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Public School May Hang "Black Lives Matter" Posters Without Displaying Other Viewpoints
The government gets to pick and choose which speech it displays on its property, and doesn't have to give others a right to reply (except in public fora, which don't include school walls).
From yesterday's decision in Cajune v. Indep. School Dist. 194, by Judge Jerry Blackwell (D. Minn.):
Following George Floyd's murder in May 2020, school administrators, staff, and teachers joined much of the country in finding ways to support their students, including Black students. For its part in those efforts, in April 2021, the school board for the Lakeville, Minnesota public school district vetted and authorized a multicultural poster series that included two posters with the phrase "Black Lives Matter."
Not everyone supported the decision. Believing the posters carried political messages, some parents and students objected to hanging "Black Lives Matter" posters without also displaying posters offering various other viewpoints. After the school board denied those requests, the objectors challenged the school board's action by filing this lawsuit, claiming First Amendment violations…. Because display of the posters constitutes government speech not subject to First Amendment challenge, the school board's motion is granted, and Plaintiffs' lawsuit is dismissed with prejudice.
I think that's correct: A school is entitled to decide what messages it wants to spread—whether about science, history, morality, or anything else—without having to spread contrary messages. (There's a narrow exception as to religious messages by a public school, because of the Establishment Clause, and some opinions have suggested that there might be an exception as to outright partisan election-related speech, e.g., "Vote Democrat," but these are indeed narrow exceptions to the general rule.)
The government generally can't discriminate based on viewpoint when it comes to nongovernmental speech on its property; see, for instance, the D.C. Circuit's recent Frederick Douglass Foundation v. D.C. opinion. But the government's own speech inevitably requires choosing which viewpoints to convey. And there's no First Amendment right of reply to government speech on the walls of a public school, or in other places that aren't public fora.
Here's how the court dealt with the plaintiffs' countarguments:
Plaintiffs contend that the specific history of the Inclusive Poster Series shows that the District "laundered the Black Lives Matter activists' personal political expression under the guise of so-called 'government speech.'" However, District school board meeting recordings—which are directly referenced, quoted, and embraced by the Amended Complaint—belie Plaintiffs' suspicions. The recordings show that the District reviewed, authorized, and provided the posters "to support staff in creating school communities where students are respected, valued, and welcome" and "to help our BIPOC students feel welcome in our classrooms." The specific history of the Inclusive Poster Series shows it was developed as a method for the District to communicate with its students….
Plaintiffs argue that the phrase "Black Lives Matter" is so intertwined with private political speech that it cannot be government speech.
Plaintiffs acknowledge that the two "Black Lives Matter" posters include the following statement: "At Lakeville Area Schools we believe Black Lives Matter and stand with the social justice movement the statement represents. This poster is aligned to School Board policy and an unwavering commitment to our Black students, staff[,] and community members." At oral argument, Plaintiffs' counsel also acknowledged that the school board chair made the following statement at the April 27, 2021 school board meeting: "Black Lives Matter on a couple of these posters affirms and acknowledges black students and black families in our communities…. We are addressing the need to improve our students' academic achievements."
Despite Plaintiffs' awareness of the District's stated intent to communicate support to its students through the posters, Plaintiffs nonetheless allege that hanging the posters was private political speech because "[t]o a reasonable member of the public, this means that [the District] supports the viewpoint that Black Lives Matter and its Marxist and Black separatist, supremacist, and racist ideology that is hostile to White people as well as demeaning to Black people."
Even assuming the posters are political, Plaintiffs offer no authority supporting a "political speech" exception to the government speech doctrine. Such an exception would be absurd because it would discourage elected officials and government figures from taking positions on political issues—which is the very reason for their election and appointment…. "When government speaks, it is not barred by the Free Speech Clause from determining the content of what it says…. Were the Free Speech Clause interpreted otherwise, government would not work." … "If every citizen were to have a right to insist that no one paid by public funds express a view with which he disagreed, debate over issues of great concern to the public would be limited to those in the private sector, and the process of government as we know it radically transformed." …
The contested "Black Lives Matter" posters bear the District logo, slogan, website link, and an explicit statement that the District stands by the message. When displayed in District schools' hallways and classrooms, the public would likely and reasonably perceive the posters to be a message from the District to its students, and not a message from unidentified political actors.
Plaintiffs' conclusory allegations that the District did not create the posters are of little consequence. Just as the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles did not design the applied—for specialty license plates in Walker, and Pleasant Grove City did not create the donated monuments in Summum, the District could have simply adopted the posters without alteration, and still the posters would be considered the District's speech.
The Court is also not persuaded by Plaintiffs' argument that the District ceded control over the posters by allowing teachers to choose which posters, if any, to hang in their classrooms. Offering teachers their choice of which posters to display (or not display) does not change the fact that the District first shaped the posters' design, content, and message, and exercised final approval authority….
The court also responded to some of plaintiffs' arguments by concluding,
It is neither reasonable nor likely that the public would perceive the posters to be a reference to what Plaintiffs call a "neo-Marxist," "Black separatist, supremacist, and racist ideology" that "identifies Black Americans as part of the global Black family and seeks to disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure," especially when Plaintiffs' own attorney could not explain at oral argument what those phrases mean.
But that wouldn't matter from a First Amendment perspective, it seems to me, since the government is free to express that ideology as it is to express other contested ideologies.
Trevor S. Helmers & Zachary J. Cronen (Rupp, Anderson, Squires & Waldspurger) represent defendants. Thanks to Cory D. Olson for the pointer.
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Black Lives matter? not the aborted ones apparently.
When you put it that way, maybe it isn't so bad?
C'mon (Man!) I'll take any random minute from the Late Great Richard Pryor's "Bicentennial N-word" (Kinder/Gentler Frank won't use the real title) over the entire collected works of Jerry Seinfeld, Jerry Clower, and Jerry Lewis (never found him funny)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeQPI8jrBQs
Frank
I think the opinion is saying that IF they put a poster next to the "Black Lives Matter" one from a Crisis Pregnancy Center that this would be legal
But the government is supposed to serve all the citizens, not pick and choose winners and losers in an ideological contest. There is a great chasm between government support of non-ideological choices it wants to make and support for partisan or ideological agendas. Under this theory, the government can be partisan and can favor one race over others. That can’t be right, can it?
The government can be partisan. Per the 14th Amendment it can't favor one race over another.
This pretty much explains most of it. If you don't like the speech by officials, elect other ones.
The message "Black Lives Matter" is INHERENTLY favoring one race over another.
Only if you hallucinate an only into that phrase.
In that case you would have no problem with a school that displayed "white pride" or "white lives matter" banners?
This is cringe-worthy.
If, at this point, anyone was thinking of explaining what BLM actually is to you, they've wisely opted out.
Translation: I got nuthin'
Ghost of Patrick Henry: Can the government promote patriotism but not opposition to patriotism? Can the government urge that people buy war bonds but not that they stop buying war bonds? Can it urge people to be racially and religiously tolerant but not racially and religiously hostile to each other? Can it urge people to follow the law and not to violate the law? Can the government promote the message "Give me liberty or give me death" but not "Better red than dead"? All of these are ideological choices.
Can the government favor one race over another even if it's by omission? Obviously the statement Black Lives Matter is true but standing alone it seems to exclude other races.
No it doesn't.
Yes it does, Yes it does INFINITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and you can't double stamp a triple stamp!
Can it promote racism, sexism and hatred of the country? That is what you're really standing behind.
Clearly, taxpayers who do not support the programs on offer at tax-supported schools are entitled to withhold payment of taxes to support these schools. That's equity, comrade.
So put up all the BLM posters you want, and find another sucker to pay your bills.
Yes, please try that and let us know how it works out.
Yogis_dad: What's your view of the argument that, "Clearly, taxpayers who do not support the war are entitled to withhold payment of taxes to support the war"? Or "Clearly, taxpayers who do not support the police are entitled to withhold payment of taxes to support the police"?
I have long supported the notion that taxpayers should have the option to deduct from their federal tax bill the share of that bill represented by the Cabinet department to which they object most.
I further support the notion that taxation to pay for education is theft. American schools were founded on voluntary contributions, and government monopoly schools are anathema.
Similarly, the Lord only asks 10 per cent of your increase. Government could live below that level if it comported with the language of the US Constitution as written.
No need you may have creates a right for you to take what I earn. It is my obligation to share freely - not under compulsion - to help my fellow man. Only those who reject the inherent rights of individuals suspend their understanding of creation to endorse compulsory government confiscation.
Next the students will have to march in parades, pledge allegience to it and confess their White sins while kneeling towards the flag.
Forcing students to endorse the government's viewpoint isn't government speech.
Do you think Democrat civil servants forcing children to endorse Democrat State ideology and value systems violates any parental rights?
Examples?
“Black History Month” activities for one When is “White History Month”? “Hispanic/Latinx History Month”? “Asian History Month”??
Frank “We’d have figured out Peanut Butter sooner or later”
None of those are children forced to endorse.
"Forcing students to endorse the government’s viewpoint isn’t government speech."
Actually, it is, and it violates the First Amendment. West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943).
Huh? The pledge requirement was unconstitutional because it wasn't government speech. It infringed on the student's speech rights.
BravoCharlieDelta: Funny you should mention the Pledge of Allegiance. Students are entitled to opt out, but parents aren't entitled to sue to block it, right? Or to require that the school set up Pledges of Allegiance to the U.N. flag or to the Chinese flag, right? Or even that the school fly other countries' flags in addition to our own, right?
Likewise, just as a school may choose to display the American flag but not another flag, it may choose to display Black Lives Matter posters and not other posters.
That took place in Houston public schools in 1966.
confess their White sins while kneeling towards the flag?
....this should be a productive thread. HA HA! No.
Anyway, as a matter of law, the analysis seems correct. If license plates are government speech, Walker Texas Ranger ... um ... Walker v. Texas Div., Sons of Confederate Veterans, then this certainly is.
So not tremendously interesting as a matter of law. Just going to see how many people will pipe into say, "But BLM! I need to air my ritual grievances!"
Ooh!!! I do!!! I do!!!
Is this an example of that systemic racism I keep hearing about?
Nope. I know you're trying to be funny, but systemic racism is just that- systemic. It's what pervades, for example, the criminal justice system. It's the type of racism that we see when it comes to applicants for jobs. It's the longstanding (and still existing) difference between sentencing for crack and powder cocaine. It's the residual effects that we can still see from redlined neighborhoods.
If you are truly curious, you can actually do some of your own research on this- it's all out there. People who note that there is systemic racism aren't saying that there must be equality of outcome; only that if we really want to move to a society where people are judged by the content of their character, and not the color of their skin, we still have work to do.
Or, you know, treat it all as a big joke. I'm not the boss of you! 🙂
“Trying” to be funny? C’mon. It was slightly better political sarcasm than you’re recognizing.
No I don’t want to discuss this case at all. I’ve already given my personal opinion on here as to BLM and that’s an experience I do not want to repeat.
Although I’d love for the problem to be fixed, I’ve given up on it happening. Nobody on any side of it that has a platform to speak from seems to really care about a solution.
And you’ll never be completely rid of racism. Like crime and other bad human behaviors there’s always gonna be assholes doing asshole stuff. And we’ve reached a point where the people who are nominally against racism are just as racist as the racists themselves.
The lokis of the world still think this is Selma or Birmingham in 1950. No progress, racism everywhere.
I bet you that Loki doesn’t believe that, but he’s capable of speaking for himself
He apparently blocks me so I doubt he'll speak.
He believes "systemic racism" is still a problem so you are wrong.
Unsurprisingly, I don't respond to individuals that I have muted.
Some cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go. Given the number of people here that fall into the second category, I find that my happiness is that much greater by their absence. 😉
So adult to place fingers in your ears and yell lalalala.
1. People have a right to speak. Doesn't mean I have an obligation to listen to them.
2. If people continually show me that they don't have something worth contributing on a legal blog, either because they continually use slurs or just engage in non-substantive nonsense without any other redeeming qualities, then ... well, fool me once, etc.
So ... how are those substantive comments going?
Isn't that how prejudice works?
Prejudice is pre-judging someone. Loki is just judging them. Based on actual behavior, not mere status.
The assertion was that you think that things today are like they were in Selma or Birmingham in 1950. There are folks on this board that seem to think that but that hasn’t been my observation related to you.
I’ve muted a lot. If someone says something overtly racist, it’s automatic. Otherwise just people that are so horribly one sided that their opinion doesn’t add anything and those that just seem to argue for the sake of the argument.
Particular subjects - like Trump and race and January 6 leave my screen substantially gray. Those subjects really bring out the extremes. L
Yeah, comments like the one you made are likely the reason I put the person on ignore. Obviously, I don't think things are like they were in 1950.
Thing is, a lot of issues actually require nuance and are complicated. Things aren't easily reduced to a caricature, or amenable to discussion in a short internet comment. For example, I think that the existence of systemic racism should be inarguable. But that doesn't mean that I go around wearing a "privilege" hairshirt, or that I think that all problems can, or should, be "solved" (and even when I do think that problems can be solved, it doesn't follow that I think government should solve them).
Too many people immediately fall into arguing what their "side" should believe as if they are rooting for a football team, instead of thinking for themselves.
How long ago did America rid itself of racism (brutal, murderous, disgusting, in-the-open racism)?
Just moments before Australia did.
Well, Al Sharpton is still above ground and breathing so I guess it hasn't.
Selma and Birmingham were safer in 1950 than they are now.
But they're still safer than Chicago, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington DC and on and on and on.
Systemic racism isn't private--it isn't between two people. You're always going to find racists in the world but let's not conflate individuals to entire systems. Individual assholes will always exist. But those individuals, when enough of them vote, can create government and private systems designed to harm their fellow citizens and those systems tend to outlast the assholes that created them. We're watching more of that happening in Florida and Oklahoma and other Red states right now.
License plates aren't the same thing, because individual people choose those and pay for them. But some people have to send their kids to a public school that says "black lives matter" even if they disagree with it.
Some people have to send their kids to a public school that teaches about the Nazi Holocaust, even if they disagree with it. But if they disagree with teaching about desegregation, they can at least move to Florida where history has been bleached white once again.
If the Nazi Holocaust was a current political event, I don't think it would be appropriate for an elementary school to get involved with that either. Maybe you have forgotten that in the 1930s, German schools DID promote Hitler's racial theories. And that's the problem here - those that support "black lives matter" would have a heart attack when schools start promoting right wing ideas instead.
The government should have no business promoting any particular ideology or any particular morality with the possible exception of maybe very basic ethics which do not including sloganeering and ideology made up in the 2020s or the past few decades. Its just religious/cult indoctrination by another name.
That possible exception opens up a gigantic hole (go ahead and promote the ideologies I like) in your argument. That being said, the court got it right when it noted a policy of not promoting any ideology […]
I'm talking about stuff like 'don't kill humans unnecessarily' 'don't cheat' which I'm sure most reasonable people would regard as a little more generic and universal than BLM and all the baggage it entails. Especially in a place with impressionable young children.
Also if governments should be given free reign to implement ideology 'because thats the point of elections' anywhere in anyway theres no point in random exceptions like 'religion' or 'outright' politics. Why is Catholicism disadvantaged over BLM just because it has an arbitrary label of religion? If the right regime gets we should be back to hanging crucifixes and Trump posters right next to the BLM ones.
Why not Catholicism? The Establishment Clause. A school is free to hang posters of Trump.
That's free "rein," not "reign."
AmosArch: So I take it you think schools have no business having a Pledge of Allegiance (even an optional one)? Or playing the National Anthem at public school games?
Generic patriotic inculcation by society is as old as society. But the more recent and specific you get on tenets and slogans the more problematic it is particular for schools. Compare 'America rules' and 'America Rules and unborn lives matter'. I wonder how well promoters of BLM would take this? I am also not entirely comfortable with forced patriotism and even in the case of generic patriotism I believe there should be exemptions...at least
Even if you argue that specific events deserve to be graduated into the 'pantheon of history' eventually as part of our collective celebration. Taxpayer funded schools should not be jumping on every Twitter driven SJW fad and virtue signaling fetish fresh out of the womb. Especially for a movement as controversial, inherently divisionary, and baggage laden as BLM.
Nothing you are saying has anything to do with the constitutional questions regarding government speech.
I think this is wrong on two points. First, I am unconvinced that the government in aggregate has the right to use our taxes to influence the political process – and that’s what putting up explicitly political posters in a school is.
Second and more importantly, the government’s right to control its own speech is premised on the assumption that I am no more compelled to listen to that government speech than I am to listen to any merchant or stranger on a soap box in the village square. That assumption is violated in locations were attendance is compulsory (such as a school in a jurisdiction with truancy laws). For an analogy, consider the 10 Commandments poster on the courtroom wall.
The 10 Commandments is an Establishment Clause issue. That being said, it appears you oppose putting up a picture that celebrates Lincoln in public schools.
Lincoln is not a very recent slogan primarily associated to a political group which tries to get random innocent people on FB killed than even when fully aware of their mistake only apologizes when forced to by authorities. Then repudiates that apology immediately afterward.
Putting it another way, you oppose government posting signs on things you disagree with, but are OK with things you agree with. Shocking.
If it was up to me we wouldn't worship any human. I'm more like those old school romans and Americans that refused to put emperors or presidents on their money.
Also you just pointed out a big relevant difference while trying to simultaneously claim there is none. Taxpayer funded schools are no place to pick winners in contemporary catfights.
That celebrates Lincoln? Yes, I would oppose that. A picture that educates about him as a historical figure, though? As part of an education on both the good and bad things he did? Delivered in an age-appropriate way? That's a different picture.
An unadorned picture of Lincoln seems more celebratory than educational.
How so?
Really? When you see a picture of someone on display, you think it's there to educate you on the person's appearance?
Basically what Randal said. An unadorned picture doesn't convey history, it just says 'this is a man.'
It does however, indicate that the man is somehow worthy of putting up as a picture. You won't find unadorned pictures of Hitler hanging in a school anytime soon, even if he was historically important.
BLM is very much a political movement. A public school should not be putting up BLM, or any other political posters.
Before the (disingenuous? moronic?) leftists come out of the woodwork, telling me to read the post — “See, Prof. Volokh says the judge is right!” — I am not making a legal point, I am saying that the school was wrong to do this (even if they had the legal right to do it).
I am saying that the school was wrong to do this (even if they had the legal right to do it)
Yes, completely. School Board elections matter. Elections have consequences.
I don't buy it that "BLM is a political movement" in the same way that Christian Nationalism is a political movement. I've seen too many people claim a rainbow flag is "political." I think the word "political" is being stretched far too thin in this context. BLM isn't a political party; it's not even a single organization with defined membership.
From my perspective, Pride and BLM are often called "political" in order to censor their message and prevent governments and private companies from aligning with anti-bigotry values.
Correct decision but it would be highly questionable if the Petitioners requested a poster to be hung that was similar in message (Support the Police!) and was then denied.
On the law, no it wouldn't be questionable at all. If it was a limited-purpose public forum, then you're right, the government can't pick and choose between speech.
But since this is the government's speech, the government certainly can choose which speech to adopt, or not.
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Same question: What is the opposing viewpoint to BLM? It is ok to murder black people? White lives are more important then black lives? Not every issue has two reasonable sides.
There are reasonable counter opinions but there is no point in listing them for you because you’re so convinced in the absolute righteousness of your position that you posit the opinions of made up opponents in the most extreme terms you can think of.
None of those reasonable counter positions involve cops being able to do anything they want to blacks or white lives being more important. You can be opposed to BLM as an organization and still want cops to treat blacks with dignity.
But we are not talking about BLM as an organization we are talking about the idea of treating black people with the dignity we would extend to all people. To my knowledge the BLM organization has not in any way claimed ownership of the message. The message Black Lives Matter is in the public domain.
Yet because of the activity of the organization the message and the organization have become bound together in most peoples minds.
I would suggest that most people see "Black Lives Matter" as a statement. The people most likely to link the message and the organization are those most opposed to the message. I rarely see the organization come up in general public discussion, but often see it come up from right leaning commentators.
The rabid backlash against the "All Lives Matter" slogan puts the lie to your revisionist history. BLM may have been started with the ideal of "treating black people with the dignity we would extend to all people" but just like the TEA Party a decade earlier, the movement got hijacked by partisans who quickly rejected that limited premise.
You would need to be quite the fool to think all lives matter is a contextless 'everyone's lives matter.'
That's why the backlash about it came from well beyond BLM. People know a 'fuck you' when they see it.
Well Fuck You then,
Your ability to read the minds of your political opponents is remarkable. Oh wait, maybe not. Maybe you're just projecting your own motivations onto them.
"All Lives Matter" was nothing more than an attempt to put the conversation back on the original premise - police reform.
It was not a police reform slogan, it was explicitly anti BLM. Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.
It would have been Ok for Ron Goldman or Nicole Brown to kill OJ instead of getting bludgeoned themselves.
Just curious about what is the alternate viewpoint to Black Lives Matter?
Every life matters.
Well, "Every Life Matters" is only true when we accept that Black Lives Matter is that correct?
If "Every Life Matters" Black Lives Matter is redundant.
So, there is nothing wrong with saying "Black Lives Matter" as it is a subset of an accepted idea.
All Black Lives Matter except for the 1/2 million aborted every year, some 25-30 million since Roe v Wade, throw in how many kids they would have had, Amurica would have 60-70 Million more Black Peoples, and I’m the race-ist?? maybe abortion’s a good thing after all, “Choice” and all that
Frank
"I think that's correct: A school is entitled to decide what messages it wants to spread—whether about science, history, morality, or anything else—without having to spread contrary messages." So a tax-supported school is entitled to spread messages contrary to the ethos of the community members who live in its taxing jurisdiction, regardless of the objections of community members who disapprove. The only recourse available to objectors is to win school board elections or to move to another jurisdiction. Surely it would be more "equitable" for the schools to devote their efforts to teaching language, mathematics, history, and other knowledge of general utility and to refrain from advocating for the social cause *du jour*.
Correct. That's how one gets the government to do things one likes in a democracy.
So if black people didn't like sitting on the back of the bus, they should have moved somewhere else, or taken over the city council, right?
Yes, you don't need to vote your way into having rights. But what rights were violated here?
Equal protection under the law.
I think this is a much more difficult issue than EV makes it. Black Lives Matter posters? Does this mean that school endorses the actions of the Black Lives Matter chapter in Sacramento? Does it mean that the school will treat students who dissent from Black Lives Matter sloganeering in a less favorable manner when grading their essays?
Education is supposed to be provided by government to EVERYONE. And attending school is even made to be mandatory. In such a context, using the opportunity to push a narrow political agenda is problematic. Not necessarily from a narrow First Amendment perspective, which is Eugene Volokh's specialty. But from the perspective that it is the People and not government officials in their role as government officials who should be deciding what ideas society embraces.
Shouldn't school be politically neutral? Should a political dissenter really be required to either choose between their child being indoctrinated with ideas they don't agree with or sending their kids to private school?
I am not yet prepared to say that the Black Lives Matter poster is unconstitutional. But I do believe it is constitutionally problematic. Government officials really have no business trying to tell citizens what to think, except in their private capacity as politicians rather than their administrative capacity running the government.
Again, the question comes up is the statement "Black Lives Matter" controversial? I think back to Mark Twain's classic Huckleberry Finn, when Huck tells Tom Sawyer's aunt that the steam engine blew up on the riverboat he was riding. The aunt asked if anyone was hurt and Huck says that a black man and a dog were killed. To which the aunt replies that it was good because sometimes people get killed. Is that the way some people are thinking here?
Possibly you?
Moderation4ever:
What is controversial is the implication that it has to be said at all. The vast majority of people already agree that black lives, like all human life, matters. Laws that protect the lives of whites also protect the lives of blacks. There is an overwhelming political consensus that failure to equally protect black lives under the law is both unconstitutional and wrong.
The Black Lives Matter movement was controversial because it was trying to paint all of law enforcement with a broad brush, as if Derek Chauvin was typical rather than an outlier.
I have long thought that there is not enough accountability for police in certain circumstances. But I believe the massive over-generalization regarding the state of policing in America made by the Black Lives Matter movement was factually wrong.
Maybe I am wrong about it. Let’s debate it if you want. But let’s not have school officials telling precisely WHAT conclusion kids should draw. Instead, teach them the tools to make up their own mind.
How is that controversial? Do you ever read the comments on this very blog? On this very post? On this very thread?
I always felt bad for the dog.
No. That doesn't even make sense; it's impossible to be neutral. Democracy good; communist dictatorship bad. Patriotism good; treason bad. Equal protection good; segregation bad. Education good; ignorance bad. Decent god fearing Americans good; Yankees fans bad.
I think neutrality makes perfect sense. I don't think we need to tell kids WHAT to think. Just present the facts from multiple perspectives and encourage students to use their critical thinking skills to form their own perspective.
Except about the Yankees, of course. They really are bad.
So you want to present the pro-slavery perspective to students and let them decide?
I’ll give you three serious objections to that plan.
1. If there were an infinite amount of time, maybe. But we have to prioritize the curriculum, and teaching all the possible perspectives on each topic wouldn’t be a good use of school resources.
2. You’re essentially (and strangely, for a conservative) arguing for moral relativism. There are perspectives from which murder is morally justified, like plundering a neighbor’s resources. But morality itself is something which humans have learned a lot about that’s worthy of being taught.
3. The United States is what you might call a “fiat nation” — the success of its political system depends solely on the respect that its citizens have for it. Educating kids about the specific values that underpin the American approach is critical for our own survival, and important part of that is for role models — like teachers — to demonstrate those values and their own belief in them. There’s no ideologically neutral way of doing that.
Wait. Yankees fans bad? Red Sox fans are atrocious.
So you would be OK with "White Lives Matter" posters in school?
Why do so many need for BLM to be a unified national movement or to include the word ‘only?’
Or to pretend All Lives Matter means anything other than fuck BLM.
You work so hard to create a world that is more partisan than it is.
Am I the only one who thinks Floyd George was a worthless piece of shit drug addict, should have been executed for beating his girlfriend, at the least thrown into prison for whatever the sentence is for passing counterfeit bills, I wouldn’t just have not convicted Derek Chauvin, would have given him a fucking medal and appointed him Director of the FBI, 50 years ago some (redacted) tried that shit in Minn-a-soda they’d find him in a shallow grave outside of Fargo.
Frank (and Rodney Lucifer King/Michael Brown were just as bad)
No, you are not the only semi-literate half-wit racist in the U.S.
I kind of wonder if this guy is even for real. Maybe it is Kirkland, trying to prove that racists don't get censored on this blog while Kirkland sometimes does get censored when his obnoxiousness and name-calling go too far.
Man with Unattractive Penis is just desperate for attention. Notice how he changes up his schtick whenever his previous one gets too old and boring to generate the level of response he craves. He and Nige have a mutually beneficial romance built on giving each other amazing attention, which is sweet.
It does seem a little obvious. And some people are falling for it.
Stuff like this suggests that the good Reverend may have a point.
This was a pretty straightforward ruling. And the constitutional principle involved has mostly favored conservative positions and programs over the years. One could hardly imagine conservatives arguing that, for example, school abstinence programs are constitutionally required to also promote the benefits of free love, school anti-drug programs are also required to promote the thrills of drug use, and all the many advocacy programs conservatives have pushed on schools over the years are required to also promote the opposite view.
What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. And the goose has been helping herself to plenty of sauce on this one.
I wasn't aware that school abstinence programs or "say no to drugs" targeted one race over another in violation of the 14th amendment.
But if you are really, really racist, I guess you could see it that way.
Let me put it this way. Saying “Black lives matter” may be an affront to white people as you say. But it’s no more a racist statement then sitting in the front of the bus, also an affront to white people (at least in the 1960s and 70s), is a racist act. Just because you feel affronted by something someone else is saying or doing doesn’t mean that the other person is actually oppressing you.
Does giving Christmas off affront Jews? It may. Jews may feel affronted by government recognizing a specifically Christian holiday, one that, as you say, “targets” Christians. But that doesn’t make it an anti-Jewish act in terms of constitutional analysis, nor a violation of the Establishment or Equal Protection clauses.
This doesn’t strike me as particularly different. Making Juneteenth a government holiday may or may not be good policy, but a holiday that “targets” black people is no violation of Equal Protection. And displaying a black-specific poster strikes me as no different for constitutional purposes than recognizing a black-specific holiday.
Hopefully the plaintiffs appeal the decision.
How would the defendants feel, if the school they were sending their children to had posters that said "abortion is murder", "guns make this country great", "MAGA", "white pride"?
Or simply "White Lives Matter"??
The defendant is the school district. If another school district (or new school board members from this district) wants to put up your example signs, the Constitution allows them to do so.
If a school district put up "White Lives Matter" signs, I am confident, that the Governor, if not the President, would send in the National Guard.
They would take a lot of flak, but there would be no legal basis to send in the Guard.
BLM Co-Founder Patrisse Cullors: "We are Marxists, We are Ideological"
Youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgEUbSzOTZ8
Interviewer:
Some people [are] concerned that there’s a lack of perhaps ideological direction in Black Lives Matter that would allow it to be, to fizzle out... how do you respond to that particular critique?
Patrisse Cullors, BLM Co-Founder:
The first thing, I think, is that we actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers. We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think that what we really tried to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk.
Full transcript of the interview here:
A Short History of Black Lives Matter: co-founder Patrisse Cullors discusses the history of BLM, its politics, goals and future.
July 23, 2015
https://therealnews.com/stories/pcullors0722blacklives