased hack, as the time which the 19 defendants have had to prepare for trial began not on January 6, 2021 but when the indictments were issued against them two and a half years later.
Is Chutkan presiding over the trial of 19 defendants? Six months seems like a lot of time to prepare a defense, and it's not like this was a bolt out of the blue anyway, given the appointment of the special counsel and the amount of time that Donald Trump has been fundraising off this investigation. The haste of the mob would certainly be measured from the time since the crime charged took place.
"I can't be tried on any of the 91 charges against me because I've done so much other crime that I won't have time to prepare a defense against any one of them" does not seem like a strong argument.
"On respondents' telling, the "Trump Train" caused "significant psychological harm"
lol, lmao
On the one hand everything is 'mental health' from school shooters to trans people. On the other, an utter contempt for mental health. Just in case anyone was thinking the right were actually interested in addressing mental health in any way, ever, other than using it to lock people up.
"other than using it to lock people up."
But only if they're paying police- and prison-union employees to lock them up. The GOP cut federal funding for inpatient care and has managed to block it ever since. They've cut it at the state level in a lot of places, too, and spent millions on a national campaign to oppose local mental health response initiatives (claiming they're "anti-cop" because they would divert funding from police).
Facilities run by private contractors, no doubt.
Interesting....
So, we have a number of actions occurring here. Drivers driving slowly on the highway (which...technically isn't necessarily illegal. And if it is, it's an offense for the police to file charges against, not a private civilians, no matter how much we might want to).
On the other hand, you're talking about a "conspiracy" to "intimidate" someone to vote or support (or not support) a certain way.
Let's say, there was a certain department at a university, and the professors got together and decided to tell someone their political views were "unacceptable" and that there may be consequences if they didn't quiet them.
Would that be punishable under the above statue? What if it was just implied, not directly stated?
'and the professors got together and decided to tell someone their political views were “unacceptable” and that there may be consequences if they didn’t quiet them.'
Isn't that what the right is basically doing to universities?
Minimizing and deflecting via some random hypo about torts. One might even suspect you rather support this behavior.
The lawsuit seems like a long shot to me, but I'm more concerned with how many on here are into defending trying to run your political opposition off the road.
It IS illegal -- here is what Texas law says:
https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._transp._code_section_545.051
Texas Transp. Code Section 545.051
b) An operator of a vehicle on a roadway moving more slowly than the normal speed of other vehicles at the time and place under the existing conditions shall drive in the right-hand lane available for vehicles, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, unless the operator is:
(1) passing another vehicle; or
(2) preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
While it is more often probable cause to check for OUI (and often is), this is a citable offense.
Woah.
So here's the thing. And why this seems to be yet another "5th Circuit Special."
It was a writ of mandamus. Having dealt with this in the past, the typical action by the appellate court is to deal with ... the writ of mandamus. This is not a "super power" of lawyers; this is standard practice.
What is weird is that the 5th Circuit, despite knowing that this was procedurally improper, chose to go through the full analysis.
Basically, we have the 5th Circuit, once again, putting its thumb on the scale for litigants. "Look, we know that this is completely procedurally improper, so what we're going to do is we're going to give you a merits decision with full analysis, and then we are going to tack on additional information about how you really should try and get it back to us."
Judges should not be advocates.
The trial court docket, including the plaintiffs' allegations, is at https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60010299/cervini-v-cisneros/
The complaint includes a count for the state law tort of assault, and in my opinion adequately alleges assault. Assault and property damage alone would make for a boring state court case. The plaintiffs want to make a media spectacle in federal court.
To be honest, I have a great deal of difficulty buying the plaintiff's argument under federal law. It is certainly a novel approach.
That said, I don't know that I would say that filing in federal court is to create a spectacle; there are obvious litigation reasons to want to file under sec. 1983 as opposed to just state court counts under tort.