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Court Refuses to Block Indiana Law That Bans "Instruction … on Human Sexuality" to Public K-to-3rd Students
From Smiley v. Jenner, decided by Judge James Patrick Hanlon (S.D. Ind.) on July 28, but just posted on Westlaw:
A new Indiana law prohibits public schools and their employees from providing instruction to students in prekindergarten through grade 3 on human sexuality. Kayla Smiley—a teacher who works for the Indianapolis Public Schools—alleges that the new law violates the United States Constitution because it (1) infringes on her right to free speech and (2) is so vague that she does not know what speech and actions may violate the law. She therefore asks the Court to enter a preliminary injunction preventing enforcement of the new law….
Under HEA 1608, "[a] school, an employee or staff member of a school, or a third party vendor used by a school to provide instruction may not provide any instruction to a student in prekindergarten through grade 3 on human sexuality." But "[n]othing" in HEA 1608 "may be construed to prevent a school employee or a school staff member from responding to a question from a student regarding" human sexuality.
Kayla Smiley is a teacher who will be subject to HEA 1608 when she begins teaching an Indianapolis Public School class of first through third graders on July 31, 2023. She brought this action against the Indiana Secretary of Education, Dr. Katie Jenner, as head of the department overseeing teacher licensing. Ms. Smiley is concerned that she may unwittingly violate HEA 1608, thereby jeopardizing her teaching license, because she has "no idea what is encompassed within the term 'human sexuality,'" and does "not understand what is meant by the statute's term 'instruction.'" For example, she does not know if having books in her classroom library that "touch on LGBTQ themes" and "discuss and represent different family relationships and structures" violates HEA 1608. She contends that she would also "have to censor" herself by (1) not carrying her water bottle with its "message about tolerance of persons who are LGBTQ," (2) "remov[ing] the LGBTQ-supportive bumper stickers" that will be on her car, and (3) refraining from talking with students about "using the word 'gay' pejoratively.'"
The court rejected the request for a preliminary injunction, concluding that Smiley was unlikely to succeed on the merits:
"If a public employee speaks 'pursuant to [her] official duties,'" that speech is, for constitutional purposes, "the government's own speech." In that situation, the First Amendment does "not shield the individual from an employer's control and discipline." …
[Seventh Circuit precedents] show that speech within the scope of a teacher's job duties isn't limited to speech that presents "official curriculum." … "[T]he Constitution does not entitle teachers to present personal views to captive audiences against the instructions of elected officials."
This principle applies with equal force to speech outside of the classroom. As the Supreme Court has explained, the "'critical question … is whether the speech at issue is itself ordinarily within the scope of an employee's duties.'" That's especially important here, in the elementary-education context, where much of what an elementary teacher says to students during a typical school day is spontaneous …, in response to questions …, or otherwise outside of a formal lesson plan. Instead of being outside an elementary teacher's official duties, those things are central to the job. And the students are not any less of a captive audience when having an informal conversation with their teacher in a hallway or choosing which of the teacher's books to look at during unstructured time.
Indeed, Ms. Smiley wants to use classroom-library books, water bottle messages, and car bumper stickers to "create teachable moments" for her students. She "carries her water bottle to instruct those who observe it on tolerance of persons who are LGBTQ." She puts bumper stickers on her car to similarly "express … tolerance." And she has chosen the books in her library to ensure that students have "a whole, full-circle world view where they could be open-minded of other cultures" and "learn about the history of some … hot topic" issues. In short, according to Ms. Smiley, "everything sparks conversation" and "it is always used as a teachable moment." Such interactions, even when spontaneous and not part of official curriculum, are within the scope of Ms. Smiley's duties and responsibilities as an elementary school teacher and therefore not protected by the First Amendment. Garcetti v. Ceballos (2006) ("Restricting speech that owes its existence to a public employee's professional responsibilities does not infringe any liberties the employee might have enjoyed as a private citizen.")….
The Supreme Court's Kennedy opinion, which Ms. Smiley relies on, does not support Ms. Smiley's position. There, the Court held that a high school football coach spoke as a private citizen when he prayed on the field after a few games. That was because the prayers were not in the scope of his coaching duties, were at a time when coaches were "free to engage in all manner of private speech," and were "when students were engaged in other activities." As the Court observed, "what matters is whether Mr. Kennedy offered his prayers while acting within the scope of his duties as a coach. And taken together, both the substance of Mr. Kennedy's speech and the circumstances surrounding it point to the conclusion that he did not."
Here, by contrast, most if not all of the expression that Ms. Smiley fears could violate HEA 1608 is aimed at "teachable moment[s]" to impart specific lessons to elementary students. There's therefore no indication that Ms. Smiley would be "stepp[ing] outside" her role as a teacher "to speak as a citizen." On the contrary, the situations that Ms. Smiley describes seem to be squarely within her job as an elementary school teacher. Garcetti ("When he went to work and performed the tasks he was paid to perform, Ceballos acted as a government employee."). Indeed, Ms. Smiley cites no authority establishing that an elementary school teacher has the right to speak in her capacity as a private citizen when expressing an educational message to her students.
At the least, even if some of the expression that Ms. Smiley is worried about—perhaps the LGBTQ-supportive bumper stickers on her car—is protected by the First Amendment, Ms. Smiley is nonetheless unlikely to be able to show that HEA 1608 is unconstitutional on its face…. "Facial invalidation for technical overbreadth is strong medicine, and is inappropriately employed unless the statute substantially criminalizes or suppresses otherwise protected speech vis-à-vis its plainly legitimate sweep." … In short, Ms. Smiley asks for an injunction that would "throw out too much of the good based on a speculative shot at the bad." "That is not the stuff of overbreadth—as-applied challenges can take it from here." { Because Ms. Smiley brings only a facial challenge, the Court does not address her likelihood of success on any as-applied challenge.}
To be clear, the Court does not suggest that Ms. Smiley forfeited her First Amendment rights when she became a public school teacher…. But here, HEA 1608's prohibition of "instruction … on human sexuality" affects only expression to elementary students—rather than to the public—which the First Amendment does not protect when it's "against the instructions of elected officials." …
[As to vagueness,] "[A] statute is only unconstitutionally vague if it fails to define the offense with sufficient definiteness that ordinary people can understand what conduct is prohibited and it fails to establish standards to permit enforcement in a nonarbitrary, nondiscriminatory manner." In short, due process "does not demand perfect clarity and precise guidance."
Because Ms. Smiley has not shown some likelihood of success on her First Amendment claim, her facial vagueness challenge is "limited" and "disfavored." HEA 1608 is therefore unconstitutional on its face only if it "has no discernable core" of understandable meaning and "lacks any ascertainable standard."
Here, "instruction … on human sexuality" is not so vague that it lacks a core of understandable meaning. Those terms are no vaguer than "acquires," "receives," or "transfers," all of which the Seventh Circuit has held to be understandable. And they are certainly more definite than "reasonable," which also "has enough of a core to allow its use in situations where rights to speak are at issue." Like each of those terms, "instruction" and "human sexuality" are terms that people "use and understand in normal life." So Ms. Smiley has not been given "no guidepost" from which to "divine what sort of conduct is prohibited." …
Ms. Smiley worries that her classroom-library books, water bottle messages, car bumper stickers, and passing conversations with students may unwittingly violate HEA 1608. But even if there are questions about whether these actions and expressions come within HEA 1608's scope, they do not undermine or remove HEA 1608's understandable core…. "The enforcement of the Statute will inevitably present many uncertainties at the margins, but the resolution of those 'edge questions' arising from the enforcement of a state law is a principal role of the state's courts." …
Nor does Ms. Smiley argue that she could not bring an as-applied challenge if the Department of Education were to initiate proceedings to suspend or revoke her teaching license…. "When a statute is accompanied by a system that can flesh out details, the due process clause permits those details to be left to that system." … That is the appropriate way to raise constitutional concerns about the periphery of a statute's application. So while "an as-applied challenge to [HEA 1608] may have a different outcome, this challenge to the Statute fails because it is a facial challenge to a statute with a discernable core."
My quick reaction: As I've written before, courts have generally held that teachers have no First Amendment right to choose what and how to teach in public K-12 schools. (Cases tend otherwise as to public colleges and universities, but those decisions stress the special treatment that courts give to higher education.) The government may, if it wants to, give considerable flexibility to teachers. But it can also insist that decisions about teaching be made not by such line public employees but instead by higher-level officials—principals, school boards, legislatures, or others, as each state decides.
This might not extend to all interactions between teachers and students, especially outside class; sometimes teachers, even in lower grades, may be speaking just on their own behalf and not on behalf of the school. But a law that's limited to "instruction" does strike me as constitutional. And the void-for-vagueness doctrine is unlikely to change things; when the government tells its employees what to say as part of their jobs, it may permissibly use rules—e.g., "don't be rude," "be professional," "answer questions well"—that would be too vague for it to impose on the public at large, on pain of criminal or civil liability.
Melinda Rebecca Holmes and James A. Barta represent the state. Smiley has appealed.
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A more perceptive scholar might have noticed that the court blithely demonstrates that the law is demonstrably and intentionally vague, by acknowledging that creating "teaching moments" over the value of inclusion does fall within the scope of what the state may proscribe in the classroom - even though that wouldn't seem to have anything to do with "human sexuality," as such.
No, what was actually demonstrated was that she wasn't genuinely concerned about the law being vague, but was actually specifically intent on doing precisely what it prohibited.
It's perhaps good for you to acknowledge this, Brett. Because previously, you've defended these laws based on the precise language used - i.e., this isn't "Don't say gay," it's "don't instruct on human sexuality." But with this comment, you're specifically affirming that you have always known that these laws are deceitfully using specific language (i.e., "human sexuality") with the intention of covering a broad range of "instruction" (e.g., advocating for tolerance through water bottles and bumper stickers) that no one, reading the statute itself, would have assumed that they meant.
At the risk of putting words into Brett's mouth, different law, different wording and different legislative intent.
And to save time: True, false, false.
She literally admitted in court that the reason she picks those books, carries that particular water bottle, and so forth, is to create occasions for teaching concerning sexual matters. She's not "unwittingly" doing what this law prohibits, she's deliberately setting out to do exactly what it prohibits.
So her claims of "vagueness" are pretextual.
And, as the court points out, the state legislature is entitled to prohibit what it is prohibiting here.
In what sense is someone providing instruction on "human sexuality" when the lesson in question is, "Be nice to other people, even if they're LGBT"?
In the sense that you don't leave it at, "Be nice to other people", trivially.
Not in your fevered imagination, where kindergarten teachers supposedly tell their boys that they should consider chopping their dicks off.
More realistically, teachers in these grades are just trying to teach their kids about diversity and kindness towards others. Telling your first graders not to call each other "gay" or "fags" in the pejorative sense, and explaining why, seems like it ought to fall short of teaching about "human sexuality," right? Why do you think K-3 students shouldn't be taught otherwise?
What you're talking about is not in fact what the law prohibits. Your increasingly strained interpretations in order to stay outraged and your inability to credit good faith on the part of anyone who opposes you is starting to say a lot more about you than it does about the laws you are so outraged over.
How am I "straining" any interpretation? The teacher sued because she feared she would be prevented from doing exactly what I have described. The court's response was to say that the state could validly restrict her ability to instruct students in the way that I have described, under the First Amendment. In so doing, they essentially conceded that prohibiting instruction on "human sexuality," under the statute, potentially encompasses the kinds of anodyne instruction on "tolerance" that the teacher cited, and that I am reiterating here.
It's ironic that, for decades, psychology disowned Freud's notion of Penis Envy as laughable.
Yet here we are with confirmation surgeries.
Which, btw, I have no problem with. Just noting the irony.
I'm not getting what your point here is.
I objected to characterizing Florida's law as "don't say gay", because it literally didn't prohibit saying "gay". It prohibited, as this law does, teaching young children concerning sex. “classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur.", read the Florida statute.
The Arkansas law reads, "A school, an employee or staff member of a school, or a third party vendor used by a school to provide instruction may not provide any instruction to a student in prekindergarten through grade 3 on human sexuality."
If the teacher complaining here has no plans to provide such instruction, she's in the clear. But it seems she does have such plans, she's going out of her way, by her own testimony, to create occasions for the topics to come up.
I’m not getting what your point here is.
It would help if you equivocated less.
This teacher sued because she feared that the law, as drafted, was so vague and overbroad that it would encompass her teaching her students about tolerance for LGBT people. This did not require conceding that such instruction is actually about "human sexuality"; this is precisely the question at the center of her claim. She just understood, as you do, that the statutory terms are designed to reach instruction far broader than the literal terms can be reasonably taken to mean.
And the court agreed: in saying that the First Amendment did not bar the state from her teaching kids to be tolerant of LGBT people, it asserted that the statutory term "human sexuality" was intended to cover such instruction. But this apparently means that the term is so vague and overbroad that it's impossible to tell what is covered by it, with any precision.
The teacher sued because she wanted the law overturned, entirely, in all applications. Not just in regards to what bumper stickers she could have on her car, but ALL applications, including ones even NAMBLA might think reasonable. That's what finding it facially unconstitutional does.
Naturally, even if she wanted to conduct training on how to hold a proper orgy, or set up a sex dungeon, she's not going to SAY that. That's a losing legal strategy. But she's not looking for the law to be clarified. She's looking to totally get rid of it.
The teacher sued because she wanted the law overturned, entirely, in all applications.
Yes - and the legislature would then be more than welcome to amend the statute so that it clearly didn't apply to the kinds of speech she wanted to engage in. That's how facial challenges work.
But, ah - I see you'd rather insinuate that she really wants to teach kindergarteners about same-sex orgies and how they're so great. Gotcha.
Is it?
You read "LGBTQ" as "human sexuality" because the right has made a concerted effort to brand it as such in order to frame is as unsuitable for children.
But being transgender has nothing to do with sexuality, it's about someones gender.
And sure, a same-sex relationship is fundamentally sexual, but so is an opposite-sex one. So why is a Mommy and Daddy fine but two Mommies is "human sexuality"?
Hell, the number of times I've heard alt-right folks saying that it's unfair to call Florida's law a "don't say gay" law even though it explicitly talks about sexual orientation.
Yet here you are now claiming that the even less precise term "human sexuality" really is "don't say gay"!
The terms in the law are ridiculously, and I suspect deliberately vague.
Well, how much of this stuff - gay or straight or trans - should be discussed by a teacher with 8 year old or younger children? How much of this is really part of actual education at all?
Which subjects are you taking time away from to teach this stuff instead? Math? Science? Literature/reading?
Schools full of children should not be drug into the stupid worthless culture war. It’s my sense that the left is doing most of that and the right is reacting, but I’ll admit I’m not certain.
The Berenstain Bears are replete with lessons about heterosexual families. Talking about intimate relationships in age appropriate ways is a big part of socialization - especially for kids, whose own nuclear families are their first introduction to gender roles, expressing love and compassion, and so on.
No one wants to teach K-3 kids about the mechanics of gay sex. But it's imperative for the right-wing culture warriors that it be communicated to children that LGBT people are fundamentally disordered, unusual, sexually divergent, whatever. That's why even the mention of their existence is too much for them. It's following exactly the same playbook that other regressive regimes have followed, to push LGBT people back into the closet.
Well, no, K-3 kids shouldn’t be taught that LGBT are evil sub-humans either. None of this should come up at all at that age. Zealotry related to the culture war is driving this idiotic tug-of-war.
Simply teach them that they should treat everyone with dignity. No sexual context or racial context or gender context or socioeconomic context. Every human being should be treated with dignity. And teach the golden rule in a non-religious context. “Treat others the way you would like to be treated.” It’s not that hard.
Quit using children as political weapons.
I don't understand why you think teachers want to teach K-3 kids anything different. Inclusive messages in the classroom are just intended to say - ignore all that other cultural crap about how LGBT people are evil sub-humans; they're people, too - you are, too.
The thing is that nobody outside of your "fevered imagination" is saying that all "LGBT people are evil sub-humans".
It's true that people prefer to describe them as "groomers," yes. But I think that's a distinction without a difference, don't you?
This might be a shocking revelation to you, but most evil people aren't "sub-human", they're just perfectly human people who happen to be evil.
No one is insisting that all LGBT people are "groomers". Even the most rabid folks here are only applying that label to the folks trying to push their beliefs onto minor children over the objections of the same children's parents.
Rossami must have some choice people blocked. Some of the louder folks here are in the gay means you are a pedo trying to convert faction.
Brett will cheerfully equate the existence of gay people with teaching children about orgies, if you want an example of 'just happening to be evil.'
Yes, I do try to keep the worst trolls blocked. But even before I did that, I did not make the mistake of conflating those fringe rants with mainstream views.
Well, how much of this stuff – gay or straight or trans – should be discussed by a teacher with 8 year old or younger children? How much of this is really part of actual education at all?
It seems to me that basic facts about the world (some kinds have two mommies) are exactly one of the things we need to teach young children.
Schools full of children should not be drug into the stupid worthless culture war. It’s my sense that the left is doing most of that and the right is reacting, but I’ll admit I’m not certain.
That's exactly what the right is doing. Why do you think they don't want young children to know about gay or transgender people? It's not because they think it will make the kids gay or transgender. It's because young children are forming a worldview of what is "normal" and they are trying to keep LGBTQ people outside of that orldview.
Concealing knowledge of same-sex families is entirely an attempt to teach children their ideology that LGBTQ is wrong.
Lol. The left isn’t doing it too?
Out of the hole, man. Out of the hole.
Kids shouldn’t be taught that crap at school. Especially the very young.
Show your work. What crap is being taught. What proof do you have?
Its simply not age appropriate to teach what the left wants to teach about sexual orientation for children at that age.
There are vastly more important things that children should be learning about at that age without adding in appropriate topics. Even the movies still use Pg ratings.
"It seems to me that basic facts about the world (some kinds [kids] have two mommies) are exactly one of the things we need to teach young children."
I don't think kindergarten is the appropriate time for this. Fourth or fifth grade is soon enough.
And exactly what is the teacher supposed to do when some kid mentions they have two mommies?
Because outside of pretending the student never spoke I'm not sure what they could do to avoid potentially running foul of the Indiana law.
As for "kindergarten" not being the appropriate time, why not? Is it appropriate to mention families with a mommy and daddy? What about families only with a mommy? Black families? Mixed race families? How do you decide that which families are appropriate for Kindergarten?
"And exactly what is the teacher supposed to do when some kid mentions they have two mommies?"
1) Surprise, because that's damned rare.
2) This law, expressly, doesn't apply if the student initiates the exchange.
1) Perhaps, but gay people aren't that rare, and assuredly some of the children will know gay couples.
2) Not quite, it expressly doesn't apply if the teacher is answering a student question. But teaching interactions with small children involve a lot more than a formal Q&A. What if the teacher modifies the lesson based on the student's question, does that violate the rule? What if the lesson plan naturally leads to the topic, here's an Indiana Kindergarten curriculum. Look at the social studies:
- Looking at community within the classroom and school When discussing school groups what if a student asks about groups in the town itself, is the teacher in trouble if they mention a gay pride group?
- -Looking at how we are alike and different from one another
-Recognizing and respecting differences
Well those lessons are full of veritable landmines. Is the teacher in trouble if they spend a few minutes asking the children to think of ways in which people are different? Surely you can't keep prodding until one of them thinks of gay people. Which of course means if you do keep prodding for any reason you're now worried you'll be accused of doing exactly that.
Appropriate response: "Oh, that's nice. Anyway, back to the addition questions on page 25."
The examples given were a bumper sticker referencing sexual orientation, a water bottle referencing sexual orientation, library books about sexual orientation and the teacher's desire to instruct a student not to speak about sexual orientation in a particular way. Maybe Indiana is wrong, and all of these forms of speech are valuable in the K-3rd grade setting. But there's nothing vague about it.
Nothing in the OP supports this characterization. Where are you getting your facts from?
The books "touch on LGBT themes"; the water bottle has a "message about tolerance of persons who are LGBTQ"; the bumper stickers are "LGBTQ-supportive bumper stickers"; and the teacher wishes to correct or chastise students who use the term "gay" pejoratively. Don't all of these things pretty obviously reference sexual orientation? How is the teacher supposed to admonish children for using "gay" pejoratively without explaining the most common non-pejorative meaning of "gay"?
And if anybody's being vague, isn't she the one? What's "touches on LGBT themes" mean, anyway? That could cover everything from how to dye your hair purple to the proper way to organize an orgy.
By that standard, a teacher saying a rule is "written in stone" is providing religious instruction, since they may have to explain the allusion to the Ten Commandments.
How is the teacher supposed to admonish children for using “gay” pejoratively without explaining the most common non-pejorative meaning of “gay”?
One might, indeed, say that teachers must never say "gay," right?
“You don’t actually know if they’re gay. And if they are it’s not your business. Treat them the way you want to be treated. Would you like it if someone picked something about you and attacked you for it?”
Would you like it of the very mention of your sexuality was constantly being equated to showing kids pornography or teaching them about ‘dildo parties?’ It’s just utterly, deliberately, offensive behaviour designed to push back on LGBTQ rights.
I suppose I'd like it no more than having showing kids pornography being equated to the very mention of heterosexuality, which is what you're doing here.
No he’s not, Brett.
And, you didn’t answer the question.
'which is what you’re doing here.'
Or, to be more accurate, which is what YOU somehow did here?
"Name-calling is not permitted in this class. You'll sit inside today during recess."
The obvious intent IS to chill a teacher’s speech on LGBTQAI+ topics as well as heterosexual sex. That a teacher would consider such speech their 1st Amendment right to exercise in front of K-3 children is unthinkable to many. What’s so hard to understand about that?
Well they say you're erasing and genociding them if they can't groom your children.
Its unfortunately that teachers ( a subset of teachers) are fighting for the right to discuss topics that are simply not age appropriate.
The level of reading, math , science skills in the US are woefully below other industrialied countries , yet that subgroup of teachers are fighting to teach what is age inappropriate while the basic skills are declining.
The US has some of the best education in the world, comparable to or better than other industrialized nations. You just hate us 'cause you ain't us.
Eh, we have better education than a lot of third and second world countries, but I'd hardly claim that K-12 is the best in the world.
Does she have the 1A right to show show pornographic pictures to third graders? Video of a guy fucking a cow off her phone? Is there no line anywhere?
Is the intent really to chill discussion of LGBT… topics? Are heterosexual teachers allowed to teach straight sex to the children?
And finally, why do children 3rd grade and younger need to be taught about sex, gay or straight? Why do children that young need to discuss LGBT…. topics at all?
Is any of that going on? It's telling that you need to make up stories in order to defend this policy, rather than the actual implementation happening right here?
LGBT issues are not just sex. That's the thing!
Beloved by Toni Morrison describes men having sex with cows. Gender Queer has illustrations showing two boys engaged in fellatio, and this dialog:
Not what bevis said. Also this law sweeps way wider than decisions on those books.
Your post seems less engaging the argument and more an appeal to not quite on point shocking anecdotes.
Your post seems less engaging the argument and more an appeal to not quite on point shocking anecdotes.
My post speaks precisely to the impetus for laws restricting instruction on human sexuality. People want to make sure that books such as Gender Queer are not made available to students in primary schools.
"Sexuality" and "sex" are not the same thing.
Ok, fine. Why do children 8 and younger need to be taught about sexuality?
And if they simply must, why not just leave that to their parents, who care about them a lot more than people associated with the school does.?
Debatable. But you keep arguing about one when other people bring up the other.
Because moralism about sexuality doesn’t quite play as well.
Ms. Smiley has a plausible claim of ambiguity about her car bumper stickers. Her claims about the classroom-library books, water bottle messages and passing conversations, on the other hand, are crystal clear in the law. The classroom library books and water bottle messages are, by her own admission, part of her official rather than personal speech (the whole "teachable moments" patter) and are therefore prohibited by the law. And the passing conversations are allowed (so long as the student is the one who brings the topic up). The law may be a bad policy choice but the claim that it's "vague" is just stupid. Smiley knows exactly what it prohibits. She just wants to do it anyway.
I applaud this well-reasoned opinion!
There are hints that the forcibly-taxpayer-funded spread of messages popular among often-wrong academic elitists (so-called "peer-reviewed" messages at public universities) might be reduced in the near future: this is also welcome.
I'll go out on a limb here and say that human sexuality should be taught only in a life sciences context, alongside the rest of mammalian reproduction. Its social impact, personal practices and beliefs have no place whatsoever in a public education setting.
This isn't 1950. It's not like sexuality is a forbidden topic in the culture anymore. The argument that we must rely on teachers to speak openly because parents will not was never a very strong one, even back then. Today, it is ludicrous.
It is clear that we have been far too lax in this area, and as a result we have attracted a cohort of young teachers who feel it is their duty to create "teachable moments" like this one under discussion. That teacher has zero credibility. They are not accountable for what they tell their students about sexuality. They are not financially responsible or liable for their advice. They have no clue, no relation, and in this case, not even any guidance from their employers.
How can we possibly be comfortable with such a bad arrangement? Are our children growing up to have a better, more solid understanding of sexuality? Are they stronger, or weaker? Is this rather insane approach helping or hurting?
Edit: I misread your post, I agree generally.
If students are allowed to ask questions then wear a weird shirt to induce questions. "Ms. Smiley, why are those guys playing leapfrog?"
Good. Shame that such a law would ever be needed in the first place.
I notice that Garcetti was cited six times.
The Supreme Court's Kennedy opinion, which Ms. Smiley relies on, does not support Ms. Smiley's position. There, the Court held that a high school football coach spoke as a private citizen when he prayed on the field after a few games. That was because the prayers were not in the scope of his coaching duties, were at a time when coaches were "free to engage in all manner of private speech," and were "when students were engaged in other activities."
Clearly, after her last class of the day, she needs to walk out into the playground and start speaking about the important of LGBTQ acceptance, and if the majority of her class feels pressured to follow and participate that's a totally allowable activity.
"If I can't extol the virtues of dildo parties with my 1st graders what does freedom even mean?"
Along with discussion concerning the best type of lube to use.
i think her counsel erred in not also citing to the indiana constitution, which has a broader free speech right than the first amendment. might have lost anyway.
I'd say that the government erred in not being specific about the content of the books she was selecting for her students, (What DOES "touching on LBTGQ themes" mean, really?) were it not that this was a hearing for a preliminary injunction, not on the merits. She's still going to get a hearing on the merits, remember. She just doesn't win in advance.
The obvious answer is they would if it was helpful. But they did not.
The quote about "touch on LGBT themes" seems to be from Smiley's side, from the context in the order. I gather that being specific would not have helped her cause....
To be non-snarky: If the quote was from an answer to a question, the details might not have been responsive to the question. If it was from a court filing, then specifying the content risks an order or ruling that is specific to that content and thus either over- or under-inclusive of adjacent content. Or maybe the docketed item did specify, and the court only quoted a high-level description from that item.
One would need to read docket item 20-1 to hazard a better guess about why the court used that non-specific quote.
The conflation of acknolwedging the existence of anyone who isn't straight with explicit sexual imagery and instruction is quite the ugliest, most spectacularly dishonest bit of fear-and-hate-mongering, all the worse because it's the gay scare stuff dusted off for the new millennium.
I agree that it's spectacularly dishonest, so maybe you could just stop?
Speaking of spectacular dishonesty. Have you just given up entirely? Has your spirit been completely broken?
Most school based sex ed is propaganda designed to undermine parental authority and introduce children as young as possible to “novel” sexual practices in order to normalize them. Outside of biology class, what is the justification for Adults discussing “human sexuality” in school?
Some parents (not nearly enough) are very exercised today about what children are taught in today’s public schools but radicals have had control of the curriculum for decades.
Poor Ms. Smiley.... " Why can't I teach little kids about sex?!"
Into the wood chipper with you.